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#20 (204) � 25.IV.-1.V,2012 weli � gamodis yovel oTxSabaTs � <strong>www</strong>.<strong>saertogazeti</strong>.<strong>ge</strong>; E-mail: <strong>saertogazeti</strong>@yahoo.com � fasi 1 lari<br />

politikuri partia `qarTuli<br />

ocneba _ demokratiuli<br />

saqarTvelos~ deklaracia<br />

daiWers Tu ara<br />

vano merabiSvili<br />

mixeil saakaSvils?<br />

dimitri<br />

lorTqifaniZe:<br />

qveyanaSi iseTi<br />

ubedureba<br />

trialebs, ar<br />

SeiZleba xalxi<br />

arCevnebis<br />

molodiniT<br />

SeviqcioT...<br />

manana kobaxiZe:<br />

mniSvnelovania,<br />

ara marto partiis<br />

dafuZneba, aramed<br />

koaliciis erToba,<br />

romelic erTi lideris<br />

garSemo Sedga<br />

informacia pirvelwyarodan _<br />

sergo Sambas vaJi<br />

da arZinbas<br />

qaliSvili _<br />

sveta marTla<br />

arian gareulni<br />

aleqsandre anqvabze<br />

ganxorcielebul<br />

teraqtebSi?<br />

ratom moikla Tavi teraqtebis orma monawilem?<br />

zaza SaTiriSvili:<br />

aqamde konstitucia<br />

mxolod saakaSvilisTvis<br />

icvleboda. im drosac<br />

moveswariT, rodesac<br />

saakaSvili konstitucias<br />

ivaniSvilisTvis cvlis<br />

nino fanqvelaSvili:<br />

`ratom iRebdnen<br />

Cemi ubeduri<br />

qmris wamebas,<br />

gama<strong>ge</strong>bineT,<br />

an axla raSi<br />

dasWirdaT am<br />

saSinelebebis<br />

gaxseneba?~

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saerTo gazeTi #20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

nodar wuleiskiri _ 80 jemal injia _ 75<br />

80 wlisa Sesrulda gamoCenili<br />

qarTveli mwerali da eriskaci nodar<br />

wuleiskiri. amasTan dakavSirebiT<br />

saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSirma<br />

iubilars misalmeba gaugzavna. misalmebaSi<br />

naTqvamia:<br />

batono nodar!<br />

Cveno sayvarelo da saamayo kolegav!<br />

saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSiri,<br />

Tqveni megobari qarTveli mwerlebi<br />

Rrma mowiwebis grZnobiT mo<strong>ge</strong>salmebian<br />

Tanamedrove qarTuli mwerlobis<br />

erT-erT umSveniereswarmomad<strong>ge</strong>nelsa<br />

da mecixovnes<br />

da gilocaven Rirs-<br />

SesaniSnav TariRs<br />

Tqvens cxovrebaSi _<br />

dabadebis 80 wlis-<br />

Tavs.<br />

Tqveni samwerlo<br />

debiuti 1959 wels<br />

Sedga, rodesac Jurnal<br />

`ciskarSi~ gamoaqveyneTmoTxrobebi:<br />

`mepapirose mose~,<br />

`eqvTimes xe~,<br />

`luka~... am debiutma<br />

saqarTvelos kidev<br />

erTi uniWieresi<br />

Semoqmedis dabadeba amcno, mas Semdeg<br />

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novelebi, romanebi, mxatvruli narkvevebi,<br />

publicisturi statiebi, kinoscenarebi,<br />

piesebi sistematurad<br />

qveyndeba Cvens saliteraturo periodikaSi,<br />

gamodis calke wignebad, idgmeba<br />

Teatrebis scenaze...<br />

Tanamedrove qarTuli prozis saganZurSi<br />

sruliad damsaxurebulad<br />

daimkvidra sapatio adgili Tqvenma<br />

iseTma romanebma, rogorica `TuTar-<br />

Cela~, `TeTri mTa~, `zesnaxesa da<br />

buZgurias siyvarulis ambavi~, `Rvawli<br />

da wameba abosi da ioanesi~. daimkvidra<br />

imitom, rom Tqveni TiToeuli<br />

nawarmoebi marTlac rom erovnuli<br />

suliskveTebiTaa gamsWvaluli,<br />

Tqveni mwerluri niWiereba, tipebisa<br />

da saxeebis Zerwvis didi unari, damajerebloba,didi<br />

adamianuri simarTle,<br />

adamianis sulis idumal xveulebSi<br />

wvdomis unari am romanebs ganumeorebel<br />

xiblsa da andamats<br />

sZens...<br />

Tqveni piesebi warmatebiT daidga<br />

qarTuli Teatrebis scenaze, Tqveni<br />

kinoscenarebis mixedviT Seiqmna uaRresad<br />

mniSvnelovani mxatvruli<br />

filmebi: `rac ginaxavs, veRar naxav~,<br />

`sahaero xidi~, `monanieba~.<br />

Tqveni publicistika, Tqveni<br />

mxatvruli narkvevebi mudam mebrZoli<br />

paTosiTa da SemarTebiT gamoir-<br />

Ceva.<br />

marTlac rom did da nayofier<br />

sazogadoebriv saqmianobas eweviT.<br />

sxvadasxva dros muSaobdiT saqarTvelos<br />

televiziis sabavSvo gadacema-<br />

Ta ufros redaqtorad, Jurnal `dilas~<br />

redaqtoris moadgiled, Jurnal<br />

`ciskris~ ganyofilebis gam<strong>ge</strong>d,<br />

Jurnal `mnaTobis~ prozisa da kritikisganyofilebebis<br />

redaqtorad, saqarTveloskulturis<br />

ministrad, ilia<br />

WavWavaZis saxelobis<br />

erovnuli biblioTekis<br />

direqtorad da<br />

yvelgan saqarTvelos<br />

sasicocxlo interesebs<br />

icavdiT, rogorc<br />

misi erTguli<br />

da qeduxreli guSagi.<br />

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STambeWdavi<br />

gamodga _ didi mixeil<br />

javaxiSvilis<br />

mSobliur sofels _<br />

weraqvs miaSureT da<br />

kidev erT did sajildao qvas SeeWideT<br />

– qarTveli bavSvebis sulier<br />

formirebas.<br />

qarTul enas, qarTul sityvas<br />

Tqveni saxiT uebari damcveli hyavs.<br />

vis-vis da Tqven kargad mo<strong>ge</strong>xsenebaT,<br />

rom qarTuli ena qarTvel kacsa<br />

hgavs _ rac Tavi gvaxsovs, xmalamo-<br />

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labirinTebidan da Cvenamde moaqvs<br />

arnaxuli samoTxisebri surneli.<br />

mweralTa kavSiris uxuces wevrebs<br />

kargad axsovT Tqveni gamosvla<br />

saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSirSi konstituciis<br />

proeqtis ganxilvisas<br />

1978 wlis 11 aprils. es gamosvla<br />

cotne dadianis sulieri STamomavlis<br />

gamosvla iyo, romelmac sulierad<br />

SegvZra da agvaforiaqa.<br />

batono nodar!<br />

kidev erTxel gulmxurvaled gilocavT<br />

saiubileo TariRs Cvens sayvarel<br />

kolegas, Rvawlmosil, amagdar<br />

Semoqmeds, dRegrZelobasa da<br />

mzegrZelobas gisurvebT mSobeli<br />

qveynis sadideblad.<br />

saqarTvelos<br />

mweralTa kavSiri<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis<br />

pressamdivnos gancxadeba<br />

gasul kviras qarTulma presam gaavrcela informacia, TiTqos,<br />

ekaterina xvedeliZem socialur qsel „feisbuqSi“ gamoaqveyna<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis mier dafinansebuli proeqtebis sia.<br />

kidev erTxel vacxadebT, rom biZina ivaniSvilis meuRles,<br />

ekaterina xvedeliZes ar gaaCnia sakuTari gverdi socialur<br />

qselSi. feisbuqSi arsebuli profilebi yalbia da gaxsnilia<br />

rogorc mis mxardamWerTa, ise mowinaaRmde<strong>ge</strong>Ta mier. swored<br />

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pirTa interesebs da atarebs aSkarad gamoxatul provokaciul<br />

xasiaTs.<br />

rogorc cnobilia, socialuri qselis popularizaciasTan<br />

erTad izrdeba yalbi profilebis raodenoba. amitom, vTxovT<br />

mediis warmomad<strong>ge</strong>nlebs, socialur qselSi gamoqveynebuli nebismieri<br />

informacia gadaamowmoT biZina ivaniSvilis pressamdivnosTan.<br />

<strong>`saerTo</strong> <strong>gazeTi~</strong><br />

mTavari redaqtori: vaxtang xarCilava<br />

gamomcemeli: Sps sagamomcemlo centri <strong>`saerTo</strong> sityva~<br />

mis: Tbilisi, aRmaSeneblis 164;<br />

tel.: 2 14 40 19; 2 34 28 97<br />

75 wlisa Sesrulda TvalsaCino qarTveli<br />

poeti da sazogado moRvawe jemal injia.<br />

amasTan dakavSirebiT saqarTvelos mweralTa<br />

kavSirma iubilars misalmeba gaugzavna.<br />

misalmebaSi naTqvamia:<br />

Cveno Zvirfaso jemal!<br />

saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSiri, Tqveni<br />

megobari qarTveli mwerlebi didi siyvaruliT<br />

mo<strong>ge</strong>salmebian Tanamedrove qarTuli<br />

mwerlobis erT-erT uRirseules warmomad<strong>ge</strong>nels<br />

da gilocaven dabadebis 75 wlis-<br />

Tavs.<br />

TiTqmis eqvsi aTeuli<br />

welia, rac Tqveni mravalferovani<br />

da mravalwaxnagovani<br />

poezia, mudmivi<br />

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tvifariT rom aris aRbeWdili,<br />

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mkiTxvelis sulsa da<br />

gonebas da, amave dros,<br />

samSoblosa da mSobeli<br />

xalxis msaxurebis erT<br />

naTel magaliTsac warmoad<strong>ge</strong>ns.<br />

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da myisve miiqcia<br />

sayovelTao yuradReba.<br />

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dRiuri~, `silueti~, `lirika~,<br />

`TavTavebi~ `namusis qudi~, `asi leqsi siyvarulze~,<br />

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gvirgvini~, `asi leqsi~, rCeuli oTxtomeulis<br />

pirveli da meore tomebi da sxva<br />

gamoirCeva versifikaciuli mravalferovnebiT,<br />

originaluri xilvebiT, silaRiTa da<br />

melodiurobiT. SeiZleba Tamamad iTqvas,<br />

rom Tqven, erT-erTma pirvelma SeqmeniT<br />

qarTul sinamdvileSi klasikuri modeli<br />

iseTi urTulesi poeturi formisa, rogoricaa<br />

sonetebis gvirgvini. Tqveni leqsebis<br />

warmatebis saidumlo isicaa, rom maTi lirikuli<br />

gmiri xalxis wiaRidan amozrdili<br />

trubaduria misi ubeduri qveynisa, romelsac<br />

yvelas gaskvirad dRemde SemorCenia gawiTlebis<br />

unari, dRemde swams xaris rqebze<br />

danTebuli sanTlis madlisa da dauZinebeli<br />

mteria adamianis saxedakarguli matadorebisa,<br />

romlebic mis saTayvanebel samSoblos<br />

zustad SublSi umizneben daSnas... kargad<br />

moexseneba, rom yinwvisis taZris Crdilad<br />

ar Rirs mTeli amqveyniuri dideba, amaoebis<br />

bazarTan dgas da sakuTar tkivilebs yidis,<br />

tkivilebs, romlebic arc aravis sWirdeba<br />

da arc aravis adardebs...<br />

Tqveni poeziis saukeTeso nimuSebi Targmnilia<br />

ukrainul, inglisur, litvur, uzbekur,<br />

rusul, somxur, osur, ruminul,<br />

frangul enebze.<br />

gazeTi xelmZRvanelobs Tavisufali presis principiT.<br />

SesaZloa, avtoris pozicia ar eTanxmebodes redaqciis azrs.<br />

informaciis sizusteze pasuxism<strong>ge</strong>belia avtori. gasaCivreba<br />

SesaZlebelia masalis gamoqveynebidan erTi kviris vadaSi.<br />

Semosuli masalebi avtorebs ar ubrundeba.<br />

regist. #202375349; uak (UDC) 070.23 (479.22) s-158 �<br />

Tavadac Cinebuli mTargmneli xarT. swored<br />

Tqveni TargmanebiT gaecno qarTveli<br />

mkiTxveli a. blokis, vl. maiakovskis, m. lukoninis,<br />

n. tixonovis, s. marSakis, r. asaevis<br />

poeziis calkeul nimuSebs. gansakuTrebiT<br />

unda aRiniSnos is Rvawli, romelic<br />

dasdeT ser<strong>ge</strong>i eseninis qarTulad ametyvelebas.<br />

misi leqsebi TargmneT poetis SemoqmedebiTi<br />

Taviseburebebis sruli gaTvaliswinebiT,<br />

ganwyobilebaTa da intonaciis ostaturi<br />

dacviT, maRali saleqso kulturiT.<br />

bolo wlebSi qarTvel mkiTxvels portugaliuri<br />

poeziis klasikosis<br />

luis de kamoensis<br />

msoflio mniSvnelobis renesansuli<br />

epikuri Sedevri<br />

`luziadebi~ da sonetebi gaacaniT.<br />

oriode wlis win<br />

calke wignad gamoeciT litvel<br />

poetTa mcire anTologia<br />

`litvuri poeziis gazafxuli~...<br />

did da nayofier sazogadoebriv<br />

moRvaweobas eweviT<br />

aTleulebis ganmavlobaSi.<br />

1981 wlidan TavkacobT Cveni<br />

samwerlo organizaciis goris<br />

ganyofilebas da fasdaudebeli<br />

wvlili SegaqvT umdidresiliteraturul-SemoqmedebiTi<br />

tradiciebis mqone Sida qarTlis<br />

winsvlasa da ganviTarebaSi. sxvadasxva<br />

dros muSaobdiT goris kulturis saqalaqo<br />

ganyofilebis gam<strong>ge</strong>d, gazeT `gamarjvebis~<br />

ganyofilebis gam<strong>ge</strong>d, Sida qarTlSi saqinformis<br />

sakuTar korespondentad, goris<br />

ganaTlebis muzeumis direqtorad, gazeTebis<br />

`qarTlisa~ da `literaturuli goris~,<br />

Jurnal `qarTlis~ mTavar redaqtorad. ar-<br />

Ceuli iyaviT mweralTa kavSiris gam<strong>ge</strong>obisa<br />

da Jurnal `ganTiadis~ saredaqcio sabWos<br />

wevrad.<br />

Rvawli da ruduneba dagifasdaT. moniWebuli<br />

gaqvT galaktion tabiZisa da mweral-<br />

Ta kavSiris premiebi, dajildoebuli xarT<br />

Rirsebis ordeniT.<br />

Cveno jemal!<br />

gan<strong>ge</strong>bam bolo wlebSi araerTi gansacdeli<br />

dagatexaT Tavs. iobis moTminebiT uZlebT<br />

am tkivilebs da mSobeli qveynis gabrwyinebas<br />

elodebiT, kargad iciT, rom qar-<br />

Tveli mwerlisadmi nasroli TiToeuli<br />

tyvia Tavis droze, auqcionze, oqros fasad<br />

gaiyideba, rogorc simbolo orgulobisa,<br />

gautanlobisa, saqveyno interesebis fexqveS<br />

gaTelvisa...<br />

kidev erTxel guliTadad gilocavT saiubileo<br />

TariRs Cvens sayvarel Zmas da megobars,<br />

didxans sicocxles, janmrTelobas<br />

da did adamianur bednierebas gisurvebT.<br />

saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSiri<br />

Sexvedra ungreTis elCTan<br />

biZina ivaniSvili dRes ungreTis<br />

respublikis sagan<strong>ge</strong>bo<br />

da sruluflebian elCs, Sandor<br />

sabos Sexvda. Sandor sabosma<br />

biZina ivaniSvils politikuri<br />

partiis dafuZneba piradad<br />

miuloca da „qarTuli<br />

ocneba- demokratiuli saqarTvelos“<br />

deklaracia moiwona.<br />

ungreTis respublikis<br />

sagan<strong>ge</strong>bo da sruluflebiani<br />

elCi biZina ivaniSvilisTvis<br />

moqalaqeobis CamorTmevis sakiTxiTac<br />

dainteresda.<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis<br />

pressamdivno<br />

am niSniT aRniSnulia sareklamo masalebi.

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#20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi<br />

ra sWirs am adamians,<br />

viRacam ar unda ikiTxos?<br />

bolo dros aSkarad<br />

ver aris kargad, magram<br />

aravin interesdeba, ra<br />

Wirs da riT vuSveloT!<br />

maxaTas mTaze RvTism-<br />

Soblis saxelobis samonastro<br />

kompleqsis gaxsnaze<br />

misuli ise dabar-<br />

valeri <strong>ge</strong>lbaxianma nebayoflobiT<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis<br />

mrCevloba ikisra.<br />

jer iyo, sazRvargareTidan<br />

agzavnida da agzavnida am<br />

rCevebs dasta-dasta, magram<br />

adresats rom veraferi gaagona,<br />

gadawyvita saqarTvelo-<br />

Si Camosuliyo, iqneb axlodan<br />

mainc Sevasmino rame am<br />

dalocvils, Torem saqme cudadaao.<br />

arc aman gamoiRo Sedegi _<br />

wabarbacebuli<br />

bacda, kinaRam waiqca.<br />

xelis wamSvelebelic<br />

rom aravin gamoCnda, esaa<br />

rom magiJebs.<br />

kargad rom aris, ma-<br />

mrCeveli<br />

ivaniSvili mainc Tavis gzaze<br />

midis da <strong>ge</strong>lbaxianis Segonebebisa<br />

araferi eyureba.<br />

<strong>ge</strong>lbaxiani mainc ver isvenebs<br />

da ukapikod, uhonorarod,<br />

uyvelafrod axal-axal<br />

brZnul rCevebs ugzavnis ivaniSvils<br />

maincdamainc im gaze-<br />

Tis daxmarebiT, romelsac<br />

ivaniSvili kategoriulad ar<br />

kiTxulobs.<br />

_ Tu ginda didxans<br />

icocxlo, sakuTari WkuiT<br />

aris erTi qali _ Segzavnilebis<br />

Temaze muSaobs mxolod<br />

da mxolod.<br />

yvelaferi icis _ vin sad Seagzavnes,<br />

ratom da risTvis Seagzavnes<br />

da a.S.<br />

yvelaferi icis da yvelaferi<br />

axsovs _ aTi wlis winaT<br />

aman imas ra uTxra da iman amas<br />

ra upasuxao, rom hkiTxo, sxapasxupiT<br />

CamogiTvlis.<br />

detal-detal, misxal-misxal<br />

aqvs yvelaferi aRnusxuli<br />

Tavis jadosnur bloknotSi.<br />

Sen oRond TariRi uTxari,<br />

pirovneba dausaxele, gadaSlis<br />

bloknots da zustad <strong>ge</strong>tyvis<br />

esa da es pirovneba ama da am<br />

Sin yvela erTbaSad rom<br />

daeseviT Casakocnad da<br />

CasaproSnad, SeuZlod<br />

Tu gaxda, zurgi unda<br />

SeaqcioT, Tqve uRmerToebo?<br />

_ nasvami ar iyoo, _<br />

ificeboda misi pres-spikeri.<br />

Tu nasvami ar iyo, ma-<br />

Sin ra daetaka am deviviT<br />

kacs da ram aukankala<br />

muxlebi?<br />

nasvami gvegona da es<br />

gvqonda nu<strong>ge</strong>Sad, aman kidev<br />

sul ar gadagviwura<br />

wyali?!<br />

erTi gurulis saflavze<br />

aseTi epitafiaa:<br />

xom vambobdi: glaxaT<br />

var, glaxaT varo, ar mijerebdiT<br />

da aha...~<br />

bolos da bolos daijereT,<br />

rom glaxaTaa es<br />

dros visTan iyo da ras akeTebda.<br />

mata hari amasTan SedarebiT<br />

erTi tingica gogo iyo.<br />

es Zalian seriozuli vinmea<br />

gansakuTrebiT Segzavnilebis,<br />

jaSuSebis da<br />

adgilobrivi mniSvnelobis<br />

a<strong>ge</strong>nturuli<br />

qselis sakiTxebSi.<br />

_ sxvebis Segzavna-<br />

Semogzavnaze rom laparakob<br />

sul, Sen visi<br />

Semogzavnili xar,<br />

qalbatono? aTi Tu<br />

TxuTmeti wlis winandeli<br />

ambebi bloknot-<br />

Si rom gaqvs Camowik-<br />

kaci da mixedeT vinmem.<br />

prezidentobas ar moukvda<br />

patroni? _ mTavaria<br />

janmrTeloba!<br />

icxovre, _ ambobs<br />

erTi Cineli filosofosi.<br />

ivaniSvili Cinuri<br />

filosofiiTaa<br />

gatacebuli...<br />

marTalia, ivaniSvili<br />

da <strong>ge</strong>lbaxiani<br />

oriveni sa-<br />

Cxerlebi arian,<br />

magram maT Soris<br />

gansxvaveba mainc<br />

didia. ivaniSvils,<br />

rogorc vTqviT,<br />

Cinuri filosofia<br />

uyvars, <strong>ge</strong>lbaxians<br />

_ sxvebisTvis rCevis<br />

micema...<br />

qarTveli mata hari<br />

wikebuli? _ hkiTxa erTma.<br />

am ubralo da martiv kiTxvaze<br />

Segzavna-Semogzavnis ubadlo<br />

mklevars da specialists, jerjerobiT,<br />

pasuxi ar aqvs.<br />

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4 saerTo gazeTi #20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis politikaSi<br />

Semosvlis dRidan sazogadoeba<br />

didi interesiT eloda<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis partiis<br />

dafuZnebas. 21 aprils partiis<br />

„qarTuli ocneba- demokratiuli<br />

saqarTvelo“ Tavmjdomared<br />

uflebadamcveli da moqmedi<br />

advokati manana kobaxiZe<br />

dainiSna.<br />

_ rogor SeegueT partiul<br />

reJimSi muSaobas?<br />

_ es reJimi CemTvis ucxo<br />

araa, mTeli cxovreba daZabuli<br />

samuSao reJimi mqonda. saqme<br />

yovelTvis moiTxovs pasu-<br />

xism<strong>ge</strong>blobas, es saqme ki -<br />

gansakuTrebulia da Sesabamisad,<br />

gansakuTrebul pasuxism<strong>ge</strong>blobas<br />

moiTxovs.<br />

_ qalbatono manana, arCevnebamde<br />

cota droa darCenili.<br />

ra aris partiis progama- minimumi?<br />

ra nabijebs unda elodos<br />

sazogadoeba axladSeqmnili<br />

partiisagan pirvel etapze?<br />

_ mo<strong>ge</strong>xsenebaT, SabaTs, 21<br />

aprils davafuZneT moqalaqeTa<br />

politikuri gaerTianeba ”qar-<br />

Tuli ocneba”. am kviraSi iusticiis<br />

saministros partiis<br />

registraciisTvis waredgineba<br />

Sesabamisi dokumentebi. dRes<br />

Seikriba politikuri sabWo,<br />

Catarda pirveli sxdoma, romelzec<br />

ganisazRvra wevrTa<br />

Tanamdebobebi da funqciebi,<br />

avirCieT 4 mdivani : politikuri-<br />

sozar subari, saerTa-<br />

Soriso _ Tedo jafariZe, aRmasrulebeli<br />

_ nodar xaduri,<br />

xolo regionuli _ <strong>ge</strong>la<br />

xvedeliZe. dReisaTvis gvaqvs<br />

mniSvnelovani etapi samoqmedo<br />

<strong>ge</strong>gmis SemuSaveba, debulebis<br />

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mSenebloba Tveebis man-<br />

Zilze mimdinareobda, didi samuSao<br />

iqna Catarebuli, Zalian<br />

male mTeli qveynis masStabiT<br />

yvelgan iqneba ofisebi.<br />

rTuli periodia, cota<br />

droa arCevnebamde, Cven ki bevri<br />

saqme gvaqvs gasakeTebeli.<br />

mTeli rigi saorganizacio sakiTxebisa,<br />

gadasawyvetia. ”qar-<br />

Tuli ocneba” politikuri koaliciis<br />

wevria, Sesabamisad,<br />

saarCevno strategia da aqtivobebi<br />

erToblivad ganxorcieldeba.<br />

amdenad, politikur<br />

sabWos, romelic aRmasrulebeli<br />

organoa, wesdebiT dakisrebuli<br />

samuSaoebis ganxocieleba<br />

yovel wuTsa da saaTs<br />

mouwevs.<br />

_ ratom ar eswreboda yrilobas<br />

`erovnuli forumi”?<br />

_ ramdenadac CemTvis cnobilia,<br />

kaxa Sartava da gubaz<br />

mniSvnelovania, ara marto partiis<br />

dafuZneba, aramed koaliciis erToba,<br />

romelic erTi lideris garSemo Sedga<br />

sanikiZe ar imyofebodnen TbilisSi<br />

da mxolod amitom ver<br />

daeswrnen yrilobas. ”forumi”<br />

koaliciis sruluflebiani<br />

wevria, mniSvnelovani da angariSgasawevia<br />

Zalaa.<br />

_ orSabaTis tradiciul<br />

brifingze batonma biZinam ga-<br />

nacxada, rom partiis politikur<br />

sabWoSi sufTa warsulis<br />

mqone adamianebi gaerTiandnen.<br />

sazogadoebaSi namdvilad aris<br />

dakveTa zneobriv politikosebze.<br />

rogor fiqrobT, ra Sedegi<br />

miiRo Tavad ivaniSvilma<br />

oqtombridan dRemde?<br />

_ mniSvnelovania ara marto<br />

partiis dafuZneba, aseve<br />

koaliciuri erToba, romelic<br />

erTi lideris garSemo Sedga.<br />

realurad ganisazRvra im Zalebis<br />

Semad<strong>ge</strong>nloba, romelnic<br />

xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg seriozul<br />

Zalas warmoad<strong>ge</strong>nen.<br />

uamrav adamians vxvdebiT da<br />

isinis swored batoni biZinas<br />

gamo arian aqtiurebi da mzad<br />

arian, sakuTari resursi gai-<br />

Ron arCevnebSi gamarjvebisaTvis.<br />

koaliciaSi Semaval yvela<br />

subieqts, TiToeul wevrs,<br />

cxadad aqvs gaTavisebuli mizani<br />

da misi miRwevis saSualebebi,<br />

principebi, Tu ra formiT<br />

unda vimoqmedoT, raTa<br />

qveynis xelisuflebis mier gatarebuli<br />

araswori politikis<br />

Sedegad miRebuli mZime<br />

mdgomareoba gamoswordes mSvidobianad<br />

da mxolod arCevnebis<br />

gziT.<br />

_ brifingze batonma biZinam<br />

waradgina darejan pataSuri,<br />

romelic 2008 wlis agvistos<br />

omSi daRupuli kapral<br />

tatuaSvilis dedaa. qalbatoni<br />

da misi Svilebi `qarTuli ocnebis”<br />

mxardaWeris gamo Zalovani<br />

struqturebis mxridan<br />

fsiqologiur zewolas, devnas,<br />

muqaras, TvalTvals ganicdian.<br />

ramdenad mosalodnelia<br />

mxardamWerebis mimarT zewolis<br />

gagrZeleba da ra prevenciul<br />

RonisZiebebs sTavazobs<br />

”qarTuli ocneba” sakuTar<br />

mxardamWerebs?<br />

_ Cven mzad varT, rom yvelanairi<br />

daxmareba gavuwioT<br />

maT - iuridiuli an sxva formiT.<br />

adamians rom politikuri<br />

aqtivobis da Sexedulebis gamo<br />

umuSevars datoveb, uzneo-<br />

baa. aseTi adamianebi ar darCebian<br />

mxardaWeris gareSe. politikuri<br />

simpatiis gamoxatvis<br />

gamo moqalaqeebis Seviwroevbis<br />

faqtebi miewodeba saerTaSoriso<br />

organizaciebs, am<br />

masalebSi asaxuli iqneba is,<br />

Tu realurad vis da ratom<br />

sdevnian qveyanaSi. aseve amu-<br />

Savdeba yvela is samarTlebrivi<br />

meqanizmi, rac daicavs am<br />

adamianebs. xalxs unda hqondes<br />

imis gancda, rom daculia im<br />

Zalis mier, romelsac aqvs<br />

pretenzia, samarTliani arCevnebis<br />

gziT movides xelisuflebaSi.<br />

_ bevrs saubroben siebSi<br />

”mkvdari sulebis”, erT<br />

sacxovrebel misamarTze damatebiTi<br />

adamianebis miweris Sesaxeb,<br />

aseve emigraciaSi myofi<br />

moqalaqeebis xmebis ”gankargvis”<br />

Sesaxeb. ra meTodiT apirebT<br />

saarCevno siebis dazustebas<br />

?<br />

_ koalicias aqvs konkretuli<br />

samoqmedo <strong>ge</strong>gma, sadac<br />

mniSvnelovani adgili ukavia<br />

siebis kontrolis meqanizms,<br />

raTa minimumamde daviyvanoT<br />

riskebi araswori monacemebis<br />

gamo, swored amaSia Cveni,<br />

”qarTuli ’ocnebis” Zala, rom<br />

marto ar varT. koalicia -<br />

iyo ivaniSvilis mxridan go-<br />

nivruli gadawyvetileba, mas<br />

Tavisuflad SeeZlo calke,<br />

sakuTari partia Seeqmna, hyoloda<br />

aTasobiT mxardamWeri.<br />

man ar miiRo iseTi gadawyvetileba,<br />

sadac marto imoqmedebda.dRes<br />

ivaniSvili progresul<br />

politikur ZalebTan koaliciaSia.<br />

_ Tumca koalicia, erTgvarad,<br />

ekleqturi gaerTianebaa.<br />

dRes, SegviZlia vTqvaT, rom<br />

qveyanaSi ideologiuri Widilia.<br />

liberalizmi ar gamoricxavs<br />

erovnulobas? ra ufro<br />

axlosaa konkretulad”<br />

qarTuli ocnebisaTvis”?<br />

_ es aris gaerTianeba, romelsac<br />

aqvs saerTo SeTanxmeba<br />

principebsa da Rirebulebebze.<br />

koaliciaSi Semavali partiebis<br />

ideologiuri gansxvaveba<br />

ar niSnavs imas, rom maT Rirebulebebi<br />

da principebi ar aer-<br />

TianebT. deklaraciaSi mkafiod<br />

aris Camoyalibebuli, yvelaferi,<br />

rac dRes qarTvel kacs,<br />

qveyanas awuxebs. iyo msjeloba,<br />

mizanSewonili iyo Tu ara<br />

deklaraciaSi problemebze saubari,<br />

magram sabolood, dafiqsirda<br />

_ rogori qveyana<br />

gvaqvs da rogori gvinda. 20<br />

welia vaSenebT qveyanas da demokratias,<br />

magram ver avaSeneT.<br />

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uflebebia. socialur solidarobaze<br />

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ZiriTadi masa ki siRatakis<br />

zRvarze imyofeba. adamianebis<br />

udidesi nawili daucvelia socialurad,<br />

uflebrivad... bevr<br />

maTgans skolaSi ver dahyavs<br />

Svili, arafers ar vambob jandacvaze...<br />

demokratiuli, samarTlebrivi<br />

saxelmwifos Seneba da<br />

miRweva SeiZleba nacionalur<br />

moZraobasac uweria wesdebaSi,<br />

magram rac miviReT, ki vxedavT.<br />

aq Zalian mniSvnelovania<br />

is, Tu vin udgas saTaveSi<br />

procesebs, pirovnebaTa potenciali<br />

gansxvavebulia.<br />

_ dReisaTvis batoni biZinas<br />

moqalaqeobis sakiTxma naxevari<br />

wliT gadaiwia. koaliciis<br />

wevrebis gancxadebiT, ar-<br />

CevnebSi gamarjvebis Semdeg<br />

ivaniSvils 2 kviraSi daubrundeba<br />

moqalaqeoba. ra gaZelevT<br />

imis garantias, rom darwmunebuli<br />

iyoT gamarjvebaSi?<br />

_ xelisuflebam kanoniT da<br />

konstituciiT manipulireba moifiqra.<br />

samarTlebrivad uari<br />

ganacxada ra moqalaqeobis aRd<strong>ge</strong>nis<br />

Taobaze sasamarTlo davaze,<br />

naturalizaciis gziT moqalaqeobis<br />

miniWebaze da mxolod<br />

erTi gza daitova _ miiRos<br />

konstituciuri cvlileba, ra-<br />

Ta biZina ivaniSvili CaerTos<br />

politikur procesebSi. koalicia<br />

Tanxmdeba, rom kerZo adamianebis<br />

gamo konstituciaSi<br />

cvlilebebi dauSvebelia, vaprotestebT<br />

im uzneobas, roca<br />

qveynis uzenaes kanons SeiZleba<br />

ase moeqce. es niSnavs imas, rom<br />

kanoni ar kanonobs da mxolod<br />

politikuri problemebis gadasaWrelad<br />

arsebobs. saerTaSoriso<br />

sazogadoebam dainaxa yvelaferi<br />

da Sesabamis reaqciasac<br />

velodebiT.<br />

_ Tumca, xelisuflebis<br />

gancxadebiT, biZina ivaniSvilis<br />

moqalaqeobis sakiTxis mougvarebloba<br />

misi iuristebis<br />

arakompetenturobas braldeba...<br />

_ brZanebuleba, romelic<br />

pirovnebas aniWebs uflebas naturalizaciis<br />

gziT miiRos<br />

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sadac mkafiod aris miTiTebuli,<br />

Tu romeli qveynis moqalaqeobis<br />

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ar tovebs moqalaqeobis gare-<br />

Se, ivaniSvils saqarTvelos<br />

moqalaqeobis miniWebisTanave<br />

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moqalaqeoba.mas<br />

gacxadebuli aqvs, rom ar<br />

surs ormagi moqalaqeoba da<br />

Sesabamisac arc mimarTa im<br />

adamians, romelmac mas moqalaqeoba<br />

urcxvad, arasamarTleb-<br />

rivad, sakuTari neba-surviliT<br />

CamoarTva.amasTan, ivaniSvilma<br />

moqalaqeobis naturalizaciis<br />

gziT moTxovnisas daicva yvela<br />

is procedura, rac gawerili<br />

iyo kanoniT. Tuki xarvezi<br />

iyo, reestri valdebuli iyo,<br />

dokumentaciis ward<strong>ge</strong>nisTanave<br />

Seetyobinebina misTvis amis Sesaxeb.<br />

amisTvis ar iyo saWiro<br />

3 Tve. amiT 6 TviT dablokes<br />

ivaniSvilis moqalaqeobis sakiTxi.<br />

xelisuflebas am meTodiT<br />

surda politikuri velidan<br />

ivaniSvilis mocileba,<br />

Tumca es faqti saerTaSoriso<br />

sazogadoebis mxridan seriozuli<br />

gansjis sagani gaxda.<br />

Tuki konstituciaSi Seva<br />

cvlilebebi, ivaniSvili am mocemulobiT<br />

isar<strong>ge</strong>blebs.<br />

nino fircxalava

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#20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

ggvveessaauubbrreebbaa ffiilloossooffoossii<br />

zaza SaTiriSvili<br />

_ zaza, 21 aprils biZina ivaniSvilis<br />

partia dafuZnda, romelsac<br />

saTaveSi manana kobaxiZe<br />

Caudga. rogor fiqrobT, rogor<br />

ganviTardeba movlenebi?<br />

_ eqvsTviani procesi garkveul<br />

fazaSi Sevida. amaSi garkveuli<br />

logika arsebobs. garkveuli<br />

tipis moulodneloba, albaT partiis<br />

Tavmjdomaris arCevas ukav-<br />

Sirdeba. Tumca, miuxedavad sazogadoebis<br />

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ramdenime mniSvnelovani momenti<br />

_ upirveles yovlisa, es<br />

Tanamedrove situaciidan gamomdinareobs,<br />

roca qalis roli sakmaod<br />

gazrdilia. iuristi, uflebadamcvelic<br />

Tanamedrove koniunqturis<br />

TvalTaxedvidan, politikurad<br />

sruliad koreqtuli nabijia.<br />

mogvwons Tu ara, es sxva sakiTxia,<br />

magram Tu gvinda dasavluri<br />

konteqstis nawili viyoT, am<br />

mxriv, es misaRebia. procesi axal<br />

fazaSi gadavida, vgulisxmob,<br />

struqturebis Camoyalibebas, rac<br />

aqamde SeiZleba cota gafantuli<br />

iyo. dRes politikaSi asea, esaa<br />

formaa arCevnebSi monawileobis.<br />

_ magram rogor <strong>ge</strong>saxebaT partiuli<br />

struqturis Camoyalibeba<br />

am axali politikuri gundis<br />

fonze? ivaniSvilis partiis arcerTi<br />

wevri politikosi ar aris,<br />

es problemebs ar Seqmnis?<br />

_ bolo dros xSirad msmenia,<br />

politikas axali sisxlis gadasxma<br />

sWirdeba, axali saxeebia saWiroo.<br />

xoda Cvenc vnaxoT, ris gakeTebas<br />

SeZleben es naklebad cnobili<br />

saxeebi.<br />

aqamde konstitucia mxolod<br />

saakaSvilisTvis icvleboda. im<br />

drosac moveswariT, rodesac saakaSvili<br />

konstitucias biZina ivaniSvilisTvis<br />

cvlis. meore momentia,<br />

ramdenad sworia es, magram<br />

erTi ram unda vaRiaroT _ gamovideT<br />

realobidan da ara iuridiuli<br />

fetiSizmidan. Cvens qveyanaSi<br />

konstitucia namdvilad ar asrulebs<br />

im rols, rasac aSS an safran<strong>ge</strong>TSi.<br />

saqarTveloSi konstitucia<br />

TavisTvisaa, Cven _ CvenTvis.<br />

mniSvnelovania erTi ram _<br />

xelisuflebis mxridan ukan daxevis<br />

momenti. magaliTad, gaitaces<br />

`qarTu bankis~ fuli da rogor<br />

ukanonodac waiRes, aseve ukanonod<br />

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Tvals vadevnebT iseTi tipis ukan<br />

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saakaSvili ityoda, pirvelad xdeba<br />

saqarTveloSi is, rom nac. moZraoba<br />

aSkarad ukan ixevs. tendencia<br />

saxezea, rac Cemi azriT, ramdenime<br />

TveSi kidev ufro gaZlierdeba.<br />

_ batoni biZina acxadebs, rom<br />

xelisuflebaSi sakonstitucio<br />

umravlesobiT mova magram, rogor<br />

fiqrobT, am gundiT, rac man sazogadoebas<br />

21 aprils warudgina,<br />

es SesaZlebelia?!<br />

_ politikosisgan, xelisuflebis<br />

warmomad<strong>ge</strong>nlisgan Zalian<br />

minimalurs moviTxov _ moqalaqeebs<br />

ar Segvexos, anu xalxs muSaobis,<br />

moqmedebis saSualeba mieces.<br />

saakaSvilis xelisuflebis mTeli<br />

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verc neoliberalurs.<br />

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_ esaa samarTlebrivi sivrcisa<br />

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iyos, rom demokratiisTvis dro<br />

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rogoria?<br />

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klasikur oligarqiaSi varT, sadac,<br />

faqtobrivad biznesi da xelisufleba<br />

erTi da igivea. aqedan<br />

gamomdinare ivaniSvilis winaSe<br />

seriozuli amocana dgas _ man unda<br />

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swori xedva aqvs da meore _ daarwmunos,<br />

sazogadoeba rom mas<br />

amis gakeTeba SeuZlia.<br />

ivaniSvili, rodesac politikur<br />

sivrceSi Semovida, Zalian<br />

didi molodini gaCnda. yvela<br />

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tipis SezRudvas gulisxmobs.<br />

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yvelasi iyo, axla mTlad yvelasi<br />

veRar aris, Tumca man arsebuli<br />

politikosebis sakmaod<br />

farTo speqtri moicva. meore momentia,<br />

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nac. moZraoba erTiani<br />

struqturaa, romelic sxvadasxva<br />

nawilebisgan Sed<strong>ge</strong>ba. `komedi Sous~<br />

biWebic erT-erTi nawilTagania.<br />

ivaniSvilTan ramdenime msaxiobi<br />

ki ara, xelisuflebis ideologiuri<br />

frontis muSakebi gadavidnen.<br />

aqedan gamomdinare maTgan<br />

ivaniSvilis gundSi gadasvla, Ralatad<br />

aRiqmeba. es gasa<strong>ge</strong>bia. davakvirdeT<br />

xelisuflebis damokidebulebas<br />

trampisadmi, es araa<br />

SemTxveviTi. oligarqiuli reJimisTvis<br />

biznesmenis Camosvla ise<br />

aRiqmeba, rogorc sabWoTa kavSir-<br />

Si zavxozis Camosvla iyo. ase,<br />

rom varT fazaSi, romelsac levan<br />

ramiSvilma Zalian zustad<br />

civi samoqalaqo omi uwoda. xelisuflebis<br />

warmomad<strong>ge</strong>nlebis,<br />

igive ramiSvilis azriT xelisufleba<br />

_ esaa progresi, momavali,<br />

xolo ivaniSvili da misi gundi _<br />

CamorCeniloba. gareSe TvaliT Tu<br />

SevxedavT ivaniSvilsa da saakaSvils<br />

Soris dapirispireba, esaa<br />

radikalizmsa da zomierebas Soris<br />

dapirispireba. dRes, qveyanas<br />

zomiereba rogorc arasdros ise<br />

sWirdeba. upirveles yovlisa<br />

vgulisxmob Semdegs _ roca reformebs<br />

axorcieleb Zalian didi<br />

mniSvneloba aqvs droSi gaweras.<br />

xelisuflebis bevri Secdoma iman<br />

gamoiwvia, rom isini erT TveSi<br />

akeTebdnen imas, rasac gacilebiT<br />

meti dro sWirdeba. vTqvaT, erT<br />

TveSi aaSenes saxli, anakliis xidi,<br />

romlebic Camoingra da a.S.<br />

magaliTad, ganaTlebis reforma<br />

ar keTdeba erT weliwadSi. latviaSi<br />

am procesma 15 wels gastana<br />

anu gareSe damkvirveblisTvis<br />

dapirispireba midis saR azrsa _<br />

biZina vaniSvilsa da saRi azrisgan<br />

gadacdomas _ saakaSvils Soris.<br />

ase, rom es ar aris dapirispireba<br />

progressa da regress Soris.<br />

_ zaza, rogor fiqrobT, am<br />

or gunds Soris ki ara, xelisuflebasa<br />

da sazogadoebas Soris<br />

xom ar aris realuri dapirispireba?<br />

_xSir SemTxvevaSi Tavad xelisuflebis<br />

warmomad<strong>ge</strong>nlebic<br />

aRniSnaven, rom saakaSvili ufro<br />

winaa, vidre sazogadoeba. xalxi<br />

aqamde konstitucia mxolod<br />

saakaSvilisTvis icvleboda. im<br />

drosac moveswariT, rodesac<br />

saakaSvili konstitucias<br />

biZina ivaniSvilisTvis cvlis<br />

qsenofobia da unda gaizardoso _<br />

Tvlian isini. magram problema<br />

iciT ra aris vin unda gazardos<br />

xalxi? _ nacionali mixeil TavxeliZe,<br />

romelsac Tavad sWirdeba<br />

seriozuli aRzrda, ganaTleba<br />

xom ver gazrdis am xalxs?! igive<br />

iTqmis danarCenebzec. esaa seriozuli<br />

problema _ aris elitizmi,<br />

magram elitis aranairi unar-Cvevebi<br />

am `elitas~ ar aqvs. Tu deklarirebul<br />

Rirebulebebzea saubari,<br />

erTia, roca deklarirebuli<br />

gaqvs multikulturistoba _ giyvars<br />

somxebi, azerbaijanelebi da<br />

meorea _ roca azerbaijanel saqarTvelos<br />

moqalaqeebs daTesil,<br />

moxnul mindvrebs arTmev. es aris<br />

tolerantoba? esaa problema, ra-<br />

Rac deklarirebulia qaRaldze,<br />

magram sinamdvileSi rig situaciebSi<br />

qarTveli moqalaqe absoluturad<br />

daucvelia. ubralod fsiqologiurad<br />

mosaxleobisa da xelisuflebis<br />

fsiqotips Soris<br />

uamravi acdenaa. aris bevri ram,<br />

magaliTad ganaTlebis sferoSi,<br />

rac gamosasworebel, gasasworebeli<br />

an Tavidan gasakeTebelia. SevardnaZis<br />

dros ambobdnen, reformebi<br />

saTanado tempiT ar mimdinareobs<br />

da uares Sede<strong>ge</strong>bs viRebTo.<br />

magram, medals meore mxarec aqvs<br />

_ roca 9 Tviani procesis dasru-<br />

saerTo gazeTi<br />

leba 1 TveSi ginda, arc maSin gamodis<br />

araferi. vfiqrob, am SemTxvevaSi<br />

ivaniSvili gadaxril qanqaras<br />

asworebs. is, rom saakaSvili<br />

Caatarebs arCevnebs da Tu is mas-<br />

Si damarcxdeba _ es iqneba yvelaze<br />

didi reforma. maSin. `vardebis<br />

revolucia~ gaimarjvebs da saakaSvilis<br />

damarcxeba, misi yvelaze<br />

didi gamarjveba iqneba.<br />

magram qveyana dRes da axlaa<br />

saSveli. opozicia gvpirdeba ar-<br />

Cevnebis mere movalT da amas da<br />

amas gagikeTebTo, magram sazogadoebas<br />

lodinis dro aRar aqvs,<br />

prezidenti absoluturad araadekvaturia<br />

da kacma ar icis oqtombris<br />

arCevnebamde ras gadagvyris.<br />

mniSvnelovania erTi ram _ saqarTvelos<br />

nawili dRes ruseTis<br />

proteqtoratis qveSaa, meore nawili<br />

_ amerikis. es realobaa. aq<br />

d<strong>ge</strong>ba pro-dasavlurobisa da prorusulobis<br />

sakiTxi, romelic<br />

yalbi arCevania. arCevani Semdegia<br />

_ an Caatareb arCevnebs da dasavluri<br />

sivrcis nawili gaxdebi, an<br />

darCeba aq nac. moZraoba da evraziuli<br />

sivrcis nawili iqneba. evraziul<br />

sivrceSi yofna ruseTTan<br />

daZmakacebas sulac ar niSnavs. Tu<br />

aq zustad ise iqcevi, rogorc putini,<br />

maSin evraziuli sivrce xar<br />

da ruseTs sulac ar sWirdeba Seni<br />

okupireba imitom, rom ukve<br />

ruseTi xar. rodesac prezidentis<br />

momxreebi mis Seucvlelobaze saubroben,<br />

swored esaa evraziuloba,<br />

CamorCeniloba.<br />

_ bolo periodia mudmivad mi-<br />

Sa wadis gaviZaxiT, magram vinc<br />

modis is raTaa gansxvavebuli? bi-<br />

Zina ivaniSvilis da saakaSvilis<br />

xedvebi bevr sakiTxSi erTi da<br />

igivea.<br />

_ absoluturad <strong>ge</strong>TanxmebiT<br />

deklarirebuli Rirebulebebis<br />

doneze gansxvaveba ar aris imitom,<br />

rom saqarTveloSi ar aris<br />

arCevani pro-rusulsa da pro-evropuls<br />

Soris, aseTi ram ar arsebobs.<br />

gansxvaveba SemdegSia _<br />

marTla, realurad dasavleTi<br />

xar Tu deklarirebulad. Tu aq<br />

100 wliT rCebi, maSin Suaazia da<br />

ruseTi xar. dRes saqarTvelos<br />

winaSe Zalian martivi amocana<br />

dgas _ an daamtkicebs, rom marTla<br />

dasavleTia an post-sabWoTa<br />

sivrcis erT-erT gamovlinebad<br />

darCeba. Tu ivaniSvili gaimarjvebs,<br />

ramdenime TveSi aq realurad<br />

memarcxene partia gaCndeba,<br />

romelic ilaparakebs realuri,<br />

dasavluri memarcxeneobis problematikidan<br />

gamomdinare. aseTi<br />

tipis partiis gaCena gardauvali<br />

procesia, rasac saakaSvili aferxebs.<br />

mas mTeli veli aqvs uzurpirebuli<br />

_ TviTonaa memarcxenec,<br />

ioSka fiSeric, toni bleric, bu-<br />

Sic da a.S. yvelaferi TviTon<br />

aris.<br />

_ zaza, weRan trampi axseneT,<br />

mas didi sixaruliT viRebT, Cvens<br />

qvelmoqmeds ki vdevniT, ra qveyanas<br />

vaSenebT?<br />

_ cxadia trampi Sorsaa, igi<br />

ar monawileobs politikur procesebSi.<br />

ivaniSvili ki CaerTo am<br />

procesSi, ris Semdegac mteri<br />

gaxda. problema aris ara ivaniSvilis<br />

qvelmoqmedebaSi, aramed is,<br />

rom ivaniSvili oligarqiul re-<br />

Jims angrevs imitom, rom biznesmenia,<br />

romelic am oligarqiul<br />

sistemaSi ar monawileobs. is TavisTavad<br />

amovardnilobaa, igi Tavisi<br />

arsebobiT ukve arRvevs oligarqiul<br />

sistemas. trampis zarzeimiT<br />

daxvedra logikuria, ase<br />

xvdebodnen sabWoTa kavSiris<br />

dros saqarTveloSi `gumis~ da<br />

`cumis~ direqtorebs. maTTvis<br />

biznesi kerZo sfero ki ara, xelisuflebis<br />

nawilia, aseT daxvedrasac<br />

swored es ganapirobebs.<br />

Tamar SveliZe<br />

5

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6 saerTo gazeTi #20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

qarTvelebs erTi ucnauri<br />

Cveva gvaqvs, kerZod, Tuki vinme<br />

Rirseulad, vaJkacurad iqceva,<br />

im adamianSi umal qarTul <strong>ge</strong>netikas<br />

veZebT da ase vambobT:<br />

`aba, ra? magas deda hyavs qarTveli~,<br />

anda `TbilisSia nacxovrebi~,<br />

`oh, magas coli hyavs<br />

qarTveli da imitom aris jigari~-o,<br />

magram arasodes vkiTxulobT,<br />

ama Tu im pirovnebas e<strong>ge</strong>b<br />

Tavisi, erovnuli Rirsebebi ar<br />

aZlevs uflebas uRirsiviT moiqces<br />

da afer SuaSia misi kav-<br />

Siri qarTvelobasTan? ambavi,<br />

romelsac qvemoT mogiyvebiT<br />

TiTqmis daujerebelia, magram<br />

iseTive marTalia, rogorc is,<br />

rom dRes afxazeTi saqarTvelos<br />

iurisdiqciaSi ar aris da rogorc<br />

is, rom dRes e.w. damoukidebeli<br />

afxazeTis de-faqto prezidenti<br />

aleqsandre anqvabia.<br />

saqarTveloSi TiTqmis yvelam<br />

icis, rom afxazeTSi rusuli<br />

politikis momZlavrebam, eTnikur<br />

afxazebs didi problemebi<br />

gauCina, rogorc ekonomikuri,<br />

aseve demografiuli da ZirZveli<br />

afxazuri tradiciebis SenarCunebis<br />

TvalsazrisiT, magram bevrma<br />

ar icis, rom afxazuri, WeSmaritad<br />

patriotuli elita<br />

TavgamodebiT ebrZvis yovelive<br />

araafxazurs da amis gamo igive<br />

rus ultranacionalebTan, anda<br />

religiur umciresobebTan lamisaa<br />

xelCarTul brZolaSi arian<br />

Sesuli, Cvengan gansxvavebiT.<br />

<strong>`saerTo</strong> gazeTis~ erTgul<br />

mkiTxvels kargad moexseneba,<br />

rom me, Jurnalisti irine gogosaSvili,<br />

90-ian wlebidan moyolebuli<br />

aqtiurad vmuSaobdi<br />

afxazeTis avtonomiur respub-<br />

likaSi da saqarTvelos televiziis<br />

programa `saRamo mSvidobisa~-Sic,<br />

aseve aqtiurad vaSuqebdi<br />

jer omamdel, xolo Semdgom,<br />

omis amsaxvel video-dokumentur<br />

faqtebs. magram miuxedavad<br />

CvenSi SuRlis gaRvivebisa ra<br />

Tqma unda, omamde da omis Semdgomac,<br />

araCveulebriv adamianur<br />

urTierTobebs vinarCunebdi<br />

afxazur elitasTan, politikur<br />

elitasTan, JurnalistebTan da<br />

rigiT afxazebTanac, riTac araerTxel<br />

davzaralebulvar mavan-<br />

Ta komentarebiT, mag: _`eh, eg<br />

xom farulad afxazebis a<strong>ge</strong>ntia~<br />

da msgavsi usafuZvlo braldebebiT,<br />

magram roca saqme-saqmeze<br />

mid<strong>ge</strong>boda da aqeT `gamovi-<br />

Werdi~ xolme aseTebs (oRondac<br />

kremlisTvis aqtiur garjaSi),<br />

maSin icocxleT, vuwevdi xmas<br />

da veubnebodi, rom `is~ araTu<br />

qarTvelebis, aramed eTnikuri<br />

afxazebis pirdapiri mteric iyo<br />

da es omic, swored misTanebis<br />

wyalobiT gaCaRda 1992-93<br />

wlebSi~-Tqo.<br />

gasakviria, magram vladislav<br />

arZinbas `zeobis~ periodSi, anu<br />

maSin roca igi afxazeTis uzena-<br />

informacia pirvelwyarodan _<br />

sergo Sambas vaJi da arZinbas qaliSvili _<br />

sveta marTla arian gareulni aleqsandre<br />

anqvabze ganxorcielebul teraqtebSi?<br />

ratom moikla Tavi teraqtebis orma monawilem?<br />

esi sabWos Tavmjdomare iyo da<br />

antiqarTuli propagandac ukideganod<br />

iRvreboda da qarTvel<br />

Jurnalistebs TiTqmis ekrZalebodaT<br />

afxaz CinovnikebTan ur-<br />

TierToba, swored maSin ser<strong>ge</strong>i<br />

Sambas, zurab aCbas, aleqsandre<br />

anqvabis, naTela akabas da Tvi-<br />

Ton vladislav arZinbas uSualo<br />

CareviT, me araTu uzenaesi<br />

sabWos SenobaSi Sesvlas, aramed<br />

sxdomebis videofirze aRbeWdvasac<br />

vaxerxebdi da minda giTxraT,<br />

rom am saqmeSi e.w. `qarTuli<br />

mxare~ saerTod ar mexmareboda,<br />

metic, meubnebodnen, rom<br />

_`isini~ ver uzrunvelyofdnen<br />

Cems normalurad muSaobas, radgan<br />

situacia Zalian daZabuliao.<br />

sakmarisi iyo damereka arZinbas-<br />

Tvis da meTqva: vladislav grigoriC<br />

Tqven qarTvel Jurnalistebs<br />

Segnebulad gvaviwrovebT,<br />

ar gviSvebT SenobaSi~-Tqo, rom<br />

umal Tavis TanaSemwes Camoarbeninebda<br />

pirvel sarTulze, momkidebdnen<br />

xels da `Cto vi, Cto<br />

vi~, ra Seviwroeba, mobrZandiT,<br />

gvkiTxeT, rac gainteresebTo~, _<br />

mebodiSebodnen, magram meore<br />

iyo, TviTon afxazi politikosebi<br />

rogori mowiwebiT da rogori<br />

pativiT gviRebdnen kabineteb-<br />

Si, jer erTi, TiToeuli maTgani<br />

imitom, rom afxazur kulturas<br />

uwevda angariSs, araviTar<br />

SemTxvevaSi ar gagrZnobinebda,<br />

rom Sen misTvis arasasurveli<br />

stumari iyavi, anda uxerxul<br />

kiTxvebs svamdi da meorec _<br />

aqeT <strong>ge</strong>ubneboda: `ira, iqneb ar<br />

Rirdes am intervius gamoqveyneba,<br />

viTareba isedac areuliao?~<br />

anu afxaz politikosTa umravlesobas<br />

omi, romelic Cven daviwyeT,<br />

ar surdaT da metic,<br />

isini Sors iyurebodnen da<br />

grZnobdnen, rom mesame Zala, e.i.<br />

ruseTi, omis Semdgom maTTvisac<br />

moiclida da ufro met problemas<br />

gaaCenda, vidre es omis mimdinareobisas<br />

hqondaT afxazebs.<br />

asec moxda... mas Semdeg bevrma<br />

mRvrie wyalma Caiara aqac da<br />

iqac, magram, rogorc dRes irkveva,<br />

afxazebs imaze meti problemebi<br />

aqvT, vidre Cven gvqonia<br />

da es rom marTlac asea, amaSi<br />

Cemma Zvelma nacnobma, afxazma<br />

Jurnalistma, kidev erTxel damarwmuna.<br />

_ ira, Zalian mixaria, rom<br />

gagaxsendi, albaT, mizezic <strong>ge</strong>qneba,<br />

gismen...<br />

_ es erTi kviraa, afxazeTidan<br />

cudi ambebi ismis, problemebi<br />

gqoniaT...<br />

_ ra problemebia, ver damikonkreteb?<br />

_ mainteresebs, marTalia Tu<br />

ara anqvabze ganxorcielebul<br />

teraqtSi sveta arZinbas da ser<strong>ge</strong>i<br />

Sambas biWi arian eWvmitanilebi?<br />

_ erTi pirobiT, Cemi saxeli<br />

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xvdebi ratomac?<br />

_ migixvdi, ar aris problema...<br />

xom ici, Tu Segpirdi, gavakeTeb.<br />

_ vici... daviwyoT imiT, rom<br />

galidan leseliZemde sanapiro<br />

zolze yvela `lakomni kusoCek<br />

zemli~ (nugbari miwis nakveTi)<br />

rusma biznesmenebma, maTma sayvarlebma,<br />

Svilebma, rusma maRalCinosnebma<br />

da samxedro pirebma<br />

iyides. eg kidev araferi... adgilobriv<br />

mosaxleobas ici rogor<br />

eurTierTebian? `vot, mi za vas<br />

voevali, krov lili za nezevisimost<br />

afxazii, i vi eSCo ne davolnie?~<br />

(ai, Cven TqvenTvis vibrZodiT,<br />

afxazeTis damoukideblobisTvis<br />

sisxls vRvridiT da<br />

kidev ukmayofiloni xarT?) saerTod,<br />

situaciaa iseTi, TiTqos<br />

afxazeTi afxazebis ki ara, yvela<br />

sxva danarCenebisaa, <strong>ge</strong>smis?<br />

_ ise, Sen ar <strong>ge</strong>wyinos, magram<br />

realurad vfiqrob, rom<br />

marTlac asea da <strong>ge</strong>tyvi ratom.<br />

jer erTi _ afxazeTSi, mgoni,<br />

ukve somxebi arian eTnikuri umravlesoba<br />

da meorec, mand Tu<br />

rusebma masiurad daiwyes Camosaxleba,<br />

sul gadagylapaven, rogorc<br />

eTnoss, ar meTanxmebi?<br />

_ ira, afxazeTidan bevri midis<br />

da amitom SeiZleba, eTnikuri<br />

balansi cota sagangaSoa,<br />

magram ar vfiqrob, rom es didxans<br />

gagrZeldeba, problema mar-<br />

Talia, aqtualuria, magram visi<br />

bralia?<br />

_ axla ar miTxra, demografiuli<br />

problemac qarTvelebma..<br />

(gawyvetinebT)<br />

_ ar ginda warsuli, Tumca<br />

rac omSi axalgazrdebi daiRupa,<br />

ra Tqma unda, afxazTa <strong>ge</strong>nofonds<br />

warmoad<strong>ge</strong>nda, iseve, rogorc,<br />

Tqveni jariskacebis udidesi<br />

umravlesoba warmoad<strong>ge</strong>nda<br />

qarTvelTa <strong>ge</strong>nofonds! me Zalian<br />

kargad vici, Tqveni demografiuli<br />

realoba, magram afxazebTan<br />

SedarebiT, Tqven ukeTesi mdgomareoba<br />

gaqvT da <strong>ge</strong>tyvi, ratomac.<br />

dRes afxazeTSi gasaTxovari<br />

qali 3-jer da 4-jer ufro<br />

metia, vidre dasaqorwinebeli<br />

vaJi da es ukve Zalian didi<br />

problemaa. problemaa narkomaniac<br />

da xSir SemTxvevaSi, afxazur<br />

ojaxebSi aseTi sasiZoebi<br />

sasurvelebi ar arian. amas daumate<br />

loToba, umuSevroba, emigracia,<br />

masiuri depresia da mixvdebi,<br />

rom CvenTan saqme arcTu<br />

SemTxveviTad, Zalian sagangaSoa<br />

da swored amitom varT afxazebi<br />

Zalian Sewuxebuli.<br />

ici ra miTxari? sergo Sambas<br />

Svili da sveta arZinba mar-<br />

Tla arian gareuli alika anqvabis<br />

winaaRmdeg mowyobili teraqtebis<br />

seriaSi?<br />

_ me, veravis xels ver davadeb,<br />

magram faqtia, rom Sambas<br />

Svili axla iZebneba...<br />

_ teraqtis mowyobaSi eWvmitanilebma,<br />

romlebic daapatimres,<br />

ramdenime dRis win, cixeSi<br />

Tavi moikles, marTalia?<br />

_ ho...<br />

_ rogor fiqrob, ra iyo<br />

amis mizezi, is, rom damkveTebi<br />

ar daesaxelebinaT Tu zewolas<br />

ver gauZles?<br />

_ me erTi rame vici, ira,<br />

kavkasiaSi xelisuflebebis cvla<br />

sisxlis gareSe aRaravis<br />

warmoud<strong>ge</strong>nia da es yvelaferi<br />

ki mxolod Cveni bralia. Sen<br />

ici, rom mec momikvda ojaxis<br />

wevri omis dros, magram sxvebiviT<br />

ar gavborotebulvar... xom<br />

xedav, Senc normalurad <strong>ge</strong>kontaqtebi<br />

da sxva qarTvelebsac,<br />

magram ici, ra makvirvebs? mandac<br />

da aqac isev situaciis eskalaciisTvis<br />

ratom irjebian?<br />

saakaSvili adre iZaxda 1 weliwadSi<br />

afxazeTi Cveni iqneba, `iuJnaia<br />

osetias~ erT saaTSi avi-<br />

RebT da ra xdeba aq 90-ian<br />

wlebSi marto mkvdrebi datoves<br />

qarTvelebma, SewinaaRmde<strong>ge</strong>bas<br />

rom gamoricxaven?<br />

_ isev teraqts, anqvabs, Sambas<br />

da arZinbas davubrundeT da<br />

miTxari, anqvabsa da Sambas Soris<br />

dapirispireba arsebobda?<br />

_ nuuu, es ar Canda zedapirulad,<br />

magram is, rom anqvabi<br />

gaxda prezidenti da ara e.w.<br />

`arZinbas Tanamoazre~, garkveul<br />

dapirispirebas maSinve niSnavda,<br />

Tumca gimeoreb, rom maT pirad<br />

urTierTobebSi es ar Canda.<br />

_ ras niSnavs `arZinbas Tanamoazre~,<br />

raRa dros arZinbaa, nu<br />

gadamrie...<br />

_ `arZinbas Tanamoazreoba~<br />

afxazeTSi niSnavs afxazeTis damoukideblobas,<br />

afxazTa mier<br />

afxazeTisTvis daRvrili sisxlis<br />

xsovnas, afxazi eTnosis<br />

upiratesobas afxazeTSi da er-<br />

Tgulebas im ficisa, romelic<br />

Tavis droze garkveulma adamianebma<br />

afxaz uxucesebTan dades,<br />

gasa<strong>ge</strong>bia?<br />

vladislav grigoriCi Tavisi<br />

prezidentobis memkvidred swored<br />

ser<strong>ge</strong>i mironoviCs (Samba)<br />

moiazrebda, magram es ase ar<br />

moxda...<br />

_ arZinba vis moiazrebda, magas<br />

ara aqvs mniSvneloba, imitom,<br />

rom ruseTi niSnavda da<br />

niSnavs dResac Tavis emisrebs<br />

aq... Sen is miTxari aleqsandre<br />

anqvabi `arZinbas bratvaSi~ ar<br />

iyo?<br />

_ anqvabs `eseni~ arasodes<br />

endobodnen, Tumca afxazeTSi<br />

gudauTeloba ukve ZirSive niS

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#20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi<br />

navs patriot, erTgul da uRalato<br />

afxazs!<br />

_ alikac xom gudauTelia<br />

da ras uwunebdnen imas, rom<br />

TbilisSi muSaobda? mase arZinbazec,<br />

Sambazec, sawyali bagaf-<br />

Sic da kidev bevrni, yvela aq ar<br />

swavlobda da muSaobda?<br />

_ ho, magram anqvabma mainc<br />

ver miiRo maTi simpaTiebi. sxva-<br />

TaSoris Tqvenma kitovanma Tqva<br />

_ omis dros aleqsandre anqvabi<br />

Cveni mokavSire iyoo...<br />

_ auf, kituSam eg imitom<br />

Tqva, rom maSin arCevnebi iyo da<br />

viRacam daavala, ase Tqvi da anqvabi<br />

xmebs ver miiRebso, magram<br />

exla ici, ra vifiqre? SeiZleba<br />

es `arZinbas bratvam~-ac sTxova,<br />

vin icis? faqti erTia_ kremlma<br />

`stavka~ anqvabze gaakeTa da<br />

amas, albaT, garkveuli mizezebic<br />

hqonda. me mainc teraqtebis<br />

ambavi da Ziebis detalebi ufro<br />

mainteresebs. svetlana arZinba<br />

dakavebulia?<br />

_ rom ar mogatyuo, ar vici...<br />

ise ki amboben, rom Sida patimrobaSia,<br />

magram ramdenad mar-<br />

Talia, arc eg vici.<br />

_ SegiZlia damidasturo Tu<br />

ara is, rom dRes afxazeTSi<br />

klanuri dapirispirebis garda,<br />

ideologiuri dapirispirebacaa?<br />

_ ici, ra? ideologiuri dapirispirebaa<br />

im mxriv, rom adamianebma<br />

amdeni omis, gaWirvebis<br />

da damcirebis Semdeg daiwyes<br />

fiqri imaze, rom mxolod urapatriotizmiT<br />

samSoblos ver<br />

SeinarCuneben, Tumca arian adamianebi,<br />

romlebic sxvagvarad<br />

fiqroben da verc maT Seedavebi.<br />

anu, aq axla mTavari kiTxvaa _<br />

`kak Jit dalSe~ (rogor<br />

vicxovroT Semdeg) da Cemi azriT,<br />

mTavari marTlac es aris.<br />

_ erTi rame minda gkiTxo _<br />

marTalia, rom afxazi gogonebi,<br />

afxazeTSi Camosul Sua aziel<br />

`gasterbaiterebTan~ uRldebian<br />

da amis aRsakveTad lamisaa saxelmwifo<br />

aparatia mobilizebuli?<br />

_ oo, eg Zalian seriozuli<br />

problemaa! me ar vici, icnob Tu<br />

ara Sen, Jurnalist zaira cviSbas,<br />

magram ai, eg aris mag saqme-<br />

Si yvelaze kargad informirebuli.<br />

es `gaterbaiterebi~ mravalcolianobis<br />

momxreebi arian da<br />

Sen rom icode, erTma afxazurma<br />

ojaxma Tavisi qaliSvili<br />

afxazeTidan gaaZeva kidec, rogorc<br />

gvaris Semarcxveneli,<br />

radgan Camosul `gasterbaiters~<br />

gahyva colad... problemaa,<br />

ra Tqma unda, imitom, rom<br />

yazaxze gaTxovili qalis Svili<br />

afxazi ver iqneba, arada, demografiis<br />

TvalsazrisiT, es Zalian<br />

mniSvnelovania.<br />

_ CvenTan amboben imasac, rom<br />

afxazeTSi ieRovas mowmeTa Semosevaa<br />

da rom isini TavianT<br />

`mrevls~ dRiTidRe zrdian. mar-<br />

Tla asea? ho, CvenTan daibeWda<br />

isic, rom erT-erTi yvelaze aqtiuri<br />

ieRoveli, rus ieRovel-<br />

Ta `sulieri~ lideri _ grigori<br />

martinovi afxazuri xelisuflebis<br />

saerTaSoriso zewoliT<br />

imuqreba, ieRovelebs aviwroeben<br />

da afeTqebeno. anu, minda<br />

gkiTxo, bevrni arian isini tradiciul<br />

afxazeTSi?<br />

_ me ar damiTvlia, magram amboben,<br />

bevriao. vebrZviT, ra Tqma<br />

unda, yvelafers araafxazurs,<br />

sxvaTaSoris, e<strong>ge</strong>c erT-erTi im<br />

problemaTagania, romelzec Cveni<br />

saubris dasawyisSi giTxari...<br />

_ didi danaSaulia qarTvelebis<br />

da afxazebis omi, radgan<br />

dRes afxazeTSi ojaxs ver naxav,<br />

sadac an rZali, an siZe, anda<br />

bebia-babua ar iyos qarTveli.<br />

dRes? dResac asea, magram ufro<br />

da ufro viwrovdeba wre, anu<br />

omma es tradiciac nel-nela Camowera!<br />

(voina `etu tradiciu<br />

spisala) rac Zalian samwuxaroa...<br />

aba, kargad iyavi ira, vin<br />

icis, kidev rodis SevxvdebiT<br />

erTmaneTs, magram erTia _ ra<br />

situaciaSic ar unda SevxvdeT<br />

Cven erTmaneTs, mainc Zmebi viqnebiT,<br />

moswons Tu ara es vinmes<br />

meTanxmebi?<br />

_ asi procentiT. gkocni<br />

bevrs, momikiTxe yvela, visac<br />

vicnob.<br />

Zvirfaso mkiTxvelo! adamiani,<br />

romelic mesaubreboda bebiiT<br />

qarTvelia, magram is, upirvelesad,<br />

WeSmariti afxazia da<br />

dRevandel maT gasaWirzec imitom<br />

mesaubra gulaxdilad, rom<br />

stkiva Tavisi kuTxe, Tavisi ji-<br />

Sis nel-nela gaqrobis perspeqtiva,<br />

tradiciuli religiis Seviwroeba,<br />

demografiuli katas-<br />

trofa da rac yvelaze mTavaria<br />

_ stkiva is mogonebebi, romelic<br />

mSvid, ulamazes da kopwia<br />

afxazeTTan mTeli cxovreba<br />

akavSirebda. gana Cvenc ase ar<br />

varT?<br />

Cemi meore respondenti,<br />

afxazeTis de-faqto xelisuflebis<br />

pirveli piri aleqsandre<br />

anqvabia, romelTanac bolo satelefono<br />

saubari SarSan<br />

zafxulSi mqonda da romelsac<br />

guSinac siamovnebiT davureke,<br />

radgan Cemi afxazi megobrebis<br />

CamonaTvalSi igi erT-erTi pirvelia,<br />

visac vicnobdi da romelic<br />

Cemi Tbiliseli axloblebis<br />

baxaturiZeebis ojaxSi<br />

cxovrobda, vidre binas miscemdnen...<br />

dRes afxazeTSi visac darekva<br />

unda, yvelam icis, rom `bilainis~<br />

baraTi unda iyidos anu<br />

rusuli kompaniis da kodiT<br />

044, uproblemod daukavSirdeboda<br />

sasurvel abonents, magram<br />

adre afxazebi, (ufro zustad<br />

ki 2 wlis win) saqarTvelos<br />

kavSirgabmulobis sistemaSi iyvnen<br />

CarTuli da vidre Cvenma bedovlaTma<br />

parlamentma am `six-<br />

Siridan~ afxazeTis `amogdebas~<br />

ar miaRwia, ver moisvenes, raaa?<br />

hoda, viyide `bilainis karta~,<br />

avkrife nomeri da davelode...<br />

erTi zari gavida da ucbad gawyda<br />

signali.<br />

Cems kolega, soxumel Jurnalists<br />

Tengiz paWkorias gadavureke<br />

qalaqis telefoniT _ Tengo,<br />

kodi SecdomiT xom ar mikarnaxe,<br />

axla anqvabTan davreke,<br />

magram signali wydeba-Tqo da am<br />

dros, Cemma mobilurma dareka...<br />

davxede nomers da bolo cifrebiT<br />

mivxvdi, rom visTanac vrekavdi,<br />

is mirekavda aqeT...<br />

_ alo, Tqven darekeT am nomerze?<br />

_ ikiTxa Tavazianad.<br />

_ diax, gamarjoba alik, <strong>ge</strong>nacvale,<br />

ira var, gogosaSvili<br />

Jurnalisti Tbilisidan...<br />

_ ooo, zdrastvi iraCka,<br />

rogor xar?<br />

_ kargad, kargad, Sen rogor<br />

xar?<br />

_ ara miSavs, ram Segawuxa,<br />

riT <strong>ge</strong>msaxuro?<br />

_ ici, me komentari mindoda<br />

im teraqtebze, Senze rom ganaxorcieles,<br />

informacia eWvmitanilebze,<br />

cixeSi Tavi rom moikles<br />

im adamianebzec, magram vici,<br />

SenTvis uxerxuli iqneba am yvelafris<br />

komentireba da iqneb<br />

romelime gamomZieblis, anda policiis<br />

ufrosis telefoni momce,<br />

interviu rom Cavwero?<br />

_ es SeuZlebelia, Sen mar-<br />

Tali xar, me am Temaze komentars<br />

ar gavakeTeb, magram verc<br />

samarTaldamcvelebi <strong>ge</strong>tyvian<br />

rames...<br />

_ ratom? Zalian mokle komentarebi<br />

minda, erT saaTs ki ar<br />

gavabam laparaks... Zalian gTxov,<br />

ra?<br />

_ ira, saqme ZiebaSia, komentarebi<br />

am Temaze jer ar iqneba,<br />

gami<strong>ge</strong>?<br />

_ kargi ho, gavi<strong>ge</strong>, magram aq<br />

Zalian didi interesia am yvelafris<br />

gamo da vifiqre, imaze<br />

mets gavi<strong>ge</strong>bdi Sengan, vidre ambobdnen.<br />

radgan asea, sxva ra gza<br />

mrCeba? kargad iyavi da Tavs gaufrTxildi,<br />

naxvamdis.<br />

_ naxvamdis, ar <strong>ge</strong>wyinos, ubralod<br />

kanoni moiTxovs ase.<br />

kargad iyavi madloba zarisTvis.<br />

_ Sen madloba, Cemo kargo,<br />

rom ar icodi visTan gadmoreke,<br />

magram mainc, rom dareke imisTvis.<br />

ar icvlebi alik, isev ise-<br />

Ti xar, rogoric iyavi. aba, kargad...<br />

Zvirfaso mkiTxvelo! TiTqos<br />

araferi momxdara, ara? erTma<br />

adamianma meores gadaureka, ver<br />

miawvdina xma da im meore<br />

adamianma aqeT gadmoureka<br />

ucnob nomerze<br />

pirvel adamians, magram<br />

xom sakiTxavia, es adamiani<br />

moclilia, Zalian<br />

yuradRebiania Tu piriqiT,<br />

fexebze hkidia, vin<br />

urekavs?<br />

SeiZleba, vinmes ar<br />

esiamovnos, magram Cems<br />

SemTxvevaSi, arc meti<br />

da arc naklebi, afxaze-<br />

Tis de faqto prezidentma<br />

aleqsandre anqvabma<br />

gadmomireka da es maSin,<br />

roca Cemi telefonis nomeri<br />

misTvis absoluturad ucnobi<br />

iyo. anu, is ucnobi nomriT darekil<br />

da mis mobilurze dafiqsirebul<br />

yvela zars pasuxobs<br />

da es dameTanxmeT, rom mas rogorc<br />

pirovnebas Zalian kargad<br />

axasiaTebs. ra magis pasuxia da<br />

axlave SemiZlia Camovwero Cveni<br />

aTobiT parlamentaris, ministris,<br />

qalaqis meris da misi moadgileebis<br />

telefonebi, magram<br />

rezo amaSukelis mimarTva<br />

qarTvel xalxs!<br />

erTxel kidev vaZlev uflebas sakuTar<br />

Tavs, mivmarTo Cems xalxs, qveynis yvela<br />

gulSematkivars, yvela opoziciur partias _<br />

gaerTiandiT da ixseniT qveyana Savi Wirisgan.<br />

SegaxsenebT, rom gamalebulad mimdinareobs<br />

SeTqmuleba saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg, romelic<br />

saqarTvelos srul ganadgurebas isaxavs<br />

miznad. im saSineli, Seuracxmyofeli<br />

kadrebis Semdeg, rac, darwmunebuli var, mTelma<br />

msofliom naxa da rac moxda maxaTas<br />

mTaze, Cveni e.w. prezidenti wamliT gaTxle-<br />

Sili, yovelgvari zrdilobisa da saqcielis gareSe samRvdeloebis<br />

winaSe igrixeboda da Tvalebs ver axelda, am kadrebis naxvis<br />

Semdeg mainc unda dafiqrdes eri, vis abaria Cveni xvalindeli da<br />

dRevandeli dRe.<br />

aRaraferi qarTuli aRar arsebobs saqarTveloSi. bolos da<br />

bolos xom unda dasruldes saqarTveloSi bokeriebis, TevzaZeebis,<br />

ramiSvilebis, darCiaSvilebis, am garyvnilebis da gaTaxsirebulebis<br />

bogini? maTi <strong>ge</strong>gmiT xorcieldeba yvelaferi. ra rudunebiT<br />

xsnian profesiul saswavleblebs, xom xedavT? imitom, rom<br />

qarTvelebi mimtanebad, zeinklebad, mRebavebad, muSebad, monebad gamozardon.<br />

yvela xeloba dasafasebelia, magram magaT undaT saqar-<br />

Tvelo daaCoqon, mTeli saqarTvelo gaunaTlebeli iyos... yoveli<br />

dRe, yoveli wami amaTi boginis, niSnavs saqarTvelos ganadgurebas,<br />

ispoba buneba, nadgurdeba qarTuli suli da is umTavresi, ramac<br />

aqamde mogviyvana da gadagvarCina...<br />

movuwodeb yvelas, gaverTiandeT, davd<strong>ge</strong>T erTad, rom gadavar-<br />

CinoT saqarTvelo. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, pasuxism<strong>ge</strong>blobas vakisreb<br />

yvelas, dawyebuli politikosebidan, sazogado moRvaweebidan,<br />

damTavrebuli JurnalistebiT. aseve vakisreb pasuxism<strong>ge</strong>blobas yvela<br />

moqalaqes _ Tu am Semodgomaze saqarTvelo kidev erTxel damarcxdeba<br />

da Tu es mtarvalebi Tundac raime formiT darCebian<br />

xelisuflebaSi, TiToeuli Cvengani umkacres pasuxs a<strong>ge</strong>bs erisa<br />

da istoriis winaSe.<br />

Cemi mimarTva msurs davamTavro patriarqis, uwmindesisa da<br />

unetaresis ilia II-is sityvebiT: `ar daeceT, ar SedrkeT, ar SeuSindeT<br />

dros, ar dakargoT imedi RvTisa, imedi momavlisa~.<br />

gipasuxeben, rooo? aqeT gadmorekvas<br />

vin Civis. xom cnobilia,<br />

rom isini ucnob nomrebs saer-<br />

Tod ar pasuxoben?<br />

arada, eseni viTom qarTvelebi<br />

arian da anqvabi kidev mteri<br />

afxazi ara?<br />

ise, erTi ambavic minda movyve,<br />

romelic 1992 wlis 15 agvistos,<br />

anu afxazeTSi omis<br />

dawyebidan meore dRes moxda...<br />

afxazeTis yofili de faqto<br />

prezidenti, aw gardacvlili<br />

sergo baRafSi, afxazeTis dRevandeli<br />

de faqto prezidenti<br />

aleqsandre (alika) anqvabi da<br />

kidev erTi afxazi maRalCinosani,<br />

soxumSi CarCnen da gudauT-<br />

Si gadasvla ver moaxerxes. imitom,<br />

rom maTi sicocxle daculi<br />

yofiliyo, maSindelma afxazeTis<br />

uSiSroebis ministrma av-<br />

To ioselianma es sami adamiani<br />

Tavis saxlSi moaTavsa. cnobi-<br />

lia, rom avTo ioselians afxazebTan<br />

araCveulebrivi urTier-<br />

Tobebi hqonda da viRac `gulSematkivris~<br />

wyalobiT, afxazebma<br />

gudauTSi Seityves, rom zemoT-<br />

CamoTvlili adamianebi, swored<br />

masTan iyvnen dabinavebuli.<br />

mokled, ase iyo Tu ise, gudauTidan<br />

avTosTvis daurekavT<br />

_ `Cven `imis~ (igulisxmeba vl.<br />

arZinba _ i.g.) davalebiT vrekavT<br />

da gadaeciT magaT, (ba-<br />

RafSs, anqvabs da mesames) rom<br />

afxazebma moRalateebad gamoacxades<br />

da awi, Tavs nu Seiwuxeben<br />

aq CamosvliT~-o! au, av-<br />

TosTan saxlSi Turme iseTi ambavi<br />

amtydara, mters da avs...<br />

sawyali baRafSi Turme iatakze<br />

Cakecila, is mesame afxazi kedels<br />

urtyamda Tavs, moRalated<br />

gamomacxades da rogor vicocxloo?<br />

magram aleqsandre<br />

anqvabs Turme warbic ar Seuxria<br />

da avTosTvis uTqvams:<br />

`dai trupku, ia pogovariu<br />

snim~-o. avTosac miucia yurmili<br />

da... `ei, tipodonok, peredai `emu~<br />

(arZinbas) Cto ia zavtra<br />

priedu, a tam viasnetsia kto<br />

predatel a kto net, ponial?<br />

odnu puliu tebe zasunu vrot,<br />

a vtorogo tvoego naCalnika,<br />

esli takim duxom budete povtoriat<br />

o naSem predtelstve.<br />

vsio razgavor okonCen. Jdite! _<br />

ei, Sen, garewaro, gadeci imas<br />

(arZinbas) rom xval<br />

Camoval da mere gairkveva,<br />

vin aris moRalate<br />

da vin ara, gai<strong>ge</strong>?<br />

Tu ar SewyvetT<br />

moRalateebis Zaxils,<br />

erT tyvias Sen CagTxri<br />

pirSi, meores ki<br />

`magas~ `arZinbas~).<br />

laparaki davamTavre,<br />

morCa. melodeT. mokled,<br />

es ambavi me momiyva<br />

adamianma, romelic<br />

am dialogs Seeswro<br />

da romelic<br />

zemoTCamoTvlili afxazebis didi<br />

megobari iyo! es adamiani<br />

cocxalia, TbilisSia da mas<br />

qarTveli sazogadoebac kargad<br />

icnobs.<br />

sxvaTaSoris, guSin es adamiani<br />

imazec daviTanxme, rom omis<br />

droindel `samTavrobo kuluarebze~<br />

gulaxdilad isaubrebda<br />

<strong>`saerTo</strong> gazeTTan~ da Zvirfaso<br />

mkiTxvelo, garwmunebT, rom win<br />

bevri saintereso ram <strong>ge</strong>liT.<br />

irine gogosaSvili<br />

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8 saerTo gazeTi #20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

mxatvar vaxtang (valeriane)<br />

nodias Sesaxeb adrec<br />

mqonda ga<strong>ge</strong>buli Tamaz fifias<br />

wignidan `sisxliani kalo<br />

samegreloSi~, romelic batonma<br />

Tamazma daaxloebiT<br />

sami wlis win TviTon maCuqa<br />

warweriT.<br />

oriode dRis win qalbatoni<br />

nino fanqvelaSvili da<br />

Tamaz fifia redaqciaSi<br />

gvewvivnen. saubari qalbatonma<br />

ninom daiwyo:<br />

_ samsaxuridan saxlSi<br />

vbrundebodi, roca Cemma Zmam<br />

damireka, naxe, gazeTSi vaxoze<br />

dauweriaTo. quCaSi xom<br />

ver wavikiTxavdi, mivedi saxlSi,<br />

gadavSale da ras vxedav,<br />

Tvalebi damibnelda,<br />

momcvivdnen Svilebi... mTeli<br />

ori kvira udides stesSi viyaviT.<br />

is simware da ubedureba,<br />

rac vnaxeT, TiTqosda<br />

gagviaxlda. vaxo aseTi ar<br />

gvinaxavs, Svilebi patarebi<br />

iyvnen, me ar damiTvalierebia<br />

misi cxedari. miTxres, 12<br />

tyvia aqvs moxvedrilio.<br />

mklavi moaWreso. me<br />

ar SemeZlo amis naxva.<br />

_ rogorc cnobilia,<br />

Tqveni meuRlis<br />

mxecurad mokvlis<br />

mTavari mizezi imis<br />

garda, rom is abaSis<br />

raionSi zviad gamsaxurdias<br />

rwmunebuli<br />

iyo, gaxda is, rom man<br />

Seqmna naxati, sadac<br />

zviad gamsaxurdia<br />

ieso qristesTan er-<br />

Tad iyo gamosaxuli.<br />

_ Ramis 4 Tu 5<br />

saaTi iqneboda, xmaurze<br />

gameRviZa, amdgariyo<br />

vaxtangi da san-<br />

Tels anTebda xateb-<br />

Tan. ra mogivida-meTqi,<br />

rom vkiTxe, pasuxi<br />

ar gamca, iloca da mere<br />

miTxra: nino, zviadi damesizmrao.<br />

ra moxda mere, cudia,<br />

rom da<strong>ge</strong>sizmra-meTqi? Zalian<br />

ucnauri sizmari vnaxe, ar<br />

vici, sizmari iyo Tu gamocxadebao,<br />

miTxra, gaognebuli<br />

saxe hqonda. ori Tu<br />

sami Tvis Semdeg es naxati<br />

rom daamTavra, swored `ga-<br />

nino nino fanqvelaSvili: `ratom iRebdnen Cemi<br />

ubeduri qmris wamebas, gama<strong>ge</strong>bineT, an axla<br />

raSi dasWirdaT am saSinelebebis gaxseneba?~<br />

ratom mokles vaxtang nodia da ratom devnidnen mis ojaxs, ratom anadgurebdnen<br />

vaxtang nodias saflavs da vin iyo amaSi mTavari damnaSave? _ es kiTxvebi 20 wlis<br />

Semdegac pasuxgaucemeli rCeba. gamoZieba ar Catarebula. ojaxs represirebulis<br />

statusi ar miscemia...<br />

mocxadeba~ daarqva.<br />

ori erTnairi naxati<br />

Seqmna. erTi patara,<br />

erTi ufro didi. is<br />

didi suraTi loTi<br />

qobalias aqvs saxlSi.<br />

Tamaz fifia:<br />

zugdidSi sesiaze gadasca<br />

zviads es naxati<br />

vaxtangma, imxela suraTi<br />

iyo sam kacs Zlivs mohqonda.<br />

me TviTon veswrebodi sesias,<br />

roca vaxtangma Tqva _ am naxats<br />

sesias vuZRvni da mTel<br />

erovnul moZraobaso. es iyo<br />

erTgvari miniSneba, rom zviad<br />

gamsaxurdia ekliani gziT<br />

kvlav brundeboda CvenTan,<br />

saqarTveloSi.<br />

_ rom ikiTxeT, ra<br />

moxdao, ra giTxres,<br />

rogor, ra viTarebaSi,<br />

vin mokla Tqveni meuRleo,<br />

ra giTxres?<br />

nino fanqvelaSvili:<br />

_ loTi qobalia<br />

Zalian axlos iyo<br />

Cvens ojaxTan da lo-<br />

Tis vkiTxe, vin damRupa-meTqi<br />

da yvelafers<br />

gamoviZiebT, gamovikvlevT<br />

da damnaSaves davsjio,<br />

miTxra. erT Tbilisel<br />

Jurnalists gadauRia<br />

vaxtangis wameba<br />

da firze yvelas saxeebi<br />

Cans Turme, xelidan<br />

ver dagviZvrebiano, _<br />

meubneboda.<br />

_ Tqven sad cxovrobdiT<br />

qalbatono nino, zugdidSi?<br />

_ vcxovrobdiT loTi qobalias<br />

dis ojaxSi. kalandiebi<br />

iyvnen gvarad. didi saxli<br />

iyo da uamravi xalxi<br />

cxovrobda iq. naTesavebi,<br />

afxazeTidan devnilebi, vaxo<br />

meubneboda, bavSvebi devnilebis<br />

bavSvebs daaaxlove, maT-<br />

Tan iTamaSon, radgan samTavrobo<br />

jarebi adgilobrivebs<br />

ufro erCian, vidre devnilebso.<br />

imdeni bavSvi iyo,<br />

ezoSi sul Jriamuli idga<br />

xolme.<br />

_ diliT wavida Tqveni<br />

meuRle Tu vinmem moakiTxa?<br />

rogor iyo es ambavi, momiyeviT.<br />

_ diliT manqana akiTxavda<br />

vaxos, zugdidis centrSi<br />

iyo Stabi da iq mihyavda. im<br />

diliT daagviana dacvam. vaxom<br />

gamoiyvana mezoblis manqana<br />

da rom ar dagvianeboda,<br />

TviTon wavida StabSi. mere<br />

cota mogvianebiT kidevac<br />

movida dacvis manqana, magram<br />

bediswera iyo. dacva rom<br />

droze mosuliyo, SeiZleba,<br />

ar momxdariyo es ubedureba...<br />

Cemi qmari TviTon Seejaxa<br />

sikvdils...<br />

gavida dRe. daRamda. vaxo<br />

ar Canda. gaivso ezo xalxiT,<br />

raRacas laparakobdnen, magram<br />

megruli ar mesmoda da<br />

ar vicodi, ras laparakobdnen.<br />

Turme ukve ician, rom<br />

Cemi qmari mkvdaria. mere bav-<br />

Svma miTxra, qalebi tirian<br />

da mgoni, mamaze laparakobeno,<br />

gamovvardi, loTis coli<br />

iyo mosuli: ra xdeba, nelimeTqi,<br />

vkiTxe. vaxo dauWriaT<br />

da saavadmyofoSiao. mivediT<br />

da vnaxe vaxo...<br />

_ igive tansacmeli ecva,<br />

riTic wavida?<br />

_ SiSveli iyo. tyavis<br />

qurTuki, saaTi, fuli hqonda<br />

jibeSi blomad, manqanis<br />

xelosnisTvis misacemi.<br />

jvars atarebda. xeliT gake-<br />

Tebul xis jvars, isic ar<br />

ekeTa.<br />

_ xis jvari iyo xom?<br />

_ ki, xis iyo, 12 sm iqne-<br />

am naxatis SeqmnisTvis moaWres<br />

marjveana vaxtang nodias<br />

boda, Tavisi xeliT gakeTebuli.<br />

qriste iyo zed gamosaxuli,<br />

me mTxova, Savi Zafi<br />

gauyareo, gavukeTe yelze da<br />

mere aRar mouSorebia. sul<br />

sami aseTi jvari gaakeTa. er-<br />

Ti TviTon daitova, erTs<br />

zviads mivcem, erTs loTiso,<br />

Tqva.<br />

ukve micvalebuls aRar<br />

hqonda jvari. axla iwereba,<br />

TiTqos im Jurnalists keTe-<br />

bia, magram amas ver davamtkiceb,<br />

radgan arasdros minaxavs<br />

is biWi.<br />

Tamaz fifia: me televiziaSi<br />

vmuSaobdi karga<br />

xans. is biWi, daTo bolqva-<br />

Ze, ar vici, ar minaxavs, magram,<br />

rogorc CemTvis cnobilia,<br />

operatori iyo da ara<br />

Jurnalisti. visTan erTad,<br />

romel JurnalistTan erTad<br />

muSaobda, visi davalebiT mu-<br />

Saobda, es yvelaferi gamosa-<br />

Ziebelia, ar SeiZleba miTqmamoTqmis<br />

safuZvelze daskvnebis<br />

gakeTeba, dameTanmebiT,<br />

albaT.<br />

nino fanqvelaSvili:<br />

me ar minaxavs is biWi, Rmer-<br />

Tma naTelSi amyofos<br />

misi suli, magram Cemi<br />

ubeduri qmris wamebas<br />

rom iRebda, rad undoda,<br />

gama<strong>ge</strong>bineT, an raSi<br />

dasWirdaT axla am sa-<br />

Sinelebis gaxseneba?<br />

Tamaz fifia: me<br />

aravis ganvsji, magram<br />

Cems wignSic maqvs moxseniebuli<br />

siWinava, romelic<br />

Tavis 13 wlis<br />

gogos gadaefara, roca<br />

aupatiurebdnen da mokles.<br />

iq yofila is operatori<br />

da iRebda<br />

Turme amas.<br />

_ mere ar moZebneT<br />

is Jurnalisti?<br />

nino fanqvela-<br />

Svili: sanam davkrZalavdiT,<br />

meore dRes<br />

TviTon loTim miTxra,<br />

is Jurnalisti mouklavTo.<br />

saSinel dReSi<br />

Cavvardi, es iyo erTaderTi<br />

imedi, megona,<br />

ase gavi<strong>ge</strong>bdi Cemi qmris<br />

mkvlelebis saxelebs.<br />

magram loTi qobaliam<br />

damamSvida, miTxra, im<br />

kasetas mainc vipovi da<br />

gavarkvev yvelaferso.<br />

mokled, gavida dro, me<br />

im kasetis Sesaxeb araferi<br />

gamigia. aRarc mi-<br />

Zebnia, imitom rom ubedureba<br />

ubedurebas mosdevda<br />

da imdeni gaWirveba<br />

SegvemTxva me da<br />

Cems Svilebs, kaseta sul ar<br />

gamxsenebia.<br />

dasaflavebidan ramdenime<br />

xnis Semdeg TbilisSi davbrundiT.,<br />

Temqaze Cveni<br />

sacxovrebeli saxlidan yvelaferi<br />

pirwmindad gaqurduli<br />

dagvxvda. rogorc Cans,<br />

viRacam, roca gaigo, rom<br />

zviad gamsaxurdias mxardam-<br />

Weri da saqarTvelos moyvaruli<br />

kaci vaxtang nodia uk

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#20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

ve cocxali aRar iyo, pirdapir<br />

Seseodnen Cvens saxls da<br />

skami rom skamia, isic wae-<br />

RoT. saocaria, magram saxli<br />

saerTod carieli damxvda. mezoblis<br />

garaJidan Cemi qmris<br />

`nivac~ waeyvanaT ucnob pirebs.<br />

mezobeli miyveboda _ 12<br />

SeiaraRebuli kaci mogvadga _<br />

`niva~ unda waviyvanoTo da<br />

Cven winaaRmdegoba ver gavuwieTo.<br />

amasobaSi studqalaqis teritoriidan<br />

mogvadgnen _ vaxtangis<br />

saxelosnos angreven<br />

da mixedeT iqaurobaso.<br />

ra meqna? movkidebdi<br />

dilis 7 saaTze<br />

bavSvebs xels, SevidodiT<br />

saxelosnoSi da<br />

Ramemde iq viyaviT, mogvcvivdebodnen<br />

_ saxelmwifo<br />

universitets<br />

sWirdeba es teritoria<br />

da unda davangrioTo.<br />

gansakuTrebiT erTi kaci<br />

aqtiurobda, universitetis<br />

profesori.<br />

mokled, 20 dRe viareT<br />

me da bavSvebma,<br />

bulki da puri mimqonda,<br />

rom mTeli dRe mSieri<br />

ar yofiliyvnen da<br />

vdarajobdiT iqaurobas.<br />

saxelosno ki ar<br />

mindoda, me qmari momikles<br />

da is Senoba CemTvis<br />

mniSvnelovani imiT<br />

iyo, rom vaxtangis suli iq<br />

trialebda. yvelaze metad is<br />

mwyvetda guls, rom Zalian<br />

uyvarda iqauroba vaxtangs, iq<br />

hqonda asociacia `aisic~.<br />

saswaulebi gadamatares<br />

(tiris).<br />

mere, erT dilasac rom mivediT,<br />

iqauroba traqtoriT<br />

dagvxvda gadasworebuli, ise<br />

iyo ganiavebuli yvelaferi,<br />

erTi patara raRac rom a<strong>ge</strong>Ro<br />

da saxsovari dagrCenoda,<br />

isic ar iyo, xelisguliviT<br />

dagvxvda iqauroba.<br />

magram saxelosnos bed-iRbali<br />

raRa saintereso iyo,<br />

Cemi qmris sadisturi mkvleloba<br />

dRemde ar aris gamoZiebuli.<br />

_ qobalia xom dagpirdaT?<br />

_ amis mere loTi male daiWires.<br />

Tumca me mainc vcdilobdi<br />

am saqmis gamoZiebas.<br />

anzor baluaSvilTanac viyavi.<br />

_ ras <strong>ge</strong>ubnebodaT baluaSvili?!<br />

_ Tu eWvi loTis mxareze<br />

gaqvT, miviRebT Tqvens gancxadebas,<br />

Tu meore mxris mimarT<br />

gaqvT pretenziebi, unda daasabuToT<br />

es da bolos da bolos<br />

unda gqondeT gansazRvruli,<br />

romel mxares uCiviTo.<br />

rom mcodnoda, vin mokla<br />

Cemi qmari, baluaSvilTan ra<br />

mindoda, gamoZiebas viTxovdi,<br />

am saSineli danaSaulis Camdenebis<br />

gamoaaSkaraveba mindoda.<br />

baluaSvilma mosamarTlesTan<br />

gamgzavna, im mosamar-<br />

Tlem miTxra: es saomari moqmedebebis<br />

dros Cadenili<br />

mkvlelobaa da ver gamoviZieb-<br />

To.<br />

_ Tqven TviTon eWvi visze<br />

gqondaT?<br />

_ samTavrobo jarebma mokles<br />

Cemi qmari.<br />

baluaSvili rom<br />

meubneboda loTis mxarem<br />

xom ar moklao,<br />

loTis biWebi ratom<br />

moklavdnen, roca imaTi<br />

megobari iyo,<br />

loTisTan megobrobda,<br />

zviadis mxardam-<br />

Weri iyo. loTi qobalia<br />

Cvens gverdiT<br />

idga yovelTvis.<br />

gaxsenebac ki mzaravs, vaxtangis<br />

saflavi ramdenjerme<br />

dagvingries _ zugdidSi vaxo<br />

naTesavis sasaflaoze davkr-<br />

ZaleT, 8 Tvis Semdeg Tbilis-<br />

Si gadmovasveneT, radgan, me<br />

TbilisSi vcxovrobdi da ise-<br />

Ti gaWirveba iyo, xSirad saflavze<br />

verc CavdiodiT... TbilisSic<br />

gaWirda misi dasaflaveba,<br />

sasaflaoc ver gamoinaxa.<br />

mere avWalis sasaflaoze<br />

davasaflaveT.<br />

magram amiT ar damTavrebula<br />

yvelaferi, saflavis<br />

qvas iparavdnen, sasaflaos<br />

angrevdnen. bolos<br />

ubralod SemovragveT<br />

saflavi, yurdReba<br />

rom aravis mieqcia (tiris).<br />

absanZesac vTxove am<br />

saqmis gamoZieba, magram<br />

pasuxi erTi da igive<br />

momdioda _ ar eqvemdebreba<br />

gamoZiebaso!<br />

ratom gaxda problema<br />

am saqmis gamoZieba.<br />

ratom aravin dainteresda<br />

risTvis ar asvenebdnen<br />

am adamians arc<br />

cocxals da arc<br />

mkvdars.<br />

an is ra aris, gazeT-<br />

Si mTel gverdze rom<br />

dabeWdes _ sicrue #1, sicrue,<br />

#2, iqve Cemi qmris SemaZrwunebeli<br />

foto, sanam am<br />

werils vinme waikiTxavs, vaxtang<br />

nodia da sicrue ecema<br />

TvalSi. ratom midian aseT<br />

provokaciaze sxvisi ubedurebis<br />

xarjze?<br />

Tamaz fifia: werili<br />

`qronikaSi~, ZiriTadad, Cems<br />

wignze `sisxliani kalo samegreloSi~<br />

dayrdnobiT aris<br />

dawerili. arc me ar damkavSirebia<br />

Jurnalisti Tavis droze.<br />

am bolo dReebSi Semexmiana.<br />

dagirekavo. vnaxoT, albaT,<br />

damirekavs. me TviTon var<br />

bevri ambis momswre, rac Cems<br />

wignSi aris aRwerili da Tu<br />

simarTlis Tqma undaT, mec<br />

unda mkiTxon raime.<br />

iranda kalandaZe<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis eskorti policiam gaaCera<br />

dasavleT saqarTveloSi mimavali “qarTuli<br />

ocnebis” lideris biZina ivaniSvilis<br />

eskorti sapatrulo policiam TiTqmis er-<br />

Ti saaTiT Seayovna.<br />

momxdaris amsaxveli video masala<br />

Jurnalistma Salva ramiSvilma gaavrcela.<br />

adgilze viTarebis garkvevas dacvis<br />

wevrebTan erTad biZina ivaniSvilic Seecada.<br />

policielebma gaCerebis mizezad jer<br />

eqskortis ori manqanis gadamowmeba dasaaxeles,<br />

Tumca rodesac ivaniSvilma kiTxva<br />

dausva, Tu vin misca maTi gaCerebis<br />

brZaneba, policielebma ganacxades, rom<br />

brZaneba ar miuRiaT da eskorti gzaze<br />

araswori manevrirebis gamo daakaves.<br />

amis Semdeg ivaniSvili dainteresda, sagzao wesebis darRvevis gamo, avtomanaqanebis gaCerebas<br />

ori sapatarulo manqana ratom dasWirda.<br />

videomasalaSi Cans, rom vidre eskorti gaCerebulia, sapatrulo policiois TanamSromlebi mobiluri<br />

telefoniT rekaven da saubroben.<br />

daaxlebiT erTsaaTiani gaCerebis mere, eskortma gza ganagrZo.<br />

`medianiusi~<br />

saerTo gazeTi<br />

qveyana, romelic<br />

trampisken midis<br />

paata burWulaZis TaosnobiT maxaTaze saministro kompleqsis<br />

saZirkvelis Cayra da donald trampis Camofrena saeWvod<br />

mihyva erTmaneTs.<br />

jer burWulaZem umRera iavnana aSkarad `kaifSi~ myof saakaSvils,<br />

mogvianebiT ki trampma miubana _ Tqven rom prezidenti<br />

gyavT magisTana prezidenti aravis hyavs duniazeo.<br />

burWulaZem da trampma, rogorc Cans, erTdroulad da<strong>ge</strong>gmes<br />

es RonisZiebebi, rom saakaSvilis kargad Sebarbacebuli<br />

imiji rogorme gaemyarebinaT, Tumca burWulaZis Ronis-<br />

Ziebaze iseTi ram daemarTa saakaSvils, SeiZleba axla mis ke-<br />

Tilismyofels uSveri sityvebiT lanZRavdes _ Sen rom ar<br />

a<strong>ge</strong>Cemebina am kompleqsis mSenebloba es ambavi xom ar daemarTebodao.<br />

mister donaldma cotaTi gamoukeTa guneba nirwamxdar<br />

saakaSvils, Tumca maxaTas mTaze gadaRebuli saakaSvilis<br />

bancalis da milululi Tvalebis amsaxveli kadrebi samudamod<br />

darCeba istorias, rogorc utyuari argumenti imisa,<br />

rom prezidenti saakaSvilis fizikuri da fsiqikuri mdgomareoba<br />

Zalze mZimea da saswrafod saWiroebs gamocdili<br />

mkurnalis Carevas.<br />

koalicia `qarTuli ocnebis~ wevrebo, sxva argumenti ar<br />

gWirdebaT, aCveneT es kadrebi msoflios da yvelas gasagonad<br />

iyvireT _ gviSveleT!<br />

daanebeT Tavi arCevnebze laparaks! jer avadmyofi davabinavoT,<br />

Torem arCevnebic ukan mogvrCeba da es qveyanac.<br />

paata burWulaZis Canafiqri, maincdamainc saarCevno wels<br />

dakavSireboda kompleqsis mSeneblobisTvis saZirkvelis Cayra,<br />

ra Tqma unda, kargad gaTvlili piaria _ diadi mixeilis<br />

dros saZirkveli Caeyara saqarTvelos istoriaSi yvelaze<br />

didi kompleqsis mSeneblobas! dideba mixeil aRmaSenebels!<br />

razec narTaulad migvaniSna burWulaZem, trampma pirdapir<br />

Tqva da Riad mogviwoda qarTvelebs didi mixeilis mxardaWerisken.<br />

tramps ra enaRvleba, Tavis saxels yidis da amaSi, albaT,<br />

honorarsac iRebs, magram am Cvens saxelovan, am Cvens<br />

sayvarel momRerals paata burWulaZes ra rjis, fiandazad<br />

rom e<strong>ge</strong>ba Cakaifebul prezidents?<br />

eklesiebis, samonastro kompleqsebis mSenebloba saWiro<br />

da aucilebeli saqmea, magram roca qveyanaSi amdeni usaxlkaro,<br />

amdeni Rarib-Rataki, amdeni gaWirvebulia, xom ar<br />

sjobs, usaxlkaroTaTvis saxlebis mSeneblobaze, umweo avadmyofTaTvis<br />

saavadmyofoebis a<strong>ge</strong>baze, upatrono bavSvebis dapurebasa<br />

da Semosvaze ufro meti vifiqroT?<br />

cxonebulma oTar WeliZem Tqva: adamians SeuZlia Ria<br />

cisqveS ilocos, magram adamians ar SeuZlia Ria cisqveS<br />

icxovros.<br />

eh, vin aris am sityvebis Semsmeni, trampisken midis es<br />

qveyana, trampisken, _ rogorc batonma rezo amaSukelma<br />

Tqva...<br />

giorgi gamezardaSvili<br />

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10 saerTo gazeTi #20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

gvesaubreba parlamentari<br />

dimitri lorTqifaniZe:<br />

_ batono dimitri, saxalxo<br />

damcvelma penitenciarul sistemaSi<br />

arsebuli Sokismomgvreli<br />

angariSi gamoaqveyna. parlamentma<br />

ki igi ubralod `cnobad<br />

miiRo~. ase kargad gvaqvs cixeebSi<br />

saqme, rom cnobad miRebis<br />

garda sxva reagireba saWiro<br />

araa? rogoria iq Seqmnili realoba?<br />

_ cixeebSi adamianebis mimarT<br />

mopyrobis kuTxiT araferi<br />

Secvlila, piriqiT, viTareba<br />

sagrZnoblad damZimda. `daixvewa~<br />

meTodebi, riTac adamianebs<br />

uswordebian da am `efeqturi<br />

instrumentis~ meSveobiT isini<br />

iseT kondiciamde mihyavT, rom<br />

maT biujetis sasar<strong>ge</strong>blod saproceso<br />

SeTanxmebaze wasvla<br />

uwevT. magram terorizmis braldebiT<br />

dakavebuli yolbaia, romelic<br />

koWoias saxeliTaa cnobili,<br />

mis mier micemuli Cvenebebis<br />

dadasturebaze kategoriul<br />

uars acxadebs. igi asaxelebs garemoebebs,<br />

pirebs, vinc mas awamebdnen<br />

da igi wamebis SemaZrwunebel<br />

meTodebze saubrobs. yolbaias<br />

fexebi daucxriles, mas<br />

rva natyviari aqvs. erT-erT<br />

natyviarSi saweri kalami gauyares<br />

da ise awamebdnen. mimarTaven<br />

wamebis araadamianur meTodebs,<br />

raTa adamians is aRiarebinon,<br />

rac ar Caudenia. dRes, faqtobrivad<br />

1937 weli gvaqvs _ adamianis<br />

sicocxles fasi ar aqvs<br />

da saxelmwifo, Cinovnikebi sakuTari<br />

strategiuli miznebis<br />

miRwevis sababiT, faqtobriv terors<br />

axorcieleben.<br />

_ am yvelaferze Cvens<br />

`strategiul partniorebs~ ra<br />

mosazrebebi aqvT?<br />

_ CemSi, rogorc uflebadamcvelSi<br />

yvelaze did aRSfoTebas<br />

swored is faqti iwvevs,<br />

rom saerTaSoriso sazogadoeba<br />

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#20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi<br />

Tebis ualternativo formebze,<br />

razec sazogadoeba aRSfoTebas<br />

ver malavs _ es pirdapir bmaSia<br />

adamianis uflebebTan. es xom unda<br />

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angariSSi?! saxalxo damcvelis<br />

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Ti is, rom Tu sxva qveyneb-<br />

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swored Cveni mtris xelSia.<br />

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magaliTio _ daJinebiT<br />

moiTxova prezidentma. unda<br />

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ar dauSlia. ungreTSi ruseTma,<br />

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_ gvamcno `fenomenaluri~<br />

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Sexarbebia da saswrafod, ivenkos<br />

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ar uTqvams, magram igulisxma<br />

_ adre Tu rusebis lozungi<br />

`davewioT da mivbaZoT<br />

aSS-s~ iyo, axla isini ukve yvelaze<br />

ganviTarebul qveyanas _<br />

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Ti anekdoti gamaxsenda _ komunistebis<br />

lozungi: `davewioT<br />

da gavuswroT aSS-s~ _ gurulma<br />

rom moismina, ikiTxa: ro gauswroT<br />

Zama da ai daxeuli<br />

Sarvali gamogviCndes, mere ra<br />

vqnaTo?...<br />

Tamar SveliZe<br />

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12 saerTo gazeTi #20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

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_ me, piradad, mTavrobis<br />

mxridan vxedav iseT nabijebs,<br />

saidanac aSkaraa, rom maT am<br />

safrTxis Sesaxeb araferi ician.<br />

im SemTxvevaSi ra vuyoT amden<br />

hess, Tu wyali ar gveqneba.<br />

_ ras niSnavs wyali aRar<br />

gveqneba?<br />

_ prognozi, romelic gakeTebulia,<br />

maT Soris saqarTveloSi<br />

Cveni mecnierebis mier.<br />

msoflioSi mtknari wylis<br />

raodenoba seriozulad klebulobs<br />

da SeiZleba dagvrCes mxolod<br />

aSenebuli hesebi wylis<br />

gareSe.<br />

miranda nabaxteveli

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#20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

qarTuli politikuri<br />

speqtri da Cveni sazogadoebac,<br />

rogorc Cans, Zalian<br />

gulubryvilo da miamitia,<br />

romelsac dRemde sjera,<br />

rom erT mSvenier dRes vano<br />

merabiSvili daiWers mixeil<br />

saakaSvils, gakoWavs,<br />

xelborkils daadebs, specialurad<br />

saakaSvilisTvis<br />

gakeTebul rkinis galiaSi<br />

Casvams da `Tavisuflebis<br />

moedanze~ `dadgams~, rom<br />

gamvlel-gamomvlelebma aginon,<br />

afurTxon, laye kvercxebi<br />

esrolon da amiT moilbon<br />

da moiTbon araerTgzis<br />

mwared natkeni guli.<br />

TiTqosda xumrobas hgavs<br />

es yvelaferi, rasac axla<br />

vambobT, magram mTeli<br />

ubedureba isaa, rom politikuri<br />

speqtrisa da sazogadoebis<br />

erT nawils marTlac<br />

seriozulad sjera,<br />

rom es SesaZlebelia moxdes<br />

da kargma merabiSvilma<br />

cudi saakaSvili gaskvanCos.<br />

am Temaze saubari ukve<br />

ramdenime welia intensiurad<br />

midis da politikuri<br />

procesebis kvaldakval xan<br />

mZafrdeba, xan daviwyebas<br />

eZleva.<br />

gasaocari is aris, rom<br />

merabiSvilis mier saakaSvilis<br />

daWeras SesaZleblad<br />

miiCneven iseTi adamianebic<br />

ki, romelTa gonierebasa da<br />

inteleqtSi eWvi aravis<br />

epareba.<br />

ase, magaliTad, 2007-<br />

2008 sazogadoebrivi organizacia<br />

`qarTuli akademia~,<br />

romelic udaod inteleqtualuri<br />

adamianebiT aris<br />

dakompleqtebuli, opoziciur<br />

Zalebs mTeli seriozulobiT,<br />

xSirad akademiuri<br />

toniT urCevda, saprotesto<br />

aqciebis paralelurad<br />

aucileblad miemarTa vano<br />

merabiSvilisTvis TxovniT,<br />

rom is qarTvel sazogadoebas,<br />

qarTvel xalxs daxmareboda<br />

saakaSvilis `ganeitralebaSi~<br />

da iqve gamoTqvamda<br />

rwmenas, rom merabiSvili<br />

opoziciisa da qar-<br />

Tveli xalxis Txovnas<br />

gulTan axlos miitanda da<br />

kontrolidan gamosuli saakaSvilis<br />

mosaTokad yvela<br />

zomas miiRebda.<br />

msgavsi suliskveTebis<br />

gamomxatveli mosazrebebi<br />

ara marto `qarTul akademias~,<br />

sxvebsac bevrjer gamouTqvamT.<br />

sazogadoebidan wamosul<br />

am mesijebs Tan sdevda Worebi<br />

imis Sesaxeb, rom saakaSvilsa<br />

da merabiSvils<br />

Soris Savma katam gairbina,<br />

rom merabiSvils ar endobian<br />

da samTavrobo sxdomebsac<br />

ki ar aswreben, rom merabiSvili<br />

ar eTanxmeba xelisuflebis<br />

mier miRebul<br />

gadawyvetilebebs mitin<strong>ge</strong>bis<br />

da aqciebis darbevis<br />

Taobaze, rom merabiSvili<br />

represiuli zomebis winaaRmdegia<br />

da a.S.<br />

Zneli saTqmelia, Segnebulad<br />

avrcelebdnen am xmebs,<br />

rom zemoTnaxsenebi mosazrebebisTvis<br />

Sesaferisi<br />

foni da meti damajerebloba<br />

miecaT, Tu es Worebi da<br />

merabiSvilTan elCebis gagzavnis<br />

momxreTa interviuebi<br />

da publikaciebi uSualod<br />

droSi emTxveoda am<br />

Worebis gavrcelebas, magram<br />

faqti faqtia _ yovelive<br />

es ara spontanur,<br />

aramed kargad da<strong>ge</strong>gmil piarkampanias<br />

hgavda xolme,<br />

romelic sinamdvileSi saprotesto<br />

ganwyobis Senelebas<br />

da Cacxrobas ufro emsaxureboda,<br />

vidre saakaSvi-<br />

<strong>ixileT</strong> <strong>`saerTo</strong> <strong>gazeTi~</strong><br />

<strong>internetSi</strong><br />

<strong>www</strong>.<strong>saertogazeti</strong>.<strong>ge</strong><br />

SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-ze<br />

daiWers Tu ara<br />

vano merabiSvili<br />

mixeil saakaSvils?<br />

lis xelisuflebidan Camo-<br />

Sorebis realur <strong>ge</strong>gmas.<br />

bolo wlebis ganmavlobaSi,<br />

roca sul ufro radikaluri<br />

da ukompromiso<br />

xdeboda moTxovna saakaSvilis<br />

xelisuflebidan wasvlis<br />

aucileblobis Sesaxeb,<br />

paralelurad xalxSi vrceldebodaoptimisturi<br />

Seferilobis<br />

imediani gancxadebebi,<br />

rom saakaSvils<br />

male waiyvanen, Tumca<br />

gadioda dro<br />

da arc saakaSvili<br />

mihyavda vinmes da<br />

arc arsebuli situacia<br />

icvleboda<br />

ukeTesobisken.<br />

saakaSvilis wamyvanad<br />

yovelTvis<br />

erTi da igive subieqti<br />

saxeldeboda _<br />

amerikis SeerTebuli<br />

Statebi, romelic,<br />

rogorc mavanni<br />

da mavanni irwmunebodnen,<br />

saakaSvils aravi-<br />

Tar SemTxvevaSi ar apatiebda<br />

Turme demokratiuli<br />

normebisgan gadaxvevis araerT<br />

faqts, araerT mcire<br />

Tu did danaSauls da a.S.<br />

rac ar unda gasakviri<br />

iyos, amgvari tipis gancxadebebs,<br />

xSir SemTxvevaSi,<br />

egreTwodebuli Seuri<strong>ge</strong>beli<br />

da radikaluri opoziciis<br />

warmomad<strong>ge</strong>nlebi ake-<br />

Tebdnen metwilad, romlebic<br />

zogjer saakaSvilis<br />

wayvanis `zust~ TariRebsac<br />

ki asaxelebdnen.<br />

am mxriv gansakuTrebiT<br />

didi aqtiurobiT batoni<br />

Salva naTelaSvili gamoir-<br />

Ceoda, romelic qarTvel<br />

xalxs Cveuli damajereblobiT<br />

da kategoriuli<br />

toniT umtkicebda, rom saakaSvils<br />

dRes Tu ara xval<br />

mainc, yovel mizezgareSe,<br />

usityvod da ulaparakod,<br />

mohkidebda xels qeCoSi aSS<br />

da waiyvanda.<br />

asaxelebdnen Tanamdebobebsac<br />

ki, romlebic aqedan<br />

wayvanili saakaSvilisTvis<br />

unda SeeTavazebinaT.<br />

ase keTdeboda imedi _<br />

arafrismomcemi, fuWi, yalbi,<br />

dro ki gadioda da<br />

drois gayvanis taqtikas mavanTa<br />

da mavanTa mier SeTzxuli<br />

saakaSvilis wayvanis<br />

warmtaci da mimzidveli<br />

le<strong>ge</strong>nda kidev ufro amagrebda<br />

da amtkicebda.<br />

saerTo gazeTi<br />

Zneli saTqmelia, fsiqologiuri<br />

zombirebis da<br />

mzakvruli piarteqnologiuri<br />

meTodebis romel saidumlo<br />

laboratoriaSi iTxzveboda<br />

es zRaprebi, isic<br />

Zneli saTqmelia, ratom maincdamainc<br />

es e.w. radikaluri<br />

opozicia hyveboda<br />

xalxSi am zRaprebs namdvili<br />

ambaviviT, isic sainteresoa,<br />

gaucnobiereblad,<br />

emociebze dayrdnobiT Tu<br />

Segnebulad da mizanmimar-<br />

Tulad akeTebda amas opozicia?<br />

ase Tu isea, am zRaprebiT<br />

didxans, Zalian didxans<br />

Seiqcies qarTveli<br />

xalxi, romelic daarwmunes,<br />

rom saWiro ar iyo didi<br />

Tavgamodeba da Tavganwirva,<br />

mis gasakeTebel saqmes<br />

an merabiSvili gaakeTebda,<br />

an aSS, an evrokavSiri,<br />

an gaero, an ruseTi...<br />

rac Seexeba merabiSvils,<br />

is imdenad Wkviani kacia,<br />

rom arc uaruyvia odesme<br />

misi saxelis garSemo agorebuli<br />

es skandaluri xmebi.<br />

is dumilis uflebas<br />

inarCunebs, radgan icis,<br />

rom dumili, am SemTxvevaSi,<br />

bajaRlo oqroa.<br />

da bolos, Znelia politikosi<br />

uwodo adamians,<br />

romelsac seriozulad sjera,<br />

rom, gnebavT, vano merabiSvili,<br />

gnebavT, nebismieri<br />

sxva vinme saxelisuflebo<br />

struqturebidan Ti-<br />

Tis dakarebas gabedavs saa-<br />

kaSvilisTvis, sanam amis nebarTva<br />

da dasturi `zemodan~<br />

ar iqneba.<br />

Cven, faqtobrivad, koloniuri<br />

qveyana varT da<br />

aseTi qveynis romelime ma-<br />

RalCinosani verasodes gabedavs<br />

sakuTari iniciativiT<br />

da sakuTari pasuxism<strong>ge</strong>blobiT<br />

Secvalos qveyana-<br />

Si arsebuli politikuri<br />

situacia da am nabijiT<br />

metropoliis nebis winaaRmdeg<br />

wavides.<br />

giorgi<br />

gamezardaSvili<br />

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14 saerTo gazeTi #20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

`liberalizmze~, igive `liberastobaze~<br />

saubari (rogorc sazogadoebaSi<br />

Searqves), dRes iseve<br />

modurac iqca, rogorc `evropelobaze~,<br />

`natosa~ da civilizebulobaze<br />

saubari. `liberali~<br />

ilia WavWavaZec iyo, Tumca arc<br />

iliasTan, arc me-19 saukunis sapatio<br />

liberali moRvaweebis liberalur<br />

principebTan da TavisuflebasTan<br />

`dRevandel liberalobas~<br />

saerTo araferi aqvs.<br />

klasikuri ga<strong>ge</strong>biT, liberalizmis<br />

politikuri filosofia<br />

konstituciiT gansazRvrul adamianis<br />

uflebebs icavs. is arsebul<br />

saxelmwifoebsa da mTavrobebs,<br />

konstituciiTve gansazRvruli<br />

im morraluurri uufflebebis dacvas<br />

avaldebulebs, romelic pirrad<br />

avtonomiasa da sxva pirrebis saxelmwiffos<br />

Zalauufflebisgan dacvas,<br />

kerrZo sakuuTrrebisa da ekonomikuurri<br />

politikis Tavisuuffal<br />

konkuurrencias guulisxmobs. esaa<br />

“klasikuri liberalizmis”<br />

birTvi da ara seqsualuri umciresobebis<br />

uflebebis aqtiuri<br />

dacva, sarwmunoebis daknineba,<br />

romelsac didi grantebiT<br />

dafinansebuli rigi arasamTavrobo<br />

organizaciebi, gamocemebi<br />

da pirovnebebi ewevian.<br />

“piradi avtonomiac” (isev<br />

fulis gamo) mxolod “seqsualuri<br />

umciresobebis avtonomiad”<br />

iqna aRqmuli. WeSmariti<br />

liberaluri faseulobebisgan<br />

gansxvavebiT, “globalizaciis<br />

mesveurTagan” Semogdebuli<br />

“qarTveli leberastebis” politikac,<br />

ZiriTadSi, samociqulo<br />

marTlmadideblur eklesiasTan<br />

xan faruli, xan Ria<br />

brZolis fonze da sazogadoebrivi<br />

azris ugulebelyofaSi vlindeba.<br />

arada “demokratia” swored<br />

umravlesobis azris gaTvaliswinebas<br />

rom gulisxmobs da ara piriqiT<br />

_ “demokratiis mebairaxtre<br />

liberatsebs” ar esmiT? gamodis<br />

“aseTi liberalizmic”- umciresobis<br />

azris umravlesobisTvis<br />

Tavsmoxvevac _ demokratia ar yofila<br />

da “liberalistebi” tyuian!<br />

“liberastobis” Temaze mediiT<br />

gamarTul tele-gadacemebsac Tavisi<br />

mizani aqvs. calke Temaa amar-<br />

Tlebs Tu ara! telekompania “maestros”<br />

“pirdapiri saubrebis”<br />

rubrikis wamyvani eka beriZec am<br />

Temaze Jurnal “liberalis” redaqtoris<br />

Sorena SaverdaSvilis<br />

statiiT da patriarqis bolo<br />

epistoleze misi mosazrebiT dainteresda.<br />

SaverdaSvilis statiiT,<br />

“is rac Cemia”_ mec davinteresdi.<br />

bavSvobis “gulwrfel” mogonebeTan<br />

erTad, wavikiTxavT<br />

“(fokaSi) weliwadnaxevris win<br />

stumrobam “Tavdayira daayena yvela<br />

stereoptipi, riTac manamde<br />

yofila Sorena Sepyrobili”. rodesac<br />

“gapyrobili Sorenas” azrovnebaSi<br />

“mogvianebiT, roca<br />

ucodinrobasTan erTad, saqmeSi<br />

inteleqtualuri wiaRsvlebi Cer-<br />

To, gaqra SegrZnebebic da eklesia<br />

gaxda institucia, gaunaTlebeli<br />

da uweso mRvdlebi da bevri xiluli<br />

farisevloba. . . da Semdegi<br />

9 weli, sakuTar jvriswerasa<br />

da ramdenime naTlobas Tu ar Cav-<br />

TvliT, eklesiaSi fexic ki ar<br />

Semcdenia (magram jvari mainc dauweria!<br />

_(b.a.) .”warbSeuxrelad<br />

vamxeldi imas, rac ar momwonda,<br />

ukve Jurnalebis furclebidan.. .<br />

.eklesia iyo gaunaTlebeli, eklesia<br />

ifarebda farisevlebs, eklesia<br />

ibrZoda ZalauflebisTvis, eklesia<br />

mfarvelobda nacionalizms,<br />

eklesia qada<strong>ge</strong>bda karCaketilobas<br />

da uRvivebda mrevls axlis miu-<br />

Reblobasa da uamrav fobias. . .<br />

mokled qarTuli eklesiaa, Cemi<br />

sazogadoebis Sorenizacia,<br />

anu `granti maCvene da<br />

liberastobas me gaCvenebo~<br />

Rrma rwmeniT, “ukan eqaCeboda win<br />

mimaval qveyanas, aferxebda progress”.<br />

(Tumca ki axlaRa vxvdebi,<br />

rogori bundovani warmod<strong>ge</strong>na<br />

mqonda imaT progresulobaze,<br />

vinc megona, rom am qveyanas win<br />

miaqanebda”). “bundovaneba gaifanta”<br />

da “inteleqtualuri wiaRsvlebiT”<br />

aRmoaCina sad yofila<br />

“fobiebis bude”? vin uSilis<br />

xels “axal qarTvels” “pederas-<br />

tiis progresulobis” ga<strong>ge</strong>baSi,<br />

“am progresisken win mimaval” qveyanas<br />

“vin eqaCeba ukan”?! _ samociqulo<br />

marTlmadidebluri eklesia<br />

da sazogadoebis umravlesoba!<br />

am `liberastebs~ adamianur qar-<br />

Tul enaze azrebis gadmocema rom<br />

uWirT da “wiaRsvlebiTa da maRali<br />

materiebiT rom “gveintelqtualebian”,<br />

magaTi kidev erTi<br />

ubedureba amaSia!<br />

wamyvanma gadacema partiarqis<br />

epistoleTi da ori mxaris dapirispirebaze<br />

saubriT daiwyo, magram<br />

epistoledan am kuTxiT partiarqis<br />

yvelaze mniSvnelovani<br />

mosazreba ar moiyvana: “sekularizaciis<br />

mimdevrebma win wamowies<br />

cru Tavisuflebis idea, zneoba<br />

saerTod CamoaSores mas da bolos<br />

ukve aseTi principi wamoayenes:<br />

“rac msurs, yvelaferi bunebrivia,<br />

dasaSvebia da misaRebia!” es<br />

niSnavs, rom borotebac misaRebia<br />

da amaSi cudi araferia! aseTi<br />

cxovrebis filosofia erT mniSvnelobas<br />

aniWebs yvela ideasa da<br />

Sexedulebas, RirebulebaTa yvela<br />

sistemas da adamians nebismieri<br />

arCevanis gamarTlebas sTavazobs”!<br />

yvelaze mTavari ki es iyo! “aseTi<br />

progresuli” statiis avtor Sorenasac,<br />

romelic Turme “epistoleebs<br />

saerTod ar kiTxulobs”,<br />

gadacemaSi misvlis winac ratom<br />

gauCndeboda epistoles gadakiTxvis<br />

survili. Sedegad, gadacemaSi<br />

dasmul bevr SekiTxvazec arc pasuxi<br />

gaaCnda. an man rad iTava, an<br />

wamyvanma ratom mianiWa mas or dapirispirebul<br />

mxares Soris “momri<strong>ge</strong>beli<br />

mosamarTlis” roli? an<br />

mxolod fondi `Ria sazogadoeba_<br />

saqaTvelos~ grantis damsaxurebiT<br />

`gacnobadebuli~ SaverdaSvilis<br />

mosazreba sazogadoebis<br />

didi nawilisTvis esoden `kompetenturi~<br />

ratom unda gamxdariyo?<br />

respondentis mowvevis mizezic<br />

(albaT) “liberalis” redaqtoris<br />

bolo statia da eklesiaze<br />

misi Sexedulebebic gaxda, ro-<br />

melic Turme “yvelgan da yvelaferSi<br />

stereotipebis arsebobas<br />

gauRizianebia da azrrovnebis saSuualebiT,<br />

(rasakvirvelia, grantis<br />

gamo, radgan ver gai<strong>ge</strong>bdi, risi<br />

Tqma surda, aqeTac moedo da iqe-<br />

Tac _ b.a.) cdilobs rraRacis<br />

Secvlas”. “antagonistur tusovkebad<br />

dayofil sazogadoebas erTmaneTis<br />

ga<strong>ge</strong>ba aklia. Camoyalibda<br />

TiTqos qvaze naWedi umravlesobis<br />

stereotipi da umciresoba”,<br />

romelsac Turme es<br />

“saSineli umravlesoba”<br />

Cagravs donorisadmi gzavnilis<br />

arsic _ naxe, ra<br />

kargi gogo varo iyo: Tu<br />

“aris mCagvreli da daCagruli”_<br />

aris problemac.<br />

raSic didi grants iZlevian!<br />

gadacemis wamyvanic ar<br />

dainteresda: “raSi gamoxateba<br />

umciresobis eseodeni<br />

Cagvra”?. imaSi, rom sazogadoebis<br />

umravlesoba pederastiisa<br />

da garyvnilebis<br />

gadaxril gamovlinebas ar<br />

iwonebs?<br />

“liberastebad” da ”stereotipebis<br />

msxverplebadac”, imisTvis<br />

ar xdebian, rom am “msxverplSewirvaSi”<br />

Zalian did fuls iZlevian?<br />

sabednierod, veravin davobs<br />

imaze, rom miuxedavad “liberast-<br />

Ta” araerTgzis mcdelobisa, eklesiis<br />

reitingi mainc yvela instituciisas<br />

uswrebs. sazogadoebac<br />

didi gulisyuriT, swored<br />

uwmindesisa da untaresis _ ilia<br />

II-is epistoleebs elodeba xolme.<br />

patriarqis epistoleebic, saxelmwifoSi<br />

gatarebuli uzneo<br />

da antisaxelmwifoebrivi gadawyvetilebis<br />

“maTraxi” araerTxel<br />

gamxdara. winaarCevno politikuri<br />

cvlilebebis molodinSi ki sazogadoebisTvis<br />

gansakuTrebulad<br />

saintereso bolo _ saaRdgomo<br />

epistole iyo. sityva `liberalis~<br />

gamoyenebac Zaladobrivad<br />

iqna moparuli da gamoyenebuli<br />

maT mier, romelTac Segnebulad<br />

daamaxinjes am sityvis mniSvneloba.<br />

warsulSi sityva ”liberalurs”,<br />

principuli azrovnebisa<br />

da saxelmwifoebrivi mmarTvelobiT<br />

xmarobdnen. “konstituciur<br />

respublikanizms” emxrobodnen da<br />

ara pederastobis, lesboselobisa<br />

da aRviraxsnilobis legalizacas,<br />

romelic jer ojaxis, Semdeg ki<br />

saxelmwifoebriobis safuZvlebsac<br />

aryevs. “ilias liberalizmic”<br />

“xmlis, guTanisa da gvirgvinis<br />

saqarTvelo” im “konstituciuri<br />

monarqiis” momxreoba iyo,<br />

romlis xsenebac “gvelis nakbeniviT”<br />

aSinebT sekularizmis momxreebs.<br />

bevr “liberasts” pederastad<br />

an lesboselad yofna Tavadac ar<br />

surs! Sorenam aRniSna: “Cven xSirad<br />

gviyvars, gansakuuTrrebiT inteleqqtuualebs,<br />

saubari. . .. adamianebTan,<br />

rromlebTanac me maqqvs<br />

Sexeba da uurrTierrToba, arrian Zalian<br />

ganaTlebuulebi da prrogrresuulebi.<br />

cdiloben TviTonve ipovon<br />

prroblemis gadawyvetis gzebi<br />

da es gasa<strong>ge</strong>bia”. anu “liberast-<br />

Ta” azric apriorSi sazogadoebisTvisac<br />

“gamorCeulad misaRebi”<br />

unda iyos! vinc perderastias<br />

da garyvnilebas “uflebebis dacvad”<br />

ar miviCnevT, “Sorenebis” ga<strong>ge</strong>baSi<br />

“regresulebad da gaunaTleblebad”<br />

gamoviyurebiT! aseTi<br />

“miniSnebiTi Seuracxyofa” ki<br />

arc “uflebebis darRvevad” da<br />

arc umciresobisgan umravlesobis<br />

diqtatad aRiqmeba! xelisuflebis<br />

“araliberalobazec” araerTi<br />

miniSneba gakeTda! religiis<br />

antisaxelmwifoebrivi kanonis mi-<br />

RebaSi ki xelisulebisa da “liberalebis”<br />

Tanmxvdomi poziciis-<br />

Tvis _ amas xeli ar SeuSlia!<br />

“vinc aris am xelisuflebis mexotbe<br />

da liberali, daarRvia es<br />

stereotipi, rom xelisufleba<br />

aris liberalurio”_ faqti mainc<br />

jiutia. xelisufleba ara marto<br />

“liberasti”, “piarastic” aris!<br />

yvela SekiTxvaze erTi pasuxic_<br />

“aqac informaciis naklebobaa”.<br />

SekiTxvazec: “situaciidan gamosavali,<br />

informaciis nakleboba<br />

rom moixsnas, erTmaneTis Seswavlaa<br />

saWiroo?”, kvlav gaurkveveli,<br />

abdaubda pasuxi gasca: “agrresiasa<br />

da Seuurracxyoffas adamianebi<br />

vavlenT, rrodesac rraRac arr gvesmis”.<br />

_ Temis srul ucodinrobaze<br />

da mxolod grantis gamo “liberastobiT”<br />

dainteresebaze metyvelebda.<br />

xelisuflebisa da eklesiis<br />

religiis TemiT spekulirebaSi<br />

Tanabrad dadanaSaulebac<br />

xelisuflebisTvis “sodomizmis”<br />

mxardaWeris acilebis erTgvari<br />

fandi iyo, radgan saxelisuflebo<br />

mediapolitika ki srulebiT<br />

sawinaaRmdegoze metyvelebs! “am<br />

spekulirebis didostati aris<br />

<strong>ixileT</strong> <strong>`saerTo</strong> <strong>gazeTi~</strong><br />

<strong>internetSi</strong><br />

<strong>www</strong>.<strong>saertogazeti</strong>.<strong>ge</strong><br />

SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-ze<br />

xelisufleba da eklesiac gadasarevad<br />

iyenebs xolme amas”. Tavic<br />

gayida da “liberalTa” WeSmariti<br />

arsic _ garyvnilebasTan mebrZoli<br />

marTlmadidebluri eklesiisadmi<br />

mtruli ganwyobac veRar<br />

damala! “inteleqtualma SaverdaSvilma”<br />

verc imas upasuxa: ”ra<br />

unda iRonos am dayofilma mxareebma<br />

Tu maT Soris dialogi<br />

kvlavac ar Sedga”?. mTeli gadacema<br />

misgan “mSvidobis mtredis”<br />

imijis Seqmnas mieZRvna. eklesiac,<br />

umravlesobaca da “liberalebic”<br />

erTmaneTze qilikSi amxila da<br />

mTeli erTi saaTi mxolod imis<br />

axsnas moandoma, rogori gansxvavebulia<br />

es ori mxare erTmaneTisgan.<br />

misi saaTiani tiradis gare-<br />

Se, sazogadoebam, etyoba, es ar<br />

icoda! “simarTlisTvis mebrZol<br />

da kompleqsuri realobis garkvevis<br />

mosurne” redaqtoris “maxvil<br />

Tvals” statiaSi ar gamorCa<br />

zogierTi samRvdelo piris naklovaneba,<br />

magram “gamorCa” ra raodenobis<br />

grantebs iZlevian “gadaxrili<br />

faseulobebisa” da e.w.<br />

umciresobebis uflebebis dacva-<br />

Si. “liberalis” gamocemaSi garyvnilebis<br />

propagandis xelSemwyob<br />

gadacemebSi monawileobisTvis ra<br />

Tanxa gadauxades mis sexnias Sorena<br />

begaSvils “imedis” televiziiT<br />

garyvnilebis tiraJirebisTvis.<br />

“qilikze ioli araferia.<br />

iolia vid<strong>ge</strong>T da viqilokoTo”.<br />

amaSi mayurebels “liberalTa<br />

gulwrfeli mSvidobismoyvareoba”<br />

unda amoekiTxa. Arada ra gveqilikeba?<br />

sakivleli da sayvirelia<br />

is, rac “liberaluri faseulobebis<br />

saxeliTa” da “umciresobebis<br />

uflebebis dacvis” agitaciisTvis<br />

qveyanaSi xdeba! “granti<br />

maCvene da liberastobas gaCvenebo”,<br />

amaTzea naTqvami. (Turme)<br />

”prroblemac maSin d<strong>ge</strong>ba, rrodesac<br />

amas aqqcev ideologiad”. yvela gadacemasa<br />

da serialSi pederastobis,<br />

lesboselobis, transseqsualebisa<br />

da garyvnilebis agitacia<br />

ideologiad vin aqcia? “umciresobaze<br />

moZalade umravlesobam”,<br />

eklesiam, Tu im “araliberastma<br />

xelisuflebam”, romelic “SaverdaSvilebTan”<br />

erTad, “piaristi<br />

saxelisuflebo saxeebis” meSveobiT<br />

sazogadoebisTvis miuRebel<br />

zneobasa da “sodomistur normebs”<br />

grantebis gamo nergavT?<br />

ra giyoT, riT da<strong>ge</strong>xmaroT<br />

sacodavo “liberastebo”? miuxedavad<br />

“regresuli umravlesobis<br />

ufulobisa”, didi grantebic<br />

rom ver gSveliT da am “inteleqtualurobaSi”,<br />

imazec “ver<br />

qaCavT”, riTac sazogadoebas<br />

`tvins uWamT~. Tqvens “ualternativo<br />

inteleqtualurobaSic”<br />

veravis arwmunebT! Tqvens “maRalinteleqtualur<br />

sulier samyaros”<br />

grantic imdenad ver Svelis,<br />

rom argumentirebul, damajerebel<br />

pasuxebs imazec ver<br />

iZleviT _ risTvisac gadacemeb-<br />

Si midixarT. eklesiaca da patriarqic,<br />

rogorc “umciresobis<br />

mCagverli da regresuli umravlesobis<br />

interesebis damcveli”,<br />

“liberastTa” mTavar samizned<br />

kvlavac rom rCeba, es am gadacemidan<br />

kidev erTxel gamoikveTa.<br />

baia amaSukeli

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evrokavSirma oficialurad moawera xeli<br />

saqarTvelosTan xelSekrulebas gamartivebuli<br />

savizo reJimis Taobaze. es imas<br />

gulisxmobs, rom garkveuli kategoriis moqalaqeebi<br />

_ diplomatebi, mecnierebi, Jurnalistebi,<br />

studentebi gamartivebuli gziT,<br />

ufasod miiReben vizebs evropul qveynebSi<br />

gadaadgilebisaTvis. magram Cvens Tanamemamuleebs<br />

Jurnalists grigol araxamiasa da<br />

mkvlevar vaxtang qarqaSaZes evrozonaSi,<br />

briuselSi Casasvlel vizaSi 35 dolari gadaaxdevines.<br />

vizebis fasiditaciisa da redmisiis xel-<br />

SekrulebiT, saqarTvelom ara mxolod privilegiebi<br />

miiRo, aramed valdebulebebic.<br />

erT-erTi maTgania_ saqarTvelos moqalaqeTa<br />

daubrkoleblad ukan dabruneba. amisaTvis<br />

evrokavSirma 3 mln. evro gamohyo. aRsruleba<br />

ki CexeTis Sss-s daevala. misi ofisi<br />

ltolvilTa gansaxlebis saministros SenobaSia.<br />

rogorc CvenTan mosaubreebi acxadeben.<br />

maT problemebi SeeqmnaT dabrunebis drosac.<br />

magram verafriT moaxerxes TbilisSi, Cexe-<br />

Tis Sss-s oficialur warmomad<strong>ge</strong>nelTan<br />

Sexvedra. telefoni mudmivad dakavebulia an<br />

aravin pasuxobs. SemsvlelT ki subelianis<br />

uwyeba uqmniT axal problemebs.<br />

Cvengan mivlinebul Jurnalistsa da mecniers<br />

udierad moeqcnen sabaJo daTvalierebis<br />

drosac. maT ise, rogorc kriminalebs<br />

Cautares Cxreka. CamoarTves 5-5 boTli maspinZelTaTvis<br />

saCuqrad Casatani ZviradRirebuli<br />

Rvino `evropuli~. xelSekrulebiT<br />

Tavisufal ekonomikur zonaSi nayidi suvenirebi<br />

da sxvadasxva nivTebi akrZaluli ar<br />

aris.<br />

Seuracxyofilma araxamiam da qarqaSaZem<br />

evropis elCs saqarTveloSi, filip dimitrovs<br />

mimarTes ganmartebisaTvis werilobiT.<br />

man ki qarTvelebi pasuxis Rirsadac ar CaTvala.<br />

sajaro informaciaze pasuxi ar gasca<br />

Cveneburebs evrokavSirSi saqarTvelos lobisti<br />

qveynis, holandiis selComac. es maSin,<br />

rodesac administraciuli kodeqsis Tavi sajaro<br />

informaciis gacemaze swored holandiuridanaa<br />

gadmoqarTulebuli.<br />

rodesac araxamiam da qarqaSaZem momxdaris<br />

Sesaxeb da ganmartebisaTvis, ras niSnavs<br />

gamartivebuli savizo reJimi evrokavSiris<br />

maRalCinosans _ saturni nomenos mimarTes,<br />

pasuxad miiRes bevr evropel Cinosans ar<br />

unda, rom evrokavSiris arawevri qveynebis<br />

moqalaqeebi SemouSvan maT<br />

teritoriebze.<br />

gamodis, rom Cven meorexarisxovan<br />

saxelmwifoTa<br />

moqalaqeebis ricxvs mivekuTvnebiT.<br />

baqibuqi Cveni<br />

pirvelevropelobis Sesaxeb,<br />

mxolod miTia. yvelaferi<br />

xelisuflebis araTanmimdevruli<br />

nabijebis (politikur,<br />

ekonomikuri) Sedegia,<br />

_ acxadeben eqspertebi da<br />

politolo<strong>ge</strong>bi.<br />

kidev erTi Cinovniki evrokavSiridan<br />

Stefan fiule<br />

acxadebs, rom unda gakeTdes<br />

ufro meti. Tu adre evro-<br />

kavSiri Tanabrad ud<strong>ge</strong>boda kavSiris wevrobis<br />

yvela kandidats, axla urTierTobebis<br />

axali etapi dadga. yvela miiRebs imas, rasac<br />

imsaxurebs. sainteresoa meti raRa unda<br />

gaakeTos saqarTvelos mosaxleobam, Tuki<br />

mas uunaro xelisufleba hyavs.<br />

vin itvirTebs mZime tvirTs<br />

ekonomist giorgi laSxias ganmartebiT,<br />

evrokavSirsa da saqarTvelos Soris urTierTobebi<br />

regulirdeba ormxrivi xelSekrulebiT<br />

partniorobisa da TanamSromlobis<br />

SeTanxmebiT romelic ZalaSi 1999 wels Sevida.<br />

saqarTvelos miniWebuli aqvs FGQSP<br />

anu preferenciaTa zogadi sar<strong>ge</strong>blobis ufleba,<br />

rac Cvens qveyanas evrokavSiris bazrebze<br />

Tavisufali gasvlis uflebas<br />

aZlevs.<br />

Rrma da yovlismomcveli Tavisufal<br />

vaWrobas saqarTvelosaTvis bevrad<br />

ufro meti sar<strong>ge</strong>blis motana SeuZlia,<br />

vidre ubralod Tavisufal<br />

vaWrobas, _ acxadebs ekonomisti<br />

laSxia.<br />

ramdenime wlis win cnobilma<br />

kvleviTma jgufma CASE-m daadgina,<br />

rom xelSekrulebis dadebidan 5 weliwadSi<br />

arnaxuli winsvlebi eqnebaT<br />

Cvens qveyanaSi safeiqro mrewvelobas,<br />

samTo mopovebiT dar<strong>ge</strong>bs, rezinis, qimiuri<br />

da plastmasis produqciis<br />

migviRebs evropa<br />

Tanasworuflebian wevrad<br />

an mzad varT ki amisaTvis?<br />

warmoebas, metalurgias, yovelive dadebTiad<br />

aisaxeba xelfasebis zrdaze, magram es ufro<br />

arakvalificiuri muSaxelis Semosavlebze<br />

aisaxeba, vidre maRalkvalificiurze. radganac<br />

zrdis tendencia eqnebaT im dar<strong>ge</strong>bs, romelTac<br />

meti SromiTi intensivoba axasia-<br />

TebT, gvixsnis Cveni interviueri, yovelive<br />

ki impulss SesZens saeqsporto saqonlis<br />

zrdas.<br />

amaT xelSi ufro<br />

mZime mdgomareoba gvelis<br />

evropasTan Tavisufali da yovlismomcveli<br />

vaWroba mZime Sede<strong>ge</strong>bs moutans isedac<br />

myife Cvens ekon.omikas. varaudoben eqspertebi.<br />

maTi azriT yvelaze mZime mdgomareoba<br />

produqtis uvneblobisa da inteleqtualuri<br />

sakuTrebis dacvis sferoebSi Seiqmneba.<br />

produqtis uvneblobis regulaciebis<br />

gamkacreba kidev ufro gazrdis isedac ma-<br />

Ral inflacias, arada evrokavSiri, aucileblad<br />

moiTxovs, DCFTA-s farglebSi<br />

moTxovnebis umokles vadebSi gatarebas.<br />

`axali ekonomikuri skola-saqarTvelos~<br />

vice-prezidenti gia jandieri acxadebs, rom,<br />

magaliTad, xorcze an misgan nawarmoeb rZis<br />

produqtebze imdeni moTxovna iqneba gasaTvaliswinebeli<br />

(sad gaizarda riT kvebavdnen,<br />

rodis daikla, vin gaitana bazarze da a.S.)<br />

rom maTi Sesruleba xelisuflebas 700<br />

mln. lari daujdeba. erTi amdeni iqneba gamosayofi<br />

socialurad daucvelTaTvis. radganac<br />

am kategoriis mosaxleoba arakontrolirebad<br />

da iaf produqts veRar SeiZens.<br />

gamkacrebuli kanonebis gamo daxlebidan ubralod<br />

gaqreba.<br />

zaza bilixoZe<br />

rogor dda ra formiT xddeba TurqeTSi<br />

qarTvelebiT vaWroba? Temis<br />

ddettalebzze ,,saerTo gazzeTs”” arasam-<br />

Tavrobo organizzacia ,,saqarTvelos<br />

korufciasTan brZZolis sainformacio<br />

centtris”” xelmZZRvaneli merab<br />

RoRoberiZZe esaubra, romelic sittuaciis<br />

gasarkvevadd Tavadd CaerTo am<br />

saqmeSi dda qarTvelebiT vaWrobis<br />

Sesaxeb konkrettuli viddeo-mmasalac<br />

moipova.<br />

_ feisbuqis aqtiuri momxmarebeli<br />

var. TurqeTSi myofi baTumelebi<br />

damikavSirdnen da situaciis<br />

garkveva mTxoves. davadgine, rom<br />

aris vinme Temo, romelic dakavebulia<br />

qarTvelebis gayidviT TurqeTSi.<br />

misi telefonis nomeric gavi<strong>ge</strong>, magram<br />

ver vukavSirdebi. telefoni ga-<br />

TiSuli aqvs.<br />

_ ,,Temos” ra kategoriis adamianebi<br />

mihyavs TurqeTSi?<br />

_ mas aqvs siebi Turqi damsaqmeblebis<br />

da isini awvdian cifrebs Tu<br />

ramdeni adamiani sWirdebaT. Semdeg<br />

isic agrovebs qarTvelebs. maT karg<br />

pirobebs hpirdeba da mihyavs TurqeTSi.<br />

Tumca iq Casul adamianebs absoluturad<br />

gansxvavebuli situacia<br />

xvdebaT. TurqeTSi erTi adgilia, saxelwodebiT<br />

aqsara, sadac saqarTvelodan<br />

mimavali avtobusebi Cerdeba.<br />

swored iq modis ,,Temos” Turqi megobari<br />

damsaqmebelTan erTad da ,,Temos”<br />

uxdian Tanxas. Cems SemTxvevaSi,<br />

Cems Tvalwin gadauxades 300 lari.<br />

_ ramdens uxdian fuls ,,Temos”<br />

TiToeul qarTvelSi?<br />

_ gayidvis procesSi, daaxloebiT,<br />

250-300 liramde. Semdeg gadamiyvanes<br />

fabrikaSi, sadac sxva qarTvelebTan<br />

mqonda urTierToba. maT<br />

umZimes pirobebSi uwevT cxovreba da<br />

muSaoba. tansacmlis fabrika iyo.<br />

Turq damsaqmeblebs mosyiduli hyavT<br />

adgilobrivi policia da am yvela-<br />

fers SeTanxmebulad akeTeben. saRamos<br />

gadavyavdiT xuTsarTulian SenobaSi.<br />

gviketavdnen karebs da dilamde<br />

iq viyaviT gamoketilebi. Tumca maTi<br />

wasvlis Semdeg vaRebdi karebs, gamovdiodi<br />

gareT da vxvdebodi Cven,<br />

Tanamoqalaqeebs. iq gavi<strong>ge</strong> informacia,<br />

rom ori Tvis win, roca stambulSi<br />

daiwva qarxana, iq imyofeboda<br />

12 adamiani, maT Soris 6 qarTveli,<br />

romlebic cecxlSi Caiwvnen. samwuxarod,<br />

amasTan dakavSirebiT saqarTveloSi<br />

araferi ar Tqmula, arc mediasivrceSi<br />

da arc sakonsulos<br />

mxridan. damqiraveblebi qarTvelebs<br />

CaiSi ureven stimulizatorebs, ra-<br />

Ta gaTenebamde amuSaon.<br />

saerTo gazeTi<br />

merab RoRoberiZe: stambulSi rom<br />

qarxana daiwva da iq 12 adamiani<br />

Caiferfla, maT Soris 6 qarTveli<br />

iyo, icis vinmem amis Sesaxeb?<br />

_ rogor axerxebdiT Caketili karis<br />

gaRebas. SenobaSi ar iyo dacva?<br />

_ Cagvketavdnen da midiodnen.<br />

gaZlierebuli dacva ar yofila. diliT<br />

isev modiodnen da samuSaod<br />

mivyavdiT. aranair sauzmes ar gvaZlevdnen,<br />

2 saaTze patara ulufas<br />

mogvcemdnen. es iyo da es.<br />

_ rogor moaxerxeT ganTavisufleba?<br />

_ vuTxari, rom samuSao pirobebiT<br />

ukmayofilo viyavi da wasvla<br />

mindoda. movTxove, daebrunebinaT Cemi<br />

pasporti, Tu arada, gaviparebodi<br />

da yvelafers Sesabamis samsaxurebs<br />

Sevatyobinebdi. SeeSindaT da ase wamovedi.<br />

iq gadaRebuli video-masala<br />

mivawode saqarTveloSi TurqeTis sakonsulos.<br />

qarTvelebis konkretuli<br />

gvarebi momTxoves, magram amas ver<br />

gavakeTebdi, radgan yvela maTgans<br />

deportacia emuqreba.<br />

_ ras apirebT, ra <strong>ge</strong>gmebi gaqvT?<br />

_ isev vapireb Casvlas sxvadasxva<br />

arasamTavroboebTan erTad da aucileblad<br />

waviyvanT fsiqologsac, raTa<br />

qarTvelebis nawili gamoviyvanoT<br />

TurqeTis sakonsulos daxmarebiT.<br />

_ Turqma damsaqmeblebma wamosvlisas<br />

winaaRmdegoba ar gagiwies,<br />

radgan xom SeiZleboda maTi saqmianobis<br />

Sesaxeb samarTaldamcavebisTvis<br />

Se<strong>ge</strong>tyobinebina? maT saqmianobas<br />

Tqveni wamosvlis Semdeg xom safr-<br />

Txe Seeqmneboda?<br />

_ winaaRmdegoba ar gauweviaT.<br />

ufro metic, Cveni arasamTavrobo<br />

organizaciis daxmarebiT ori qarTvelis<br />

wamoyvanac SevZeliT, romlebic<br />

axla baTumSi imyofebian. ase,<br />

rom Cven mzad varT sxvebic gamoviyvanoT<br />

im saSinelebidan.<br />

_ ase martivad gamogatanen ,,gayidul”<br />

qarTvelebs?<br />

_ rodesac mivalT da avuxsniT<br />

situacias. vetyviT, Tu ar gagvatanT<br />

am adamianebs, mTavar prokuraturas<br />

SevatyobinebT Tqveni saqmianobis Sesaxebo,<br />

iZulebuli gaxdebian pirobaze<br />

dagvTanxmdnen.<br />

miranda nabaxteveli<br />

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16 saerTo gazeTi #20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

politikuri partia `qarTuli ocneba _<br />

demokratiuli saqarTvelos~ deklaracia<br />

arsebuli viTarebis Sefaseba<br />

Tbilisi,<br />

21 aprili,<br />

2012 weli<br />

saqarTvelos xelisuflebis<br />

sagareo da saSinao<br />

politikurma kursma da saxelmwifos<br />

marTvis mis mier<br />

damkvidrebulma meTodebma<br />

realuri safrTxe Seuqmnes<br />

qveynis demokratiuli ganvi-<br />

Tarebis perspeqtivas.<br />

2003 wlis “vardebis revoluciis”<br />

Semdeg ganviTarebuli<br />

pozitiuri procesebi,<br />

calkeuli warmatebuli<br />

reformebi fasadurma<br />

demokratiam da avtoritarizmma<br />

Secvala. ukeTesi momavlis<br />

molodini sazogadoebis<br />

udides nawils imedgacruebad<br />

eqca.<br />

mimdinareobs socialurekonomikuri<br />

viTarebis dam-<br />

Zimebisa da mosaxleobis ga-<br />

Ratakebis Seuqcevadi procesi.<br />

mosaxleobis didi nawilisaTvisxelmiuwvdomelia<br />

jandacva da ganaTleba.<br />

usafuZvlodaa gazrdili<br />

komunaluri da saxelmwifo<br />

saa<strong>ge</strong>ntoebis momsaxurebis<br />

gadasaxdelebi. SemaSfoTebelia<br />

umuSevrobis, mosaxleobis<br />

migraciisa da demografiuli<br />

maCveneblebis vardnis<br />

masStabebi.<br />

normad iqca sabiujeto<br />

saxsrebis, maT Soris saer-<br />

TaSoriso daxmarebis, gankargvis<br />

gaumWvirvaloba da<br />

aramiznobrivi gamoyeneba. gamefebulia<br />

elitaruli korufcia,<br />

monopolizebulia<br />

biznesi, kritikulad izrdeba<br />

sagareo valis moculoba.<br />

yvela sferoSi irRveva<br />

adamianis uflebebi. xelyofilia<br />

udanaSaulo adamian-<br />

Ta sicocxle, janmrTeloba<br />

da Tavisufleba, maT Soris<br />

politikuri angariSsworebis<br />

mizniT. qveynis umaRlesi<br />

xelisuflis erTpirovnul<br />

nebasaa damorCilebuli<br />

sasamarTlo sistema da mediis<br />

mniSvnelovani nawili.<br />

politizebulia jari,<br />

policia, prokuratura da<br />

makontrolebeli organoebi.<br />

damaxinjebuli probaciisa<br />

da saproceso gari<strong>ge</strong>bebis<br />

sistema gadaqceulia fulis<br />

amoRebis da adamianebze zewolis<br />

meqanizmad.<br />

sazogadoeba CamoSorebulia<br />

qveynis marTvis da obieqturi<br />

informaciis miRebis<br />

saSualebebs. xelovnuri barierebi<br />

eqmneba Tavisufali<br />

mediis da samoqalaqo seqtoris<br />

saqmianobas. saxelmwifo<br />

srulad akontrolebs<br />

sareklamo bazars.<br />

fexqveSaa gaTelili konstitucia.<br />

xelisuflebis<br />

SenarCunebis mizniT konstituciisa<br />

da kanonebis xSiri<br />

cvlilebebi yovelgvar samarTlebriv<br />

da moralur<br />

normebs scildeba.<br />

xelisuflebam ver uzrunvelyo<br />

qveynis winaaRmdeg<br />

ganxorcielebuli samxedro<br />

agresiis verc prevencia<br />

da verc misTvis<br />

efeqturi winaaRmdegobis<br />

gaweva, rasac mohyva mniSvnelovani<br />

adamianuri msxverpli,<br />

moraluri da materialuri<br />

zarali, teritoriebis<br />

okupacia.<br />

xelisuflebas ar gaaCnia<br />

krizisuli viTarebidan gamosvlis<br />

mwyobri strategia.<br />

saxelisuflebo propagandis<br />

Zalisxmeva mimarTulia<br />

cru informaciis tira-<br />

Jirebasa da oponentebis<br />

diskreditaciaze, razec<br />

aTeul milionobiT sabiujeto<br />

Tanxebi ixarjeba.<br />

finansuri da administraciuli<br />

resursebis gamoyenebiT<br />

xelisufleba cdilobs<br />

gaaZlieros zewola<br />

sakuTar xalxze, SeinarCunos<br />

da ganamtkicos avtoritaruli<br />

marTvis sistema.<br />

Seqmnili realoba metyvelebs<br />

megobar saxlmwifo-<br />

Ta rCevebisa da mowodebebis<br />

ignorirebazec. xelisufleba<br />

iqca dasavleTisagan mi-<br />

Rebuli politikuri da materialuri<br />

daxmarebis upasuxism<strong>ge</strong>blo<br />

momxmareblad.<br />

politikuri partia<br />

“qarTuli ocneba – demokratiuli<br />

saqarTvelos” amocanebi.<br />

saxelmwifos marTvis<br />

principebi da prioritetebi<br />

politikuri partia<br />

“qarTuli ocneba – demokratiuli<br />

saqarTvelo” uaxloesi<br />

periodis amocanad<br />

ganixilavs xelisuflebis<br />

arCevnebis gziT Secvlas,<br />

rac saqarTvelos saxelmwifoebriobis<br />

gadarCenis, Cveni<br />

Svilebisa da momavali<br />

Taobebis usafrTxoebis, Tavisuflebis<br />

da keTildReobis<br />

garantirebis aucilebeli<br />

pirobaa.<br />

partiis ideologia<br />

efuZneba WeSmarit demokratiul<br />

Rirebulebebs, socialuri<br />

solidarobisa da samarTlianobis<br />

principebs.<br />

partia mxars uWers saqarTvelos<br />

evropul da evroatlantikur<br />

integracias.<br />

partia yovelmxriv Seuwyobs<br />

xels opoziciuri<br />

Zalebis erTianobis gamyarebas<br />

politikuri koalicia<br />

“qarTuli ocnebis” farglebSi<br />

da intensiurad iTanamSromlebs<br />

sxva politikur<br />

ZalebTan, romlebic<br />

iziareben koaliciis sadamfuZneblo<br />

deklaraciaSi Camoyalibebul<br />

xedvebs.<br />

saxelmwifo marTvis sistema<br />

unda uzrunvelyofdes<br />

sazogadoebis CarTulobas<br />

qveynis politikuri, ekonomikuri<br />

da socialuri ganvi-<br />

Tarebis procesebSi. amis garantiaa<br />

saarCevno garemos<br />

samarTlianoba, adgilobrivi<br />

TviTmmarTvelobis Seqmna,<br />

konstituciuri reformebis<br />

procesSi saerTo saxalxo<br />

referendumis meqanizmis gamoyeneba,<br />

sagan<strong>ge</strong>bo mniSvnelobis<br />

kanonebis miRebaSi<br />

xalxis ufro farTod monawileobis<br />

axali formebis<br />

damkvidreba.<br />

sazogadoebrivi Tanxmobis<br />

aucilebel pirobas<br />

warmoad<strong>ge</strong>ns balansi xelisuflebis<br />

sakanonmdeblo,<br />

aRmasrulebel da sasamarTlo<br />

Stoebs Soris, sasamar-<br />

Tlo xelisuflebis realuri<br />

damoukidebloba, mTavrobisa<br />

da arCeviTi organoebis<br />

angariSvaldebuleba xalxis<br />

winaSe, obieqturi informaciis<br />

xelmisawvdomoba Tavisufali<br />

mediis meSveobiT.<br />

mniSvnelovania qveynis<br />

marTvaSi opoziciuri eleqtoratis<br />

warmomad<strong>ge</strong>nelTa<br />

aqtiuri CarTva. isini unda<br />

warmarTavdnen sabiujeto<br />

Semosavlebis xarjvisa da<br />

saxelmwifo qonebis gankargvis<br />

makontrolebel uwyebaTa<br />

saa<strong>ge</strong>ntoebis saqmianobas.<br />

aucilebelia, rom xelisuflebis<br />

yvela Sto, saxelmwifo<br />

biurokratia emsaxuros<br />

mTeli xalxis da<br />

ara romelime calke aRebuli<br />

politikuri Zalis interesebs<br />

da ganuxrelad daicvas<br />

qveynis konstitucia.<br />

saxelisuflo struqtureb-<br />

Si dasaqmebis kriteriumebs<br />

unda warmoad<strong>ge</strong>ndes adamianebis<br />

patiosneba, Rirseba,<br />

profesionalizmi da ara<br />

partiuli kuTvnileba.<br />

aucilebelia Seiqmnas saxelmwifo<br />

marTvis iseTi<br />

sistema, romlis amosaval<br />

wertilad iqceva adamianis<br />

uflebebi da Tavisuflebebi.<br />

demokratiuli institutebis<br />

simZlavre evropul da<br />

evroatlantikur sivrceSi<br />

saqarTvelos integraciis<br />

mTavar winapirobas warmoad<strong>ge</strong>ns.<br />

saxelmwifos stabilurobisa<br />

da demokratiuli<br />

ganviTarebisaTvis sakmarisi<br />

araa adamianis uflebebis<br />

deklarireba mxolod samar-<br />

Tlebriv aqtebSi. saxelmwifom<br />

unda uzrunvelyos am<br />

uflebebis realizaciis sakmarisi<br />

meqanizmebis Seqmna.<br />

dauSvebelia, rom materialuri<br />

SesaZleblobis deficiti<br />

gaxdes adamianis sicocxlis,<br />

janmrTlobis, ganaTlebis,<br />

samarTliani sasamarTlos<br />

uflebis darRvevis<br />

mizezi.<br />

adamianis samarTlebriv

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#20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

da socialur dacvaze, janmrTelobaze,<br />

mis ganaTlebaze<br />

mzrunveli marTvis sistema<br />

uzrunvelyofs moqalaqisa<br />

da saxelmwifos urTierTpasuxism<strong>ge</strong>blobas.qveynis<br />

ekonomikuri politika,<br />

saxelmwifo biujeti, upirveles<br />

yovlisa, orientirebuli<br />

unda iyos am amocanis<br />

gadawyvetaze.<br />

jandacvis sferos mowesri<strong>ge</strong>ba<br />

saxelmwifos upirvelesi<br />

sazrunavia. saqarTvelos<br />

TiToeul moqalaqes<br />

unda hqondes sabaziso sadazRvevo<br />

paketi da es paketi<br />

unda iyos ufro farTo,<br />

vidre arsebuli xelisufleba<br />

hpirdeba yovel meores.<br />

omebis Sedegad dazaralebul,<br />

devnil moqalaqeebsa<br />

da daRupulTa ojaxebze<br />

zrunva, maTTvis gansakuTrebuli<br />

SeRavaTebis daweseba,<br />

warmoad<strong>ge</strong>ns ara saxelmwifos<br />

keTil nebas, aramed -<br />

valdebulebas.<br />

aucilebelia, Semweobis<br />

mimRebi yvela kategoriis<br />

moqalaqeebisaTvis gamoyofili<br />

saerTaSoriso humanitaruli<br />

daxmarebisa da saxelmwifo<br />

resursebis marTvis<br />

koordinacia. SeRavaTebisa<br />

da stimulebis dawesebiT<br />

unda waxalisdes adgilobrivi<br />

bizneswreebis saqvelmoqmedo<br />

saqmianoba da am mimarTebiT<br />

saxelmwifos valdebulebebis<br />

gaziareba.<br />

strategiul amocanas<br />

warmoad<strong>ge</strong>ns umuSevrobis<br />

donis Semcireba, gadasaxdelebis<br />

gadamxdelTa raodenobis<br />

gazrda da Sedegad<br />

saxelmwifos marTvaSi moqalaqeTa<br />

CarTulobis gafar-<br />

Toeba. qveynis biujeti unda<br />

Zlierdebodes gadasaxdelebis<br />

gadamxdelTa raodenobis<br />

da ara gadasaxdelebis<br />

moculobis zrdis xarjze.<br />

dauSvebelia, sazogadoebis<br />

da saxelmwifos urTierTobebi<br />

mimdinareobdes mTxovnelisa<br />

da mowyalebis gamcemis<br />

urTierTobis formatSi.<br />

socialuri samarTlianobis<br />

miRwevis mizniT Zireu-<br />

ladaa Sesacvleli sagadasaxado<br />

sistema. dasawyisisaTvis<br />

aucilebelia dawesdes<br />

daubegravi minimumi, romelic<br />

saarsebo minimums gautoldeba.<br />

adamianebi, romel-<br />

Ta Semosavali TveSi saarsebo<br />

minimumis tolia, saer-<br />

Tod ar unda ibegrebodnen<br />

saSemosavlo gadasaxdiT,<br />

xolo yvela danarCens dasabegri<br />

baza unda Seumcirdes.<br />

ekonomikuri politika<br />

unda daemkvidros liberalur<br />

sabazro principebs.<br />

biznesis sferoebis demonopolizaciis<br />

gareSe SeuZlebelia<br />

konkurentuli garemos<br />

Seqmna, mcire da saSualo<br />

mewarmeobis ganviTareba,<br />

samuSao adgilebis zrda da<br />

saSualo socialuri fenis<br />

gafarToeba.<br />

kerZo sakuTreba xelSeuxebelia.<br />

dauSvebelia, rom<br />

saxelmwifo xels uwyobdes<br />

mis gadanawilebas politikuri<br />

niSniT, propagandaze<br />

a<strong>ge</strong>buli ekonomikuri prognoziTa<br />

da mcdari ekonomikuri<br />

stimulebiT Secdoma-<br />

Si Sehyavdes kerZo mesakuTre,<br />

zRudavdes an krZalavdes<br />

im mewarmeTa saqmianobas,<br />

romlebsac sabanko vali<br />

aqvT aRebuli.<br />

soflis meurneobis ganviTareba<br />

SesaZlebelia am<br />

seqtorSi investiciebis mozidviT,<br />

maT Soris mniSvnelovani<br />

moculobis sabiujeto<br />

resursebis gamoyenebiT.<br />

sasursaTo produqciis adgilobrivi<br />

warmoebis gafar-<br />

Toeba saxelmwifo usafr-<br />

Txoebis uzrunvelyofis<br />

erT-erTi mTavari amocanaa.<br />

saxelmwifo xels unda<br />

uwyobdes rogorc kerZo<br />

fermeruli meurneobebis<br />

ganviTarebas, aseve glexuri<br />

moeurneobebis kooperirebas.<br />

sagan<strong>ge</strong>bo yuradRebasa da<br />

mxardaWeras saWiroebs saqarTveloskaTolikos-patriarqis<br />

winadadeba, romelic<br />

gulisxmobs motivirebuli<br />

da organizebuli meurneebisaTvis<br />

saeklesio miwebis<br />

usasyidlod gadacemas.<br />

saxelmwifosa da mosaxleobis<br />

erToblivi zrunvis<br />

sagans unda warmoad<strong>ge</strong>ndes<br />

ekologiuri usafrTxoebis<br />

dacva. Cveni momavali Taobebis<br />

winaSe Cadenili danaSaulia<br />

moklevadiani ekonomikuri<br />

sar<strong>ge</strong>belis fasad ekologiuri<br />

zianis momtani kanonebis<br />

miReba. amasTanave,<br />

swored ekologiuri resur-<br />

si da bunebis mravalferovneba<br />

warmoad<strong>ge</strong>ns mTeli rigi<br />

Semosavliani dar<strong>ge</strong>bis<br />

ganviTarebis da xalxis fizikuri<br />

sijansaRis baziss.<br />

erovnuli istoriuli<br />

faseulobebisa da kulturuli<br />

memkvidreobis, iseve<br />

rogorc xelovnebisa da saxelmwifo<br />

enis dacvisa da<br />

ganviTarebis xelSewyoba saerTo<br />

msoflio ojaxSi saqarTvelos<br />

identobis damkvidrebas<br />

unda emsaxurebodes.<br />

saxelmwifos stabilurobis<br />

uzrunvelyofis amocanebs<br />

aseve ganekuTvneba saqarTveloSi<br />

mcxovrebi sxva<br />

eTnikuri jgufebis kulturuli<br />

memkvidreobis ganvi-<br />

TarebisaTvis zrunva, maTi<br />

Tanasworuflebianobis garantireba.<br />

ganaTlebis sistema orientirebuli<br />

unda iyos momavali<br />

Taobis patriotuli<br />

suliskveTebiT aRzrdaze,<br />

erovnuli umciresobebis<br />

warmomad<strong>ge</strong>nelTa saerTo saxelmwifo<br />

sistemaSi integrirebasa<br />

da saerTaSoriso<br />

donis specialistebis momzadebaze.<br />

Zireuladaa Sesacvleli<br />

saxelmZRvaneloebis politika.<br />

bolo unda moeRos ganaTlebis<br />

sferos politizacias<br />

da policiuri meTodebiT<br />

administrirebas.<br />

asaRorZinebelia qveynis<br />

samecniero potenciali,<br />

romlis deficits ganicdis<br />

rogorc qveynis ekonomikis<br />

yvela dargi, aseve socialuri<br />

da kulturuli sferoebi.<br />

jansaRi cxovrebis wesi<br />

Cveni sazogadoebis erT-erT<br />

mTavar maxasiaTeblad unda<br />

iqces. amis ganxorcieleba<br />

SeuZlebelia kampaniuri, propandistuli<br />

xasiaTis RonisZiebebiT.<br />

saxelmwifos<br />

ganviTarebis programis<br />

erT-erT mTavar Semad<strong>ge</strong>nel<br />

nawilad unda iqces sazogadoebis<br />

farTo fenebisaTvis<br />

sportis xelmisawvdomoba,<br />

saganmanaTleblo sistemaSi<br />

misi farTod dabruneba.<br />

aucilebelia kriminal-<br />

Tan da danaSaulobebTan<br />

brZolis gamkacreba. usafr-<br />

Txo garemo qveynis ganviTarebisaTvis<br />

gadamwyvet faqtors<br />

warmoad<strong>ge</strong>ns. amasTanave,<br />

yovlad dauSvebelia es<br />

xorcieldebodes sazogadoebrivi<br />

kontrolis miRma<br />

darCenili, sruliad politizirebuli<br />

da sadamsjelo<br />

operaciebze orientirebuli<br />

struqturebis mier.<br />

saqarTvelos sazogadoeba<br />

saWiroebs misi interesebis<br />

damcvel policiels.<br />

demokratiuli qveyanis standarti<br />

moiTxovs resocializaciaze<br />

orientirebul<br />

da ara sicocxlisa da janmrTelobisaTvis<br />

safrTxis<br />

matarebel da Rirsebis Semlaxav<br />

sasjelaRsrulebis<br />

sistemas.<br />

sagareo urTierTobebis<br />

orientirebi mimarTuli unda<br />

iyos evropul da evroatlantikur<br />

struqturebSi<br />

integraciisaken. aranakleb<br />

saerTo gazeTi<br />

mniSvnelovania regionaluri<br />

TanamSromlobis ganviTareba<br />

da urTierTobebis normalizacia<br />

ruseTTan. saqarTvelo<br />

saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobis<br />

saimedo da prognozirebad<br />

partniorad unda<br />

iqces.<br />

saqarTvelom saerTaSoriso<br />

Tanamegobrobas unda<br />

SesTavazos teritoriuli<br />

problemebis mSvidobianad<br />

mogvarebis mwyobri, mravalmxriv<br />

molaparakebebze orientirebuli<br />

strategia.<br />

qveynis usafrTxo arsebobas<br />

unda uzrunvelyofdes<br />

Tanmimdevruli erovnuli<br />

usafrTxoebis politika,<br />

romlis qvakuTxedic arsebuli<br />

samxedro safrTxeebis<br />

adekvaturi SeiaraRebuli<br />

Zalebia.<br />

saWiroa samxedro Zalebis<br />

ganviTareba efuZnebodes<br />

saqarTvelos Crdiloatlantikur<br />

aliansSi integraciis<br />

ZiriTad principebsa da<br />

moTxovnebs. samoqalaqo-demokratiuli<br />

kontrolidan<br />

gamosuli erovnuli usafr-<br />

Txoebis sitema da misi<br />

mmarTveloba, ver uzrunvelyofs<br />

saxelmwifos stabilur<br />

garemoSi ganviTarebis<br />

SesaZleblobas.<br />

politikuri partia<br />

“qarTuli ocneba – demokratiuli<br />

saqarTvelo” mzadaa<br />

pasuxism<strong>ge</strong>bloba aiRos<br />

qveynis politikuri da ekonomikuri<br />

krizisidan gamoyvanaze,<br />

moqalaqeebis ZiriTadi<br />

uflebebisa da Tavisuflebebis<br />

uzrunvelyofaze,<br />

Sidaerovnuli Tanxmobis<br />

miRwevasa da damkvidrebaze,<br />

regionaluri da saerTaSoriso<br />

usafrTxoebis sistemaSi<br />

saqarTvelosaTvis Rirseuli<br />

partnioris funqciis<br />

dabrunebaze.<br />

erTad avixdinoT qarTuli<br />

ocneba - mSvidobiani<br />

ganviTarebis saSualeba mivceT<br />

Cvens lamaz qveyanas,<br />

usafrTxo momavali SevuqmnaT<br />

momaval Taobebs.<br />

gvfaravdes ufali!<br />

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18 saerTo gazeTi #20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

Jurnalist giorgi sanaias<br />

mkvlelobidan male 11 weli<br />

Sesruldeba. TiTqos es saqme<br />

gaixsna da mkvlelic dasajes,<br />

magram dRemde mainc burusiTaa<br />

moculi realurad ratom mokles<br />

cnobili Jurnalisti. sazogadoebis<br />

umetes nawils misi<br />

mkvlelobisTvis msjavrdebuli<br />

grigol xurcilava namdvilad<br />

ar miuCnevia realur damnaSaved.<br />

rogorc SevityveT, xurcilava<br />

karga xania Tavisuflebazea.<br />

giorgi sanaias mkvlelobidan<br />

ramdenime dReSi policiam<br />

vinme daTo <strong>ge</strong>laSvili daakava.<br />

rogorc uflebadamcveli da<br />

advokati giorgi TevzaZe acxadebs,<br />

dakavebulma daxmarebisTvis<br />

mas mimarTa, samarTaldamcavebs<br />

<strong>ge</strong>laSvilisTvis undodaT<br />

am mkvlelobis dabraleba. dakavebulis<br />

gancxadebaSi vkiTxulobT,<br />

rom giorgi sanaias<br />

mkvlelobis saqmeSi is sruliad<br />

udanaSauloa, mas saerTod<br />

ar icnobda da arc raime urTierToba<br />

hqonia, miTumetes iseTi,<br />

razec edavebodnen.<br />

`am yvelafers ki arajansaRi<br />

aJiotaJi mohyva. faqtobrivad<br />

Cirqs gvcxeben marto me da Cems<br />

ojaxs ki ara, aw gansvenebul<br />

giorgi sanaiasac. aTasgvar Seuracxmyofel<br />

da cilismwameblur<br />

Worebs avrceleben. me Tavad<br />

moviTxov am saqmis obieqturad<br />

gamoZiebas da mkvlelobaSi<br />

realuri monawileebis<br />

dasjas.<br />

mogaxsenebT ra pirobebSi<br />

moxda Cemi dakaveba: 3 agvistos<br />

gvian saRamos meliqiSvilis qu-<br />

Caze ucnobma mamakacma gamaCera<br />

da mkiTxa _ daTo xaro, rac<br />

davudasture. man xelmklavi gamomdo<br />

da avtomanqanaSi Camsva,<br />

sadac kidev ori mamakaci ijda.<br />

vkiTxe, vin iyvnen da sad mivdiodiT,<br />

razec mipasuxes 15 wuT-<br />

Si yvelaferi gairkvevao. mimiyvanes<br />

Sss-s Senobis me-6 sar-<br />

Tulze. kvlav moviTxovdi aexsnaT<br />

ratom damakaves. mipasuxes,<br />

Sen aq arc qurdobisTvis xar<br />

moyvanili, arc yaCaRobisa da<br />

narkotikisTvis, Sen TviTon<br />

mixvdi risTvisac xaro. maT qaragmebs<br />

veraferi gavu<strong>ge</strong>. Semdeg<br />

damiwyes gamokiTxva Cems seqsualur<br />

orientaciaze, kerZod,<br />

viyavi Tu ara `cisferi~. maTac<br />

vuTxari da vimeoreb, es CemTvis,<br />

Seuracxmyofelia. me aranairi<br />

seqsualuri defeqti ar gamaCnia,<br />

srulfasovani mamakaci<br />

var, rogorc fizikurad, ise<br />

sulierad. moviTxove, am<br />

kuTxiT eqspertiza CaetarebinaT,<br />

raTa sabolood dadasturdes,<br />

rom Cems gadaxrebze saubari<br />

ciliswamebaa da kanonis winaSe<br />

pasuxi agon cilismwameblebma.<br />

Semdeg mkiTxes Tu vicnobdi<br />

giorgi sanaias, rac viuare.<br />

ar damijeres, icnobdi da<br />

gvimalavo. rom mcnoboda namdvilad<br />

ar davmalavdi. mere momitanes<br />

2 Tu 3 fotoroboti,<br />

arcerTi ar mgavda. Semdeg Tavad<br />

gadamiRes suraTebi, videofirzec<br />

damafiqsires, mkiTxes<br />

Tmas romel mxares vivarcxnidi,<br />

radgan maSin Tma gadaparsuli<br />

mqonda. amis mere JurnalSi vnaxe<br />

savaraudo mkvlelis fotorobotebi<br />

da erTi ukve mgavda,<br />

faqtobriuvad, is Secvlili<br />

iyo.<br />

maSin am mkvlelobasTan dakavSirebiT<br />

binZuri xmebi marT-<br />

Jurnalist giorgi sanaias<br />

mkvlelobis ucnobi detalebi<br />

lac vrceldeboda, magram aq<br />

mTavari isaa, vin iyo gamavrcelebeli.<br />

marTalia, zogierTi<br />

e.w. reformatori, romelTagan<br />

zogi dRes xelisuflebaSia mikalaTebuli<br />

da zogsac opozicioneris<br />

mantia aqvs mosxmuli,<br />

acxadebda, rom am xmebs Sss avrcelebda,<br />

magram sazogadoebis<br />

garkveul nawils es ar daujerebia.<br />

sxvaTa Soris, giorgi sanaias<br />

megobarma cnobilma Jurnalistma<br />

qalbatonma cota mogvianebiT<br />

sagazeTo interviuSic<br />

ganacxada, rom am sibinZuris<br />

gamavrceleblebi es `demokrati-gulSematkivrebi~<br />

ufro iyvnen.<br />

maSindeli kuluaruli informaciiT,<br />

Turme, Sss-Si dasakiTxad<br />

yvela saeWvo orientaciis<br />

mamakaci miiyvanes, maT Soris<br />

bevri cnobadi Tu cnobili<br />

saxec, Tumca dakiTxvis Semdeg<br />

yvela gauSves. es ukve niSnavda,<br />

rom samarTaldamcavi struqturebis<br />

mier raime amgvari versia<br />

uaryofili iqna.<br />

giorgi TevzaZe: `<strong>ge</strong>laSvilis<br />

dakavebis Semdeg Sss xmamaRal<br />

preskonferenciebs mar-<br />

Tavda, sanaias mkvlelobaSi eWvmitanili<br />

davakaveTo. <strong>ge</strong>laSvils<br />

im periodSi mxolod TaRliTobis<br />

braldeba hqonda wayenebuli.<br />

man Tavidan, rogorc<br />

uflebadamcvels, ise mommarTa,<br />

Semdgom ki mTxova misi advokatic<br />

vyofiliyavi. im periodSi<br />

iusticiis saministros sazogadoebrivi<br />

kontrolis sabWos<br />

wevri viyavi da ufleba mqonda<br />

nebismier braldebulsa Tu<br />

msjavrdebuls Sevxvedrodi, Tanac<br />

nebismier dros. im period-<br />

Si mixeil saakaSvili iyo iusticiis<br />

ministri, misi iniciativiT<br />

Seiqmna es sabWo. Sevxvdi<br />

<strong>ge</strong>laSvils, romelmac miTxra,<br />

rom es iyo Sekerili braldeba<br />

da misi daWeriT dainteresebulni<br />

iyvnen maSindeli Tanamdebobis<br />

pirebi. misi saubridan<br />

gamomdinare davrwmundi, rom am<br />

mkvlelobaSi udanaSaulo iyo.<br />

mis ojaxs vuTxari, rom <strong>ge</strong>laSvils<br />

mxolod im SemTxvevaSi<br />

davicavdi Tu udanaSaulo iyo,<br />

Tanac usasyidlod. sxvaTa Soris,<br />

sxva advokatebma mis dacvaze<br />

Tavidanve uari Tqves.<br />

saerTod, ratom daakaves es<br />

pirovneba Tu, rogorc TviTon<br />

acxadebs, fotoroboti gaayalbeso?<br />

rogorc giTxariT, mas manamde<br />

TaRliTobis braldeba hqonda<br />

wayenebuli da am saqmeSi e.w.<br />

dazaralebulebad maSindeli<br />

parlamentarebis ojaxis wevrebi<br />

gadiodnen. gantevebis vacs<br />

eZebdnen, rom es mkvleloba mieweraT<br />

da mniSvneloba ar hqonda,<br />

vis daiWerdnen, mTavaria,<br />

braldebuli hyolodaT. aki,<br />

brZana kidec maSindelma <strong>ge</strong>nprokurorma<br />

gia mefariSvilma<br />

sanaias mkvlelobis gaxsna samarTaldamcavebis<br />

Rirsebis sakiTxiao.<br />

iseTi viRac unda epovaT,<br />

visac patroni da sazogadoebis<br />

mxridan momkiTxavi ar<br />

eyoleboda. Tumca araferi gamouvidaT.<br />

madloba minda vuTxra<br />

maSindel JurnalistTa korpuss,<br />

romelic, rogorc advokats,<br />

gverdiT damidga. Tavidan<br />

isinic ayvnen fexis xmas,<br />

egonaT, <strong>ge</strong>laSvili iyo mkvleli,<br />

magram maleve mixvdnen, rom<br />

aq raRac sxva TamaSi iyo. dakavebulis<br />

11-12 saaTis ganmavlobaSi<br />

dakiTxva yovlad dauSvebelia,<br />

arcerT samarTlebriv da<br />

procesualur normebSi ar jdeba.<br />

dakiTxva meore dResac gagrZelda,<br />

oRond ukve Sss-s `kapezeSi~,<br />

magram ratomRac es<br />

yvelaferi maSindel e.w. reformatorebs<br />

ar gauprotestebiaT.<br />

<strong>ge</strong>laSvilze fizikuri zewola<br />

ar momxdara, es arc<br />

awyobda Sss-s, radgan sasje-<br />

laRsrulebis dawesebulebebi<br />

maSin ukve iusticiis saministros<br />

eqvemdebareboda. kaxa TargamaZisa<br />

da mixeil saakaSvilis<br />

dapirispirebis ambavi ki yvelas<br />

kargad gvaxsovs. <strong>ge</strong>laSvils raime<br />

fizikuri dazianeba rom<br />

hqonoda, saakaSvili erT ambavs<br />

atexavda. policiam sasurveli<br />

Cveneba <strong>ge</strong>laSvilisgan ver mii-<br />

Ro. igi #5 sapyrobileSi gadaiyvanes,<br />

magram rogorc Cans,<br />

Sss, garkveulwilad, mainc<br />

akontrolebda sasjelaRsrulebis<br />

sistemas, radgan <strong>ge</strong>laSvili<br />

iseT sakanSi moxvda, sadac<br />

xsenebuli uwyebis a<strong>ge</strong>ntebi<br />

iyvnen. sxvaTa Soris, misma erTerTma<br />

Tanasaknelma Sexvedra<br />

mTxova, dauyovnebliv vinaxule,<br />

megona, Tavisi uflebebis dacvas<br />

mTxovda, magram miTxra,<br />

Sss-dan informacia maqvs Tu<br />

<strong>ge</strong>laSvili dRes ar aRiarebs<br />

sanaias mkvlelobas, seqsualuri<br />

maniakebis beds gaiziarebs<br />

da SeiZleba moklan kideco. ma-<br />

Sinve Cavayene saqmis kursSi cixis<br />

administracia da <strong>ge</strong>laSvili<br />

dauyovnebliv gadaiyvanes<br />

sxva sakanSi. SeiZleba, ubralo<br />

damTxveva iyo, magram meore<br />

dRes samTavrobo sxdomaze <strong>ge</strong>n-<br />

prokurorma gia mefariSvilma<br />

<strong>ge</strong>laSvili eWvmitanilis magivrad,<br />

ukve braldebulad moixsenia.<br />

baton gias did pativs vcem,<br />

rogorc profesional iurists,<br />

saeWvoa mas elementaruli samarTlebrivi<br />

norma daviwyeboda,<br />

rom piri, romelic mocemul<br />

saqmeze oficialurad eWvmitaniladac<br />

ki ar iyo dakiTxuli,<br />

braldebuli ver iqneboda.<br />

_ ise, am mkvlelobisTvis<br />

msjavrdebuli grigol xurcilava<br />

da daTo <strong>ge</strong>laSvili garegnulad<br />

marTlac waagavdnen<br />

erTmaneTs.<br />

_ amis Semdeg daakaves xurcilava,<br />

romelmac danaSauli<br />

aRiara da raoden gasakviric<br />

ar unda iyos, mtkicebulebebi<br />

<strong>ixileT</strong> <strong>`saerTo</strong> <strong>gazeTi~</strong><br />

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Turme Tavadve miitana policiaSi.<br />

bunebrivad Cndeba kiTxva,<br />

manamde ratom dumda, ras elodeboda?<br />

yvelaze saintereso ki<br />

is aris, rom misi advokati<br />

pirdapir acxadebda: Cemi dacvis<br />

qveS myofi damnaSaveao. me<br />

Sinaganad mainc mgonia, rom am<br />

mkvlelobaSi xurcilavac udanaSauloa,<br />

magram ver Cavereodi,<br />

yvela adamiani Tavad irCevs<br />

sakuTar beds. sxvaTa Soris,<br />

<strong>ge</strong>laSvilsac sTavazobdnen macdunebel<br />

winadadebebs mkvlelobis<br />

sakuTar Tavze aRebis<br />

sanacvlod, magram kategoriuli<br />

uari Tqva. mec miTxra, gana<br />

iseTi ra unda gadamixadon, rom<br />

Cemi Svilebi mkvleli mamis<br />

SvilobisTvis gavwiroo.<br />

maSinac da Semdegac aqtiurad<br />

vrceldeboda xmebi, rom<br />

giorgi sanaias mkvleloba pankisis<br />

xeobaSi arsebul mZime<br />

krimino<strong>ge</strong>nur viTarebas da im<br />

videokasetas ukavSirdeboda,<br />

romelzec maSindeli Sss-sa da<br />

uSiSroebis maRalCinosnebi narkobaronebTan<br />

erTad iyvnen aRbeWdilni.<br />

maSindelma gamoZiebam<br />

es versia uarhyoo. 2001 wlis<br />

noembris Semdeg aRarc kaxa<br />

TargamaZe iyo Tanamdebobaze da<br />

aRarc vaxtang quTaTelaZe,<br />

Tanamdeboba datova <strong>ge</strong>nprokurorma<br />

gia mefariSvilmac.<br />

ra uSlidaT xels,<br />

rom am ase vTqvaT, realur<br />

da obieqtur versias<br />

mibrunebodnen. miTumetes<br />

2003 wlis noembridan xelisuflebaSireformatorebi<br />

mobrZandnen da policia-prokuraturamTlianad<br />

maT xelSi iyo, vin<br />

hyavdaT WeSmaritebis dad<strong>ge</strong>naSi<br />

xelisSemSleli?<br />

ratom darCa es mkvleloba<br />

yofiT problemebTan dakavSirebiT<br />

Cadenil danaSaulad?<br />

es yvelaferi aZlierebs<br />

im eWvebs, rom aq<br />

arc pankisis xeoba iyo arafer<br />

SuaSi da arc maSindeli Zalovanebi.<br />

Tu obieqturi gamoZieba<br />

Catardeboda, sul sxva personebamde<br />

migviyvanda. kuluaruli<br />

informaciiT, maSindelma<br />

prezidentma, eduard Sevardna-<br />

Zem piradad sTxova kaxa TargamaZes<br />

es saqme bolomde da obieqturad<br />

ar gamoiZioo. kaxa<br />

TargamaZis advokatobas namdvilad<br />

ar vapireb, Tumca mis profesionalizmSi<br />

eWvi namdvilad<br />

ar mepareba da arc imaSi mepareba<br />

eWvi, rom man namdvili<br />

mkvlelisa Tu damkveTis vinaoba<br />

kargad icoda. rac Seexeba im<br />

sabediswero videokasetas Tu<br />

is sinamdvileSi marTlac arsebobda,<br />

rogorc maSin vrceldeboda<br />

xmebi im videokasetaze<br />

sul sxva ram iyo aRbeWdili.<br />

av enebs Tu davujerebT im videokasetaze<br />

maradmwvane deputatTa<br />

da CinosanTa `mamakacuri<br />

siyvarulis~ damadasturebeli<br />

amuruli scenebi iyo aRbeWdili<br />

da mavanni cdilobdnen es<br />

`mamxilebeli~ masalebi aslan<br />

abaSiZis xelSi ar moxvedriliyo.<br />

manana suxiSvili

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ekonomikisa Tu soflis<br />

meurneobis ngreva, guSin<br />

da guSinwin ar dawyebula, faqtobrivad,<br />

qveynis damoukideblobam<br />

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viTareba, dRes ki laparaki laparakad<br />

rCeba, saqme ki ar Cans.<br />

raSi xedavT gamosavals, marto<br />

xelisuflebis Secvla rom<br />

xalxis cxovrebas ukeTesobisaken<br />

ar cvlis es ukve daamtkica<br />

gamocdilebam...<br />

_ daviwyoT iqidan, Tu rani<br />

viyaviT da risi potenciali<br />

gagvaCnda. dRes qveyanaSi normaluri,<br />

xarisxiani puris deficitia<br />

im dros, rodesac msoflioSi<br />

arsebuli xorblis 24<br />

jiSidan 14 qarTulia, misi warmoebiT<br />

ki erT-erTi warmatebuli<br />

qveyana viyaviT. me kargad<br />

maxsovs, rodesac Camodiodnen<br />

aq iaponeli mecnieri <strong>ge</strong>netikosebi,<br />

rogor iyvnen danteresebuli<br />

am Cveni jiSebiT da rogor<br />

cdilobdnen mis waRebas Tavis<br />

qveyanaSi. aseve mniSvnelovani<br />

iyo es faqti im amerikuli kompaniebisa<br />

da firmebisaTvis, romelnic<br />

dRes aq Camodian da<br />

cdiloben Tavs mogvaxvion Tavisi<br />

produqcia.<br />

maocebs dRevandeli xelisuflebis<br />

midgoma, ori kviriT<br />

gauSveben vinmes ucxoeTSi swavlebaze<br />

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srulad ganaTlebuli adamiani<br />

dabrundeba. absoluturad gau<strong>ge</strong>baria,<br />

or kviraSi dauSvebelia<br />

romelime dargis Seswavla,<br />

da arc is sertifikati varga<br />

arafrad, rac iqidan CamoaqvT,<br />

es aris sruli blefi!<br />

dRes Cven gvyavs sakmaod<br />

bevri iseTi donis mecnieri,<br />

romelic Tavisuflad SeZlebs<br />

ganaviTaros romelime dargi<br />

ise, rom iyos saukeTeso qveynisaTvis,<br />

magram marto ras gaawyoben?<br />

usmens maT vinme? xelisuflebas<br />

ainteresebs? avi-<br />

RoT, Tundac, Cai, romelic meoce<br />

saukunis dasawyisSi gaSenda<br />

kolxeTSi. am kulturas<br />

hqonda sabWoTa dros Tavisi instituti,<br />

uamravi mecnieri mu-<br />

Saobda am dargSi, misadmi damo-<br />

vlaimir putinma dimitri<br />

medvedevi `edinaia rosias~<br />

Tavjdomareobis<br />

kandidatad waradgina<br />

ruseTis federaciis amJamindeli premier-ministris<br />

da axladarCeuli prezidentis vladimir<br />

putinis gancxadebiT, inauguraciis Semdeg is mmar-<br />

Tveli partiis ,,edianaia rosias” Tavmjdomaris<br />

posts datovebs. putinma aRniSnul Tanamdebobaze<br />

dimitri medvedevis kandidatura waradgina.<br />

,,bi-bi-sis” cnobiT, amis Sesaxeb putinma ,,ediania<br />

rosias” xelmZRvanelobasTan Sexvedrisas ganacxada.<br />

,,inauguraciis Semdeg, romelic 2012 wlis 7<br />

maiss Sed<strong>ge</strong>ba, me marTebulad vTvli uari vTqva<br />

partia ,,edianaia rosias” Tavmjdomaris ufleba-<br />

kidebuleba iyo uzenaesi, amitomac<br />

iyo is warmatebuli<br />

qveynisaTvis. gvaqvs dRes qarTuli<br />

Cai? mxolod mcire raodenobiT<br />

da isic kerZo struqturaSi,<br />

misdami saxelmwifo midgoma<br />

daikarga. <strong>ge</strong>ografiulad<br />

varT CrdiloeT-subtropikuli<br />

zona, amitomaris SesaZlebeli<br />

iyos Cvens miwaze amdeni kultura.<br />

es unikaluri pirobebi<br />

dRes vinmes axsovs? gavixseneb<br />

im dros, rodesac mandarini<br />

Rirda 20 kapiki, mas vagzavnidiT<br />

sakavSiro fondSi da iqidan<br />

11 kapikad Semogvqonda xorbali.<br />

faqtobrivad, erTi kilogrami<br />

mandarini, or kilogram<br />

xorbalze icvleboda, weliwadSi<br />

ki vagzavnidiT 200-<br />

250 aTas kilograms. iyo, wlebic,<br />

rodesac CvenTan saSualo<br />

mosavali xorblis ufro meti<br />

iyo vidre aSS-Si. magaliTisTvis<br />

<strong>ge</strong>tyviT, rom 1988 wels saqarTvelom<br />

miiRo 880 aTasi<br />

tona xorblis marcvali.<br />

SeuZlebelia, rom qarTvel<br />

moRvaweebs daviwyebodaT is,<br />

rac iyo. qveyana iyo respublikaTa<br />

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gamorCeuli, qarTveli glexkaci<br />

gamarTuli dadioda sofel-<br />

Si da hqonda Tavisufleba, is<br />

arasodes araferSi ar SeuzRudavT.<br />

dRes Cven marto teritoriebi<br />

ki ar davkar<strong>ge</strong>T, yvelaferi<br />

davkar<strong>ge</strong>T.<br />

iyo Tu ara kolmeurneoba<br />

komunisturi? ara, sulac ar<br />

iyo, iliaseul ganmartebas Tu<br />

vixmarT, is aseT koleqtiur,<br />

saxelmwifo meurneobas uwodebda<br />

samsoflios, anu saxelmwifo<br />

meurneobas, saqveynos da ara<br />

kerZos, romelic qveyanas sWirdeboda.<br />

dRes iliaze laparakoben,<br />

kabinetebSi suraTebic ukidiaT<br />

_ wakiTxuli ki saerTod ar<br />

aqvT! isic ki ar ician, rom<br />

msoflioSi 1600 vazis jiSidan<br />

600 _ qarTulia! ruseTis bazris<br />

dakargvam isev Cven ar dagvazarala?<br />

rogor SeiZleba moskovis<br />

romelime olqSi is, xmebodes<br />

milioni dekalitri,<br />

xvanWkara? es yvelaferi isev<br />

saqarTvelos ekonomikas daubrunda<br />

cudad.<br />

ar iyo sasoflo-sameurneo<br />

dargSi sfero, romelic saqar-<br />

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aviRoT abre-<br />

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bevrad ufro sjobda<br />

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sxva, qveynebis<br />

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muzeumi rom iyo<br />

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momavalma Taobam<br />

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saqarTveloSi iyo 2 milion<br />

200 aTasi suli cxvari, dRes<br />

is mcire nawilic iyideba, rac<br />

darCa, ra gvelis momavalSi,<br />

vinme fiqrobs? weliwadSi 1 miliardi<br />

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saqarTveloSi, mefrinveleobis<br />

fabrikebSi, 20-25 aTasi<br />

tona frinvelis xorci da es<br />

ise ar xdeboda. profesionalebis<br />

rCevebs iTvaliswinebda xelisufleba<br />

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ucxoeTidanac mogvyavda<br />

konsultantebi.<br />

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Cans, rom yvela saqme-<br />

Si, romelsac saxelmwifo ake-<br />

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elementebi, amitomac qveyana<br />

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investorebs aris miCerebuli,<br />

marto maTi imedi aqvT,<br />

Cven ra gvrCeba?<br />

_ SekiTxva aris drouli,<br />

magram <strong>ge</strong>tyviT, rom Cven ase ar<br />

gvicxovria, rom gvefiqra _<br />

Cven ra gvinda? qveyanaze fiqri<br />

iyo seriozuli. damoukidebloba<br />

ar niSnavs imas, rom gaakeTo<br />

is, rac ginda. qveyanaSi investiciebi<br />

unda iyos, magram miCndeba<br />

kiTxva, ra aris investorebis<br />

sazrdo? me mirCevnia es yovelive<br />

qarTvelma gaakeTos, maT<br />

Sansi unda mieceT, aqvT maT amis<br />

pirobebi? Cvenze daudevrad sakuTar<br />

qveyanas dRemde aravin ar<br />

moqcevia!<br />

_ 2004 wels daiwyo yvelaferi?<br />

_ piriqiT, 2004 wlamde ukve<br />

yvelaferi ganadgurebuli<br />

iyo, samoqalaqo omi romel qve-<br />

yanaSi moxda Cvens garda? es<br />

yvelaferi iyo da<strong>ge</strong>gmili proeqti,<br />

romelic SesaniSnavad ganxorcielda!<br />

gare Zalebi muSaobdnen<br />

mSvenivrad da miaRwies<br />

yvelafers da es gaxlavT dangreuli<br />

saqarTvelo! aiReTerTi<br />

magaliTi, avRaneTSi vin ibrZvis,<br />

marto amerika da Cven. natoSi<br />

27 qveyanaa, ratom isini ar ibrZvian?<br />

Cven ratom vzrdiT samxedroebis<br />

raodenobas? _ es<br />

yvelaferi aris antiqarTuli<br />

da antisaxelmwifoebrivi qmedeba!<br />

avRaneTis mosaxleobas mexsierebaSi<br />

xom rCeba es yovelive,<br />

SemdgomSi es Cven gamogvad<strong>ge</strong>ba?<br />

_ batono jumber, adrec<br />

xdeboda, roca soflis meurneobis<br />

ministri eqimi iyo an jandacvis<br />

ministri araspecialisti?<br />

_ es imdenad didi gau<strong>ge</strong>brobaa,<br />

rom ar mesmis. erT magaliTs<br />

gavixseneb. 1987 wels aSS-dan<br />

Camosuli iyvnen skolis moswavleebi<br />

da maswavleblebi saqarTveloSi.<br />

rodesac isini Cvens<br />

moswavleebs Sexvdnen da maTi<br />

codnis done gai<strong>ge</strong>s, amerikeli<br />

maswavleblebi gaocebulebi dar-<br />

Cnen Cveni moswavleebis mravalmxrivi<br />

ganviTarebiT. dRes ratom<br />

daikarga es yovelive? iyo Tu<br />

ara es mizanmimarTuli?<br />

saerTo gazeTi<br />

_ erTi ram minda gkiTxoT,<br />

daviT garejis samonastro kompleqsis<br />

mimdebare teritoria<br />

dRes isev sadaoa, amboben, rom<br />

Tqven es sakiTxi sakavSiro<br />

mTavrobasTan mogvarebuli<br />

gqondaT, magram Semdeg SeCerda,<br />

ra iyo amis mizezi?<br />

_ am sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT<br />

moskovSi gaxldiT gorbaCovTan,<br />

man faqtobrivad, momismina, daukavSirda<br />

maSindel sakavSiro<br />

Tavdacvis ministrs _ iazovs<br />

da Cemive TandaswrebiT mosTxova<br />

am sakiTxis gadawyveta Cven-<br />

Tvis yvelaze misaRebi variantiT.<br />

asec moxda, ramodenime<br />

dRis Semdeg aq Camovida iazovi,<br />

sakiTxi Seiswavla da SevTanxmdiT,<br />

rom, daaxloebiT, 70 heqtari<br />

miwa, berTubnis teritoria<br />

Cven gadmogvecemoda sxva<br />

Sesabamisi teritoriis sanacvlod.<br />

samwuxarod, ramodenime<br />

TveSi politikuri situacia<br />

Seicvala, ssrk daiSala da es<br />

SeTanxmeba veRar ganxorcielda,<br />

Tumca azerbaijanis mTavrobac<br />

Tanaxma iyo am SeTanxmebze,<br />

Cvenze daudevrad sakuTar qveyanas<br />

dRemde aravin ar mopyrobia<br />

mosilebaze”-aRniSna<br />

putinma.<br />

misi TqmiT, ruseTSi<br />

iseTi praqtika<br />

damkvidrda,<br />

romlis Tanaxmadac,<br />

prezidenti<br />

zepartiul figuraa.<br />

,,konstitucia prezidents, romelime partiis<br />

wevrobas ar ukrZalavs, magram CvenTan politikur<br />

cxovrebaSi arsebul situaciaSi, prezidenti-<br />

es yvelas gamaerTianebeli figuraa”, _ aRniSna<br />

putinma.<br />

man ,,edianaia rosias” wevrebs maisis meore<br />

naxevarSi yrilobis Catareba SesTavaza.<br />

`medianiusi~<br />

dRes aravis scalia imisaTvis,<br />

rom es problema saxelmwifoTa<br />

Soris gansjis sagani gaxdes,<br />

dRes daviT garejs axsenebs vinme?<br />

_ dRes gaRatakebuli saqar-<br />

Tvelos asaRorZineblad, qar-<br />

Tuli potencialis aRsad<strong>ge</strong>nad,<br />

xelisuflebas daupirispirda<br />

biZina ivaniSvili. misi mokrZalebuli<br />

saubridan irkveva, rom<br />

mas seriozuli saxelmwifoebrivi<br />

<strong>ge</strong>gmebi aqvs, rogor fiqrobT,<br />

SeZlebs Tu ara is dRevandel<br />

situaciaSi imas, rom<br />

arCevnebis gziT movides xelisuflebaSi<br />

Tavis gundTan er-<br />

Tad?<br />

_ unda moxdes xalxis mxardaWera<br />

iseTi, rogoric ar momxdara,<br />

xalxma unda daicvas Tavisi<br />

xma. biZina ivaniSvilisadmi<br />

Cemi damokidebuleba aris da<br />

iyo erTgvarovani, kerZod is,<br />

rom is gaxlavT erTi uniWieresi<br />

qarTveli kaci, romelmac miaRwia<br />

imas, rac bolo naxevar<br />

saukuneSi aravis ar miuRwevia<br />

da Seuqmnia! me is gavicani 1994<br />

wels, rodesac man pirvelma<br />

qarTvelma Semoiyvana saqarTveloSi<br />

500 traqtori da es iyo<br />

Zalian mZime periodi saqarTvelosaTvis.<br />

zogjer masze laparakoben<br />

isini, visac araferi gaukeTebia<br />

cxovrebaSi, magram is<br />

gaxlavT marTali biznesmeni da<br />

mas gaaCnia Rirseba, am Rirsebis<br />

gareSe ver miaRwevda imas, rac<br />

Seqmna.<br />

saqarTvelos gadaarCens ara<br />

marto arCevnebSi monawileoba,<br />

aramed, Cvens Soris urTierTobis<br />

gaumjobeseba, romelic Seqmnis<br />

iseT fons, rom Cven, rogorc<br />

qveyana, viqnebiT saintereso<br />

im qveynebisTvisac da im adamianebisaTvisac,<br />

vinc dRes Cven-<br />

Tan ar urTierTobs.<br />

modiT, yvelam qarTulad<br />

SevxedoT saqarTvelos ise, rogorc<br />

Cveni winaprebi uyurebdnen.<br />

eTer kasreliSvili<br />

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24 20 saerTo gazeTi #20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

msoflio presis mixedviT<br />

Cikagos samitze saqarTvelos<br />

natoSi rom ar miiReben, es<br />

didi xania cnobilia. saqarTvelos<br />

xelisufleba guldawyvetilia,<br />

radgan briuselidan<br />

mxolod dapirebebi ismis _<br />

aliansSi qveynis gaerTianebis<br />

Sesaxeb principuli gadawyvetileba<br />

arsebobs da mis aRsrulebas<br />

dro sWirdebao. aravin azustebs,<br />

rodis dad<strong>ge</strong>ba es dro.<br />

TbilisSi natos <strong>ge</strong>neraluri<br />

mdivnis anders fog rasmusenis<br />

vizitisas saqarTvelos prezidentma<br />

gabeda da ganacxada, rom<br />

aRmosavleTis cxel wertileb-<br />

Si gagzavnili jariskacebi pirnaTlad<br />

asruleben nakisr valdebulebebs;<br />

amitomac natoSi<br />

Sesvlis TariRTan dakavSirebiT<br />

meti konkretika iqneboda sasurvelio...<br />

rasmusenis pasuxma,<br />

veWvobT, daakamyofila maspinZeli<br />

_ rogorc ki Sesabamisi momenti<br />

moixelTa, <strong>ge</strong>neraluri<br />

mdivani demokratiuli faseulobebis<br />

dacvaze alaparakda da<br />

Tqva, rom natoSi saqarTvelos<br />

Sesvla uSualod ukavSirdeba<br />

saparlamento arCevnebis xarisxs,<br />

romelic Semodgomaze<br />

unda gaimarTos da dasavlur<br />

standartebs unda Seesabamebodes.<br />

xelisuflebisgan gansxvavebiT,<br />

rasmusenma waaxalisa qar-<br />

Tuli opozicia: saparlameto<br />

arCevnebs maqsimalur yuradRebas<br />

miaqcevs dasavleTi da SesaZlebeli<br />

iqneba misi demokratiulad<br />

Catareba.<br />

dasavlel partniorebs briuselSi<br />

SeTanxmebuli gancxadebis<br />

msgavsi deklaraciebi adrec<br />

araerTxel miuRiaT. maTSi yo-<br />

bolo xanebSi dasavleTis gamocemebi<br />

xSirad laparakoben reformebis<br />

qarTul gamocdilebaze.<br />

es Tema rusulma mediamac<br />

aitaca _ saakaSvilis reJims aqeben<br />

`biznesis gaxsnilobisa da<br />

ekonomikuri Tavisuflebis gamo~.<br />

ramdenime dRis win, axali upiloto<br />

TviTmfrinavebis prezentaciaze,<br />

mixeil saakaSvilma ganacxada,<br />

rom uaxloes xanSi saqarTvelo<br />

moskovs uaxlesi teqnikis<br />

warmoebiT ajobebs.<br />

saakaSvilis reJimma kargad<br />

aiTvisa cnobili wesi _ didi<br />

tyuili SesaZloa did simarTled<br />

gaasaRo. sinamdvileSi, ra<br />

imaleba `qarTuli reformebis~<br />

da qarTuli `warmatebebis~ miRma?<br />

am kiTxvis pasuxad gamod<strong>ge</strong>ba<br />

avtoritetuli ekonomistebisa<br />

da eqspertebis analizis Sede<strong>ge</strong>bi,<br />

romlebic bolo 2 wlis maCveneblebis<br />

mixedviT Seafases.<br />

2011 wlis bolosTvis saqar-<br />

Tvelos socialur-ekonomikuri<br />

ganviTarebis realuri statistikuri<br />

monacemebi aseTia: adamianis<br />

ganviTarebis indeqsiT, saqarTvelo<br />

postsabWoTa qveynebs Soris<br />

meaTe adgilzea, ekonomikuri ganviTarebiT<br />

_ meTerTmeteze. saqarTvelos<br />

xelisuflebam daadgina<br />

yvelaze maRali sapensio<br />

asaki yofil sabWoTa teritoriaze<br />

da yvelaze dabali pensia _<br />

48 dolari somxeTSi pensia 65,<br />

azerbaijanSi _ 107, xolo ruseTSi<br />

220 dolaria. saqarTvelo<br />

CamorCeba saSualo xelfasisa da<br />

saSualo pensiis Tanafardobi-<br />

Tac: es maCvenebeli 15,2 procentia,<br />

somxeTSi _ 20,1, ruseTSi _<br />

34,2 procenti. saqarTveloSi<br />

yvelaze Zviria umaRles saswav-<br />

natos aspirantura saqarTvelosTvis<br />

aliansis wevrobas Semodgomaze da<strong>ge</strong>gmili saparlamento<br />

arCevnebis demokratiuloba da misi xarisxi ganapirobebs<br />

fili avtonomiebi `okupirebul<br />

teritoriebad~ aris moxseniebuli,<br />

xolo ruseTs am teritoriebidan<br />

jarebis gayvanis<br />

moTxovnas uyeneben. moskovi<br />

aseT moTxovnebs ainunSic ar agdebs<br />

da bunebrivia, Cikagos samitis<br />

Semdegac araferi Seicvleba<br />

_ moskovi afxazeTidan da<br />

samxreT oseTidan jarebs ar gaiyvans.<br />

rogorc Cans, vaSingtons<br />

aseTi gancxadebiT Tavisi samxreTkavkasieli<br />

partnioris da-<br />

SoSmineba surs. opoziciis zogierTi<br />

warmomad<strong>ge</strong>nlis gancxadebiT,<br />

xelisuflebam, bolos da<br />

bolos, unda Seignos, rom nato<br />

mxolod amerika da poloneTi<br />

rodia, romlebTanac problemebi<br />

leblebSi swavlis gadasaxadi,<br />

yvelaze dabali stipendiaa da<br />

yvelaze cota ixarjeba mecnierebis<br />

ganviTarebisTvis.<br />

xelisufleba Tavs iwonebs,<br />

rom saqarTveloSi Zalzed martivia<br />

biznesis marTva da qmnis<br />

axal samuSao adgilebs. Tuki es<br />

marTlac asea, maSin ratom ar<br />

Cqaroben ucxoeTSi gadaxvewili<br />

qarTvelebi<br />

samSobloSi dabrunebas?!<br />

vinc daijera cru<br />

propaganda da dabrunebulma<br />

sakuTari TvaliT<br />

ixila sinamdvile,<br />

isev ukan gaqcevas cdilobs.<br />

daqiravebuli<br />

Sroma faqtobrivad daucvelia.<br />

marTalia,<br />

biznesis dawyeba gaiolebulia,<br />

magram aseve<br />

iolia misi gakotreba, reJims<br />

daqvemdebarebuli biznes-klanebisgan<br />

warmatebuli da awyobili<br />

saqmeebis mitaceba. vinc saakaSvilis<br />

tyuilebs wamoego da saqar-<br />

Tvelos ekonomikis romelime<br />

dargSi sakuTari kapitali Cado,<br />

dRes nanobs Tavis saqciels da<br />

gakotrebuls qveynidan gasvla<br />

ar SeuZlia. motyuebiT dabrunebulebi<br />

dasaqmebas amaod sTxoven<br />

xelisuflebas.<br />

ruseTis bazris dakargvam daazarala<br />

agraruli seqtori, romelic<br />

xelisuflebas aRar miCnia<br />

prioritetul dargad _ saxelmwifo<br />

asignebebis farglebSi mis-<br />

ar gaaCnia... nato _ es aris agreTve<br />

safran<strong>ge</strong>Ti da <strong>ge</strong>rmania,<br />

romlebic aSkarad ewinaaRmde<strong>ge</strong>bian<br />

saqarTvelos miRebas aliansSi<br />

da romlebTanac saqarTvelos<br />

xelisuflebas arcTu idealuri<br />

urTierToba aqvs. imis<br />

nacvlad, rom kavSiri aRadginos,<br />

saakaSvili konfrontaciis<br />

gzas daadga. gavixsenoT cnobili<br />

diplomatis diter bodenis<br />

saqarTveloSi vizitTan dakavSirebuli<br />

misi ultimatumi... saqarTvelos<br />

pretenziebs, rasakvirvelia,<br />

<strong>ge</strong>rmaniaSi aRtaceba<br />

ar gamouwvevia.<br />

natosTvis afxazeTi da samxreT<br />

oseTi ruseTis mier okupirebuli<br />

teritoriebia, igi em-<br />

Tvis mxolod 0,82 procentia gamoyofili.<br />

2008-2010 wlebSi,<br />

agrarulma seqtorma miiRo pirdapiri<br />

ucxouri investicis 1,08<br />

procenti, rac 45,6 milioni dolaria.<br />

dafaruli umuSevrobis maCvenebeli<br />

60 procentia _ xalxi<br />

nebismier samuSaos Tanxmdeba.<br />

vinc 40 wels gadaabija, saxelmwifo<br />

seqtorSi samsaxurSi<br />

mowyobaze verc iocnebebs. 2010<br />

wels umuSevrobis maCvenebeli<br />

73 procenti iyo _ es monacemi<br />

nacionalur-demokratiuli institutis<br />

eqspertebma daasaxeles,<br />

Tumca saqarTvelos xelisufleba<br />

urcxvad amtkicebs,<br />

TiTqos umuSevroba 16 procentze<br />

meti ar aris. ojaxebis umravlesobas<br />

Tavi 150 dolariT<br />

Zlivs gaaqvT.<br />

saakaSvili xSirad imeorebs,<br />

rom man daamarcxa korufcia.<br />

marTalia, 90-iani wlebisTvis<br />

damaxasiaTebeli bandituri Tav-<br />

xroba saqarTvelos teritoriul<br />

mTlianobas... aseTi damokidebuleba<br />

soxumsac aRizianebs<br />

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sagareo uwyebis xelmZRvaneli<br />

viaCeslav Cikirba acxadebs,<br />

rom rac unda moimoqmedos<br />

dasavleTma, respublika arasodes<br />

dabrundeba saqarTvelos Semad<strong>ge</strong>nlobaSi.<br />

`amerikis SeerTebuli<br />

Statebis zemoqmedebis Sedegad,<br />

ramdenime qveyanam uari<br />

Tqva eRiarebina afxazeTis damoukidebloba.<br />

mimdinareobs aSkara<br />

daSantaJeba im qveynebis liderebisa,<br />

romlebmac afxazeTi ukve<br />

aRiares damoukidebel saxelmwifod.<br />

maT finansuri daxmarebis<br />

SewyvetiT emuqrebian~, _<br />

acxadebs Cikirba. misive TqmiT,<br />

axlaxan saxelmwifo mdivnis moadgile<br />

filip gordoni ikvexnida,<br />

rom aiZula dominikis respublika,<br />

uari eTqva afxazeTis<br />

damoukideblobis aRiarebaze.<br />

muqara gaisma agreTve belarusis,<br />

yazaxeTis, yirgizeTisa da<br />

sxva qveynebis mimarTac.<br />

saqarTvelos da natos TanamSromloba<br />

briuselSi ruse-<br />

Tis sagareo ministrma ser<strong>ge</strong>i<br />

lavrovmac Seafasa. `gakvirvebuli<br />

varT imiT, rom saqarTvelo<br />

egreT wodebul natos aspirantTa<br />

ricxvSi moxvda, radgan sa-<br />

dasxmebi warsuls Cabarda, Tumca<br />

saakaSvilma Seqmna iseTi vi-<br />

Tareba, roca warmatebuli biznesmenebi,<br />

masmedia da mosamarTleebi<br />

saxelmwifos `qolgis~<br />

qveS moeqcnen. mTavroba mkacrad<br />

akontrolebs maT Semosavals.<br />

sworad SeniSna erTma opoziciurma<br />

liderma, roca ganacxada:<br />

`saakaSvilis garemocva icnobs<br />

da akontrolebs yvelas, vinc<br />

100 dolarze mets gamoimuSavebs~.<br />

korufcia sityvierad<br />

aRar arsebobs, sinamdvileSi man<br />

saxe icvala. gaCnda uamravi sagadasaxado<br />

mzakvruli valdebuleba,<br />

bizness `wvelian~ aucilebeli<br />

`SenatanebiTa da gadaricxvebiT~<br />

sakaaSvilis partiis fondisTvis.<br />

korufciis yvelaze popularuli<br />

formaa, roca warmatebul<br />

sawarmoebs Zalovani<br />

uwyebebis meSveobiT xelSi igdeben.<br />

gaixseneT `rus jaSuSTa~<br />

arc ise didi xnis winandeli<br />

qarTvelos xelaxali militarizaciis<br />

swrafi procesi mimdinareobs.<br />

Tu saakaSvils davujerebT,<br />

man srulad aRadgina samxedro<br />

momara<strong>ge</strong>ba da miiRo kidec<br />

dapireba natoSi Sesvlis<br />

Sesaxeb. es sagangaSoa, radgan<br />

Cven aRar gvsurs morigi destabilizacia<br />

samxreT kavkasiaSi~,<br />

_ ganacxada man ruseTi-natos<br />

sabWos sxdomis damTavrebis Semdgom<br />

gamarTul preskonferenciaze.<br />

ministrs miaCnia, rom mkrexelobaa<br />

natoSi Sesvlis perspeqtivaze<br />

saubari im adamianTan,<br />

romlis brZanebiTac xalxs xocavdnen.<br />

`klavdnen iaraRiT,<br />

romliTac saqarTvelos CrdiloeTatlantikur<br />

aliansSi Semavali<br />

qveynebi amaragdebdnen.<br />

klavdnen samxedroebi, romlebsac<br />

natos wevri-saxelmwifoebis<br />

instruqtorebi wvrTnidnen...<br />

rac Seexeba afxazeTsa da samxreT<br />

oseTs _ Cven gvyavs ori<br />

damoukidebeli mokavSire. maT-<br />

Tan urTierToba viTardeba da<br />

Rrmavdeba. Cven mowadinebuli<br />

varT, rom samxreT kavkasiaSi<br />

yvela saxelmwifom erTmaneTTan<br />

konstruqciuli urTierToba<br />

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zraxvebi daiokos~, _ dasZina<br />

man.<br />

Íåçàâèñèìàÿ ãàçåòà<br />

saqarTveloSi xelisufleba akontrolebs<br />

yvelas, visi Semosavalic 100 dolaria<br />

saqme. maT Soris iyvnen warmatebuli<br />

mewarmeebi, msxvili firmebis<br />

xelmZRvanelebi, romlebmac<br />

ar moisurves, saakaSvilis xalx-<br />

Tan wili hqonodaT. antimonopoliuri<br />

komitetis gauqmebis Sedegad,<br />

prezidentTan daaxloebulma<br />

biznesmenebma bazridan<br />

konkurentebi gandevnes da biznesis<br />

sakvanZo dar<strong>ge</strong>bis gakontroleba<br />

moaxerxes.<br />

saqarTvelo 100 aTas<br />

mosaxleze patimarTa raodenobiTac<br />

msoflio lideria.<br />

axlaxan saerTaSoriso<br />

konsaltingurma kompania<br />

Mercer-ma sazogadoebas<br />

msoflios didi qalaebis<br />

cxovrebis donis yovelwliuri<br />

kvlevis Sede<strong>ge</strong>bi warudgina.<br />

Tbilisma evropis<br />

qalaqebs Soris cxovrebis<br />

doniT 214-e adgili daikava, xolo<br />

usafrTxoebis donis mixedviT<br />

_ bolo, 215-e adgili.<br />

savalalo mdgomareobaa socialur<br />

sferoSi _ erT sul<br />

mosaxleze jandacvis danaxarji<br />

35 dolaria _ 170 qveyanas Soris<br />

saqarTvelo, iemenTan, togosa<br />

da eriTriasTan erTad, 149-<br />

152-e poziciazea. 2010 wels ganaTlebasa<br />

da jandacvaze erToblivi<br />

danaxarji 1,5-jer naklebia,<br />

vidre usafrTxoebasa da<br />

Tavdacvaze.<br />

Ðîññèéñêàÿ ãàçåòà<br />

internetmimoxilva moamzada<br />

g. WavWavaZem.

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#20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

ama wlis 15 aprils telekompania<br />

“kavkasiis” eTerSi gamosvlisas<br />

astrologma batonma<br />

mixeil cagarelma momavali kviris<br />

astrologiuri prognozis<br />

SemoTavazebis dros xazgasmiT<br />

isaubra SabaTi dRis, 21 aprilis<br />

Sesaxeb.<br />

yvelaze yuradsaRebi is gaxldaT,<br />

rom batonma mixeilma gasuli<br />

kviris prognozis fonze<br />

21 aprili yvelaze negatiur<br />

dRed daasaxela, radgan igi em-<br />

Txveoda axalmTvareobas.<br />

“mikvirs, qarTuli ocneba<br />

seriozuli nabijebis gadadgmis<br />

dros rogor axerxebs aseTi<br />

saswauli dReebis arCevas, _ ambobs<br />

astrologi. _ sainteresoa,<br />

SemTxveviT akeTebs amas<br />

vinme Tu specialurad. SabaTi,<br />

21 aprili axalmTvareobaa, sasikeTo<br />

kosmiuri energiebis nak-<br />

lebobis dRe; pirdapir vityvi:<br />

satanuri energiebis dRea. Aam<br />

dros araferi axali ar unda<br />

wamoiwyoT, miTumetes, iseTi seriozuli<br />

saqme, rogoric axali<br />

organizaciis, an partiis dafuZnebaa.<br />

dafuZnebiT ki dafuZndeba,<br />

magram mere mohyveba ormagi<br />

sirTuleebi, winaaRmdegobebi..<br />

21 aprili iseTi dRea, romelic<br />

yvelasgan iTxovs maqsimalur<br />

yuradRebas, sirTuleebia<br />

mosalodneli adamianTa pirad<br />

urTierTobebSic, janmrTelobis<br />

TvalsazrisiTac. Ees dRe sameurneo<br />

TvalsazrisiTac uaryofiTi<br />

dRea, aseT dReebSi adre<br />

mcenareebsac ar rwyavdnen . . .<br />

erTi sityviT, momaval kviraSi<br />

yvelaze metad uaryofiTi tendenciebi<br />

ukavSirdeba SabaT<br />

dRes, is adamianebisgan iTxovs<br />

gansakuTrebul<br />

yuradRebas da<br />

miTumetes axalmTvareobazeaxali<br />

partiebis<br />

gaSveba msoflio<br />

politikur okeaneSi<br />

arafriT<br />

ar SeiZleba”<br />

zemoTTqmu -<br />

lidan gamomdinare<br />

baton mixeil<br />

cagarels<br />

komentari vTxoveT:<br />

_ batono mixeil, Tqven aRniSneT,<br />

rom 21 aprili yvelanairad<br />

uaryofiTi dRea axali<br />

saqmianobebis wamowyebisTvis,<br />

miT umetes ar SeiZleba axali<br />

partiis dafuZneba. TqvenTvis<br />

rom moemarTaT rCevisTvis, ras<br />

etyodiT?<br />

_ me araerTxel aRvniSne,<br />

maT Soris Cvens interviuebSic,<br />

rom axalmTvareobis dRes adamianma<br />

araferi axlis wamowyeba<br />

ar unda daamTxvios. Ees vTqvi<br />

noemberSic, maSinac “qarTuli<br />

ocneba” axalmTvareobas amTxvevda<br />

yrilobas. Semdeg garkveuli<br />

mizezebis gamo CaiSala.<br />

Aaxla igive gaimeores da Seasrules<br />

kidec. Aar vici, marTla<br />

SemTxveviT Tu gamiznulad.<br />

axalmTvareobis Semdgomi<br />

astrologi `qarTul<br />

ocnebas~ sayvedurobs<br />

<strong>ixileT</strong> <strong>`saerTo</strong> <strong>gazeTi~</strong><br />

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ivaniSvilis partias<br />

damoukidebeli saarCevno<br />

programa ar eqneba<br />

`qarTuli ocneba – demokratiuli saqarTvelos~<br />

lider manana kobaxiZis gancxadebiT, biZina<br />

ivaniSvilis politikuri koalicia “ivaniSvili –<br />

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rogorc kobaxiZem dRes gamarTul preskonferenciaze<br />

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programa ar eqneba, radgan arCevnebSi koaliciis<br />

reJimSi monawileobs.<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis partiis Tavmjdomaris gancxadebiT,<br />

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registraciisTvis iusticiis saministroSi<br />

oficialur gancxadebas mimdinare kviris<br />

ganmavlobaSi Seitans. kobaxiZe ar gamoricxavs,<br />

orkviriani periodi saukeTesoa<br />

axali saqmianobebis wamowyebebisTvis,<br />

organizaciebisa Tu<br />

partiebis dafuZnebisTvis. Zalian<br />

kargi iqneboda es movlena<br />

momxdariyo 25 an 27 aprils,<br />

an 20 maisis Semdgom periodSi.<br />

Mmagram mainc saukeTeso varianti<br />

iqneboda 25 an 27 aprili,<br />

radgan biZina ivaniSvilisTvisac<br />

kargi dReebia piradi horoskopidan<br />

gamomdinare. Aanu iqneboda<br />

kargi periodic da kargi dRec.<br />

_ ras moitans astrologiuri<br />

prognozebis gauTvaliswinebloba?<br />

_ gaormagdeba sirTuleebi,<br />

winaRobebi, intri<strong>ge</strong>bi, konfliqtebi,<br />

barierebi. Aamis Semdgom<br />

mainc Tu gaiTvaliswineben<br />

raimes, kargia, magram erT Secdomas<br />

meore mohyveba da es uaryofiTi<br />

tendenciebi arasasurvel<br />

Sedegs moitans oqtombris<br />

TveSi.<br />

Tamuna qadagiZe<br />

rom am TvalsazrisiT, partias garkveuli problemebi<br />

Seuqmnan.<br />

partiis `ganaxlebuli<br />

saqarTvelosTvis~<br />

warmomad<strong>ge</strong>nlebi kontrolis<br />

palataSi daibares<br />

partia „ganaxlebuli<br />

saqarTvelosTvis“ warmomad<strong>ge</strong>nlebi<br />

kontrolis palataSi<br />

daibares. rogorc<br />

dRes JurnalistebTan Sexvedrisas<br />

partia „ganaxlebulisaqarTvelosTvis“<br />

mrCevelma saerTaSoriso<br />

sakiTxebSi mindia<br />

guluam ganacxada, maTi<br />

partiis warmomad<strong>ge</strong>nlebi<br />

kontrolis palatam „qar-<br />

Tuli ocnebis“ wevris,<br />

koba daviTaSvilis Txovnis<br />

safuZvelze daibara.<br />

kontrolis palataSi 14.00 saaTze dabarebulebi<br />

arian „ganaxlebuli saqarTvelosTvis“ Tbilisis<br />

organizaciis xelmZRvaneli giorgi oZeli,<br />

aseve partiis regionaluri samsaxuris ufrosi<br />

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`medianiusi~<br />

erTi hkiTxon mixeil<br />

lucifers, bokeriasa<br />

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mohyavT saakaSvili. es<br />

aris qarTuli Jurnalistika?<br />

mrcxvenia, rom qarTveli var.<br />

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moqalaqeoba gaxda<br />

saxvewi da qveynis<br />

prezidenti ki araqarTvelia;<br />

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SesaniSnavi dasturia).......<br />

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dRes Sedga nacmoZraobis<br />

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asaniZe, Wirisuflebi: nina wkrialaSvili,<br />

duta sxirtlaZe.<br />

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ra dros es aris am<br />

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saerTo gazeTi<br />

xalxis azriT<br />

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breiviks<br />

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rom gaxdes – pasuxi<br />

unda moTxovon 70 adamianis<br />

mkvlels rato icavdio????<br />

rogor SeiZleba advokats<br />

pasuxi mos-<br />

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icavda? misi dacvis<br />

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es Jurnalistikaa Tu<br />

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araviTar fuls trampi<br />

jerjerobiT ar<br />

debs saqarTveloSi.<br />

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investiciebs Cadebs saqarTveloSi,<br />

amas marTlac eqneba<br />

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ganmavlobaSi trampma bevri didi<br />

proeqti ganaxorciela da<br />

bevri didi proeqti Caagdo.<br />

magram saqarTveloSi is jer<br />

arafers debs. Tu silk rooudi<br />

daamTavrebs, `tramp tauers~,<br />

trampi ueWvelad iamayebs<br />

Tavisi SorsmWvretelobiT,<br />

rom saqarTveloSi Camovida.<br />

xolo Tu saqme Cavardeba, igi<br />

imiT iamayebs, rom Tavisi fuli<br />

ar Caudvia. ase, rom misTvis es<br />

wau<strong>ge</strong>beli TamaSia.<br />

barem moqalaqeobac<br />

mi<strong>ge</strong>ca, Se kaco, aba,<br />

marto brwyinvalebis<br />

ordeni ra TavSi unda<br />

ixalos?<br />

SemogvierTdi<br />

facebook-ze<br />

<strong>`saerTo</strong> <strong>gazeTi~</strong><br />

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22 saerTo gazeTi #20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

ludis sezoni gazafxulze<br />

iwyeba da gvian Semodgomamde<br />

grZeldeba. erTi SexedviT, TiTqos<br />

uCveuloa, rom qarvisferi,<br />

qafiani da aromatuli siTxe<br />

erTnairad uyvarT didebsac da<br />

patarebsac, ai, medikosebs ki<br />

mis Sesaxeb dRemde gansxvavebuli<br />

damokidebuleba aqvT. erTni<br />

mis saerTod akrZalvas moiTxoven,<br />

meoreni ki _ ludis zomier<br />

smaSi janmrTelobisTvis sazianos<br />

verafers xedaven.<br />

Tanamedrove supermarketeb-<br />

Si ludis marTlac, didi arCevania<br />

_ rogorc qarTuli, ise<br />

ludis mwarmoebeli ucxouri<br />

firmebi ludis moyvarulT namdvilad<br />

aTamameben. arada, bevrma<br />

ar icis, rom dasaxelebaTa miuxedavad,<br />

nebismieri markis ludi<br />

SeiZleba or did nawilad<br />

daiyos: erTi jgufi xorblisgan<br />

momzadebul saxeobebs aer-<br />

Tianebs, meore ki _ qerisgan<br />

momzadebuli sasmelia. momxmareblamde<br />

ludi sakmaod mkacr<br />

kontrols gadis, ZiriTadad<br />

ludis feri, <strong>ge</strong>mo, sisqe da gam-<br />

Wvirvaloba mowmdeba. aseve<br />

aucilebelia, rom misi qafis<br />

mdgradoba da suni, naxSirmJava<br />

airiT gajerebac zustad Seesatyvisebodes<br />

sadegustacio<br />

normebs.<br />

ratom unda vsvaT<br />

_ luds, sakmaod didi xnis<br />

manZilze, Cveulebriv msubuq<br />

alkoholur sasmelad miiCnevdnen,<br />

vidre masSi unikaluri<br />

Tvisebebis mqone momwaro <strong>ge</strong>mos<br />

Zlier sasar<strong>ge</strong>blo araerTi niv-<br />

Tiereba ar aRmoaCines, romelic<br />

sasmelSi misi teqnologiuri<br />

`kvebiTi qcevis darRvevebi~<br />

_ specialistebma ase uwodes im<br />

daavadebaTa jgufs, romlebic<br />

sakvebisadmi arajansaRi damokidebulebis<br />

Sedegad iCens Tavs.<br />

am jgufis yvelaze mkafio da<br />

nacnobi paTologiebia gaumaZRroba,<br />

bulemia da anoreqsia.<br />

kvebiTi qcevis darRvevebi<br />

qalbatonTa xvedri aRmoCnda:<br />

yovel daavadebul aT mandilosanze<br />

erTi daavadebuli mamakaci<br />

modis mxolod.<br />

darRvevaTa erTiani mizezebi<br />

ar arsebobs, es multifaqtoruli,<br />

anu mravalmizeziani pa-<br />

Tologiebia.<br />

misi risk-faqtorebia: simsuqnisadmi<br />

<strong>ge</strong>netikuri, socialuri<br />

winaswarganwyoba da temperamentis<br />

Taviseburebani.<br />

maT ganviTarebaSi didia am<br />

mizezTa rolic: ojaxuri konfliqti,<br />

Zvirfasi adamianis dakargva,<br />

somaturi daavadebebi, seqsualuri<br />

konfliqti, travmebi.<br />

darRvevaTa meqanizmis `gamSveb<br />

rgolad~ SesaZloa, iqces<br />

gaTxoveba da colis SerTvac ki.<br />

kargi mada<br />

Tu daavadeba?<br />

am jgufis erT-erTi yvelaze<br />

gavrcelebuli darRveva gaumaZRroba,<br />

igive msunagobaa. pacientebs<br />

axasiaTebT sakvebisadmi<br />

mudmivi ltolva, isini praqtikulad<br />

mudam raRacas ReWaven,<br />

gaCereba ar SeuZliaT. maTi wona<br />

matulobs da miuxedavad imisa,<br />

rom amas amCneven da sakuTari<br />

garegnobiTac ukmayofiloni<br />

arian, mainc verafers uxerxeben<br />

sakvebisadmi avadmyofur ltol-<br />

davlioT Tu ara ludi?<br />

damuSavebis procesis Sedegad<br />

Cndeba. amasTan, aseTi naerTebi<br />

sxva arc erT alkoholur sasmelSi<br />

ar moipoveba;<br />

_ ludis Semad<strong>ge</strong>nlobaSi<br />

Sedis svia, romelic mas damam-<br />

Svidebel, saZile da antibaqteriul<br />

unars sZens, es ki xels<br />

uSlis mikrobebis aqtiur gamravlebas<br />

da amiT organizms<br />

sxvadasxva saxis daavadebebisgan<br />

icavs.<br />

_ ludis antibaqteriuli<br />

Tviseba imdenad kargadaa gamoxatuli<br />

tuberkulozis gamomwvev<br />

koxis Cxirze, rom luds bevr<br />

qveyanaSi `antituberkulozur<br />

sasmelsac~ ki uwodeben;<br />

_ cnobilia, ludis `inteleqtualuri~<br />

Strixic _ ludis<br />

zomierad moyvarulebi,<br />

Turme, gacilebiT ukeT azrovneben,<br />

vidre isini, visac es sasmeli<br />

Wiris dResaviT sZuls,<br />

mcire koncentraciiT alkoholi<br />

xom tvins, gansakuTrebiT ki<br />

mexsierebis funqcias aaqtiurebs.<br />

ratom ar unda vsvaT<br />

_ ludi, arayis, koniakis,<br />

portveinis, mSrali Rvinis<br />

msgavsad, alkoholuri sasmelia,<br />

romlis Semad<strong>ge</strong>nlobaSic<br />

Sedis eTilis spirti. amasTan,<br />

2 Wiqa ludis dalevisas organizmSi<br />

imdenive alkoholi xvdeba,<br />

ramdenic 100 gr arayis dalevisas;<br />

_ adamianebi luds daaxloebiT<br />

300-500-gramiani WiqebiT<br />

svamen, pirveli Wiqis Semdeg<br />

organizmSi xvdeba 20 grami absoluturi<br />

alkoholi, meore<br />

Wiqis Semdeg 40 grami, es daaxloebiT<br />

arayiT savse 200-gramiani<br />

Wiqis ekvivalentia, rac,<br />

bunebrivia, iwvevs kuWis lorwovani<br />

garsis gaRizianebas,<br />

RviZlisa da gul-sisxlZarRvTa<br />

organoebis dazianebas.<br />

_ ludis sistematuri sma<br />

iseTsave damokidebulebas ayalibebs<br />

alkoholisadmi, rogorsac<br />

arayi an sxva magari alkoholuri<br />

sasmeli. es tendecia<br />

gansakuTrebiT im qveynebSi SeigrZnoba,<br />

sadac ludi tradiciuli<br />

sasmelia.<br />

_ luds Cveulebriv didi<br />

odenobiT ismeba, rac organizm-<br />

Si siTxis Warbad dagorvebas<br />

iwvevs, maT droulad gamosadev-<br />

nad guli da Tirkmelebi gaZlierebul<br />

muSaobas iwyeben, qronikulad<br />

aseTi mdgomareoba<br />

nel-nela ayalibebs e.w. xaris<br />

guls da Tirkmlis muSaobas-<br />

Tan dakavSirebul problemebs;<br />

_ ludis zomaze metad moyvarulTa<br />

erT-erTi mudmivi Tanamgzavria<br />

Warbi wonac.<br />

_ saxeobisa da xarisxis mixedviT,<br />

ludi 4-10 procent advilad<br />

mosanelebel naxSirwylebs<br />

Seicavs, gacximovneba da<br />

nivTierebaTa cvlis darRveva<br />

isev da isev RviZls azianebs,<br />

didi datvirTvisas is TandaTan<br />

kargavs barierul funqcias,<br />

alkoholi sisxlSi sul ufro<br />

da ufro Tavisuflad aRwevs,<br />

azianebs gul-sisxlZarRvTa da<br />

Sardgamomyof sistemas da or-<br />

bulemia da anoreqsia<br />

vas. Wamen, Wamen, Wamen, Wamen...<br />

Wamen dilidan Ramemde, zogjer<br />

SuaRamiT iRviZeben da kvlav macivrisken<br />

garbian.<br />

specialistebi gvafrTxileben:<br />

Tu sakuTar Tavs kviraSi<br />

erTxel mainc `aRmoaCenT~ Sua-<br />

Ramisas macivarTan, amasTan Warbi<br />

kologramebic gawuxebT, gadadeT<br />

yvela saqme gverdze da<br />

dasaxmareblad specialists mimarTeT.<br />

mkurnaloba _ pirvel yovlisa,<br />

aucilebelia gaumaZRrobis<br />

gamomwvevi mizezis dad<strong>ge</strong>na<br />

da misi aRmofxvra, rac miiRweva<br />

rogorc medikamenturi TerapiiT<br />

(madis damaqveiTebeli preparatebiT),<br />

ise fsiqoTerapevtis<br />

daxmarebiT.<br />

saSiSi `monanieba~<br />

kvebiTi qcevis darRvevis kidev<br />

erTi gamovlinebaa bulemia.<br />

es, gaumaZRrobasTan SedarebiT,<br />

gacilebiT mZime mdgomareobaa.<br />

pacientebi mSvenivrad amCneven,<br />

rom Warbad ikvebebian,<br />

ukmayofiloni arian<br />

sakuTari garegnobiT,<br />

metad aSinebT gacximovnebis<br />

perspeqtivac<br />

da radgan verafers<br />

uxerxeben gaZlierebul<br />

madas, `TviTdaxmarebaze~<br />

gadadian.<br />

iwyeba perioduli<br />

SimSilobebi, damTrgunveli<br />

fizikuri<br />

datvirTvebi, safaRara-<br />

To da Sardmdeni saSualebebis<br />

ukontrolo<br />

miReba.<br />

gansakuTrebiT sapatio<br />

adgils `TviTdaxmarebis~<br />

arsenalSi Rebinebis stimulatori<br />

da maprovocirebeli sa-<br />

Sualebebi ikavebs, erTi sityviT,<br />

yvelaferi isea, rom situacia<br />

kidev ufro gauaresdes.<br />

titanuri Sromis miuxedavad,<br />

sxeulis masa stabiluri<br />

rCeba. sakmarisia, sul ramdenjerme<br />

ar gamoiwvion Rebineba<br />

(romelic garkveuli drois<br />

ganmavlobaSi refleqsur xasiaTs<br />

iZens _ pacientebi yoveli<br />

Wamis Semdeg, ukve wamlebis gareSe<br />

Tavadve aRebineben), rom<br />

sxeulis masa sagrZnoblad imatebs.<br />

aSkaraa, rom kvalificiuri<br />

samedicino daxmarebis gare-<br />

Se situacia ver gamoswordeba.<br />

mkurnaloba _ bulemiasc<br />

iseve mkurnaloben, rogorc gaumaZrRobas,<br />

oRond kurss emateba<br />

nivTierebaTa cvlis moSlis<br />

sakoreqcio preparatebi.<br />

umetes SemTxvevaSi bulemia mZime<br />

fsiqologiuri problemiTaa<br />

provocirebuli, amitom mkurna-<br />

lobis dawyebisTanave aucilebelia<br />

fsiqoTerapia da medikamenturi<br />

Terapiis gacilebiT intensiuri<br />

kursis Catareba specializebul<br />

klinikaSi.<br />

pacientebi saWiroeben mudmiv<br />

meTvalyureobas, radgan ma-<br />

Ti nawili depresiiTaa Sepyrobili<br />

da xSirad aqvT suicidis<br />

mcdelobebi.<br />

dieta letaluri<br />

SedegiT<br />

anoreqsia kvebiTi qcevis yvelaze<br />

saSiSi formaa. erT mSvenier<br />

dRes<br />

qalbatoni<br />

iRviZebs da<br />

aRmoaCens,<br />

rom Zalian<br />

msuqania,<br />

myisierad<br />

iRebs gadawyvetilebas,araferi<br />

Wamos da mTeli<br />

Tveebis man-<br />

Zilze salaTis<br />

foTlebiTa da<br />

wyliT ikvebeba.sxeulis<br />

masa katastrofuladqveiTdeba,<br />

magram pacienti<br />

mainc ukmayofiloa<br />

da miuxedavad imisa,<br />

rom Warbi erTi kologramic<br />

aRar<br />

aqvs, fiqrobs, rom<br />

kvlav Zalian msuqania, amitom<br />

SimSilobas `sasurvel Sedegis<br />

miRwevamde~ agrZelebs.<br />

aseTi kveba, droTa ganmavlobaSi,<br />

iwvevs arteriuli wne-<br />

ganizmis Zlier mowamvlas iwvevs.<br />

_ ludis uvneblobis Sesaxeb<br />

iluzia gansakuTrebiT saSi-<br />

Sia maTTvis, vinc es-esaa alkoholizmis<br />

sawinaaRmdego samkurnalo<br />

kursi Caitara.<br />

_ rogorc praqtika cxadyofs,<br />

aseTebisTvis alkoholisadmi<br />

paTologiuri ltolvis<br />

kvlav gasaaqtiureblad erTi<br />

Wiqa ludis Sesmac ki sakmarisia.<br />

sjobs gaiTvaliswinoT<br />

_ 18 wlamde ludis sma maincdamainc<br />

sasurveli ar aris.<br />

_ Tu mis gareSe giWirT,<br />

ecadeT, dReSi naxevar litrze<br />

meti ar dalioT;<br />

_ kategoriulad akrZalulia<br />

ludTan erTad romelime<br />

sxva alkoholiani sasmelis daleva,<br />

radgan alkoholiT daTrgunuli<br />

tvini jerovnad veRar<br />

akontrolebs Tirkmelebis gaZlierebul<br />

muSaobas, rac erTiorad<br />

zrdis alkoholur mowamvlasa<br />

da gul-sisxlZarRvTa<br />

sistemis muSaobis darRvevis<br />

xarisxs;<br />

_ Zlieri fizikuri datvir-<br />

Tvis Semdeg civ luds maSinve<br />

nu dalevT, erTi saaTi mainc<br />

SeisveneT, Semdeg ki sasmeli<br />

nel-nela, ylup-ylupiT dalieT,<br />

ase arc Tirkmeli gaRiziandeba<br />

da arc iseTi didi da<br />

mrgvali Ripi da<strong>ge</strong>muqrebaT,<br />

ludis Zlier moyvarulebs<br />

sxvebisgan ase rom gamoarCevs.<br />

vis daqveiTebas, guliscemis Senelebas,<br />

qronikul yabzobas,<br />

Zvlovani qsovilis gamofitvas<br />

da menstrualuri ciklis dar-<br />

Rvevas.<br />

gamwmendi procedurebi organizmSi<br />

aseve arRvevs nivTierebaTa<br />

cvlas, Tavs iCens stomatologiuri<br />

problemebi, sanerwyve<br />

jirkvlebis gadideba, Cndeba<br />

boyini, gulZmarva, gulisreva,<br />

Rebineba, sabolood sisxlSi<br />

qveiTdeba natriumis done da<br />

SimSilisgan gamowveul sikvdilamde<br />

erTi nabijiRa rCeba.<br />

mkurnaloba _ anoreqsiis<br />

mkurnaloba gacilebiT xangrZlivi<br />

da rTulia. aucilebelia<br />

hospitalizacia, mkurnalobis<br />

safuZvels, gaZlierebuli kvebis<br />

garda, warmoad<strong>ge</strong>ns fsiqotropuli<br />

medikamentebi da fsiqoTerapia.<br />

mTavaria, pacientma<br />

daTrgunos sigamxdrisadmipaTologiuri<br />

ltolva, sakuTari<br />

Tavi mii-<br />

Ros iseTi, rogoric<br />

bunebam Seqmna.<br />

es, ra<br />

Tqma unda,<br />

fsiqoTerapevtisamocanaa.sabednierod,anoreqsia<br />

saerTod<br />

ar viTardeba<br />

axalnamSobiareb<br />

qalebSi,<br />

axalSobili dedas<br />

usityvod `arwmunebs~, rom<br />

misi sicocxlisa da janmrTelobisTvis<br />

safuZvlianad da racionalurad<br />

ikvebos.<br />

zviad RonRaZe

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#20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

21 aprils partia `qarTuli<br />

ocnebis~ prezentacia Sedga.<br />

gTavazobT yrilobis delegatebis<br />

komentarebs.<br />

dima jaiani: _ me yvelgan<br />

var, sadac qarTuli saqme keTdeba.<br />

axlac<br />

mgonia qarTuli<br />

saqme keTdeba.<br />

ise, rogorc<br />

afxaze-<br />

Tidan devnili<br />

kaci, erTs<br />

vityvi: imaT<br />

xelSi, vgulisxmob<br />

saakaSvilis xelisuflebas,<br />

afxazeTis dabrunebaze<br />

fiqric ar SeiZleba. imedi<br />

maqvs, `qarTuli ocneba~ sxva<br />

kuTxiT Sexedavs am problemas,<br />

roca movlen xelisuflebaSi.<br />

_ Tqveni gamocdilebas, Tu<br />

gamoiyenebs `qarTuli ocneba~<br />

afxazeTis sakiTxSi?<br />

_ Cven, albaT, baton biZinas<br />

male SevxvdebiT, sadac yvela<br />

problemaze dawvrilebiT visaubrebT.<br />

momavals optimisturad,<br />

imediT vuyureb.<br />

_ ramdenad moulodneli iyo<br />

partiis Tavmjdomared manana<br />

kobaxiZis arCeva?<br />

mamuka areSiZe: _ maincdamainc<br />

moulodneli ar yofila.sasiamovnomoulodnelobaSeiZleba<br />

davarqvaT<br />

mis arCevas.<br />

mas did pativs<br />

vcem. es<br />

iyo saukeTeso<br />

arCevani. Cemi<br />

azriT, swori nabiji gadadga<br />

sainiciativo jgufma da biZina<br />

ivaniSvilma, miuxedavad Cemi<br />

Rrma pativiscemisa ekaterine<br />

xvedeliZis mimarT, gauTavebel<br />

salaparakod gaxdeboda partiis<br />

Tavmjdomared misi arCeva. amitom<br />

mimaCnia, rom saukeTeso gamosavali<br />

moiZebna. manana kobaxi-<br />

Zes didi avtoriteti aqvs saqarTveloSic<br />

da ucxoeTSic.<br />

_ rogor xedavT `qarTuli<br />

ocnebis~ perspeqtivas?<br />

_ samuSao Zalian bevria. ar<br />

dagimalavT, zogjer momwons<br />

tempi da zogierTi organizaciuli<br />

nabiji. magram, rasakvirvelia,<br />

perspeqtiva aqvs, rogorc<br />

gulSematkivari da monawile<br />

vTvli, rom ufro meti centralizeba<br />

da Zlieri vertikalis<br />

Seqmnaa saWiro. sazogadoebisTvis<br />

saWir-boroto sakiTxebzec<br />

ufro bevria salaparako.<br />

_ Tu gamogiTqvamT xmamaRla<br />

Tqveni pretenziebi?<br />

_ ra Tqma unda, batoni bi-<br />

ZinasTvisac araerTxel miTqvams.<br />

me verasdros viqnebi utyvi<br />

wevri organizaciis, TviTon<br />

batoni biZina zogjer iTvaliswinebs<br />

sxvis azrs, zogjer ara,<br />

imas vabraleb imas, rom is gzadagza<br />

swavlobs.<br />

nikuSa Sen<strong>ge</strong>laia:<br />

_ me aq stumris statusiT<br />

var, es arCevani maTi partiuli<br />

sakiTxia. saerTod<br />

ki<br />

imedi didia,<br />

es adamiania,<br />

romelmac gadawyvitagamoiyvanosqveyana<br />

im siyalbisgan,<br />

usamarTlobidan, romelSic aRmovCndiT.<br />

perspeqtiva axla<br />

Cvenze, xalxzea. erTxel da samudamod<br />

moqalaqeebma unda gadawyviton,<br />

rom xelisufleba<br />

emsaxuros xalxs da ara piriqiT.<br />

batoni biZina ar modis xelisuflebaSi<br />

imisTvis, rom<br />

TviTon gakeTdes, rogorc xdeboda<br />

aqamde da migvaCvies, xalxi<br />

rom mSieri datoves. me gaZlevT<br />

imis garantias, rom ase<br />

ar moxdeba. am adamianma Tavisi<br />

qvelmoqmedebiT da moRvaweobiT<br />

martom SeZlo, vfiqrob, rom<br />

xelisuflebaSi mosvlis Semdeg<br />

xuTjer da aTjer mets gaakeTebs<br />

qarTveli xalxisTvis. es<br />

pirveli SemTxvevaa, rom xelisuflebaSi<br />

mosvlis survili<br />

gamoTqva adamianma, romelsac ar<br />

sWirdeba sakuTari materialuri<br />

mdgomareobis gaumjobeseba.<br />

mniSvnelovania es garemoeba,<br />

radgan CvenTan ase arasodes yofila.<br />

eka beselia: _ vfiqrob,<br />

yvelaferma Zalian kargad Caiara,gansakuTrebuli<br />

dRea,<br />

yvelas vulocav<br />

partiis<br />

dafuZnebas,<br />

mniSvnelovania,<br />

rom iwyeba<br />

axali etapi.<br />

yvelaferi<br />

win aris, bevri<br />

<strong>ge</strong>gma gvaqvs.<br />

manana kobaxiZe: _ iyo<br />

saubrebi sxvadasxva kandidatebze,<br />

magram arCevani yrilobam<br />

aseTi gaakeTa. saerTod,<br />

rodesac midixarpolitikaSi,moulodneli<br />

araferi<br />

unda iyos, sadacmoiTxovda<br />

saWiroeba,<br />

viqnebodi iq.<br />

sakanonmdeblo<br />

cvlilebebis<br />

ganxorcielebisTanave, baton<br />

biZinas eqneba saSualeba gaxdes<br />

am partiis Tavmjdomarec, iyaros<br />

kenWi da Sevides politikaSi.<br />

es aris mdgomareoba, romelic<br />

ganapiroba kanomdeblobaSi<br />

arsebulma xarvezebma, xelisuflebis<br />

qmedebebma, Cven am<br />

SemTxvevaSi vupasuxeT kanonis<br />

moTxovnebs. dRemde partia,<br />

rogorc aseTi, dafuZnebuli<br />

ar iyo, Sesabamisad, gatardeba<br />

registraciaSi iusticiis saministroSi<br />

da CaverTvebiT saar-<br />

Cevno procesebSi, Cveni mizania<br />

ocnebis realobad qceva.<br />

nodar xaduri: _ mniSvnelovani<br />

dRea, sazogadoeba<br />

elodeboda am dRes. samwuxarod,<br />

darbazma yvela msurveli<br />

ver daitia. molodini gamarTlda,<br />

marTalia<br />

iuridiuli<br />

niuansebi<br />

bevri iyo,<br />

magram mosaxleobisinteresidaakmayofilagacxadebulmasaprogramodokumentma.<br />

axla, rodesac iuridiulad<br />

davafuZneT partia, viwyebT<br />

brZolas avixdinoT qarTuli<br />

ocneba. Cveni mTavari <strong>ge</strong>gma is<br />

aris, rom viwyebT aqtiur muSa-<br />

`qarTuli ocneba~ _<br />

demokratiuli<br />

saqarTvelos~ yrilobaze<br />

obas qveynis yvela kuTxeSi, sofelSi.<br />

_ rogorc vici, TqvenTvisac<br />

moulodneli aRmoCnda partiis<br />

Tavmjdomared manana kobaxiZis<br />

arCeva...<br />

daviT facacia: _ ase<br />

vTqvaT, sasiamovno moulodneloba<br />

iyo. yvelas<br />

vicnob<br />

Cvens partia-<br />

Si, romlebic<br />

gamoirCevian<br />

patiosnebiT,<br />

erTgulebiT,<br />

saqmis codniT.darwmunebuli<br />

var<br />

momavalSic ufro met yuradRebas<br />

gamoiCenen, rogorc qveynis,<br />

aseve sazogadoebis mimarTac.<br />

axalgazrduli frTa gaaqtiurdeba<br />

da bevr siurprizsac SemogTavazebT.<br />

axalgazrdebs veraferi<br />

SegvaCerebs, gansakuTrebiT<br />

studentebi iaqtiureben.<br />

daviT usufaSvili: _<br />

dRes dasrulda<br />

axali<br />

partiis formirebisprocesi,romelic<br />

cota ga-<br />

Wianurda,<br />

radgan sainiciativojgufi<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis<br />

moqalaqeobis aRd<strong>ge</strong>nas<br />

elodeboda. Tavidanve iyo naTqvami,<br />

rom saakaSvili ver moaxerxebda<br />

am partiis formirebis<br />

Seferxebas. dRevandeli RonisZiebiT<br />

kidev erTxel davrwmundiT,<br />

rom `qarTuli ocneba~<br />

dasaxuli <strong>ge</strong>gmiT midis saparlamento<br />

arCevnebSi gamarjvebisken.<br />

darwmunebuli var yvela<br />

erTad avixdenT qarTul ocnebas.<br />

gia burduli<br />

gaecaniT `qarTuli<br />

ocnebis’’ deklaracias,<br />

nacebs ena mucel-<br />

Si CauvardebaT, iZaxon<br />

axla ruseTi da ruseTi.<br />

es oficialuri dokumentia<br />

ukve da faqtobrivad, samoqmedo<br />

programis wanamZRvrebic<br />

aris masSi asaxuli. ivaniSvilma<br />

ruseTSi biznesi TiTqmis<br />

gayida, CoCeli (anu merabiSvili)<br />

ki exla iwyebs ruseTis<br />

bazarze qarTuli limonaTis<br />

gatanas. mere vinme ityvis, ruseTs<br />

vebrZviTo.<br />

SevardnaZis gazrdilebi<br />

da aRmoCenebi<br />

arian: mixeil saakaSvili,<br />

mixeil maWavariani,<br />

giga bokeria, givi TargamaZe,<br />

vano merabiSvili, zurab<br />

adeiSvili, Zmebi kublaSvilebi,<br />

mama-Svili gabaSvili,<br />

xaTuna gogoriSvili, oCiauri<br />

da misnairebi.... e.w.opoziciidan<br />

sruliad qdm da misnairebi....<br />

eseni dRes xelisufleba-<br />

Si arian da Tavi yvelas pirveli<br />

skripka gonia.... ui, sikvdilsac<br />

daviwyebia gigi were-<br />

Teli... ))) amis gareSe moqkav-<br />

Sirul-nacionaluri Saika<br />

broSkis gareSea.... SevardnaZem<br />

gamozarda da fiandazad gaego<br />

biznesSi greCixas, ai, imas axali<br />

roa da arasdros Zveldeba....<br />

ivaniSvilTan misuli SevardnaZis<br />

askolkebi Cans mxolod,<br />

xoo? )))))<br />

ra dros es aris am<br />

dilaadrian, mara am<br />

“rusTavi-2”–is Jurnalistebmasaboolood<br />

gauberes:))<br />

yofil advokat manana<br />

kobaxiZes, romelic<br />

ivaniSvilis partiis<br />

Tavmjdomared<br />

airCies, pasuxs Txoven – ratom<br />

icavdi narkodiler boWoriSvilso:)))))))))))))<br />

es Jurnalistikaa Tu<br />

idiotebis doRia<br />

marTla?<br />

eg erTi da meorec,<br />

boWoriSvils miSas-<br />

Tis rom mietana is,<br />

rac mosTxoves, maSin<br />

ar iqneboda narkodileri? mesame,<br />

boWoriSvils fuli rom<br />

aaxies da im fuliT skolebSi<br />

saerTo gazeTi<br />

xalxis azriT<br />

kompiuterebi Seitanes, ukacravad<br />

da, SemTxveviT, kompebs<br />

kokainis suni xom ar asdis?<br />

me, rogorc metad<br />

cnobismoyvare adamians,<br />

mainteresebs, vin<br />

iyo is Jurnalisti,<br />

radgan es yvelaferi Zalian<br />

hgavda ,,dadgmul kiTxva-pasuxs’’.<br />

adamiani, romelsad<br />

didi wvlili miuZRvis<br />

samebis aSenebaSi<br />

da 400-mde eklesiamonastris<br />

restavraciaSi. “Jurnalisti”<br />

ekiTxeba jvars<br />

atarebo?<br />

ar sWirdeba ivaniSvils<br />

aseTi Sous<br />

dadgma...misi cxovrebis<br />

gza aCvenebs ...is<br />

rom qristiania Tu ara da atarebs<br />

Tu ara jvars, mxolod<br />

misi gadasawyvetia...da aseTi<br />

Jurnalistebis arseboba ...maCvenebelia<br />

ara imis Tu rogori<br />

ganaTleba aqvT miRebuli...aramed<br />

rogor ojaxebSi gaizardnen...da<br />

ra sazogadoeba varT<br />

Cven ... is rom man jvari aCvena..<br />

kidev erTi imis maCvenebelia,<br />

ramdenad TavdablobiT...gamoirCeva<br />

...<br />

raz, dva tri. . . zelen<br />

pakaJi:)))) `mamao<br />

Cvenos~ wakiTxvac<br />

unda moeTxova, marto<br />

jvari maCvene ra aris?:)))<br />

teraqtze mTavari pasuxism<strong>ge</strong>blobayovelTvis<br />

ekisreba organizators,<br />

romelic<br />

terorists tanze bombis damagrebas<br />

da Tavis afeTqebas<br />

aiZulebs. “maCvene jvari”,–<br />

imis niSania, rom Cvens qveyana-<br />

Si religiuri SuRlis da qsenofobiis<br />

gaRviZeba oficialurad<br />

waxalisebuli da dafinansebulia.<br />

es faqti ZirisZirobamde<br />

unda iqnas Seswavlili<br />

da pasuxi moeTxovos im<br />

jgufs, romelmac es SekiTxva<br />

Caudo TavSi Jurnalists da<br />

sajarod Tavis afeTqeba aiZula.<br />

“maCvene jvari”,– darCeba<br />

am xelisuflebis wiaRSi Seqmnil<br />

iseTive safirmo SekiTxvad,<br />

rogoricaa – “benzini xom<br />

iSova?!”<br />

SemogvierTdi<br />

facebook-ze<br />

<strong>`saerTo</strong> <strong>gazeTi~</strong><br />

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24 saerTo gazeTi #20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

mware gakveTilebi<br />

evroamerika, ruseTi da saqarTvelo<br />

ciklidan: omi bneleTTan _ ricxvi misi 666<br />

jemal davlianiZe<br />

risTvis dasWirdaT<br />

SevardnaZe da...<br />

yvelaferi mainc<br />

ruseTs dabraldeba<br />

SevardnaZem kompartiis cekas<br />

pirveli mdivnobisas mravali ubedureba<br />

daatexa saqarTvelos. Semdgom<br />

igi gadaiyvanes sabWoTa kav-<br />

Siris politbiuroSi da daniSnes<br />

sagareo saqmeTa ministrad. iqac,<br />

ruseTSi, rusi xalxis sawinaaRmdego<br />

davalebebs asrulebda! mere<br />

iyvira _ ruseTSi diqtatura modiso!<br />

disidentobac moindoma.<br />

TiTqos pensiaSic gavida da CrdiloeTSi<br />

unda dabanakebuliyo, magram<br />

isev dasWirda bneleTs, isev<br />

dasWirda demonur samyaros!<br />

risTvis?<br />

SevardnaZe dasWirdaT imitom,<br />

rom daemxoT saqarTveloSi 1990<br />

wlis 28 oqtombris arCevnebiT xelisuflebaSi<br />

mosuli erovnuli<br />

xelisufleba! saamisod saTanado,<br />

mosamzadebeli samuSaoebi winaswarve<br />

mimdinareobda. pirvel rig-<br />

Si, - unda ganadgurebuliyo sab-<br />

WoTa kavSiris daSlis Semdgom saqarTveloSi<br />

darCenili qoneba...<br />

saWiro Seiqna gantevebis vacis<br />

Zebna! aba, TviTon xom ar mospobdnen<br />

yvelafers. Soridan unda ecqiraT,<br />

raTa TiToeuli ubedureba<br />

sxvisTvis anu erovnuli xelisuflebisTvis<br />

daebralebinaT!<br />

manamde ki mzad iyo sami avtonomia:<br />

afxazeTi, aWara, samxreT<br />

oseTi da maT, roca surdaT, maSin<br />

gamoiyenebdnen. amisTvisac winaswar<br />

izrunes... piriqiTa saqarTvelo<br />

xom TiTqmis wagvarTves!<br />

maSin, batonebo, saqarTvelo<br />

sabWoTa kavSiris Semad<strong>ge</strong>nlobaSia<br />

da evroamerikas pirdapir ar SeeZlo<br />

Sinaur saqmeebSi Careva! Tumc,<br />

a<strong>ge</strong>r ar aris SevardnaZe? rao, ra,<br />

misi xeliT ver gakeTdeba qarTvelTaTvis<br />

ukeTuri saqme, romelic<br />

Semdgom mainc ruseTs dabraldeba?<br />

SevardnaZe ise grZnobs Tavs,<br />

rogorc Tevzi wyalSi! akeTe siborote<br />

ramdenic gsurs, daadamblave<br />

xalxi, hxoce, mowamle, daapatimre,<br />

daxvrite, - yvelaferi<br />

mainc ruseTs da mis mmarTvelebs<br />

dabraldebaT! aki kidec Tqva Semdgom<br />

(da dResac iZaxis!) me maSin<br />

ra SemeZlo _ WanWiki viyavi, brZanebebs<br />

vasrulebdio!<br />

SevardnaZis msgavsi adamianis<br />

gamonaxva arasodes ar aris advili.<br />

saSemsruleblo misia, romelsac<br />

viRaca zemdgomi gavalebs, saadvilo<br />

saqme ar gaxlavT. amitomac,<br />

kosmopoliti, uTavmoyvareo,<br />

usindiso, uzneo, yvelafris mkisrebeli<br />

adamianis, specadamianis gamoyvanaa<br />

saWiro! roca amas SeZleb,<br />

- Canafiqrsac advilad Seasruleb!<br />

ruseTs arasodes aklda SevardnaZis<br />

msgavsi <strong>ge</strong>nerlebi, marSlebi,<br />

ministrebi, romlebic arasodes,<br />

arc TviT ruseTis, arc<br />

sxva qveyanaTa keTildReobas ar<br />

emsaxurebodnen.<br />

rogorc zemoT mogaxseneT _<br />

yovelive bneleTis davalebiT keT-<br />

gagrZeleba. dasawyisi ix.<br />

<strong>`saerTo</strong> <strong>gazeTi~</strong> #14-19<br />

deboda, rusi xalxis momaval bedze<br />

aravin zrunavda. saxeli ki erqva<br />

ruseTi, magram interesebi rusi<br />

xalxisa, ar iyo daculi!<br />

im Soreuli warsulis gamoZaxili<br />

dResac saxezea.<br />

evropelebi mravlad iyvnen<br />

ruseTis imperiis mmarTvelobaSi,<br />

TviT maRal eSelonebSi, magram ZiriTadad,<br />

Turme, rogorc dRes<br />

Cans, isini TavianT bnel zraxvebs<br />

axorcielebdnen. swored amgvari<br />

adamianebis samSoblodan gvesmis<br />

dRes, rom ruseTi xifaTia msofliosio!<br />

mid<strong>ge</strong>ba saqme saqmeze da<br />

pirSi mogaxlian _ ruseTi borotebis<br />

imperiaao! am dros saWiroa<br />

moagono TavianTi winaprebis ubnelesi<br />

saqmianoba, romelsac eweodnen<br />

amave ruseTSi...<br />

sxvaTa Soris, evropelebs, roca<br />

sWirdebodaT, ruseTisken maxviliTac<br />

modiodnen da TviT moskovsac<br />

cecxls ukidebdnen. iqneb<br />

vcdebi? iqneb fran<strong>ge</strong>bi, <strong>ge</strong>rmanelebi,<br />

polonelebi, Svedebi arasodes<br />

wamosulan asi aTasiani armiebiT<br />

ruseTis asaoxreblad?<br />

auh da vah! Cven Cvens saqmes<br />

mivxedoT! Cvens ubedurebas SevxedoT<br />

TvalebSi!<br />

sad SevCerdiT?<br />

aha! bnelma samyarom saWirod<br />

CaTvala aRorZinebuli da damoukideblobis<br />

gzaze Semdgari saqar-<br />

Tvelo daemuSavebina anu maTxovrad<br />

eqcia!<br />

vin gvarTmevda da vin<br />

gvarTmevs miwa-wyals!<br />

unda iTqvas, evropa mudam<br />

xels uwyobda Tavisi wiaRidan gamosuli<br />

Cinovnikebis mier imperiad<br />

qceuli ruseTis gaSla-gafarToebas,<br />

rasac sisxlis wvimebic axlda.<br />

evropam, batonebo, jer kidev<br />

Sua saukuneebSi cxvirwin mogvijaxuna<br />

kari qarTvelebs. sulxansabas<br />

Txovna ar miiRes. CvenTvis<br />

ver moicales. igive moxda ruse-<br />

Tis mefis karzec, radgan vaxtang<br />

VI-is dros, ruseTs TiTqmis gadacmuli<br />

evropelebi marTavdnen...<br />

kidec SeviqeniT sparseTis da osmaleTis<br />

sajijgn teritoriad!<br />

TvalsaCinoebisaTvis, avd<strong>ge</strong>T<br />

da gadavxedoT istorias. ufro<br />

wina wlebSi gadavinacvloT, SevxedoT<br />

ruseTis imperiis saqmianobas<br />

Cvens mimarT.<br />

vfiqrob da Tqvenc darwmundebiT,<br />

rom, rasac qvemoT waikiTxavT,<br />

arc qarTveli da arc<br />

rusi xalxis (rogorc aseTis!) interesebSi<br />

sulac ar Sedioda!<br />

sailustraciod ivane javaxiSvils<br />

mivmarToT da mis erT saintereso<br />

werils gadavavloT Tvali,<br />

romlis saTauria: `ase xorcieldeboda<br />

ruseTis mzakvruli mizani~<br />

(gazeTi `iberia-speqtri~,<br />

1991, #11, 319):<br />

`ruseTis mTavrobisagan saqar-<br />

Tvelos damoukideblobis mospobisTanave<br />

rusi xelmwifis warmomad<strong>ge</strong>nelni,<br />

erTis mxriv, somex<br />

moxeleTa dawinaurebiT, meores<br />

mxriv, nasaldaTarTa dasaxlebiT,<br />

saqarTvelos mosaxleobis interesebis<br />

SelaxviTa da miwa-wylis<br />

eTnografiuli aWrelebiT, qarTvelTa<br />

mosalodneli politikuri<br />

moZraobisgan uzrunvelyofas cdilobdnen.<br />

somxebi maT apolitikur<br />

xalxad hyavdaT miCneuli da amas-<br />

Tanave, TavianT erTgulad<br />

sTvlidnen. ukve 1928 wlidan moyolebuli,<br />

rodesac qarTveli mahmadianebiT<br />

dasaxlebuli samcxejavaxeTi,<br />

eruSeTi da palakacio<br />

ruseTma osmaleTs waarTva da<br />

mcxovrebni iseT sulier ganwyobilebaSi<br />

Caagdo, rom qarTvelma mahmadianebma<br />

samosaxloTagan ayra da<br />

osmaleTSi gadasaxleba irCies.<br />

grafma paskeviCma qarTvelebs lix-<br />

TimereTidgan iq gadasaxlebis neba<br />

ar misca da osmaleTidan gadasaxlebul<br />

somexTagan 30 000 mcxovrebi<br />

Caasaxla. am xelovnuri saSualebiT<br />

mesxeTSi, sadac 1828 wlamde<br />

qarTvelTa mosaxleoba 90%s<br />

aRemateboda, 1832 wels ukve<br />

rus moxeleTa wyalobiT umravlesoba<br />

somexni iyvnen (vin iyo paskeviCi,<br />

yvelas Cinebulad moexseneba.<br />

viTom raime gansxvavebaa SevardnaZes<br />

da paskeviCs Soris? gavixsenoT<br />

SevardnaZis bneli saqmianoba<br />

afxazeTSi da samaCabloSi, romelic<br />

qarTvelTa ayra-awiokebiT da<br />

iq somexTa da sxvaTa CasaxlebiT<br />

dasrulda. batonebo, hgvanan Tu<br />

ara, paskeviCi da SevardnaZe erTmaneTs?<br />

da, TiToeuli maTgani rusebi<br />

iyvnen Tu ara? Tavad rusi<br />

xalxis interesebSi Sedioda Tu<br />

ara am ori adamianis mier Cadenili<br />

codvani? _ j.d.).<br />

me-19 saukunis samociani wlebidan<br />

moyolebuli, ruseTis politikuri<br />

wreebi (SevardnaZis da<br />

paskeviCis sulieri Zmebi! _ j.d.)<br />

ukve yovelgvar RonisZiebas xmarobdnen,<br />

rom amierkavkasia mosaxleobiTac<br />

rusulad qceuliyo.<br />

1864 w. m. katkovs marto rus nasaldaTarTa<br />

dasaxleba aRar akmayofilebda<br />

da imazec ocnebobda,<br />

rom amierkavkasiaSi marto qalaqebi<br />

ki ara, aramed soflebic Tanda-<br />

TanobiT rusebiT avsebuliyo.<br />

amisaTvis erT-erT xelSemwyob<br />

saSualebad, mas kavkasiaSi da ker-<br />

Zod, Savi zRvis sanapiroze, rus<br />

TavadaznaurTa gadasaxleba miaCnda.<br />

magram am dros, ruseTis mTavroba<br />

rusebis CamosaxlebiT poloneTis<br />

garusebas cdilobda, amitom<br />

darwmundnen ra, rom amdeni xalxi<br />

ar hyavdaT, amave xanebSi somexma<br />

kananovma sakolonizaciod zeiTu-<br />

nis somxebis gadmosaxlebis proeqti<br />

wamoayena. katkovma, aq rusi<br />

kolonistebis simciris gamo, mas<br />

mxari dauWira da politikuri da<br />

ekonomikuri miznebiT, mizanSewonilad<br />

scno _ somxebi Cveni erTguli<br />

momxrenic iqnebian da viTarca<br />

vaWari xalxi, Tan fulsac mogvitaneno.<br />

am azrs, rom amierkavkasiaSi<br />

dasasaxleblad somxebi yofiliyvnen<br />

gamoyenebulni, iseTi<br />

gavleniani Savrazmelis dasturis<br />

Semdgom, rogorc katkovi iyo,<br />

mTavrobis adgilobrivi umaRlesi<br />

warmomad<strong>ge</strong>nloba miemxro da somxebis<br />

dasaxlebas Seudga. somxeb-<br />

Tan erTad, <strong>ge</strong>rmanelebis da estonelebis<br />

Camosaxlebasac mihyves xeli.<br />

rusebi cotani Candnen (ra<br />

Tqma unda, imitom, rom TviT ubralo<br />

rus xalxs sruliad ar<br />

surda sakuTari miwidan ZaliZalad<br />

sxvagan Casaxlebuliyo! _<br />

j.d.). amgvarad, is moxda, rom Tavisufali<br />

miwebis dasaxleba<br />

sakolonizacio saqmes<br />

srulebiTac ar qmnida da<br />

Tanac qarTvelebs gafarToebis<br />

saSualebas uspobda.<br />

es garemoeba ki rus politikosebs,<br />

rasakvirvelia,<br />

odnavadac ar awuxebda.<br />

1887 wels igive katkovi,<br />

ukve gahkioda, Savi zRvis<br />

sanapiroze yvelas asaxleben<br />

mcire aziidan, avstriidan<br />

da <strong>ge</strong>rmaniiTganac, mxolod<br />

rusebi ar Canano (sakiTxavi<br />

xom aris _ Tu rusebi<br />

iyvnen dainteresebuli<br />

TavianTi mosaxleobis anu<br />

WeSmariti rusebis CamosaxlebiT,<br />

am avstrielebs Tu<br />

<strong>ge</strong>rmanelebs, xels vinRa<br />

uwyobda? vis SeeZlo ruse-<br />

Tis imperiaSi TviT rusis-<br />

Tvis SeeSala xeli da avstria-<strong>ge</strong>rmania<br />

win daeyenebina?<br />

gana es faqti ar miuTiTebs<br />

imaze, rom xelisuflebaSi maSin<br />

ararusni anu ucxo jilagis adamianebi<br />

iyvnen? gana paskeviCi da<br />

SevardnaZe, erTi da igive saqmes<br />

ar emsaxurebodnen? _ j.d.). katkovi<br />

sakolonizacio sakiTxs politikur-erovnul<br />

sakiTxad sTvlida<br />

da rus moaxalSeneTa gaZlierebas<br />

moiTxovda.<br />

somxebis saqarTveloSi Camosaxlebis<br />

politikis sulisCamdgmelad<br />

da mxurvale, marjve ganmaxorcieleblad<br />

al. da g. xatisovebis<br />

mama _ iv. stefanes Ze xatisovi<br />

iyo, romelic 1855 wlidan<br />

1875 w. saxelmwifo qonebaTa da<br />

sasoflo meurneobis sammarTvelo-<br />

Si, amierkavkasiaSi gavleniani Tanamdebobis<br />

pirad iTvleba. mis<br />

dros da misi daxmarebiT, bevri<br />

somexi Camosaxlda saqarTveloSi<br />

_ borCaloSi, Savi zRvis sanapiroze<br />

da javaxeTSi. raki Savi zR-<br />

vis sanapiro politikurad mniSvnelovan<br />

adgilad iTvleboda da es<br />

adgilic rom somxebisTvis daeTmoT,<br />

man wamoayena ori mosazreba<br />

_ raki es qveyana umaRles sameurneo<br />

kulturis kerad unda iqces,<br />

aq dasaxlebis ufleba, amgvari<br />

kulturis mqones unda mieceso.<br />

rusebi sul sxva havasa da marto<br />

xorbleulis kulturas arian miCveulni<br />

da aqauri ciebisagan daixocebiano.<br />

somxebi da berZnebi ki<br />

ciebian adgilebs miCveulni arian,<br />

am kuTxes gaaSroben, aayvaveben da<br />

Semdeg rusebis dasasaxlebladac<br />

gamod<strong>ge</strong>bao, magram bolos, somex-<br />

Ta gadmosaxlebis azris momwonebelma,<br />

katkovmac dainaxa, rom aq<br />

ubralo oinbazoba iyo da 1881<br />

wels ukve swerda, rom Tu Savi<br />

zRvis sanapiroze rusebi daixocebian,<br />

gana <strong>ge</strong>rmanel, somex da ber-<br />

Zen moxaliseebsac xom igive daemarTebaTo,<br />

magram saqme ukve iyo<br />

da aRmoCnda, rom sxvebisaTvis Tavisufali<br />

samosaxlo adgili iq<br />

Turme aRar arsebobda. am dros<br />

qarTveli xalxi aravis axsovda.<br />

Tavis mama-papeul miwa-wyalze dasaxleba<br />

yvelaze upirvelesad xom<br />

misi ufleba iyo, amis ga<strong>ge</strong>ba da<br />

gagoneba arc ruseTis mTavrobas<br />

(romelic savse iyo ararusi erovnebis<br />

adamianebiT! _ j.d.) da arc<br />

mis somex moxeles, ar surdaT...<br />

cxadi gaxda, rom garkveuli politikur-erovnuli<br />

<strong>ge</strong>gmis, gabneul<br />

somexTaTvis erTi mTliani teritoriis<br />

Sesaqmnelad iyo arCeuli<br />

adgilebi saaxalSenod... am<br />

dros msoflio omic atyda. ruse-<br />

Tis mTavrobam osmaleTSi samxedro<br />

moqmedebis gasaadvileblad<br />

daSnakebs osmaleTis somxebis<br />

ajanyeba urCia. Tan dahpirdnen,<br />

rom osmaleTis somxebs gaanTavisuflebdnen<br />

da ruseTis fargleb-<br />

Si avtonomiasac miscemdnen. somxebi<br />

gansazRvrul dros ajanydnen,<br />

magram osmalebi gabriyvebuli somxebis<br />

sazizRar Jletas Seudgnen.<br />

vinc moaswro gamoqceva amierkavkasiaSi,<br />

sparseTSi an sxvagan, gadarCa,<br />

magram didZali xalxi msxverplad<br />

Seewira...<br />

<strong>ge</strong>rmaniis damarcxebis Semdeg<br />

osmalebic frang-ingliselebs damorCildnen.<br />

stambolSi da Semdeg<br />

amierkavkasiis respublikebSi ingliselebisa<br />

da misi mokavSireebis<br />

saokupacio jari rom gamoCnda,<br />

daSnakel somexTa mTavrobas da<br />

politikur wreebs, didi somxeTis<br />

aRd<strong>ge</strong>nis imedi kvlav mieca. swored<br />

am dros, 1918 w. stambolSi<br />

daibeWda somxeTis viTomc istoriuli<br />

ruka, romelic Savi zRvidan<br />

kaspiis zRvamdea gadaWimuli<br />

da samsonis aRmosavleTiT Sav<br />

zRvaze mdebare adgilTagan xmel-<br />

TaSua zRvamde aRwevs da selevkis<br />

CrdiloeTiT mdebare adgilTagan,<br />

<strong>ixileT</strong> <strong>`saerTo</strong> <strong>gazeTi~</strong><br />

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q. ardebilis odnav CrdiloeTiT<br />

mimavali xaziT, am sruliad somxe-<br />

Tis sazRvari kaspiis zRvasTan Tavdeba.<br />

baTumi, axalcixe, TviT mcxe-<br />

Ta da tfilisic ki somxeTis kuTvnilebadaa<br />

CaTvlili da saqarTvelos<br />

mxolod patara, viwro zoli<br />

aqvs mikuTvnebuli (kargad daakvirdiT<br />

megobrebo, xsenebuli ruka daibeWda<br />

stambolSi, osmaleTSi, romelic<br />

im dros frang-ingliselebs<br />

emorCileboda. raRa Tqma unda, aq<br />

evropelebis xeli urevia da TavianT<br />

saqmes akeTeben! _ j.d.).<br />

amav dros, imav stambolSi, zemoTxsenebuli<br />

fantastikuri istoriuli<br />

rukisda mixedviT, gamocemul<br />

iqna axali, sruliad somxeTis<br />

saxelmwifo ruka, romelSiac somxeTi<br />

uSvelebel saxelmwifod aris<br />

warmod<strong>ge</strong>nili: osmaleTis didi nawili<br />

Sig aris moqceuli: trapizoni,<br />

ordu, q. kesaria, adana, edessa,<br />

TviT sparseTis CrdiloeTi nawilic<br />

q. TavriziTa da ardebiliT<br />

somxeTis kuTvnilebad aris aRbeWdili.<br />

fantastikur rukasTan SedarebiT<br />

aq saqarTvelos odnav daTmobili<br />

aqvs sazRvari Sav zRvaze,<br />

romelic baTumis samxreTiT iwyeba,<br />

magram axalcixe saqarTveloSia<br />

moqceuli, samagierod, axalqalaqi<br />

ukve somxeTSia da aqedan mosazRvre<br />

xazi CrdiloeTisken iwevs, saqarTvelo-somxeTis<br />

sazRvari mtkvris<br />

gaswvriv miemarTeba da q. ganjac<br />

somxeTsaa mikuTvnebuli. cxadia,<br />

rom axali somxeTis saxelmwifosaTvis<br />

aseTi sazRvrebi eTnografiuli<br />

principebis mixedviT ar<br />

aris Semofargluli, es <strong>ge</strong>gma arc<br />

istoriul safuZvelzea damyarebuli,<br />

radgan arasodes aseTi<br />

somxeTi, romelic me-11 saukunis<br />

Semdeg politikurad aRar arsebobda,<br />

ar yofila. SeiZleba iTqvas,<br />

rom mis Semd<strong>ge</strong>nelT odnavi litoni<br />

saRi gonierebac ar atyviaT (ai,<br />

evropeli `Zmebi~, rogor cdilobdnen<br />

kavkasiaSi areul-dareuloba gamoewviaT<br />

da Semdgom eTareSaT! _<br />

j.d.).<br />

aseTi fantastikuri rukis winaaRmdeg<br />

osmaleTis delegacias didi<br />

brZola ar dasWirebia, radgan<br />

statistikuri cnobebiT daamtkica,<br />

rom somexTa mosaxleobas omamde<br />

arsebuli raodenobis mixedviTac am<br />

uzarmazar saxelmwifoSi oTxkuTxa<br />

versze 2-3 sulze meti somexi arc<br />

ki eyolebodaT. somexTa delegaciis<br />

mier ward<strong>ge</strong>nili rukis siyalbe<br />

yvelasaTvis cxadi Seiqna da TviT<br />

frangi, ingliseli da amerikeli<br />

warmomad<strong>ge</strong>nlebis TvalSi somexTa<br />

delegaciis fantastikur <strong>ge</strong>gmebs<br />

yovelgvari ndoba daukarga (rogor<br />

ggoniaT, megobrebo, frangma, ingliselma<br />

da amerikelebma maSinve ar<br />

icodnen, ra yalbi rukebi Sead<strong>ge</strong>nines<br />

somxebs? icodnen da Tan, kargadac<br />

icodnen. rogorc vxedavT, ra<br />

<strong>ge</strong>gmebic maSin gaaCndaT kavkasiaSi,<br />

igive ga<strong>ge</strong>biT moqmedeben dResac da<br />

maTi veragul CanafiqrTa gamo, kavkasieli<br />

xalxi, maT Soris saqarTveloc,<br />

dRemde mwared itanjeba! _<br />

j.d.).<br />

...saqarTvelom Tavisad mxolod<br />

tfilisis, quTaisis da baTumis guberniebi<br />

gamoacxada. somxeTis respublika,<br />

osmaleTis somxeTis garda,<br />

romelic xelidan wauvida,<br />

erevnis guberniis garda, yarsis<br />

olqsac, artaan-arTviniTurT epatroneboda,<br />

magram amiT ar dakmayofilebula.<br />

winaswar faruli samxedro<br />

samzadisis Semdgom, inglisis<br />

saokupacio jaris ufross, <strong>ge</strong>neral<br />

uofesTan SeTanxmebiT, 1918<br />

w. dekembris damdegs somxeTis daSnakelTa<br />

mTavrobam Tavisi jari saqarTvelos<br />

Semousia da Tanac sagareo<br />

saqmeTa ministris piriT, saqarTvelos<br />

ultimatumi wauyena,<br />

qarTlis sazRvramde daexia... radganac<br />

qarTlad somxebi goris mazras<br />

sTvlian, cxadia, rom es ultimatumi<br />

tfilisis daclasac gulisxmobda<br />

da amgvarad, zemoaRniSnuli<br />

somxeTis or rukasTan, yvelaze uf-<br />

ro fantastikur, viTomc istoriuli<br />

rukis sazRvrebis aRd<strong>ge</strong>nas cdilobda<br />

(zogierT Cems Tanamemamules,<br />

romelic amerika-evropas gahyviris<br />

da ruseTis garda, mtrad<br />

aravin miaCnia, vurCev, kargad daakvirdes<br />

da kargad waikiTxos, rogor<br />

waaqeza ingliselma <strong>ge</strong>neralma<br />

daSnakel somexTa jari Tbilisisken<br />

wamosuliyo. Tan daimaxsovreT,<br />

rom sadac inglisia, iqve, sul axlos<br />

mudam amerikaa, romelic<br />

odiTganve sxvisi xeliT naris glejasaa<br />

miCveuli! _ j.d.). osmaleTSi<br />

saqmis wa<strong>ge</strong>bas somexT politikosTa<br />

mada saqarTvelos wasarTmevad da<br />

dasakuTrebisaTvis, aramc Tu daukargavT,<br />

piriqiT _ gazrdiaT kidec<br />

da Zveli somxeTis viTomc istoriuli<br />

aRd<strong>ge</strong>na qarTveli xalxis xarjze<br />

undodaT.<br />

sxva gziT da sxva saSualebiT<br />

daSnakelTa am <strong>ge</strong>gmis ganxorcielebis<br />

mcdeloba SemdegSic ar<br />

Sewyvetila... lores raionis somxeTTan<br />

SeerTebis <strong>ge</strong>gmis ganxorcielebas<br />

somxebma mainc miaRwies,<br />

Tumca es qarTveli xalxis mesaqonleobis<br />

interesebisaTvis saziano<br />

iyo. 1922 w. somexTa imave wreebis<br />

mier, axali proeqti iqna ward<strong>ge</strong>nili,<br />

rom javaxeTis anu axalqalaqis<br />

mazris udidesi nawili<br />

borCalos mazrasTan yofiliyo SeerTebuli<br />

da erTi somxuri administraciuli<br />

erTeuli Seqmniliyo.<br />

radgan somexTa erovnuli interesi<br />

enisa, skolisa da adgilobrivi<br />

mmarTvelobis mxriv, uzrunvelyofili<br />

iyo da Tanac borCalos mazrasa<br />

da javaxeTs Soris, araferia<br />

saerTo arc <strong>ge</strong>ografiulad, arc<br />

ekonomikurad, maT Soris arsebuli<br />

maRali da gauvali mTebis<br />

gamo, fizikuri kavSiric ki SeuZlebelia.<br />

cxadia, es <strong>ge</strong>gmac mxolod<br />

am ori mazris saqarTvelos<br />

ssr sazRvrebTagan gamoyofis da<br />

somxeTTan SeerTebisaTvis ostaturad<br />

mogonili pirveli safexuris<br />

proeqti iyo, romelsac aucileblad<br />

meorec mohyveboda. sakmarisia,<br />

adamianma daSnakelTa rukebs<br />

Tvali gadaavlos, rom misTvis na-<br />

Teli gaxdes, rom aqac brZola<br />

mxolod imave winandeli mizniT,<br />

sxva gziT ganxorcielebisaTvis<br />

swarmoebda.<br />

ssrk Sinagan saqmeTa komisariatma,<br />

axalqalaqis da borCalos<br />

mazrebis mcxovrebTa azris da eTnografiul-ekonomikurifaqtorebis<br />

gamo, am <strong>ge</strong>gmis ganxorcieleba<br />

SeuZleblad scno, rac man, 1923 w.<br />

Tebervals, komunisturi partiis<br />

centralur komitets #299/157<br />

acnoba kidec da centralurma komitetma<br />

es daskvna daadastura kidec.<br />

amis Semdgom somexTa imave STagonebiT,<br />

wamoyenebul iqna saqarTvelos<br />

yaraia-Siraqis velis somxebiT<br />

dasaxlebis proeqti. es adgili unda<br />

sarwyavi arxebis gayvaniT morwyuliyo<br />

da iq somxebs mebambeobis<br />

meurneoba unda moewyoT, romelic,<br />

maTi sityviT, ruseTis safeiqro interesebisaTvis<br />

friad mniSvnelovania<br />

da saWiro. sagulisxmoa, rom am<br />

SemTxvevaSiac, iv. xatisoviseburi<br />

mosazreba iyo warmod<strong>ge</strong>nili. is,<br />

rom wyali qarTvels xalxisaTvis<br />

ar hyofnis da am mindvrebis morwyva,<br />

qarTuli sameurneo kulturis<br />

ganadgurebas udrida, amaze somexi<br />

politikosebi ar fiqrobdnen. somexTa<br />

am proeqtis ganxorcielebis<br />

sruli SeuZleblobis damtkiceba<br />

saqarTvelos miwaTmoqmedebis komisariatisaTvis<br />

araviTar siZneles<br />

ar warmoad<strong>ge</strong>nda da amgvarad, es<br />

proeqtic uaryofili iqna (maSin<br />

xelisuflebaSi SevardnaZe-saakaSvili<br />

rom yofiliyo, somexTa es proeqti<br />

aucileblad ganxorcieldeboda!<br />

_ j.d.). damaxasiaTebelia, rom<br />

fr. nansenmac, tfilisSi Camosvlis-<br />

Tanave, amave sakiTxze daiwyo laparaki<br />

da undoda gaego, Tu ramdenad<br />

SesaZlebeli iyo saqarTvelos am<br />

kuTxeSi ltolvili somxebis dasaxleba.<br />

cxadia, rom fr. nansensa<br />

da aqaur somexTa politikosebs<br />

sulis wmindis STagonebiT ar mosvliaT<br />

erTi da igive azri, aramed,<br />

aq Cven somxeTisaTvis politikuri<br />

teritoriis xelovnurad Seqmnis,<br />

daSnakelTa Zveli, zemoTaRniSnul<br />

rukebze aRbeWdili <strong>ge</strong>gmis ganxorcielebis<br />

xelaxal mcdelobasTan<br />

gvaqvs saqme (rogorc vxedavT, es<br />

vinme fr. nanseni, sulac ar aris<br />

rusi da igi saqarTvelos daqucmacebis<br />

erTerTi pirwavardnili mosurnea!<br />

_ j.d.).<br />

dasasrul, exla oriode sityva<br />

kidev viTomc erTs axal proeqtze<br />

_ javaxeTisaTvis avtonomiis<br />

miniWebisa da gamoyofis aucileblobis<br />

Sesaxeb. yvela zemonaTqvamis<br />

Semdgom, cxadia, Tu saidan da risiTvis<br />

momdinareobs es proeqtic.<br />

arc <strong>ge</strong>ografiuli da arc ekonomikuri<br />

pirobebi ar Secvlila. somexTa<br />

erovnuli interesi exla xom<br />

savsebiT uzrunvelyofilia? maS,<br />

riTRa aris, es viTomc axali <strong>ge</strong>g-<br />

ma gamowveuli, Tu ara imave politikur-teritorialuri<br />

miznis misaRwevad?<br />

am <strong>ge</strong>gmis ganxorcielebiT,<br />

amave dros qarTveli mSromeli<br />

xalxis im nawils, romelic mesaqonleobas<br />

misdevs, arsebobis<br />

ukanaskneli lukma unda eqnes piriTgan<br />

gamoglejili da mecxvareoba<br />

saqarTveloSi unda moispos<br />

sruliad. ... es imdenad daujerebeli<br />

ramea, rom darwmunebuli var,<br />

ssr mTavroba am proeqtsac uaryofs<br />

imgvaradve, rogorc uaryofili<br />

iyo imave wreebiTgan gamomdinare<br />

zemoaRniSnuli amisive msgavsi<br />

proeqtebi~.<br />

didi qarTveli mecnieris, ivane<br />

javaxiSvilis es sagulisxmo werili<br />

tyuilad ar moviyvane samagaliTod.<br />

TvalsaCinoa, rom saqarTvelos<br />

miwebis okupacias eSmakuri<br />

xerxebiTa Tu samxedro agresiiT,<br />

mravali ucxoeli, igive evropelebi,<br />

amerikelebi, somxebi da<br />

osmaloebi cdilobdnen. sainteresoa,<br />

am ybadaRebuli dasavleTisken<br />

da amerikisken TvalmiWyetili SevardnaZe-saakaSvilebi,<br />

ratom krints<br />

ar Zraven? ratom iyrian Tavze<br />

nacars da erTaderT mtrad, raRa<br />

rusebs asaxeleben?<br />

(gagrZeleba Semdeg nomerSi)<br />

saerTo gazeTi<br />

xalxis azriT<br />

am klounebisTvis,<br />

vgulisxmob, nacebs<br />

da maT msaxurebs,<br />

TviTonve amtkiceben,<br />

rom politika Soua! Tan es<br />

briyvi Jurnalisti, savaraudod,<br />

realtividan, vinc biZinas<br />

mosTxova jvris Cveneba,<br />

samjer imeorebs amas, rom<br />

Turme misTvis politika<br />

Soua, arada, marTla asea amaT<br />

xelSi.<br />

xoda, amitomac aris saqar-<br />

Tvelo dRes aseT yofaSi! ase<br />

gindaT nacebs qveynis aSeneba?<br />

Tqveni aSenebuli saqarTvelo<br />

ar gaiSva!!!<br />

vTvli, rom kai arCevania<br />

kobaxiZe. absoluturad<br />

veTanxmebi,<br />

rom misi meuRlis<br />

kandidatura ar wamoayena. eg<br />

Secdoma iqneboda. ara imitom,<br />

rom eka xvedeliZes viwuneb.<br />

ara. ubralod, axla is situaciaa,<br />

rom samarTlebrivad<br />

sworad unda imoqmedos da misi<br />

partiis yovelive nabijs<br />

lupiT daakvirdebian da ar<br />

unda moxdes rame iuridiuli<br />

Secdoma.<br />

qarTul politikas<br />

exumrebi, kaco??? aq<br />

politika ki ara boi<br />

bez pravil gaxlavT:)))<br />

am TamaSs misi wesebi<br />

mainc aqvs Tavisi uuubinZuresi<br />

teqnologiebiT da am weseb-<br />

Si garkveva da am teqnologiebis<br />

daswavla ki ara mxolod<br />

progresuli versia unda warmoadginos<br />

mo<strong>ge</strong>bis mosurnem!!!<br />

anu wesieri avanturistebia<br />

saWiro dRes qarTul politikaSi:)))<br />

sadme Tu aRmoaCinoT<br />

aucileblad gamacaniT:))<br />

gixaroden, cezar da<br />

iago CoCelebis limonaTi<br />

mterTan Sevida...<br />

(ura) patriotizmis<br />

gamovlinebaaa... miSa, Seni<br />

gubernatoris rusul fuls<br />

nomeri ara aqvs, xom?!<br />

biZina ivaniSvili:<br />

„mSvidobiani ganviTarebis<br />

saSualeba mivceT<br />

Cvens lamaz qveyanas,<br />

mSvidobiani momavali<br />

SeuqmnaT Cvens momaval Taobebs“.<br />

eseTi imediani 20 welia<br />

ar vyofilvar, d<strong>ge</strong>ba iberiis<br />

gabrwyinebis Jami da amas win<br />

verc erTi eSmakis mociquli<br />

ver daud<strong>ge</strong>ba Cven gadavrCebiT<br />

gavZlierdebiT da Cvens sityvas<br />

vetyviT mTel samyaros<br />

rom Cven ara varT fasaduri<br />

reformebis da SeniRbuli demokratiis<br />

mqone qveyana, aramed<br />

varT Zalian amayi, Zalian<br />

kulturuli da Zalian Seupovari<br />

eri, romlisganac bevrs<br />

SeuZlia iswavlos da magali-<br />

Ti aiRos. erTad avixdinoT<br />

qarTuli ocneba, madloba baton<br />

biZinas am udidesi imedisTvis.<br />

ariqaaa, gveSvela<br />

trampi Camosula<br />

:)))) ra iCaliCes<br />

rom partiis dafuZneba<br />

gadaefaraT :))) amaT ise<br />

mosdiT, kaci dedis saflavs<br />

rom gadaabijebs da sidedris<br />

saflavze guli wauva. qarTvel<br />

biznesmens da udides mecenats<br />

saqarTvelos istoria-<br />

Si moqalaqeobas arTmeven da<br />

viRacas fexqveS e<strong>ge</strong>bian, kacs<br />

romelic 1 dolaris Camdebi<br />

araa saqarTveloSi. Cvenma veronikam<br />

isic moroSa, ai, es<br />

aris mwvane Suqi msoflio<br />

biznesmenebisTviso da exla<br />

moawydebian saqarTvelos sazRvrebs<br />

fulis tomrebiTo<br />

:)))<br />

vicodi qarTuli Jurnalistikisnulovani<br />

done (mcire gamonaklisis<br />

garda),<br />

magram dRevandelma SekiTxvebma<br />

damarwmuna, rom isini nuls<br />

qvemoT arian. gansakuTrebiT<br />

komikuria maTi kiTxvebis “globaluri”<br />

xasiaTi da qarTul<br />

literaturaSi testirebis Catarebis<br />

mcdeloba. gvaCveneT<br />

jvari- au, kaci rom viyo,<br />

Seeiginebdi, ra uxamsobaa. mokled,<br />

magrad gabiTurdnen.<br />

`zrdilobianma” Jurnalistebma<br />

batoni<br />

biZina striptizSi<br />

CaiTries! netav vis<br />

mosdis azrad samebis maSenebelisa<br />

da uamravi eklesia-monastris<br />

aRmd<strong>ge</strong>nis rwmena eWvqveS<br />

daayenos? ise, informaciisTvis:<br />

ivanaSvilebi, tradiciulad,<br />

Worvilis macxovris<br />

eklesiis mgaloblebi iyvnen.<br />

SemogvierTdi<br />

facebook-ze<br />

<strong>`saerTo</strong> <strong>gazeTi~</strong><br />

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26 saerTo gazeTi #20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

7 produqti, romlebic mavnea qalis janmrTelobisTvis<br />

naxevarfabrikatebi<br />

bevri qalbatoni samsaxurSi atarebs<br />

swrafi momzadebis wvnians.<br />

wvniani <strong>ge</strong>mrielia da advilad mosam-<br />

zadebeli. magram am sakvebSi didi<br />

raodenobiT natriumis glutamati<br />

Sedis, rac <strong>ge</strong>mos gamaZlierebeli qimiuri<br />

saSualebaa, da didi raodenobiT<br />

marili, yovelive es azianebs<br />

Tirkmelsa da RviZls.<br />

gazirebuli wvenebi<br />

maTi mavneobis Sesaxeb sayovelTaodaa<br />

cnobili. is azianebs kbilis<br />

emals, iwvevs sxvadasxva daavadebebs,<br />

magaliTad, gulis daavadebebs, oseoporozs,<br />

diabets, simsuqnes.<br />

gamomcxvari desertebi<br />

isinic janmrTelobis pirveli<br />

mtrebi arian. Seicaven didi raodenobiT<br />

kancero<strong>ge</strong>nebs, maTSi Sedis Saqari,<br />

cximebi, romlebic Termulad<br />

muSavdebda da janmrTelobas did<br />

zians ayenebs. am sakvebis regularuli<br />

miReba qolesterinis Semcvelobas<br />

zrdis organizmSi.<br />

msubuqi spirtiani<br />

sasmelebi<br />

am nayenebSi bevri Saqari da nax-<br />

Sirwylebia. qalebi, romlebic regularulad<br />

iReben aseT preparatebs,<br />

maTi organizmi mravali daavadebis<br />

kera xdeba.<br />

hitleris da samxreT<br />

uralSi cxovrobda<br />

icodiT, rom uralSi sami weliwadi<br />

hitleris da cxovrobda? magram ki ar<br />

`cxovrobda~, cixeSi ijda da am patimars<br />

erqva maria kopenSteineri. bavSvobaSi patara<br />

adolfi xSirad dadioda dedasTan er-<br />

Tad stumrad Tavis dasTan da erTad Tama-<br />

Sobdnen xolme. magram, roca hitleri gaizarda<br />

da didi, kaci gaxda, naTesavebi iSviaTad<br />

naxulobdnen erTmaneTs. hitlers sxva<br />

interesebi hqonda, mas surda samyaros<br />

mflobeli gamxdariyo. maria ki msxvili miwaTmflobeli<br />

gaxda. mas `exmareboda~ aTobiT<br />

samxedro tyve, maT Soris sabWoTa kav-<br />

Siridanac.<br />

samamulo omis damTavrebis Semdeg hitleris<br />

da daakaves da izolatorSi moaTavses.<br />

sasamarTlo saswrafod Catarda: qals,<br />

romelic yvela drois udidesi damnaSavis<br />

da iyo, 25 weliwadi miusajes mkacri reJimis<br />

pirobebSi. sasjelis oficialuri formulireba<br />

ase JRerda: `kacobriobis<br />

winaaRmdeg CadenilidanaSaulebisTvis~.<br />

hitleris da uralis<br />

cixeSi gaamweses.<br />

arsebobs le<strong>ge</strong>nda: sicocxlis<br />

bolos marias<br />

mxedveloba daaklda da<br />

saTvale moiTxova, am<br />

moTxovnaze cixis xelmZRvanelma aseTi ram<br />

daawera: `mieciT saTvale, mxolod RamiT<br />

gamoyenebisTvis~. mariam uralis cixeSi sami<br />

weliwadi gaatara. 1948 wels igi saku-<br />

Tar sakanSi gardaicvala avadmyofobis Semdeg.<br />

hitleris dis saflavi ucnobia.<br />

magram saintereso isaa, rom mxolod maria<br />

ar iyo am cixeSi erTaderTi cnobili<br />

patimari. aq ixdidnen sasjels Turme kame-<br />

nevi, zinovievi, radeki, `komsomolskaia<br />

pravdas~ pirveli redaqtori aleqsandr<br />

slepkovi, iq isxdnen cnobili rusi mecnierebi,<br />

oficrebi, msaxiobebi... erTi versiiT,<br />

aq daasrula sicocxle teroristma qalma<br />

fani kaplanma, romelmac lenins esrola.<br />

saintereso kidev is aris, rom hitleris<br />

das Seuswavlia rusuli<br />

ena da arcTu ise cudad laparakobda<br />

Turme. xolo uralis<br />

cixe absoluturad yvela<br />

istoriul wyaros mixedviT<br />

iyo iseTi dawesebuleba,<br />

saidanac arasdros ar gaqceula<br />

patimari, romelic cixis<br />

sardafSi mdebareobda<br />

Turme, am karcers hqonia usasrulo labirinTi,<br />

saidanac gasasvleli arsad ar iyo.<br />

patimrebi aq `cxovrobdnen~ sicocxlis bolomde,<br />

cixis TanamSromlebi iuwyebian, rom<br />

es iyo yvelaze saSineli cixe, rac ki odesme<br />

smeniaT. cixe a<strong>ge</strong>buli yofila vaWari<br />

safronovis mier. igi 1918 wels TeTrgvardielebTan<br />

TanamSromlobisa da mxardaWerisTvis<br />

daupatimrebiaT. masac sicocxles<br />

ukanaskneli wuTebi Tavisive a<strong>ge</strong>bul cixeSi<br />

dausrulebia.<br />

Txevadi sakvebi<br />

magaliTad, igive wvnianebi, koqteilebi,<br />

nayenebi. maTi xSiri moxmarebis<br />

SemTxvevaSi muceli zarmacdeba,<br />

rac, saboloo jamSi, iwvevs kuW-nawlavis<br />

traqtis moSlas. Txevadi sak-<br />

vebi Znelad gadasamuSavebeli saWmelis<br />

Semdeg unda miiRoT.<br />

yveli da Semwvari<br />

kartofili<br />

da<strong>ge</strong>TanxmebiT, aseTi saWmeli namdvilad<br />

<strong>ge</strong>mrielia, magram Semwvari<br />

kartofili mZime sakvebia, mas rom<br />

yvels daumatebT, kuWs didi datvir-<br />

Tva miecema. amave dros kartofilSi<br />

bevri naxSirwyalbadia, yvelSi _<br />

cximebi. maTi erTdroulad miReba<br />

did saSiSroebasTan aris dakavSirebuli.<br />

xorcis konservebi<br />

maT gansakuTrebiT imitom unda<br />

gavufrTxildeT, rom am sakvebSi<br />

mravlad Sedis aromatizatorebi da<br />

<strong>ge</strong>mos gamaZlierebeli fermentebi,<br />

zogjer xorcs cvlian <strong>ge</strong>nmodificirebuli<br />

soioTi. amitom am sakvebmac,<br />

SeiZleba, arasaxarbielo Sedegamde<br />

mogviyvanos.<br />

yvelaze didi mkerdi<br />

evropaSi 50 kg-s iwonis<br />

<strong>ge</strong>rmaneli pornovarskvlavi yvelaze didi mkerdis mqone<br />

qalbatonad iTvleba evropaSi. msaxiob biSains 32 XXX zoma<br />

mkerdi aqvs. aseTi zoma saerTod ar arsebobs.<br />

28 wlis msaxiobi siamovnebiT aCvenebs Tavis uzarmazar<br />

mkerds msurvelebs da ar malavs,<br />

rom misi `simdidre~ plastikuri<br />

qirurgiis damsaxurebaa.<br />

kariera biSainma 5 wlis win<br />

daiwyo, roca man Tavisi pirveli<br />

fotoebi ganaTavsa <strong>internetSi</strong>.<br />

igi aqtiurad zrunavs sakuTar<br />

janmrTelobaze. dadis sportdarbazSi,<br />

raTa SeinarCunos Zal-Rone<br />

ataros uzarmazari mkerdi.<br />

amasTanave sistematiurad itarebs<br />

samkurnalo masaJebs mkerdze da<br />

izels specialur saineqcio <strong>ge</strong>ls<br />

formis da simkvrivis SesanarCuneblad.<br />

mandarins unikaluri<br />

Tvisebebi aqvs<br />

mandarins ara mxolod <strong>ge</strong>mrieli nayofi aqvs, aramed is<br />

mkurnalobs gulis daavadebebsa da diabets.<br />

dasavleT ontarios universitetis kanadelma mecnierebma<br />

gamoikvlies, rom mandarinSi Sedis specialuri nivTiereba<br />

noiletini, romelic mandarinSi blomad Sedis da amcirebs<br />

adamianis organizmSi qolesterinis Semcvelobas da sisxl-<br />

Si insulinis Semad<strong>ge</strong>nlobas,<br />

igi exmareba<br />

gul-sisxlZarRvTa daavadebebis<br />

gankurnebaSi<br />

da ebrZvis diabets.<br />

amasTanave, mandarini<br />

kvebavs organizms<br />

vitaminebiT, aZlierebs<br />

madas da aCqarebs saWmlis<br />

monelebis process.

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#20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

1779 wlis Semodgomaze<br />

TeatrebSi molieris warmod<strong>ge</strong>nas<br />

uCvenebdnen, sadac gmirma<br />

wamoiZaxa: `30 wlis qali<br />

SeiZleba iyos Seyvarebuli,<br />

magram 50-is? es<br />

mouTmenelia!~ imperatrica<br />

ekaterine II amaze Cailaparaka:<br />

`sisulelea, ar<br />

aris kargi speqtakli,<br />

momwyinda~ da datova<br />

darbazi. imperatrica ma-<br />

Sin 60 wlis iyo da mis<br />

cxovrebaSi axalgazrda<br />

gvardiis oficeri platon<br />

buSovi mTavar rols asrulebda.<br />

imperatrica, cnobilia,<br />

rom mraval favorits<br />

icvlida. magram 21 wlis<br />

platon zubovs yvelaze metad<br />

`gaumarTla~.<br />

1789 wlis zafxulSi zubovi<br />

ukve iricxeboda samxedro<br />

armiaSi da is mxedruli<br />

zamTris bavSvebi<br />

maTi umravlesoba xSirad avadobs<br />

gul-sisxlZarRvTa daavadebiT. britaneTisa<br />

da edinburgis universitetis<br />

mkvlevarebis cnobiT, zamTris<br />

TveebSi dabadebul patarebSi gulsisxlZarRvTa<br />

daavadebis riski 24<br />

procentiT maRalia. qalbatonebi,<br />

romlebic zamTarSi daibadnen, xSirad<br />

uCivian sisxlSi qolesterinis<br />

maRal Semcvelobas, amitom mSoblebma<br />

pataraobidanve unda miaqcion yuradReba<br />

maT kvebas.<br />

siyvarulis istoria:<br />

imperatricas romani<br />

damsaxurebis gamo ki ara,<br />

Tavisi silamazis wyalobiT<br />

imperatricis karetis Tanmxlebadac<br />

ki mogvevlina.<br />

ekaterinas Tvals misi silamaze<br />

ar gamohparvia da<br />

igi sadilad miipatiJa. ramdenime<br />

dRis Semdeg sasaxlis<br />

kariskaci Tavis dRiurSi<br />

werda, rom rotmistrma<br />

platon zubovma moux-<br />

Sira `zeviT siaruls~. rac<br />

niSnavda, ekaterine II saZinebel<br />

oTaxSi xSir stumrobas.<br />

male sasaxlis leib-medikosi<br />

rojersoni werda, rom platon<br />

zubovi daajildoves 100<br />

000 maneTiT.<br />

amboben, rom platon zubovi<br />

mamakacuri Rirsebebis<br />

garda silamaziTac gamoirCeoda.<br />

misi portreti frangma<br />

Sarl fransua filiber masonma<br />

Seqmna: `imperatricas<br />

fsiqolo<strong>ge</strong>bis SexedulebiT, zam-<br />

Tari es aris SesaniSnavi dro warmatebuli<br />

adamianebis dabadebisTvis,<br />

mizanmimarTuli, Zlieri adamianebis<br />

dabadebis dro. es adamianebi Sromoben<br />

da Tavis moqmedebebSi darwmunebulni<br />

arian, zamTarSi dabadebuli<br />

adamianebi patara asakSi xSirad kama-<br />

Toben mSoblebTan ubralo da umniSvnelo<br />

Temebze. ar SeuZliaT aRiqvan<br />

sakuTari Secdomebi,<br />

gazafxulis bavSvebi<br />

gazafxulis bavSvebi sustebi<br />

arian, midrekilni gaciebisa da gripisken,<br />

isini alergiulebi arian da<br />

xSirad avadmyofoben.<br />

uamravi mTxovneli da maxvewari<br />

exveoda gars dilidanve,<br />

miRebasa da gastumrebas laqiebi<br />

ver audiodnen. iqve savarZelSi<br />

ijda ymawvili kaci,<br />

farTod gaxelili udardeli<br />

Tvalebi Werze hqonda miSterebuli.<br />

saxe civi da umetyvelo<br />

hqonda, maSinve ipyrobda<br />

momsvlelTa yuradRebas.<br />

igi erToboda Tavis maimuneb-<br />

Tan, romlebic xtunavdnen<br />

yvelgan, gahyvirodnen da fexebSi<br />

edebodnen momsvlelebs.<br />

dolgorukebi, golicinebi,<br />

saltikovebi da sxva didebulebi,<br />

zubovis garda,<br />

yvelani mdabioebad Candnen~.<br />

masoni maTematikas da<br />

fizikas aswavlida sasaxleSi.<br />

ekaterine II-is gardacvalebis<br />

Semdeg igi gaaZeves<br />

ruseTidan, magram<br />

ojaxi _ meuRle da gogona<br />

datoves peterburgSi.<br />

ulamazesi olga masoni<br />

aleqsandre puSkinis nacnobTa<br />

wreSi trialebda, magram<br />

TviT masonis gandevnis mizezi<br />

gaxda paskvili, romelic<br />

man zubovis Sesaxeb dawera.<br />

imdroindeli wyaroebi iuwyebian,<br />

rom arasdros enaxaT<br />

zubovisnairi angarebiani adamiani<br />

amqveynad.<br />

fsiqolo<strong>ge</strong>bi miiCneven, rom gazafxulze<br />

dabadebuli bavSvebi yoymanebi<br />

arian da uWirT gadawyvetilebebis<br />

miReba. maT SeuZliaT yuradRebiT<br />

usminon mosaubres. rogorc wesi,<br />

aqvT swori Sexeduleba da Sefaseba<br />

sakiTxebisa, magram ar uyvarT<br />

kamaTi da uars amboben lideris poziciebze.<br />

mSoblebma unda ecadon gaaRvivon<br />

gazafxulis bavSvebSi saku-<br />

Tar TavSi darwmunebuloba, rom<br />

ifiqron Tu rogor sWirdeba is gar-<br />

Semomyofebs da aris daculi axloblebis<br />

garemocvaSi.<br />

zafxulis bavSvebi<br />

zafxulobiT optimistebi da bednierebi<br />

ibadebian, _ amtkiceben hertofordSiris<br />

universitetis profe-<br />

sorebi. zafxulSi dabadebulebi TavianT<br />

Tavs gadaWarbebulad afaseben.<br />

optimistebi arian. pozitiurad uyureben<br />

cxovrebas, TavianTi Tavi iRblianad<br />

miaCniaT da kmayofili arian<br />

amiT. zafxulis bavSvebi emociurobiT<br />

gamoirCevian, keTili, STambeWda-<br />

saerTo gazeTi<br />

oTaxis Sxamiani mcenareebi,<br />

romlebsac unda veridoT<br />

zogierTi adamiani<br />

oTaxis mcenareebs<br />

irCevs garegnobis<br />

mixedviT, zomiT<br />

da silamaziT,<br />

magram cota Tu<br />

fiqrobs imas, ramdenad<br />

saSiSi SeiZleba<br />

iyos zogier-<br />

Ti maTgani.<br />

Tuki saxlSi gyavT patara bavSvebi da cxovelebi,<br />

gansakuTrebiT frTxilad unda iyoT, radgan Sxamiani<br />

wveni, romelic aqvs zogierT mcenares, Tuki moxvda organizmSi,<br />

SeiZleba seriozuli mowamvlis mizezi gaxdes.<br />

ai, es mcenareebi uqmnian Tqvens janmrTelobas seriozul<br />

safrTxes: kaladiumi, lilia, oleandra, meqsikuri wiwaka,<br />

alokazia, fildendroni da sxvebi..<br />

50 wlis mamakacebi 30 wlis<br />

qalbatonebs irCeven<br />

rogorc wesi, mamakacebi<br />

45-50 wlis<br />

asakSi gacilebiT mcirewlovan<br />

qalbatonebs<br />

irCeven sacoled. maT-<br />

Tvis yvelaze popularuli<br />

asaki qalisTvis<br />

30-34 weliwadia. britaneTis<br />

nacionaluri<br />

statistikis monacemebis<br />

mixedviT, 2011 wels aseT mamakacTa raodenoba 6<br />

procentiT gaizarda. maT Soris mamakacebis umravlesoba<br />

adre ukve iyo daqorwinebuli. gairkva, rom mamakacTa<br />

umetesobas 50 wlis Semdeg kvlav surs hqondes axalgazrda<br />

qalbatonTan kanonieri kavSiri.<br />

bavSvis bedniereba misi dabadebis Tvezea damokidebuli<br />

specialistebi irwmunebian, rom adamianis bedi misi dabadebis Tveze mniSvnelovanwilad<br />

aris damokidebuli. didi xani ar aris, rac mecnierebma daamtkices,<br />

rom adamianis bedze did rols misi dabadebis Tve asrulebs da<br />

amave dros pasuxism<strong>ge</strong>belia misi sxeulis wonazec, imazec, optimisti iqneba<br />

adamiani Tu pesimisti, ramdeni Svili eyoleba da a.S. magaliTad, gazafxulze<br />

dabadebuli bavSvebi avadmyofobisken arian midrekilni, magram<br />

`zafxulis bavSvebi~ _ yvelaze bednierebi arian.<br />

mokled, Tve gansazRvravs bavSvi mamaci iqneba Tu mSiSara, gamxdari Tu<br />

msuqani, maRali Tu dabali. ra Tqma unda, dabadebisTvis optimaluri Tve<br />

ar arsebobs, yvela periods aqvs plusebi da minusebi, magram arsebobs Tveebi,<br />

romlebsac naklebi riskebi axasiaTebs.<br />

vi, impulsuri natura aqvT. aravis<br />

arafers SearCenen, magram gulRrZo<br />

ar arian. midrekilni arian karierisken,<br />

maT ar eSiniaT riskebis da<br />

msxverplSewirvac SeuZliaT. mSoblebi<br />

unda Seeguon imas, rom maTi<br />

Svili gansakuTrebul mzrunvelobas<br />

gamoiCens usaxlkaro cxovelebisadmi,<br />

iqneba sustebis damcveli da da-<br />

Cagrul Tanaklasels yovelTvis gamoesarCleba.<br />

Semodgomis bavSvebi<br />

Tu gindaT Tqveni Svili dRegrZeli<br />

iyos, unda ecadoT, is Semodgomaze<br />

daibados. amaSi mas exmareba optimisturi<br />

xasiaTi. Semodgomis bavS-<br />

vebi swavlisa da codnis mopovebisken<br />

arian midrekilni, iSviaTad aqvT<br />

konfliqti megobrebTan da mSobleb-<br />

Tan, adrianad i<strong>ge</strong>ben fulis fass,<br />

gamgone, mixvedrili, diplomatiurebi<br />

arian. Tuki mSoblebi cxovrebaSi<br />

swor mimarTulebas aarCevineben da<br />

daexmarebian, isini warmatebulebi<br />

iqnebian saqmianobaSi da pirad cxovrebaSi.<br />

moamzada ana vadaWkoriam<br />

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28 saerTo gazeTi #20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

mogzauroba<br />

samSobloSi<br />

yinwvisuri kvali<br />

Zamis xeoba<br />

mas Semdeg, rac samwevrisis<br />

kompleqsi vnaxeT da ciciSvilebic<br />

vaxseneT, Zamis xeobis siRrmisken<br />

unda daviZraT. mdinaris marjvena<br />

napirze gadasasvlelad umjobesia<br />

foni sofel saneblidan veZioT,<br />

rac damatebiT ori saintereso Zeglis<br />

naxvis saSualebas mogvcems.<br />

sanebeli patara sofelia. misgan<br />

Crd-aRmosavleTiT, samasiod<br />

metrSi, nasoflaris teritoriaze<br />

Semonaxulia mcire jvargumbaTovani<br />

taZris (12,7X7,8 m) naSTebi: sakurTxevlis<br />

afsidi, koxtad gaTlili<br />

muqi ruxi qvis martivi ze-<br />

Zirkveli, 1-3 metri simaRlis kedlebi,<br />

romlebic riyis qviTa da<br />

qviSaqvis uxeSad gaTlili lodebi-<br />

Taa amoyvanili. taZarSi gamoyenebulia<br />

aguric, romliTac samxreTisa<br />

da dasavleTis karis Riobebi yofila<br />

gadaxuruli. saydari, romelic<br />

wm. giorgis saxelobisaa, XVII saukunis<br />

Semdegaa a<strong>ge</strong>buli.<br />

kargi iqneba Tu mdinareze gadasvlas<br />

ar viCqarebT da mas napirnapir<br />

avuyvebiT. or kilometrSi<br />

kidev erT patara sofelSi _ vedrebaSi<br />

SevalT, romelic 50 metriT<br />

maRlaa. saxelwodebidan gamomdinare,<br />

vedreba, TiTqos Zveli so-<br />

saneblis naeklesiari<br />

feli unda iyos, magram vaxuSti batoniSvili,<br />

romelic icnobs sanebels,<br />

vedrebas ar asaxelebs. arada,<br />

vedrebaSi sanebelze gacilebiT<br />

Zveli naeklesiaria. igi soflis<br />

sasaflaoze dgas da RvTismSoblis<br />

saxelobisaa. saydari Zalianaa dangreuli,<br />

Tumca Tavis droze _ IX-<br />

X saukuneebSi _ mSvenieri Sesaxedavi<br />

iqneboda Tlili qviSaqvis perangis<br />

gamo. yuradRebas iqcevs<br />

isic, rom adre taZars sakurTxevlis<br />

kedelSi, sarkmlidan aqeTiqiT,<br />

iatakidan 1,6 metris doneze,<br />

maRali niSnebi hqonia, romlebic<br />

gvian xanebSi amouqolavT. amave kedelSi<br />

zed iatakis doneze kidev<br />

ori dabali niSia, romlebic, al-<br />

baT, saeklesio inventaris<br />

samalavi<br />

iyo.<br />

axla ukve droa<br />

ukan, saneblisken<br />

gavbrundeT da Zamis<br />

marjvena sanapiroze<br />

gadavideT, sadac<br />

yinwvisi gvelodeba.<br />

vaxuSti batoniSvili<br />

yinwvisis<br />

nacvlad yincviss<br />

wers da garda imisa,<br />

rom Zamis xeoba-<br />

Si arsebul mSvenier<br />

taZars axsenebs,<br />

Tavis rukaze amave<br />

saxelwodebis sofels<br />

awyurTan axlos,<br />

Tiselis xeobaSic<br />

aTavsebs. amitom,<br />

sanam eklesias<br />

movinaxulebdeT,<br />

albaT, toponimis<br />

warmomavlobiTac<br />

unda davinteresdeT.<br />

sulxan-saba orbeliani gvTavazobs<br />

erT sityvas, romelic Sinaarsobrivad<br />

da fonetikurad Zalian<br />

sainteresoa yinwvisTan mimarTebaSi:<br />

es aris fuZe `xinc~ da aqedan<br />

nawarmoebi `Camoxincva~. ai, ras<br />

wers igi: `Camoxincva _ Camosvla<br />

mTidgan barSi, mTiskacni xmaroben<br />

_ `axla CamovixinceniTo~. sainteresoa<br />

fuZe `xinZT~, aqedan nawarmoebi<br />

`xinZvac~ (tomris piris wakvra)<br />

da `saxinZavic~ (samalavi adgili).<br />

albaT, arc `yinCi~, da `yinwi~<br />

unda daviviwyoT, magram upiratesoba<br />

mainc mTidan barad Camosaxlebas<br />

da samalav adgils unda mivaniWoT.<br />

me saswors am orSic pirvelis<br />

sasar<strong>ge</strong>blod gadavxri, radgan<br />

samalavi adgilis Sinaarsis matarebeli<br />

toponimi yinwvisis msgavsi<br />

mdebareobis soflisaTvis<br />

mTlad misaRebi ar aris.<br />

am sja-baasSi yinwvissac mivadeqiT.<br />

`... ars monasteri yincviss<br />

wmidis nikolaozisa, gunbaTiani,<br />

didSvenierad naSeni maRals adgilsa<br />

zeda. zis winamZRvari~ _ wers<br />

vaxuSti. maRali adgilisa ra mogaxsenoT,<br />

magram yiwvisi rom didebulia,<br />

amas damtkiceba ar Wirdeba.<br />

aguriT aSenebul taZrebSi mas mxolod<br />

erTi uwevs konkurencias da<br />

imasac `yinwvisis Zmas~ uwodeben<br />

moferebiT (saubaria gujareTis xeobaSi<br />

mdebare timoTesubnis taZarze).<br />

Soridan saubars, albaT, monastris<br />

teritoriaze Sesvla<br />

sjobs.<br />

sataZro kompleqsi Sed<strong>ge</strong>ba wm.<br />

nikolozis, RvTismSoblisa da wm.<br />

giorgis eklesiebisgan da galavan-<br />

Si Cadgmuli koSkura samreklosgan.<br />

yvelaze gviandelia yvelaze<br />

mcire (5,1X4,5 m) wm. giorgis saydari,<br />

romelic Tlili qviTaa na<strong>ge</strong>bi.<br />

mZime mdgomareobaSia aseve Tlili<br />

qviT na<strong>ge</strong>bi `RvTismSobeli~,<br />

romelic, SesaZloa, `wm. nikolozze~<br />

adrea a<strong>ge</strong>buli. am eklesiidan<br />

mxolod aRmosavleTis kedelia gadarCenili<br />

Tavisi moxatuli konqiT.<br />

`RvTismSoblis~ mxatvroba<br />

did saerTos poulobs mTavari<br />

taZris _`wm.nikolozis~ freskeb-<br />

Tan da albaT, erTi da imave drois<br />

_ XII-XIII saukuneebis Semoqmedebaa.<br />

yinwvisis `wminda nikolozi~,<br />

`RvTismSobeli~ da<br />

an<strong>ge</strong>lozis freska.<br />

rogorc vTqviT, `wminda nikolozi~,<br />

konstruqciul mzid nawilebs<br />

Tu ar miviRebT mxedveloba-<br />

Si, mTlianad aguris Senobaa, magram<br />

Zalian mkvidradaa na<strong>ge</strong>bi. erTgvar<br />

moulodnelobad unda miviCnioT<br />

odnav Seisruli kamarebisa da<br />

TaRebis gamoCena, rac XI-XII saukuneTa<br />

gardamaval xanebs ufro<br />

axasiaTebda. <strong>ge</strong>gmarebaSi raime axali<br />

sityva aq ar igrZnoba, magram<br />

rac aris, yvelaferi umaRles donezea.<br />

`wminda nikolozi~ centraluri<br />

jvargumbaTovani taZaria. misi<br />

ZiriTadi sxeuli, dasavleTis,<br />

samxreTisa da CrdiloeTis karib-<br />

Weebis da ekvderis gareSe, sigrZe-<br />

Si 19,7, xolo siganeSi 14 metria.<br />

simaRle gumbaTis qveS 24,3 metria.<br />

`wm. nikolozis~ mTavari Rirseba<br />

misi mxatvrobaa, romelic Tamar<br />

mefis pirveli vaziris anton Wyondidelis<br />

(glonisTavisZis) dakveTiT<br />

aris Sesrulebuli. igi moxseniebulia<br />

samxreT mklavis samxreT kedlis<br />

dazianebul freskul warwera-<br />

Si. yinwvisis mxatvrobaze imdeni ram<br />

aris naTqvami, rom Cvengan raimes damateba<br />

uxerxulic kia. veranairad<br />

gavixsene vin Tqva: erTi naxatiT rom<br />

SeiZlebodes msjeloba, renesansis<br />

aTvlis wertilad SeiZleboda yinwvisis<br />

an<strong>ge</strong>lozi migveCnia.<br />

aRsaniSnavia kidev erTi garemoeba:<br />

XII-XIII saukuneTa mijnis <strong>ge</strong>nialur<br />

mxatvrobas mxars ubams dasavleT<br />

narTeqsis gviandeli mxatvrobac.<br />

misi damkveTi yofila zaza cicis<br />

Ze fanaskerteli (samkurnalo<br />

wign `karabadinis~ avtori da cnobili<br />

politikuri moRvawe), romelmac<br />

samudamod daasaxla fanaskertelebi<br />

Sida qarTlSi da saTave daudo<br />

ciciSvilTa sagvareulos. misi<br />

da misi gvaris Sesaxeb wina weril-<br />

Sic visaubreT da Zamis xeobaSi momdevno<br />

mogzaurobis drosac SevivsebT<br />

codnas, axla ki umjobesia,<br />

yinwvisis gviandel mxatvrobas mivubrundeT.<br />

igi sxvadasxva period-<br />

Sia Sesrulebuli. misi erTi nawili<br />

XV saukunis SemorCenili freskebia.<br />

es metadre narTeqsis Sua sa-<br />

Tavsze iTqmis, sadac zaza faenaskertelis<br />

qtitoruli freskaa<br />

(Crd.kedeli). aris mosazreba da<br />

xalxSic le<strong>ge</strong>ndasaviT dadis is ambavi,<br />

rom XV saukunis freskebis<br />

avtori zaza fanaskertelis 5 Svilidan<br />

erT-erTi _ is siauS fanaskertelia,<br />

romelic Sah-Tamazis<br />

karze dawinaurebuli da aRiarebuli<br />

mxatvari iyo. es sakiTxi bolomde<br />

gamorkveuli ar aris da siauSis<br />

fanaskertelobaze dabejiTebiT saubari<br />

sariskoa. (ist. cnobili siau-<br />

Sis naxatebidan dRes cnobilia `Sevardeni~).<br />

sanacvlod erTi ramis<br />

Tqma SeiZleba dabejiTebiT: XII-XV<br />

saukunis yinwvisis <strong>ge</strong>nialuri mxatvrebis<br />

vinaoba rom ucnobia, es Cveni<br />

tradiciuli codvaa: sicocxle-<br />

Si saTanado pativs ar miva<strong>ge</strong>bT <strong>ge</strong>niosebs,<br />

gardacvalebis Semdeg ki<br />

xelis cecebiT, varaudebiT daveZebT<br />

maT saxelebsa da saflavebs.<br />

... yinwvisidan zRuderSi mivideT.<br />

am patara sofelSi, romelsac<br />

iranelTa da osmalo dampyrobTa<br />

winaaRmdeg brZolaSi didi Wiri<br />

daadga da dacarielda, XIX saukuneSi<br />

raWidan Camosuli joxTaberi-<br />

Zeebi dasaxlebulan. ase gagrZelda<br />

aq aTaswleulTa cxovreba, romlis<br />

kvali goCaanTkarSi warmoebulma<br />

arqeologiurma gaTxrebma gamoavlina.<br />

aqtiuri antikuri cxovrebis<br />

dasturi imas gveubneba, rom Zamis<br />

xeobaze qvemo qarTlisken da samxreT<br />

saqarTvelosken mimavali sakvanZo<br />

gza gadioda. soflis saxelwodeba<br />

zRuderic raRac uZveles<br />

da uZlieres zRudeze migvaniSnebs.<br />

rogorc Cans, swored aseTma aqtiurma<br />

cxovrebam mouRo bolo sofels<br />

da VI-VII saukuneebis samnavian<br />

bazilikas, romelic araer-<br />

Txel (X, XII, XV, XVII ss) gadaukeTebiaT<br />

da aRud<strong>ge</strong>niaT, magram<br />

bolos ise daqceula, rom mxolod<br />

calkeuli fragmentebi gadarCenila.<br />

aq sanaxavi bevri araferia.<br />

zRuderi Zamisa da misi marjvena<br />

Senakadis _ imerxevis SesarTav-<br />

Sia da sanam ZiriTad xeobas avuyvebodeT,<br />

imerxevSi Sesvla da iqidan<br />

ZaZvis monasterSi gadasvlac<br />

ar iqneba urigo. savaraudoa, rom<br />

mSvidobianobis Jams erT-erTi mTis<br />

dasaxleba ZaZvic iqneboda, saidanac<br />

gadarCenili qarTveloba Camoixinca<br />

barSi... xom gvaxsovs, rom yinwvisi<br />

yvelaze ufro, albaT, am Sinaarsis<br />

toponimia.<br />

<strong>ge</strong>la qoqiaSvili<br />

avtoris fotoebi<br />

yinwvisis `wminda nikolozi~: Tamaris freska _ XII-XIII s. da zaza fansakertelis freska XV s.

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prezidenti. miSa, Sen<br />

<strong>ge</strong>kiTxebi, opoziciidan vinc gamovida,<br />

tyuili romelma giTxra?<br />

gamovardi sxdomidan, civi<br />

wyali dagalevines, dagamSvides.<br />

mTelma qveyanam dainaxa Seni<br />

utifari saqcieli. avRaneTSi<br />

Caxvedi da Senma mariaJobam 3<br />

axalgazrda jariskaci Seiwira,<br />

nuTu sindisi aRar gawuxebs, ratom<br />

Cagrav da spob qarTvel<br />

xalxs? amerikas erovneba ar gaaCnia,<br />

Senc iqiT migyavs saqarTvelo.<br />

miSa!.. Seni diplomatia<br />

nulia. parlamentSi amdeni padxalimebi<br />

rom gyavs da yvelaferze<br />

taSs gikraven, gsiamovnebs patara<br />

bavSviviT, breJnevis dro<br />

gamaxsenda, yovel sityvaze taSs<br />

rom ukravdnen. padxalimi kaci<br />

sando ar aris. gurul kacs guruloba<br />

SemazizRes, amden padxalimebs<br />

xeli hqondaT gamoSverili,<br />

rom miSas xeli CamoerTva<br />

da gahkiodnen _ miSa, miSa. ar<br />

da<strong>ge</strong>kargoT, Tqven Tvalebi ver<br />

gagixeliaT, sxvas ras dainaxavT.<br />

amerika rom kargis mosurne<br />

iyos, Sen oms ar dagawyebinebda,<br />

Tumca ratom ara, miliardebs<br />

gigzavnian da fexebze ar gkidia<br />

xalxi?<br />

axla gadavideT mtkivneul<br />

Temaze, Sen rom gawuxebs. gamoCnda<br />

ivaniSvili, atexe xalxis<br />

daWerebi, me did pativs vcem<br />

patriot xalxs _ baton laSa<br />

darbaiZes, romelmac qarTvel<br />

xalxs amerikaSi patara saqarTvelo<br />

Seuqmna, monasteri aaSena<br />

da xalxi, romelic amerikaSi<br />

cxovrobs, dadioda am monaster-<br />

Si. loculobdnen imis gulisTvis,<br />

rom laSam batoni biZinas<br />

suraTebi gamofina, wina dRiT<br />

gauformes brZaneba _ gaaTavisufleT<br />

da sapatio statusi CamoarTviT<br />

da CamoaSoreT saqar-<br />

Tvelos sazogadoebriv cxovrebas.<br />

Turqebs langriT miarTvi<br />

aWara. CadiT, erTi, aWaraSi rogor<br />

gulaoben Cveni istoriuli<br />

mtrebi. stalins ar dascalda,<br />

mas <strong>ge</strong>gmaSi hqonda, miTvisebuli<br />

miwebi daebrunebina, Sen aiRe da<br />

stalinis Zegli Cumad, qurdulad<br />

gadaagde. Seni diplomatia<br />

nulia. Sen yvelafers Tavdayira<br />

akeTeb, mospe da gaanadgure saqarTvelo,<br />

Se arakaco. icode,<br />

didi risxva <strong>ge</strong>lodeba. rac Sen<br />

26 maiss Caidine, imis mere Sen<br />

kaci aRar gqvia, esec ar ikmare<br />

da 9 aprils zonderbrigadebi<br />

daaxvedre, moxuci qali manqana-<br />

Si Seagdebine, xalxs daemuqrnen,<br />

panaSvidze mosulebs, `saxalxo<br />

krebas~ da demokratiuli moZraobis<br />

wevrebs gza dauketes. _ 26<br />

maiss rac mogividaT, imas gagimeorebTo.<br />

amaze ras ityvian es<br />

monebi _ darCiaSvili, minaSvili,<br />

rupori kublaSvili, mefutkre<br />

xabazi, wiklauri, ciskariSvili<br />

da politologi ki ara<br />

proWitologi miSa TavxeliZe.<br />

me iq viyavi, davinaxe qalbatoni<br />

nino rogor aRelda, rom dawy-<br />

saerTo gazeTi<br />

mkiTxvelis werilebi<br />

miSa, Sena xar<br />

xalxis mteri!<br />

ra fasi aqvs adamians,<br />

romelic mters ara sZuls.<br />

kovalevski<br />

svani kaci<br />

svani kaci uTqmelia bunebiT,<br />

svani kaci sxva sawyaviT aiwyos,<br />

svani kaci uTqmelia bunebiT,<br />

magram ityvis, cam quxili daiwyos.<br />

gierTgulebs, migindobs da <strong>ge</strong>ndoba,<br />

svani kacis siyvaruli mwvelia,<br />

svans ar uyvars gandgoma da kentoba,<br />

saqarTvelos Zveli droSis mcvelia.<br />

Zmobas <strong>ge</strong>tyvis da ZmasaviT indoba,<br />

gasaWirSi xelsac gamogiwodebs,<br />

magram erTxel Tu Segatyo flidoba<br />

iquxebs da ar dagindobs, icode.<br />

diax, ver davindob Cemi Zmis, mwerlis, poetisa<br />

da sazogado moRvawis, erisTvis Tavdadebulisa<br />

da gansakuTrebiT svanisTvis namoRvawari<br />

patriotis ase sajarod, saqveynod gamqurdavs.<br />

TqvenTan motanili werilis SinaarsisTvis<br />

madlobeli var rom dabeWdeT, magram amdeni<br />

ramis Semqnel adamians, romelic iyo RvTisagan<br />

momadlebuli moSurneebiT savse. amdens<br />

rogor werso, ukvirdaT, radgan wignebiT maRaziebSi<br />

Taroebi iyo Cazneqili da ar iyideboda,<br />

xolo akakis wignebi (70-ze meti), rac ar unda<br />

didi tiraJi yofiliyo, kviraze mets ver<br />

Cerdeboda Taroze, maSinac Wamdnen da exlac<br />

leqsi mopares. saqarTveloa brolis sasaxle,<br />

xolo svaneTi misi zeda sarTulia _ am leqsis<br />

avtors nuTu es unda gaukeToT?<br />

narebuliyo, fexiT wavida rus-<br />

Tavelisken Tavisi 2-kaciani dacviT,<br />

miSasaviT 200-kaciani dacva<br />

rom hyavs. kargad icodeT minaSvilebo,<br />

kublaSvilebo, darCiaSvilebo,<br />

ciskariSvilebo, wiklaurebo,<br />

Tqven rom tvini gaqvT,<br />

is ninos neka TiTSi aqvs, Tqve<br />

monebo, daaqcieT qveyana, gamodixarT<br />

parlamentSi da aRar iciT,<br />

miSas rogor epadxalimoT, Tqve<br />

arakacebo. nino uSiSari qalbatonia,<br />

mas Tavisi xalxi uyvars,<br />

guli Sestkiva, erudirebuli da<br />

Camoyalibebuli qalbatonia, iq<br />

myofma xalxma namdvilad didi<br />

siyvaruli gamoxata ninos mimarT.<br />

is namdvili lideriao. iq<br />

iyo batoni rezo esaZe, romelmac<br />

miTxra: vnanob, rom cocxali<br />

varo. iyo batoni elizbar<br />

javeliZec, me movuwodeb yvela<br />

opoziciur partias: miSas wisqvilze<br />

nu asxamT wyals, SeikariT<br />

erT muStad, mere Tugind<br />

noe airCieT, Tu gindaT <strong>ge</strong>rasime,<br />

nu iqceviT mtris gasaxarad.<br />

saakaSvils minda vuTxra: mi-<br />

Sa, icode, arCevnebs ver moi<strong>ge</strong>b<br />

da xalxis risxva win dagxvdeba.<br />

xalxi mSieri kvdeba, Sen ki<br />

taSfandurebi gaqvs gamarTuli<br />

nato mekokiSvili, romelsac<br />

SimSiliT ukvdeba qmar-Svili<br />

daxmarebas, Svelas iTxovs, madlobas<br />

vuxdiT daxmarebisaTvis<br />

qalbaton nunu miqaZe-qajaias,<br />

Tamar mumlaZes da baton murman<br />

lomiZes nato mekokiSvilis daxmarebisTvis.<br />

angariSis nomeria<br />

111186637047000.<br />

irakli (ibo) doliZe<br />

plagiatoba<br />

1963 wels gamovida akaki <strong>ge</strong>lovanis wigni:<br />

`svanuri baladebi~, sadacaa es leqsi. Semdeg<br />

ibeWdeboda dro da dro gazeTebSi, xolo<br />

misi gardacvalebis mere _ radgan didi<br />

moTxovna iyo, mec davabeWdine gazeT `lileo-<br />

Si~ ramodenimejer. yvela es masalebi mivitane<br />

viTom erovnul da `samrTlianobisTvis mebr-<br />

Zol~ aqubardiasTan, yvelaferi gadaRebuli.<br />

imave RamiT unda gaeSvaT, gaugiaT margiansa da<br />

mis sponsor Cegians _ mividnen da Cafarcxes Zalian<br />

saeWvod _ riTi? yvela mixvdeba... wigni,<br />

romelic gamosces, mcxeTaSi restoranSi iqeifes<br />

da 300 adamians dauriga saCuqrad gayalbebuli<br />

am leqsis avtorad margiani da sxva SecdomebiT<br />

savsea _ maRaziebSi, Cemi protestis<br />

mere _ gadausves xazi da miaweres <strong>ge</strong>lovani,<br />

imis magier, rom mTlianad waeSalaT, xolo im<br />

300-dan vin waSlida? Seqspirs amdeni wlebis<br />

mere ecilebian _ avtori tra<strong>ge</strong>diebisa ara xar-<br />

To da fsalmunebSi, romelsac saTaurad davi-<br />

Tisa ar weria, misi araao da me ra vici, odesme<br />

vin ris gamoCxreks ase farSivad mifuCeCebulze?<br />

Tu Tqven erovnuli da samarTliani<br />

xarT, es werili dabeWdeT, rom xalxma gaigos<br />

es cekas namdivnari ra qurdicaa da misi saredaqcia<br />

kolegia da recenzentebi istoriaSi<br />

darCebian, rogorc siyalbeze xelis momwerni.<br />

svanebis mikvirs da r.TofCiSvilis, romelic<br />

megobrobda akakisTan. xolo svanebo, is mainc<br />

ver SeamCineT, rom meore kupletis mesame<br />

strofis bolos `kentoba~-s magier `kentorba~<br />

rom uweria da viRacas svanuri egoneba? es mainc<br />

ga<strong>ge</strong>sworebinaT. me vwer wigns Cems Zmaze,<br />

sadac yvela miiRebs Tavisas _ es icodes yvelam.<br />

akaki <strong>ge</strong>lovanis gamwarebuli<br />

da eliso <strong>ge</strong>lovani<br />

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C M Y K<br />

32 saerTo gazeTi #20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w.<br />

depresiisgan Tavis<br />

daRwevaSi yava da<strong>ge</strong>xmarebaT<br />

mecnierebi amtkiceben,<br />

rom qalbatonebi,<br />

romlebic 1 finjan yavasac<br />

ar miirTmeven,<br />

metad arian midrekilni<br />

depresiisken. Tu<br />

ratom, jer dad<strong>ge</strong>nili<br />

ar aris, Tumca amas<br />

qimiur procesebs ukavSireben,<br />

romelic<br />

tvinSi mimdinareobs.<br />

amasTanave amtkiceben,<br />

rom im adamianebs<br />

Soris, romlebic xSirad svamen yavas, iSviaTia TviTmkvlelobis<br />

SemTxvevebi. amas kofeins miaweren, romelic adamianebSi<br />

cxovrebiT kmayofilebis grZnobas iwvevs.<br />

depresiis mizezad arasasiamovno sizmrebsac miiCneven, rasac<br />

kofeini swrafad aneitralebs.<br />

mecnierTa nawili yavis mavneobaze laparakobs, nawili piriqiT,<br />

amtkicebs, rom yavis nayeni janmrTelobis eleqsiria. magram<br />

mTavari mainc isaa, vis rogor uxdeba yava, zogjer wamalic<br />

erTisTvis rom mavnea, meores malamosaviT edeba.<br />

bananis araCveulebrivi Tvisebebi<br />

banani TiTqmis yvelaze gavrcelebuli<br />

xilia msoflioSi. is<br />

<strong>ge</strong>mrielia da iafi. bevri fiqrobs,<br />

rom is janmrTelobisTvis<br />

sasar<strong>ge</strong>blo<br />

produqtia, magram ramdenad<br />

aris sasar<strong>ge</strong>blo<br />

masSi Semavali kaliumi?<br />

mecnierebi amtkiceben,<br />

rom bananSi mravladaa<br />

serotoninisa da norepinefrinis<br />

hormonebi, romlebic<br />

depresias ebrZvis, magram amoxsnes<br />

kidev erTi saidumloc _ banani mkurnalobs<br />

kuWis wyluls, anadgurebs mavne baqteriebs, xels<br />

uwyobs sisxlis normalur mimoqcevas da aregulirebs wnevas.<br />

114 wlis amerikis yvelaze uxucesi<br />

macxovrebeli gardaicvala<br />

montanaSi amerikis<br />

yvelaze uxecesi macxovrebeli<br />

uolmer<br />

briuningi eqimebis meTvalyureobis<br />

qveS ramdenimeTvianiavadmyofobis<br />

Semdeg gardaicvala.<br />

sicocxleSi igi<br />

acxadebda, rom misi<br />

xandazmulobis mizezi<br />

swori kveba da Sromismoyvareoba<br />

iyo. igi<br />

ambobda: sicocxlis ganmavlobaSi uSromelad 1 dRec ar gamitarebia<br />

da dReSi orjer vikvebebio.<br />

`roca iqneba, yvela movkvdebiT. zogierT adamians amis sastikad<br />

eSinia. ar Rirs amaze fiqri da laparaki, isedac xom<br />

yvela wavalT am qveynidan~. _ ambobda briuningi.<br />

mfrinavi gogona<br />

saocaria, magram ruseTis tyeSi videomoyvarulma mfrinavi<br />

gogona daafiqsira.<br />

`ZaRls vaseirneobdi,<br />

rodesac caSi aseTi ram<br />

SevniSne, dabla qali idga,<br />

rogorc Cans, deda<br />

iyo. ZaRlmac SeamCnia,<br />

dauyefa da roca maT Cemi<br />

kamera dainaxes, gogona<br />

maSinve daeSva miwaze,<br />

dedam xeli Cahkida da<br />

gauCinardnen~. _ hyveba<br />

ev<strong>ge</strong>ni, romelmac mfrinav<br />

gogonas foto gadauRo.<br />

budasa da daos skolebSi mfrinavi adamianebi TiTqos Cveulebrivi<br />

movlenaa, magram patara bavSvs am codnis miRweva ar<br />

SeuZlia. zogierTi ambobs, rom aseTi SesaZlobebi SeiZleba<br />

iyos wina cxovrebis gadmonaSTi.<br />

boilis winaswarmetyveleba<br />

350 wlis Semdeg axda<br />

ingliselma mecnierma,<br />

fizikosma, qimikosma,<br />

filosofosma da biologma<br />

boil-mariotis<br />

kanonis avtorma robert<br />

boilma bevri Tanamedrove<br />

teqnikuri<br />

miRweva 350 wlis winaT<br />

iwinaswarmetyvela.<br />

boili erT-erTi yvelaze<br />

cnobili mecnieria,<br />

romelmac me-17-e<br />

saukunis iSviaTi aRmo-<br />

Cena gaakeTa, Tumca amiT<br />

ar amowurula robert<br />

boilis aRmoCenebi. boilis<br />

arqivSi aRmoCenilia<br />

24 siaxle, romelic<br />

Cveni drois teqnikuri<br />

progresiTvis jer ucnobia.<br />

boili Tavis saidumlo arqivSi acxadebs, rom adamianebi gamoigoneben<br />

mfrinav aparatebs da wyalqveSa <strong>ge</strong>mebs. manve iwinaswarmetyvela<br />

<strong>ge</strong>nmodificirebuli produqtebis Sesaxeb, saZile<br />

da tkivildamayuCebeli preparatebis gamogonebis Taobaze. boilis<br />

saidumlo arqivSi inaxeba didi mecnieris winaswarmetyveluri<br />

aRmoCena imaze, rom adamianebi SeZleben avadmyofebs organoebi<br />

gadaunergon, iqvea moxseniebuli sanavigacio saSualebebi<br />

da aqvalan<strong>ge</strong>bic.<br />

robert boilis arqivi mowmobs imas, rom mecnieri, romelic<br />

1691 wels gardaicvala, gacilebiT masStaburad azrovnebda,<br />

vidre misi Tanamedroveni.<br />

moamzada ana vadaWkoriam<br />

eris naTeli momavali eklesia-monastrebis mSeneblobaSia,<br />

miiReT monawileoba wmida andria pirvelwodebulis<br />

monastris mSeneblobaSi. ufali Se<strong>ge</strong>wevaT.<br />

bednieri adamiani - morwmune adamiania.<br />

rom gwamdes - unda daijero, rom gjerodes - unda<br />

gindodes, madli rom moipovo - unda gsurdes. qarTvelno,<br />

erTad RvTisaken!<br />

RmerTma daglocoT da gagaZlieroT!<br />

astrologiuri<br />

prognozi<br />

verZi _ da<strong>ge</strong>uflebaT<br />

survili, daexmaroT imaT,<br />

visac Tqveni daxmareba<br />

sWirdeba da gulwrfeli grZnoba<br />

gamoucxadoT garSemo myofebs.<br />

kuro _ Tamamad Segi-<br />

ZliaT Seud<strong>ge</strong>T Tqveni <strong>ge</strong>gmebis<br />

ganxorcielebas. nayofieri<br />

gamod<strong>ge</strong>ba Tqveni stumroba<br />

saxelmwifo moxeleebTan<br />

da socialur dawesebulebebSi.<br />

tyupebi _ mo<strong>ge</strong>ZalebaT<br />

swrafva fufunebisa da<br />

gancxromisken. Tumca varskvlavebi<br />

mogiwodeben ojaxuri<br />

saqmeebiT dakavdeT.<br />

kirCxibi _ Tqveni daufiqrebeli<br />

qmedebebi axloblebssasowarkveTilebaSi<br />

Caagdebs. kargia, bunebaSi<br />

Tu daisvenebT.<br />

lomi _ sasurvelia<br />

uari TqvaT xmaurian wveulebebze<br />

megobrebis wre-<br />

Si. bevri sazrunavi gagiCndebaT.<br />

qalwuli _ am kviraSi<br />

SeiZleba, gamoaSkaravdes<br />

Tqveni partniorebis finansuri<br />

maqinaciebi, Tumca es<br />

Tqven ar dagazaralebT.<br />

saswori _ Tqveni saqmianoba<br />

warmatebuli iqneba.<br />

gaizrdeba Tqveni avtoriteti.<br />

kargi droa SemoqmedebiTi<br />

wamowyebisaTvis.<br />

morieli _ Tqven dafiqrdebiT<br />

Tqvens cxovrebiseul<br />

daniSnulebaze. sakuTar<br />

Tavs SeekiTxebiT, Tu rogori<br />

meuRle an megobari xarT.<br />

mSvildosani _ es<br />

kvira sasurvelia erTobliv<br />

SemoqmedebiT saqmianobas<br />

dauTmoT. kole<strong>ge</strong>bi da<strong>ge</strong>xmarebian<br />

miznis miRwevaSi.<br />

Txis rqa _ siyvaruliT<br />

da kmayofilebiT savse<br />

iqnebiT. am kviraSi Zalian<br />

gulkeTili da xelga-<br />

Slili gaxdebiT garSemo myofebis<br />

mimarT.<br />

merwyuli _ sakuTar<br />

mosazrebebs sxvebs moaxvevT<br />

Tavs. Tavi SeikaveT<br />

iseTi dapirebebisgan, romlebsac<br />

ver aasrulebT.<br />

Tevzebi _ erTi mcdari<br />

nabijis gamo Tqven SeiZleba<br />

dakargoT is, risTvisac<br />

wlebis ganmavlobaSi<br />

iRvwodiT.<br />

amave nomris skanvordis pasuxebi:<br />

skanvordi<br />

1.bohema. 2. paSteti. 3. patisoni. 4.<br />

Silka. 5. torbasebi. 6. amilaxvari. 7. filipe.<br />

8. sami. 9. berkli. 10. jomardi. 11.<br />

Ceini. 12. fabiano. 13. daxvari. 14. vani. 15.<br />

xokera. 16. xerxemali. 17. werovani. 18.<br />

sixarbe. 19. jigari. 19a. ni<strong>ge</strong>ri. 20. simbiozi.<br />

21. arameuli. 22. seri. 23. TaTi.<br />

24. glaxa. 25. treneri. 26. londoni. 27.<br />

xrali. 28. xazari. 29. Tarxani. 30. robeni.<br />

31. Samili. 32. CalamZivi. 33. <strong>ge</strong>movneba.<br />

34. karlo. 35. keni. 36. min<strong>ge</strong>Cauri.<br />

37. bulba. 38. katia. 39. flakoni 40. keke.<br />

41. mZivi. 42. kroasani. 43. princesa.<br />

44. alchaimeri. 45. galoperi. 46. asfiqsia.<br />

47. vibracia. 48. konteineri. 49.<br />

amazrzeni. 50. apieqsi. 51. vice. 52. rapira.<br />

53. besi. 54. naquCi. 55. mateo. 56. baqsi.<br />

57. julia. 58. hekla. 59. meri. 60. adresi.<br />

61. sairxe. 62. mili. 63. smiti. 64.<br />

mumia. 65. Talxi. 66. maTe. 67. brauni. 68.<br />

natalia.