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CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK<br />
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yovelkvireuli gazeTi<br />
gamodis samSabaTobiT N14 (<strong>275</strong>) 23.04<br />
04.201<br />
.2019 fasi 2 lari<br />
eqskluzivi<br />
daviT jandieri:<br />
`xelisufleba<br />
naRmzea da es<br />
naRmi aris<br />
sasamarTlo...~<br />
gv. 4<br />
gv. 14<br />
daTo gamcemliZe:<br />
`maTi mizani iyo saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifos sajarod damcireba~<br />
girgvlianis saqmis<br />
gasayalbeblad 20<br />
dReSi 4 kanoni<br />
Secvales<br />
cixis dRiuri gv. 8<br />
gv. 2<br />
pankisSi hess rusi<br />
biznesmeni<br />
aSenebs,romelic<br />
fsb-s `muSkaze~<br />
hyavs ayvanili<br />
gv. 8<br />
gv. 6<br />
gv. 12<br />
valeri gelbaxiani: `ocneba~ ki ar<br />
damarcxdeba, aramed daixrCoba!~<br />
goCa barnovi:<br />
`konstantinopolis sapatriarqo<br />
nabijs ar gadadgams<br />
saqarTvelos eklesiisa da<br />
saxelmwifos winaaRmdeg~<br />
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gv. 18 gv. 16<br />
gv. 18<br />
nino goguaZe:<br />
`ivaniSvili im gzas<br />
daadga, romelsac<br />
Cven vebrZodiT~<br />
Tengiz abloTia:<br />
`politika beseliakobaxiZis<br />
Cxubis<br />
donemde daeca~<br />
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girgvlianis saqmis gasayalbeblad<br />
`sandro girgvlianis saqme~ wina<br />
eliso kilaZe<br />
xelisuflebis bediswerad iqca. 2006<br />
599 17 12 12<br />
wlis 27 ianvars oqroyanaSi momxdari<br />
mkvleloba 2019 wels, amjerad, `qar-<br />
Tuli ocnebis~ xelisuflebis damokles maxvilad gadaiqca. mi-<br />
uxedavad imisa, rom `sandro girgvlianis saqmem~ araerTi<br />
prokurori da mosamarTle gamoicvala, dRemde mxolod levan<br />
murusiZea kritikis obieqti, isic imitom, rom mmarTveli parti-<br />
is liderma biZina ivaniSvilma is sakuTar favoritad daasaxela.<br />
sandro girgvlianis mkvleloba<br />
araerTgzis iqca politikuri<br />
spekulaciis sagnad, _ ase iyo<br />
2007 wels, roca maSindeli opozicia,<br />
samarTlis dadgenasTan<br />
erTad, konkretuli pirebis<br />
politikuri pasuxismgeblobis<br />
sakiTxs ayenebda da asea axlac,<br />
roca `girgvlianis saqmes~ konkretuli<br />
mosamarTleebis winaaRmdeg<br />
angariSsworebisTvis iyeneben<br />
is politikosebi, romlebmac,<br />
Tavis droze, yvelaferi<br />
gaakeTes `girgvlianis saqmis~<br />
Casafarcxad.<br />
spekulaciis axali talRa mas<br />
Semdeg daiwyo, rac `sandro girgvlianis<br />
saqmis~ erT-erTma advokatma,<br />
Salva SavguliZem, mTawmindaze<br />
kenWisyra gadawyvita da<br />
mas `evropulma saqarTvelom~<br />
dauWira mxari. SavguliZis am nabijs<br />
sazogadoebaSi araerTgvarovani<br />
reaqcia moyva da gansakuTrebiT<br />
mas Semdeg, rac `qronika+~-ma<br />
gaarkvia, rom ramdenime<br />
kanonSi specialurad Setanili<br />
cvlilebebis iniciatori evropuli<br />
saqarTvelos lideri da<br />
maSindeli iuridiuli komitetis<br />
Tavmjdomaris moadgile giga bokeria<br />
iyo. sakanonmdeblo cvlilebebma<br />
prokuraturas saSualeba<br />
misca, gamoZieba da sasamarTlo<br />
procesebi TanxvedraSi moeyvana.<br />
ra moxda 2006 wlis 27 ianvars<br />
da rogor ganviTarda movlenebi<br />
girgvlianis saqmis braldebuli<br />
pirebis dakavebis mere? ra<br />
weria strasburgis sasamarTlos<br />
gadawyvetilebaSi da ra cvlilebebi<br />
warudgina saqarTvelos<br />
parlaments iuridiuli komitetis<br />
Tavmjdomaris maSindelma<br />
moadgile giga bokeriam? _ `qronika+~-is<br />
skandaluri eqskluzivi.<br />
informacia `girgvlianis saq-<br />
mis~ Sesaxeb:<br />
2006 wlis 27 ianvars, saRamos<br />
11 saaTisTvis, megobrebis jgufi<br />
TbilisSi, kafe `SardenSi~ Seikriba.<br />
am jgufSi iyvnen Ss ministris<br />
meuRle Tako salayaia, Sss<br />
konstituciuri usafrTxoebis<br />
departamentis ufrosi daTa axalaia,<br />
misi moadgile oleg melnikovi,<br />
Sss generaluri inspeqciis<br />
ufrosi vasil sanoZe, saministros<br />
pres-samsaxuris ufrosi<br />
guram donaZe da masTan erTad<br />
imyofeboda kidev erTi qalbatoni<br />
TaTia maisuraZe.<br />
barSi misuli sandro girgvliani<br />
da levan buxaiZe TaTia<br />
maisuraZes calke magidasTan esaubrebian.<br />
TviTmxilvelebis<br />
TqmiT, saubari daZabuli iyo.<br />
rodesac maisuraZe megobrebis<br />
magidas daubrunda, mas Ss ministris<br />
meuRlem hkiTxa, xom ar<br />
hqonda raime problema? razedac<br />
maisuraZem ganacxada, rom axalgazrda<br />
kaci, romelsac is esaubra,<br />
misi megobari iyo da<br />
problema ar arsebobda.<br />
2006 wlis 28 ianvars, daaxloebiT,<br />
SuadRis 3 saaTze, sandro<br />
girgvlianis cxedari, misi<br />
sami megobris mier, erT-erTi<br />
adgilobrivi mcxovreblis daxmarebiT,<br />
Tbilisis SemogarenSi,<br />
oqroyanis sasaflaosTan axlos<br />
mdebare tyeSi, kafe `Sardenidan~<br />
6,3 kilometris daSorebiT, wels<br />
zemoT SiSveli, TovlSi ipoves.<br />
imave dRes, sasamarTlo samedicino<br />
eqspertebis mier momzadebuli<br />
daskvnis mixedviT: sandro<br />
girgvlianis gvamis vizualuri<br />
daTvalierebis Sedegad, marcxena<br />
idayvsa da mxarze araerTi<br />
paralelur xazovani Wriloba<br />
aRmoCnda, sami 8 sm-iani Wriloba<br />
kiserze aRiniSneboda, msgavsi<br />
Wriloba iyo yelzec, aseve uamravi<br />
Calurjeba da dazianeba,<br />
maTgan zogi Rrma, mkerdamde.<br />
msxverplis Sarvlis jibeSi napovni<br />
iqna jibis dana. eqspertizis<br />
daskvnis mixedviT, sikvdili<br />
saxis areSi miyenebulma orma<br />
Wrilobam gamoiwvia, msxverpli<br />
asfiqsiiT gardaicvala, rodesac<br />
xaxis Wrilobidan sisxli sasunTq<br />
milSi gadaiRvara. es mZime,<br />
sicocxlisTvis SeuTavsebeli<br />
Wriloba iyo.<br />
2006 wlis 6 marts Ss saministros<br />
TanamSromlebi gia alania,<br />
avTandil afciauri, aleqsandre<br />
RaWava da mixeil bibiluri daakaves.<br />
Tanamdebobidan gadaayenes<br />
daTa axalaia da guram donaZe.<br />
saqmis masalebidan irkveva,<br />
rom 2006 wlis 3 maiss prokuraturam<br />
oTx braldebuls maTi<br />
advokatis TandaswrebiT SesTavaza<br />
saproceso garigeba, kerZod,<br />
maT SesTavazes pirobiTi msjavri,<br />
Tu isini daasaxelebdnen Sinagan<br />
saqmeTa saministros romelime<br />
maRalCinosans an sxva pirs,<br />
romelsac danaSaulTan kavSiri<br />
hqonda. oTxive maTganma saproceso<br />
SeTanxmebaze uari Tqva.<br />
2006 wlis 23 marts sandro<br />
girgvlianis dedam saCivriT mimarTa<br />
gamomZiebels, rom `patimrobis<br />
Sesaxeb~ kanonis 86/62 muxlis<br />
darRveviT, oTxive braldebuli<br />
Tbilisis me-7 sapyrobile-<br />
Si erTsa da imave sakanSi hyavdaT<br />
moTavsebuli. irina enuqiZe acxadebda,<br />
rom es saSualebas aZlevda<br />
braldebulebs, SeeTanxmebinaT<br />
sakuTari Cvenebebi da amiT<br />
xeli SeeSalaT saqmeze WeSmaritebis<br />
dadgenisTvis, man moiTxova<br />
patimrebis dauyovnebliv<br />
gancalkeveba erTmaneTisgan da<br />
SuamdgomlobiT mimarTa sasjelaRsrulebis<br />
departamentis<br />
ufrossa da generalur prokurors,<br />
magram saCivarze pasuxi ar<br />
miuRia.<br />
araerTi wyaro adasturebda<br />
imas, rom sandro girgvlianis<br />
saqmeze dakavebuli pirebi sasjels<br />
komfortul pirobebSi ixdidnen,<br />
ar hqondaT medikamentebis,<br />
alkoholuri sasmelisa da<br />
narkotikebis miRebis problema,<br />
mezobel sakanSi myof patimrebs<br />
xSirad esmodaT maTi sicilisa<br />
da drostarebis xma. irina enuqiZe<br />
iTxovda, 48 saaTis ganmavlobaSi<br />
Catarebuliyo maTi samedicino<br />
Semowmeba sisxlSi alkoholisa<br />
da narkotikebis arsebobis<br />
dasadgenad, magram, cxadia,<br />
mis saCivrebze aranairi reagireba<br />
ar momxdara. sasjelaRsrulebis<br />
departamentis socialuri<br />
samsaxuris ufrosi acxadebda,<br />
rom oTxi braldebuli mxolod<br />
imitom iyo moTavsebuli erT sakanSi,<br />
rom meSvide sapyrobileSi<br />
saremonto samuSaoebi mimdinareobda.<br />
2006 wlis 28 aprils Setanil<br />
iqna cvlileba `patimrobis Sesaxeb~<br />
kanonSi da 8662 muxlidan<br />
amoiRes sityvebi `erTsa da imave<br />
sisxlis samarTlis saqmeze<br />
braldebul pirebs aTavseben<br />
cal-calke~. amave sxdomaze saqarTvelos<br />
parlamentma cvlilebebi<br />
Seitana sisxlis samarTlis<br />
kodeqsSi da saerTod gaauqma<br />
119-e muxli.<br />
2006 wlis 6 ivliss Tbilisis<br />
saqalaqo sasamarTlom, 119-e<br />
muxlis gauqmebis gamo, am muxlis<br />
safuZvelze wayenebuli braldebebi,<br />
aRniSnuli kodeqsis 117 6-e<br />
muxliT gadaakvalificira. gia<br />
alania damnaSaved cno winaswari<br />
SeTanxmebiT jgufis mier sicocxlisTvis<br />
saSiSi ZaladobiT<br />
Tavisuflebis ukanono aRkveTa-<br />
Si, janmrTelobis ganzrax mZime<br />
dazianebaSi, ramac gamoiwvia sicocxlis<br />
mospoba, samsaxurebrivi<br />
uflebamosilebis gadametebaSi<br />
da sxvisi nivTis dazianebaSi,<br />
gia alanias rva wliT Tavisuflebis<br />
aRkveTa miesaja, danarCen<br />
oTxs ki 7 wliT Tavisuflebis<br />
aRkveTa.<br />
metad sainteresod ganviTarda<br />
movlenebi pirveli instanciis<br />
sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebis<br />
gamotanis mere, _ prokuraturam<br />
ganaCeni saapelacio sasamarTloSi<br />
gaasaCivra da sasjelebis<br />
rva da cxra wlamde gazrda<br />
moiTxova, rac Seexeba sandro<br />
girgvlianis advokat Salva SavguliZes,<br />
man calke saapelacio<br />
saCivris Setana saWirod ar miiCnia.<br />
Salva SavguliZis argumentebi<br />
aseTi iyo: saapelacio sasamarTlo<br />
saqmes mxolod pirveli<br />
instanciis sasamarTlos ganaCen-<br />
Si Camoyalibebuli braldebis<br />
farglebSi ganixilavda da mas ar<br />
SeeZlo arc danaSaulis gadakvalificireba<br />
ganzrax mkvlelobad<br />
damamZimebel garemoebeb-<br />
Si da arc saqmis gagzavna damatebiTi<br />
gamoZiebisTvis. samagierod,<br />
sakasacio wesiT gaasaCivra saapelacio<br />
sasamarTlos 2006 wlis<br />
11 seqtembris gadawyvetileba,<br />
aseve moiTxova yvela im mtkicebulebis<br />
gacnoba, rac saqmes Tan<br />
erTvoda.<br />
2007 wlis 27 ivliss uzenaesma<br />
sasamarTlom, rogorc bolo<br />
instanciis sasamarTlom, daadgina,<br />
rom oTxi Tanamdebobis piris<br />
damnaSaved cnoba sxvisi nivTis<br />
ganadgurebis nawilSi saTanadod<br />
ar iyo dasabuTebuli da am<br />
nawilSi msjavrdebulebi gamarTldnen.<br />
Sedegad TiToeul ma-<br />
Tgans sasjelis vada eqvsi TviT<br />
Seumcirda, magram danarCen nawilSi<br />
qveda instanciis sasamarTlos<br />
ganaCeni ucvleli darCa.<br />
`sandro girgvlianis saqmeze~<br />
braldebuli pirebisTvis sasjelis<br />
eqvsi TviT Semcireba erTierTi<br />
mZime braldebaa, rasac axla<br />
opozicia da, maT Soris, evropuli<br />
saqarTvelo levan muru-<br />
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siZes edaveba, magram strasburgis<br />
sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebaSi<br />
aRwerili qronologia kidev<br />
erTxel adasturebs, rom murusiZis<br />
mier sasjelis Semcireba<br />
moyva swored sandro girgvlianis<br />
advokatis sakasacio sa-<br />
Civars, radgan uzenaes sasamarTloSi<br />
prokuraturas saapelacio<br />
sasamarTlos ganaCeni ar gausa-<br />
Civrebia.<br />
`qronika+~-is wyaros informaciiT,<br />
oc dReSi sami mosmeniT<br />
ramdenime aTeuli cvlileba Sevida<br />
saqarTvelos sisxlis samarTlis<br />
kodeqsSi da patimrobis<br />
Sesaxeb kanonSi. yvela cvlilebis<br />
iniciatori parlamentis sxdomebze<br />
iuridiuli komitetis<br />
Tavmjdomaris moadgile giga<br />
bokeria iyo. parlamentis samive<br />
sxdomis stenograma `qronika+~-<br />
Si inaxeba. giga bokerias, cxadia,<br />
`nacionaluri moZraobis~ sruli<br />
Semadgenloba erTxmad eTanxmeba.<br />
stenogramebis mixedviT mas winaaRmdegobas<br />
mxolod deputati<br />
valeri gelbaxiani uwevs.<br />
fragmenti parlamentis<br />
sxdomis stenogramidan:<br />
l. beJaSvili:<br />
`Semdegi proeqti gaxlavT `patimrobis<br />
Sesaxeb~ kanonSi cvlilebebi.<br />
am proeqtTan dakav-<br />
SirebiT iyo garkveuli SeniSvnebi<br />
adamianis uflebaTa komitetidan.<br />
Tqven mogexsenebaT, Cven<br />
pirveli mosmeniT gadavdeT is<br />
sakiTxebi, romlebic ukavSirdeboda<br />
paemnis raodenobis SezRudvas~.<br />
l. fafiaSvili:<br />
`pativcemulo kolegebo, amJamad<br />
qalbatoni elene TevdoraZe<br />
imyofeba strasburgSi da rogorc<br />
TviTon mogvaxsena, Camoaqvs<br />
rekomendaciebi am sakiTxTan mimarTebaSi.<br />
Cven viTxovT, rom<br />
droebiTi muxlebi, romlebic<br />
aregulireben patimrebis paemnebis<br />
raodenobas TveSi da weliwadSi,<br />
es muxlebi gadatanil iqnas<br />
mesame mosmeniT kanonproeqtis<br />
ganxilvisas~.<br />
g. bokeria:<br />
`me piradad vTvli da ramdenadac<br />
maxsovs, b-ni levanis pozicia<br />
aseTi aris, rom im sakiTxze,<br />
razec aris azrTa sxvadasxvaoba,<br />
maT Soris, iusticiis saministros<br />
kanonproeqtis avtorebsa<br />
da Tqvens komitets Soris,<br />
valdebulebebSi CavweroT, rom<br />
axal penitencialur kodeqsSi,<br />
privilegiebis sistemasTan dakavSirebiT,<br />
es principi unda iyos<br />
gaTvaliswinebuli da warmodgenis<br />
vadac davweroT~.<br />
sxdomis Tavmjdomare mixeil<br />
maWavariani kanonis cvlilebebis<br />
ganxilvasa da elene TevdoraZis<br />
dabrunebamde mis gadadebas iTxovs,<br />
rasac giga bokerias sakmaod<br />
uxeSi replika moyveba.<br />
g. bokeria:<br />
20 dReSi 4 kanoni Secvales<br />
`ki batono, me var arakolegialuri<br />
da aragenderuli da<br />
axla ra unda vqna axla, ki batono,<br />
gadawyvitos, Tqvenc TqviT,<br />
batono mixeil, gadaidos maSin,<br />
gmadlobT~.<br />
v. gelbaxiani:<br />
`aq weria, rom am kanoniT gaTvaliswinebul<br />
sakiTxebze saqarTvelos<br />
iusticiis ministrs<br />
ufleba aqvs gamosces brZaneba,<br />
romlis debulebebi ar unda ewinaaRmdegebodes<br />
am kanonis debulebebs.<br />
axla cota samarTlebrivad<br />
gviTxariT, es ranairi<br />
konstruqciaa, ras niSnavs, saer-<br />
Tod, es, e. i. am kanonis safuZveli?..<br />
debulebebi ar unda ewinaa-<br />
Rmdegebodes. am kanons ra datvirTva<br />
aqvs? ubralod, es aqsiomaa,<br />
batono levan, iciT Tqven.<br />
met punqtTan dakavSrebiT,<br />
batono levan, me mainteresebs,<br />
SeTanxmeba ra dokumentiT formdeba,<br />
sadac weria, rom Tanamdebobaze<br />
niSnavs da aTavisuflebs<br />
departamentis Tavmjdomare<br />
iusticiis ministrTan SeTanxmebiT.<br />
es SeTanxmeba sityvieria Tu<br />
werilobiT aris dafiqsirebuli?<br />
da, saerTod, sakadro pasuxismgebloba<br />
am SemTxvevaSi, vis<br />
ekisreba, SeTanxmebis avtors Tu<br />
brZanebis avtors?<br />
Tu mivandobT Cven sasjelaRsrulebis<br />
departaments sasjelis<br />
reJimis gansazRvras, imas<br />
niSnavs, rom Cven kidev gveqneba<br />
aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis<br />
sasamarTlo organo, romelsac,<br />
Turme, penitenciuri funqciis<br />
garda gaaCnia sasamarTlo funqciebic.<br />
me gTxovT, rom es aris<br />
Zalian seriozuli sakiTxi, davukvirdeT<br />
da davufiqrdeT am<br />
sakiTxs, nu gavakeTebT ise, isedac<br />
pretenziebia, rom Cveni sasjelaRsrulebis<br />
dawesebuleba<br />
ar aris penitenciuri dawesebuleba.<br />
eseni aris sasjelis moxdis<br />
adgilebi da ver asruleben im<br />
funqcias, rasac am SemTxvevaSi<br />
penitencialoba iTvaliswinebs~.<br />
gelbaxianis kiTxvebma da iuridiul<br />
niuansebSi CakiTxvebma<br />
giga bokeria ise gaaRiziana, gelbaxians<br />
aslan abaSiZe da politikuri<br />
pasuxismgebloba Seaxsena<br />
da inglisis magaliTi mouyvana,<br />
_ inglisSi SeiZleba samudamo<br />
patimroba misjili adamiani,<br />
mag., qali qmris mkvlelobisTvis<br />
ijdes, magram meoTxe sammarTvelosnair<br />
dasasvenebel saxlSi<br />
ixdides patimrobas da SabaTs<br />
uSvebdnen erTi dRiT saxlSi da<br />
is brundeba Tavisi fexiT (citata).<br />
cxadze cxadia, rom am analogis<br />
moSveliebiT giga bokeria<br />
sandro girgvlianis saqmeze braldebuli<br />
pirebis sasjelis moxdis<br />
garemosa da pirobebis gamarTlebas<br />
cdilobda.<br />
konkretulad, sisxlis<br />
samarTlis romel muxlebSi<br />
Sevida cvlilebebi?<br />
2006 wlis 28 aprils parlamentis<br />
sxdomaze miRebuli cvlilebebiT,<br />
romlis iniciatoric<br />
giga bokeria iyo, cvlilebebi<br />
Sevida sisxlis samarTlis<br />
kodeqsis 109.117-e, 143.187-e 333-<br />
e da 3711-e muxlebSi.<br />
muxli 119-e gauqmda 2006<br />
wlis 28 aprils.<br />
janmrTelobis dazianeba sasikvdilo<br />
SedegiT-janmrTelobis<br />
ganzrax mZime an naklebad mZime<br />
dazianeba, ramac gaufrTxileblobiT<br />
gamoiwvia sicocxlis mospoba,<br />
isjeba Tavisuflebis aRkveTiT<br />
vadiT samidan aT wlamde.<br />
am faqtebis srulyofili analizis<br />
mere, strasburgis adamianis<br />
uflebaTa sasamarTlo gadawyvetilebaSi<br />
wers, rom seriozuli<br />
wuxili gauCnda am gamoZiebis<br />
keTilsindisierebisa da efeqtianobis<br />
Taobaze, risi gaqarwylebac<br />
saxelmwifom ver moaxerxa<br />
verc werilobiTi da verc<br />
zepiri gancxadebiT.<br />
sasamarTlo kidev erTxel<br />
aRniSnavs, rom sandro girgvlianis<br />
sikvdilis garemoebebis gamoZiebas<br />
aSkarad aklia aucilebeli<br />
damoukidebloba, miuker-<br />
Zoebloba, obieqturoba da gulmodgineba.<br />
piriqiT, saqmis Sesabamisi<br />
garemoebebi SesaZleblobas<br />
aZlevs sasamarlos daaskvnas,<br />
rom Sidasaxelmwifoebrivma organoebma<br />
arakeTilsindisierad<br />
warmarTes saqmis gamoZieba. sasamarTlo<br />
gaognebulia im faqtiT,<br />
rom saxelmwifo xelisuflebis<br />
sxvadasxva ganStoeba, Sss, gamo-<br />
Ziebis sawyis stadiaze, daSvebuli<br />
darRvevebiT, prokuratura<br />
gamoZiebis Semdgom stadiaze<br />
daSvebuli darRvevebiT, sasjelaRsrulebis<br />
departamenti,<br />
msjavrdebulebis erT sakanSi<br />
ukanonod moTavsebiT, Sida sasamarTloebi<br />
arasrulfasovani<br />
sasamarTlo ganxilvebiTa da<br />
msjavrdebulebis vadaze adre<br />
ganTavisuflebiT, saqarTvelos<br />
prezidentis msjavrdebulebis<br />
mimarT gaumarTlebeli lmobierebis<br />
gamovleniT, da a. S. yvela<br />
erTad xmaSewyobilad moqmedebda<br />
im miznisTvis, rom am<br />
Semzaravi mkvlelobis saqmeze<br />
rogorme ar ganxorcielebuliyo<br />
marTlmsajuleba.<br />
277-e muxlSi sasamarTlo kvlav<br />
aRniSnavs: rodesac adamiani<br />
kvdeba saeWvo garemoebaSi da<br />
amasTan saxelmwifos warmomadgenlis<br />
xelSi gamoZiebis warmoebisas,<br />
Sesabamis Sidasaxelmwifoebriv<br />
organoebs gansakuTrebuli<br />
yuradRebis gamoCena<br />
hmarTebT, winaaRmdeg SemTxveva-<br />
Si, saxelmwifo gamoavlens ra<br />
sicocxlisTvis saSiSi aqtebis<br />
mimarT Semwynareblur damokidebulebas<br />
Tavis warmomadgenleb-<br />
Si, dausjelobis grZnobis ganvi-<br />
Tarebis riskis winaSe dadgeba,<br />
rasac SeuZlia, gza gauxsnas sxva<br />
TavzexelaRebul danaSaulebs, _<br />
iseTebs, rogorsac adgili hqonda<br />
mocemul saqmeSi.<br />
P. S. samwuxarod, am faqtebis<br />
gaJRerebis mere sandro girgv-<br />
lianis saqmis advokatma da<br />
mTawmindis maJoritarobis kan-<br />
didatma Salva SavguliZem<br />
`qronika+~-Tan SeTanxmebuli<br />
interviu CaSala. Tu mas an<br />
`evropuli saqarTvelos~ romelime<br />
liders am sakiTxebze gan-<br />
martebis gakeTebis survili<br />
gauCndebaT, siamovnebiT davuT-<br />
mobT gazeTis furclebs.<br />
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`xelisufleba naRmzea da<br />
saqme, romelmac qveyanaSi poli-<br />
levan qemokliZe<br />
tikuri realoba kidev erTxel Se-<br />
593 16 01 40<br />
cvala, vis ra wvlili aqvs stras-<br />
burgis sasamarTloSi girgvlianis<br />
saqmeze da ratom amaxinjeben faqtebs? ra SeeZlo gaekeTebina<br />
murusiZes kanonisa da konstituciis mixedviT da ar gaakeTa?<br />
ratom daiwyo biZina ivaniSvilma saubari murusiZis sikeTeebze<br />
da, realurad, ra daadgina strasburgis xelaxalma gamoZiebam?!<br />
`qronika+~-is kiTxvebs pasux-<br />
obs girgvlianis saqmis advokati<br />
starsburgis sasamarTloSi _ dav-<br />
iT jandieri:<br />
_ daviT, bolo dros, mmarTveli<br />
gundi levan murusiZes dadeb-<br />
iTad warmoaCens `girgvlianis<br />
saqmesTan~ dakavSirebiT. aseve<br />
cota xnis win inga grigolias ga-<br />
dacemaSi mosazrebebi movismineT,<br />
TiTqosda Tqveni roli am saqmeze<br />
strasburgSi minimaluri iyo, ra-<br />
mac Tqveni gaRizianeba gamoiwvia.<br />
ra xdeba? ratom gaaqtiurda es<br />
sakiTxi dRes da vis interesebSi<br />
Sedis `girgvlianis saqmis~ gadaw-<br />
era?<br />
_ bolo periodSi am sakiTxze<br />
sajarod gakeTebulma arasworma<br />
gamonaTqvamebma eWvebi gaaCina imis<br />
Sesaxeb, rac mimaCnda, rom yvelam<br />
icoda. merwmuneT, iZulebuli gavxdi,<br />
inga grigolias eTerSi damereka<br />
da Cems rolze mesaubra<br />
`girgvlianis saqmesTan~ dakavSirebiT<br />
strasburgis sasamarTloSi,<br />
ris Sesaxebac, ganaCenis gamotanidan<br />
am dromde, 8 wlis ganmavlobaSi,<br />
ar misaubria. ubralod,<br />
amis mtkicebis saWiroebas ver vxedavdi.<br />
21-e saukunea da yvela dainteresebuli<br />
pirisTvis xelmisawvdomia,<br />
Tundac strasburgSi gamarTuli<br />
sxdomebis amsaxveli videomasala.<br />
18 aprilamdec moxda araswori<br />
satelevizio pozicionireba, romlis<br />
drosac me, rogorc am saqmis<br />
strasburgSi warmmarTveli advokati,<br />
saerTod amogdebuli viyavi<br />
Sinaarsidan, TiTqos Cems mxrebze,<br />
yvela gagebiT ar gadaiara am<br />
saqmem strasburgSi. samwuxarod,<br />
bodiSi aravis mouxdia, arc aravis<br />
auxsnia, uxerxulobac ar ugrZniaT,<br />
am yvelafris mcdelobac ar<br />
yofila. 2019 wlis 16 aprilis `imedis~<br />
eTeris Semdeg, dReSi ramdenjerme,<br />
erT-erTi partiis aqtivisgan<br />
CemTvis gaugebrad da auxsnelad<br />
vismendi teleekranidan da<br />
socialuri mediidan yvelafers<br />
`girgvlianis saqmesTan~ dakavSirebiT<br />
strasburgSi Cemi xsenebis<br />
gverdis avliT. ingas eTerSi erT-<br />
erTi partiis warmomadgenlma<br />
kidev erTxel gaavrcela araswori<br />
mesiji, romelic mimaCnia, rom miznad<br />
isaxavda sajarod Cemi rolis<br />
dakninebas `girgvlianis saqmeSi~<br />
da amaze dumili, ubralod, ver SevZeli.<br />
rogorc satelefono CarTvis<br />
dros vTqvi, iZulebuli gavxdi,<br />
pirdapir eTerSi damereka.<br />
mimaCnia, rom adamians ar unda<br />
daukargo misi naSromi, arc sxvisi<br />
gakeTebulis aRniSvna unda gaSinebdes<br />
_ piradad me, miuxedavad Cven<br />
Soris arsebuli daZabuli urTierTobisa,<br />
ramdenime dRis win Tea<br />
wulukianTan, rogorc strasburgis<br />
sasamarTlos samdivnos imdroindel<br />
TanamSromelTan mimarTebiT,<br />
am saqmeSi mis pozitiur rolzec<br />
vTqvi eTerSi diana trapaiZesTan.<br />
asevea Salva SavguliZe, romelic<br />
qveynis SigniT am saqmes sawyisi<br />
etapidan icavda. ar iyo ioli<br />
maSin am saqmis aReba. iseve rogorc<br />
Tavs uflebas ar mivcem Sida instanciebSi<br />
Salva SavguliZis rolis<br />
dakninebis, aseve ar davuSveb<br />
Cemi, rogorc advokatis rolis<br />
gverdis avlas strasburgSi.<br />
rac Seexeba am saqmesTan dakav-<br />
SirebiT strasburgis sasamarTlo-<br />
Si Cems rols, komunikaciis etapidanve<br />
_ yvela procesualuri<br />
qmedeba, maT Soris, saqmis dasaSvebobac,<br />
arsebiTi mxarec (romelzec<br />
erTdroulad imsjela sasamarTlom),<br />
procesze gamosvlisa da<br />
procesis warmarTvis CaTvliT, iyo<br />
Cem mier dauRalavi SromiT, individualuri<br />
da udidesi pasuxismgeblobiT<br />
ganxorcielebuli.<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom zogadad<br />
mimaCnia, `girgvlianis saqme~ strasburgSi<br />
moigo irina enuqiZem, guram<br />
girgvlianma, sandros megobrebma<br />
da aTeulobiT adamianma, Tu<br />
ara mTlianad qarTulma sazogadoebam,<br />
SemiZlia gabedulad vTqva<br />
is, rac simarTlea _ Tu vinmes Seu-<br />
Zlia Tqvas, pirvel rigSi, me maqvs<br />
ufleba, _ strasburgSi movige<br />
`girgvlianis saqme~. Cemi naSromi<br />
Cemi naSromia, sityvebic, formulirebac,<br />
precedentuli samarTlis<br />
codna da analizi, romelTa<br />
saRamos 11:00 saaTisTvis, Tbilis-<br />
Si, kafe `SardenSi~ Seikriba megobarTa<br />
jgufi: Ss ministris meuRle<br />
Tako salayaia-merabiSvili,<br />
Sss-s kud-is ufrosi daTa axalaia,<br />
misi moadgile oleg melnikovi,<br />
Sss-s generaluri inspeqciis ufrosi<br />
vasil sanoZe, saministros prescentris<br />
ufrosi da ministris<br />
presspikeri guram donaZe, Tako salayaias<br />
megobari ana kalandaZe da<br />
TaTia maisuraZe.<br />
amave barSi, mogvianebiT, mividnen<br />
sandro girgvliani da misi megobari<br />
levan buxaiZe. kafeSi SesvlisTanave<br />
sandro girgvlianma<br />
TaTia maisuraZe SeniSna, romelTanac<br />
axlo urTierToba hqonda da<br />
romelsac barSi misvlamde telefoniT<br />
esaubra. miuaxlovda mas da,<br />
sufris sxva wevrebis TandaswrebiT,<br />
mkveTri JestebiT dauwyo<br />
saubari, radgan barSi misvlamde<br />
satelefono saubrisas, TaTia maisuraZem<br />
daumala da ar gaumxila,<br />
rom `Sarden barSi~ imyofeboda.<br />
girgvlianisa da maisuraZis Selaparakeba<br />
amave barSi myofma sandros<br />
megobarma, zaal qurcikaSvilma<br />
SeamCnia, romelmac mosalodneli<br />
usiamovnebis Tavidan acilebis<br />
mizniT, sandro Ss minis-<br />
daviT jandieri:<br />
`murusiZis dadebiTad<br />
warmoCena da Cemi<br />
rolis strasburgSi<br />
daknineba<br />
`girgvlianis<br />
saqmis~<br />
gadawerad<br />
mimaCnia~<br />
sworad Camoyalibebasa da gaweraze<br />
Rameebs vaTenebdi, rac mTavrobis<br />
SepasuxebaSi rekordulad<br />
mcire droSi avsaxe, swored Cemi<br />
kompetenciis gamo gaxda aucilebeli<br />
Cemi am saqmeSi CarTva; isic,<br />
ra sityviTac sasamarTlo sxdomaze<br />
gamovedi da paeqroba/replikis<br />
stadiazec, mas Semdeg, rac inglisur<br />
enaze gamovida sityviT iusticiis<br />
ministris maSindeli moadgile,<br />
romelic mTavrobis interesebs<br />
icavda.<br />
Zalian vwuxvar, rom aucilebeli<br />
gaxda amaze mesaubra. es rom<br />
asea, gasakviri verc iqneba, radgan<br />
sxvadasxva sasamarTloSi saqmis<br />
warmoebis sxvadasxva wesia. qveynis<br />
SigniT Sida kanonmdeblobis saTanado<br />
codna da qveynis gareT _ upiratesad,<br />
saerTaSoriso samarTlis,<br />
romlis swavlasac ramdenime<br />
weli movandome strasburgis universitetSi.<br />
amitom yvelas Tavisi<br />
roli hqonda. me es roli, wili da<br />
wvlili konvenciis codnidan gamomdinare<br />
mqonda strasburgSi.<br />
aseve aucileblad unda aRiniSnos<br />
is didi wvlili, romelic im<br />
dros giorgi TargamaZem imedze,<br />
gadacema `droebaSi~ am ambis Sesaxeb<br />
vrceli siuJetis gaSvebiT Seasrula.<br />
murusiZis dadebiTad warmoCena<br />
da Cemi rolis strasburg-<br />
Si daknineba girgvlianis saqmis<br />
gadawerad mimaCnia. Tu sxvebs ar<br />
erideba araswori informaciis sajarod<br />
gaJRerebis, arasamarTliani<br />
pozicionirebis, vwuxvar, magram<br />
iZulebuli gavxdi, simarTliT<br />
mepasuxa. es ar SeiZleba iqnas<br />
gagebuli, rogorc arakeTilganwyobis<br />
gamoxatva vinmes mimarT _<br />
rac aseve arc me damimsaxurebia,<br />
magram es Cemi, rogorc pirovnuli,<br />
aseve profesiuli Rirsebis sakiTxia.<br />
mas Semdeg, rac iyo mcdeloba,<br />
gafermkrTalebuliyo sajarod<br />
Cemi roli `girgvlianis saqmeSi~, am<br />
yvelaferze pasuxi ori an ramdenime<br />
adamianis Sida saubriT Tu axsniT<br />
veRar Semoifargleboda,<br />
radganac sajarod gakeTebul gancxadebebs<br />
aseve sajarod unda gaeces<br />
marTali pasuxi. kidev erTxel<br />
vambob: Zalian vwuxvar. met<br />
siRrmeebSi aRar Seval.<br />
_ dRes ra viciT sandros mkvlelobasTan<br />
dakavSirebul gare-<br />
moebebze? ra daadgina gamoZiebam<br />
da vis ra miesaja 2012 wlis xe-<br />
lisuflebis cvlilebis Semdeg?<br />
_ realurad, moxda Semdegi:<br />
2006 wlis 27 ianvars, daaxloebiT,<br />
`miuxedavad imisa, rom zogadad mimaCnia,<br />
`girgvlianis saqme~ strasburgSi moigo irina<br />
enuqiZem, guram girgvlianma, sandros<br />
megobrebma da aTeulobiT adamianma, Tu ara<br />
mTlianad qarTulma sazogadoebam, SemiZlia<br />
gabedulad vTqva is, rac simarTlea - Tu<br />
vinmes SeuZlia Tqvas, pirvel rigSi, me maqvs<br />
ufleba, - strasburgSi movige `girgvlianis<br />
saqme~. Cemi naSromi Cemi naSromia, sityvebic,<br />
formulirebac, precedentuli samarTlis<br />
codna da analizi, romelTa sworad<br />
Camoyalibebasa da gaweraze Rameebs vaTenebdi,<br />
rac mTavrobis SepasuxebaSi rekordulad<br />
mcire droSi avsaxe, swored Cemi kompetenciis<br />
gamo gaxda aucilebeli Cemi am saqmeSi CarTva~<br />
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es naRmi aris sasamarTlo...~<br />
tris meuRlis sufras gamoarida.<br />
mogvianebiT, TaTia maisuraZe sandro<br />
girgvlianis magidasTan gadajda,<br />
sadac daZabuli saubari<br />
gagrZelda. erT momentSi sandro<br />
girgvlianma ucenzuro sityvebiT<br />
moixsenia ministris meuRlis sufrasTan<br />
msxdomi erT-erTi Tanamdebobis<br />
piri. daTa axalaias davalebiT,<br />
sandro girgvlianTan angariSsworebis<br />
mizniT, `Sarden<br />
baris~, Tavisuflebis moednis, leseliZis<br />
quCis mimarTulebiT da<br />
mimdebare teritoriebze ganlagdnen<br />
kudis TanamSromlebi: aleqsandre<br />
RaWava, geronti alania, avTandil<br />
afciauri, mixeil bibiluriZe,<br />
daviT qoqiaSvili, valerian metreveli,<br />
ioseb xasaia da sxvebi. melnikovis<br />
miniSnebiT alaniam, Tanmxleb<br />
pirebTan „ qoqiaSvilTan da<br />
RaWavasTan erTad, sandro girgvliani<br />
da misi megobari Zalis gamoyenebiT<br />
Caisves avtomanqanaSi da<br />
Tbilisidan ramdenime kilometris<br />
moSorebiT mdebare oqroyanis sasaflaoze<br />
gaitaces. aq maT SemouerTda<br />
bibiluriZe da afciauri.<br />
gamtaceblebma sandro girgvliani<br />
da misi megobari Zlier yinvaSi<br />
gaaSiSvles da sastikad scemes.<br />
wamebis mizniT, sandros sxeulis<br />
sxvadasxva areSi daniT miayenes<br />
mravali Wriloba da umweo mdgomareobaSi<br />
ukacriel adgilze miatoves.<br />
meore dRes, 2006 wlis 28<br />
ianvars, daaxloebiT SuadRis 3 saaTze,<br />
sandros wels zemoT SiSveli<br />
gvami TovlSi aRmoaCines erTerTi<br />
adgilobrivi mcxovreblis<br />
daxmarebiT, oqroyanis sasaflaos-<br />
Tan axlos. gvamis gakveTis mixedviT,<br />
msxverpls yelze mWreli niv-<br />
TiT miyenebuli hqonda 12 sxvadasxva<br />
zomis Wriloba. miyenebuli sami<br />
Wrilobidan erT-erTi maTgani 0.5<br />
sm diametris iyo da xaxamde aRwevda.<br />
eqspertizis daskvnis mixedviT,<br />
Wrilobebi mWreli, wvetiani da<br />
tariani sagniT, savaraudod, daniT<br />
iyo miyenebuli. marcxena mxarze,<br />
aseve marcxena wina mxarze, marjvena<br />
mxarze, TiTebze, mucelze,<br />
orive muxlsa da wvivebze, TeZoebze,<br />
Sublze, cxvirze da Tvalebis<br />
irgvliv, aseve aRmoCenil iqna mravalricxovani<br />
Wriloba. eqspertebis<br />
TqmiT, sandros organizmSi alkoholis<br />
Semcveloba umniSvnelo<br />
iyo. sikvdili ki xaxis areSi miyenebulma<br />
orma Wrilobam _ asfiqsiam<br />
gamoiwvia, rodesac xaxis Wrilobidan<br />
sisxli sasunTq milSi gadaiRvara.<br />
rac Seexeba sandros megobar<br />
buxaiZes, gamtaceblebma<br />
Zlier nacemi da SiSvel mdgomareobaSi<br />
myofi sasaflaoze datoves,<br />
romelmac uaxloes benzingasamarT<br />
sadgurs miagno, saidanac policias<br />
daukavSirda.<br />
Sss gamoZiebis sawyisi etapidanve<br />
axdenda sandro girgvlianis<br />
sicocxlisa da Tavisuflebis xelyofis<br />
samarTalwarmoebis miker-<br />
Zoebul, arasrulyofil, usamarTlo<br />
da araobieqtur gamoZiebas,<br />
rac xorcieldeboda maSindeli ministrisa<br />
da kudis ufrosis, daTa<br />
axalaias xelmZRvanelobiT, aseve<br />
adgili hqonda sasjelis arasaTanado<br />
aRsrulebisaTvis msjavrdebuli<br />
pirebisTvis ukanono SeRavaTebis<br />
dawesebas da sasjelisgan<br />
maT vadamde ganTavisuflebas.<br />
ganaxlebuli gamoZiebis farglebSi<br />
dadginda, rom sandro girgvlianis<br />
gvamis aRmoCenidan me-2-<br />
me-3 dRes, Tbilisis mTavari sammarTvelos<br />
maSindelma ufrosma<br />
merab baRaTuriam, vano merabiSvils<br />
piradad moaxsena Tbilisis<br />
kriminaluri samsaxurebis mier dadgenili,<br />
Cadenili danaSaulis<br />
garemoebebi. baRaTuria merabiSvilisgan<br />
Tanxmobas iTxovda kudis<br />
im moxeleebis dakavebaze, Tumca<br />
maT Soris gamarTuli ramdenime<br />
Sexvedris miuxedavad, Tanxmoba<br />
ver miiRo. danaSaulis Cadenidan<br />
aseve 2-3 dReSi parlamentis imJamindelma<br />
Tavmjdomare nino burjanaZem<br />
TavisTan miiwvia Ss ministri<br />
da mosTxova danaSaulis CadenaSi<br />
monawile pirebis, maT Soris, daTa<br />
axalaias pasuxisgebaSi micema.<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom gamoZiebis<br />
sawyis etapzeve vano merabiSvilisTvis<br />
cnobili iyo danaSaul-<br />
Tan dakavSirebuli garemoebebi,<br />
man 37 dRis ganmavlobaSi saqmis<br />
`gamoZieba~ warmarTa mis samsaxurebriv<br />
daqvemdebarebaSi myofi<br />
sagamoZiebo danayofis meSveobiT.<br />
dadgenilebaSi, merabiSvilis braldebis<br />
Sesaxeb, romelsac xels awers<br />
Tbilisis yofili prokurori<br />
maia mwariaSvili, miTiTebulia,<br />
rom v. sanoZis, T. merabiSvilis, d.<br />
axalaias, v. melnikovis, g. donaZis,<br />
T. maisuraZis, a. kalandaZis `dakiTxva~<br />
ganxorcielda v. sanoZis samuSao<br />
kabinetSi yvela zemoT dasaxelebuli<br />
piris erToblivi monawileobiT<br />
da Tamar merabiSvilis<br />
miTiTebebisa da koreqtirebebis<br />
fonze, dasakiTx pirTa poziciebisa<br />
da maT mier gamoTqmuli frazebis<br />
urTierTSejerebiT, rasac<br />
usityvod afiqsirebda gamomZiebeli<br />
da romelsac zedamxedvelobda<br />
iqve myofi sagamoZiebo ganyofilebis<br />
ufrosis moadgile. miuxedavad<br />
imisa, rom gamoZiebam mowmis<br />
saxiT dakiTxa z. qurcikaSvili,<br />
misi Cveneba aRar arsebobs gamoZiebis<br />
masalebSi, aseve ar momxdara<br />
misi Semdgomi dakiTxva prokuraturaSi<br />
gamoZiebis etapze. gamoZiebis<br />
dasawyisSi satelefono saoperatoro<br />
qselebidan mopovebul iqna<br />
10-mde abonentis detaluri amonaweri,<br />
saidanac oris (s. girgvlianisa<br />
da g. alanias) garda yvela sxva<br />
danarCeni saqmidan amoRebulia;<br />
saqmis mwarmoebelma gamomZiebelma,<br />
sisxlis samarTlis saqme, 2006<br />
wlis 5 marts, Tbilisis imJamindel<br />
prokuror g. RviniaSvils, misive<br />
moTxovniT, saTanado mimarTviT<br />
dautova sakuTar kabinetSi, Semdgom<br />
aRniSnuli mimarTvis teqsti<br />
aseve Seicvala sxva mimarTvis weriliT,<br />
vinaidan saqmes g. RviniaSvilisTvis<br />
gadacemis dros Tan er-<br />
Tvoda 3 lazeruli diski: `magTisa~<br />
da `jeoselis~ anZebis monacemebi,<br />
badri patarkaciSvilis saxlidan<br />
amoRebuli videoTvalis<br />
`rodesac baton murusiZeze vsaubrobT, kidev erTxel<br />
minda Zalian xazgasmiT vTqva, rom Cven vsaubrobT<br />
sistemur danaSaulze, Cven araviTari iluzia ar<br />
gvaqvs imisa, rom am saqmis ase cudad damTavrebaSi<br />
qveynis Sida instanciebSi brali unda davdoT<br />
mxolod erT konkretul mosamarTles... es iyo<br />
sistemuri danaSauli, romelSic yvelas Tavisi roli<br />
da wvlili hqonda Setanili, maT Soris, murusiZesac!~<br />
Canaweri, sadac asaxuli iyo damnaSaveTa<br />
moZraoba oqroyanis mimarTulebiT<br />
da _ ukan. diski moicavda<br />
Canawers Ramis 02:00 saaTidan _<br />
03:00 saaTamde.<br />
saqmeSi arsebuli mimarTva aRar<br />
moicavs miTiTebas am danarTebze<br />
da saqmeze darTuli Canaweri am-<br />
Jamad aris mxolod 34 wami. organizatorobis<br />
argaTqmis sanacvlod<br />
msjavrdebulebs SesTavazes<br />
finansuri sazRauris gadaxda 100-<br />
100 aTasi amerikuli dolaris odenobiT,<br />
aseve maTi ojaxebis uzrunvelyofa<br />
da mTeli rigi privilegiebiT<br />
sargebloba sasjelaRsrulebis<br />
dawesebulebaSi yofnis<br />
periodSi. kerZod, gamoZiebis sawyis<br />
etapzeve vano merabiSvili Sexvda<br />
braldebulebs da maT Sehpirda,<br />
rom `mis gasakeTebels Tavadve<br />
gaakeTebda da maT problema ar SeeqmnebodaT~,<br />
rac man ganaxorciela<br />
kidec. 2006 wlis 3 maiss braldebulebs<br />
fiqtiurad SesTavazes<br />
saproceso SeTanxmeba danaSaulSi<br />
monawile maTze maRali Tanamdebobis<br />
piris viTom da ganTqmis SemTxvevaSi<br />
pirobiTi msjavris sanacvlod<br />
da am SeTavazebis dokumenti<br />
moaTavses maTi braldebis sisxlis<br />
samarTlis saqmeSi.<br />
gamoZiebis gayalbebis mizniT<br />
Sedga `saidumlo~ werilebi, romlebzec<br />
wvdoma SesaZlebeli gaxda<br />
mxolod strasburgSi samarTalwarmoebis<br />
etapze. gamovlinda, rom<br />
daTa axalaias 2006 wlis 24 TebervliT<br />
daTariRebuli `saidumlo~<br />
weriliT #16/27 (s) vano merabiSvilisadmi,<br />
Tavis mxriv, merabiSvilis<br />
aseve 2006 wlis 24 TebervliT<br />
daTariRebuli `saidumlo~ weriliT<br />
#16/12(2)-2 imJamindeli generalur<br />
prokuror z. adeiSvilisadmi,<br />
axalaia angariSs abarebs<br />
merabiSvils, TiTqosda am ukanasknelis<br />
davalebis Sesrulebis mimdinareobaze,<br />
rac Seexeboda girgvlianis<br />
gardacvalebis garemoebebis<br />
dadgenisTvis mis mier viTom<br />
da gatarebul operatiul-samZebro<br />
RonisZiebebs. merabiSvilisTvis<br />
gagzavnil werilSi axalaia<br />
`askvnis~, rom mis xelT arsebuli<br />
operatiuli monacemebiT, girgvlianisa<br />
da buxaiZis mimarT Cadenil<br />
danaSaulSi monawileobdnen<br />
mxolod: g. alania, m. bibiluriZe,<br />
a. afciauri da al. RaWava. Sesabamisad,<br />
merabiSvilma daTa axalaias<br />
werili viTomda gaugzavna saqar-<br />
Tvelos generalur prokuror z.<br />
adeiSvils, romelmac Semdgom<br />
prokuraturas dauqvemdebara gamoZieba.<br />
gamoZiebiT dadginda, rom<br />
zemoaRniSnuli `saidumlo~ werilebi<br />
Sedgenilia ara maTze miTiTebul<br />
dros, aramed Sesrulda<br />
mogvianebiT, gamoZiebis inscenirebis<br />
gegmis farglebSi da warmoadgens<br />
yalb dokumentebs ararsebuli<br />
rekvizitebiT. amdenad, saqmis<br />
gamoZiebas xelmZRvanelobda Tavad<br />
danaSaulis organizatori da-<br />
Ta axalaia. Tbilisis saqalaqo<br />
sasamarTlos 2006 wlis 6 ivlisis<br />
ganaCeniT, sasjelis moxdis mizniT,<br />
g. alania, al. RaWava, m. bibiluriZe<br />
da a. afciauri 2006 wlis 18<br />
ivliss moTavsebul iqnen Tbilis-<br />
Si, #10 sasjelaRsrulebis dawesebulebaSi.<br />
maTTvis winaswari Sepirebis<br />
Tanaxmad, dawesebulebaSi<br />
moTavsebamde, sagangebod garemontda<br />
damoukidebeli sacxovrebeli<br />
farTi (yofili medcentri),<br />
dawesebulebis danarCeni teritoriisgan<br />
izolirebis mizniT SemoiRoba<br />
gare perimetri, moewyo<br />
calke sveli wertilebi, samzareulo<br />
da sxva saTavsebi, Seitanes axali<br />
aveji da sxva sayofacxovrebo<br />
teqnika, damontaJda interneti,<br />
sakabelo televizia da eleqtroenergiis<br />
damoukidebeli wyaros<br />
xazebi. am patimrebze ar vrceldeboda<br />
cixis SinaganawesiT dadgenili<br />
msjavrdebulTa qcevis wesebi,<br />
SeuzRudavad gadaadgildebodnen<br />
mTel teritoriaze, Sediodnen administraciul<br />
korpusSi, SeuzRudavad<br />
sargeblobdnen mobiluri<br />
telefonebiT, dRe-Ramis nebismier<br />
dros, ganusazRvreli droiT da<br />
raodenobiT, iRebdnen stumrebs,<br />
romlebic, ZiriTadad, iyvnen: Zalovani<br />
saministroebis moxeleebi,<br />
umaspinZldebodnen maT alkoholuri<br />
sasmeliT, sargeblobdnen seqsualuri<br />
momsaxurebiT; g. alania,<br />
a. RaWava, a. afciauri da m. bibiluriZe<br />
periodulad gahyavdaT #10<br />
sasjelaRsrulebis dawesebulebidan<br />
sxvadasxva vadiT da gadaadgildebodnen<br />
piradi sargeblobis<br />
avtomanqanebiT, maT Soris: bebiis,<br />
biZaSvilis samZimarze, maRaziebSi<br />
da sxva, rogorc TbilisSi, ise mis<br />
gareT. dadasturebulia isic, rom<br />
ruseT-saqarTvelos cnobili movlenebis<br />
dros _ 2008 wlis 11 agvistos:<br />
g. alania, al. RaWava, a. afciauri<br />
da m. bibiluriZe gayvanil iqnen<br />
sasjelaRsrulebis dawesebulebidan<br />
saqarTvelos prezidentis<br />
mier Sewyalebis ganzraxviT,<br />
Tumca d. axalaia iZulebuli gaxda,<br />
25 agvistos isini ukanve daebrunebuna,<br />
vinaidan prezidentis<br />
Sewyaleba droebiT gadaido. mogvianebiT,<br />
2008 wlis 24 noembers:<br />
g. alania, a. RaWava, a. afciauri da<br />
m. bibiluriZe marTlac Seiwyala<br />
saqarTvelos prezidentma.<br />
2014 wlis 20 oqtombers girgvlianis<br />
saqmeze vano merabiSvils 3-<br />
wliani patimroba miesaja. aseve mas<br />
Tanamdebobis 2 wliT dakaveba aekrZala;<br />
oleg melnikovs _ miesaja<br />
patimroba 3 wliT da 6 TviT da er-<br />
Ti wliT CamoerTva Tanamdebobaze<br />
yofnis ufleba. oleg melnikovi<br />
ganaxlebuli samarTalwarmoebis<br />
farglebSi moyva, Tu rogor<br />
daavala kudis yofil ufros daTa<br />
axalaias Ss yofili ministris meuRlem<br />
Tako salayaiam sandro girgvlianis<br />
moSoreba, radganac is<br />
TiTqosda awuxebda mis Tanmxleb<br />
gogonas. melnikovma aseve ganacxada,<br />
rom sandro girgvlianis mkvlelobis<br />
ambis Semdeg manqaniT<br />
gadaadgildeboda daTa axalaiasTan<br />
da sxva pirebTan erTad, rodesac<br />
manqana jer mivida generalur<br />
prokuraturaSi, Semdeg ki prezidentis<br />
rezidenciaSi Savnabadaze.<br />
melnikovis TqmiT, igi manqanaSi imyofeboda,<br />
Tumca mas aqvs informacia,<br />
rom daTa axalaia generalur<br />
prokuraturaSi Sexvda zurab<br />
adeiSvils, xolo rezidenciaSi „<br />
mixeil saakaSvils. am dros maT SeimuSaves<br />
gegma, rom simbolurad<br />
unda daekavebinaT Sss-s oTxi TanamSromeli,<br />
romlebsac maleve gaa-<br />
Tavisuflebdnen, raTa amiT sazogadoebis<br />
protesti gaeneitralebinaT.<br />
melnikovis TqmiT, mas daTa axalaiam<br />
winaswar dawerili Cveneba<br />
gadasca, romelsac xeli moawera<br />
da daadastura sasamarTloze. misive<br />
gancxadebiT, imis miuxedavad,<br />
rom ar muSaobda, plastikur baraTze<br />
anazRaureba ericxeboda.<br />
gagrZeleba meeqvse gv.<br />
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mexuTe gverdidan<br />
rac Seexeba baCo axalaias, igi sandro<br />
girgvlianis mkvlelobis<br />
saqmeze msjavrdebuli Sss-s oTxi<br />
yofili TanamSromlisTvis sasjelis<br />
moxdisas gansakuTrebuli privilegiebis<br />
Seqmnis gamo sasamarTlom<br />
samsaxurebrivi uflebamosilebis<br />
borotad gamoyenebaSi cno<br />
damnaSaved 2014 wlis 22 oqtombers<br />
da am epizodSi 4,5 weli miesaja. rac<br />
Seexeba daTa axalaias, 2018 wlis 29<br />
oqtombers mas sandro girgvlianis<br />
saqmeze 7 wliT da 6 TviT Tavisuflebis<br />
aRkveTa miusajes.<br />
axali gamoZiebis farglebSi<br />
gamoikveTa, rom daTa axalaiam, vano<br />
merabiSvilTan erTad, sandro<br />
girgvlianis mimarT Cadenili danaSaulis<br />
gamoZieba imgvarad dagegma<br />
da warmarTa, rom Cadenili danaSaulisTvis<br />
pasuxismgebloba unda<br />
dakisrebodaT mxolod kudis<br />
saSualo da dabali rangis moxeleebs,<br />
maT miecemodaT saTanado<br />
gasamrjelo, xolo daTa axalaia<br />
da sxvebi ukanonod acilebul iqnebodnen<br />
pasuxismgeblobisgan. danaSaulis<br />
gaxsnis yalbi molodinis<br />
gaCenisa da sazogadoebis SecdomaSi<br />
Seyvanis mizniT, 2006 wlis 6<br />
marts, sajarod gacxadda, TiTqos<br />
daTa axalaias uSualo ZalisxmeviT<br />
gamovlindnen sandro girgvlianis<br />
mimarT Cadenil danaSaul-<br />
Si monawile pirebi. Tbilisis saqalaqo<br />
sasamarTlom daviT axalaia<br />
girgvliani-buxaiZis epizodebze<br />
damnaSaved cno _ mas bralad edeboda<br />
samsaxurebrivi uflebamosilebis<br />
borotad gamoyeneba, ramac<br />
fizikuri piris uflebis, sazogadoebisa<br />
da saxelmwifos kanonieri<br />
interesebis arsebiTi darRveva gamoiwvia,<br />
Cadenili ZaladobiT da<br />
dazaralebulis piradi Rirsebis<br />
SeuracxyofiT, Tavisuflebis ukanono<br />
aRkveTis organizeba, Cadenili<br />
winaswari SeTanxmebiT jgufis<br />
mier, ori piris mimarT, sxva<br />
danaSaulis Cadenis gaadvilebis<br />
mizniT, janmrTelobisTvis saSiSi<br />
ZaladobiT da aseTi ZaladobiT,<br />
samsaxurebrivi uflebamosilebis<br />
borotad gamoyeneba da samsaxurebrivi<br />
siyalbe, aseve moxelis mier<br />
yalbi cnobis Setana oficialur<br />
dokumentSi, piradi motiviT. is<br />
saqarTveloSi ar imyofeba.<br />
rac Seexeba yofil prezidents,<br />
2018 wlis 5 ianvars Tbilisis saqalaqo<br />
sasamarTlom mixeil saakaSvili<br />
samsaxurebrivi uflebamosilebis<br />
borotad gamoyenebaSi<br />
damnaSaved cno, rac sandro girgvlianis<br />
mkvlelobisTvis msjavrdebuli<br />
Sss-s TanamSromlebis SewyalebiT<br />
gamoixata. mas sami wlis<br />
vadiT Tavisuflebis aRkveTa miesaja,<br />
sajaro samsaxurSi muSaoba ki<br />
_ erTi wlisa da eqvsi Tvis vadiT<br />
aekrZala. braldebis mixedviT, mkvlelobidan<br />
ramdenime kviraSi prezidenti<br />
saakaSvili daTa axalaias<br />
dahpirda, rom Seiwyalebda kudis<br />
im TanamSromlebs, romlebic da-<br />
Tanxmdebodnen girgvlianis mkvlelobisTvis<br />
pasuxismgeblobis<br />
sakuTar Tavze aRebas da ar gaTqvamdnen<br />
danaSaulis SemkveTebsa da<br />
uSualo monawile sxva maRali Tanamdebobis<br />
pirebs.<br />
_ daviT, levan murusiZe ambobs,<br />
rom man `sandro girgv-<br />
lianis~ saqmeze xarvezebi dainaxa<br />
da aRiarebs, rom mokluli axalgazrdis<br />
ojaxis uflebebi irRve-<br />
oda, Tumca miiCnevs, rom kanoniT<br />
erTaderTi swori gadawyvetileba<br />
miiRo da arsebuli kanonmde-<br />
blobis farglebSi mosamarTles<br />
sxva gadawyvetilebis miReba ar<br />
SeeZlo. rogor afasebT mis am<br />
gancxadebas? risi gakeTeba SeeZ-<br />
lo da ra ar gaakeTa murusiZem?<br />
_ pirvel rigSi, unda vTqvaT am<br />
danaSaulis xasiaTze _ danaSaul-<br />
Si vgulisxmob ara mxolod sandro<br />
girgvlianis mkvlelobis faqts,<br />
aramed SemdgomSi saxelmwifos reaqcias,<br />
rac am saqmis miCqmalvasTan<br />
mimarTebiT gaakeTa. es iyo calsaxad<br />
sistemuri danaSauli, romel-<br />
Sic monawileobda xelisuflebis<br />
yvela Sto da romelSic CarTuli<br />
iyo, faqtobrivad, yvela maRali<br />
Tanamdebobis mqone piri. ra Tqma<br />
unda, murusiZe ar iyo erTaderTi<br />
mosamarTle am saqmeSi, radgan pirvel<br />
instanciaSi sxva mosamarTle<br />
gaxldaT, apelaciaSi _ sxva da uzenaes<br />
sasamarTloSi, murusiZis garda,<br />
kidev ori adamiani iyo, romelic<br />
miRebul ganaCens xels awerda.<br />
problema murusiZesTan mimarTebiT<br />
aris Semdegi: is cdilobs,<br />
sakuTari Tavis pozicionireba moaxdinos,<br />
rogorc sasamarTlos lideris<br />
da sazogadoebas esaubros<br />
sasamarTlos damoukideblobaze,<br />
miukerZoeblobasa da a. S. amitom<br />
aucilebelia, mas mudmivad hqondes<br />
imis gancda, rom is, rogorc<br />
ki am Temebze sajarod daiwyebs<br />
pozicionirebas, yovelTvis Seaxseneben,<br />
rogorc mosamarTles, im<br />
problemur ganaCenebs, romelzedac<br />
xeli moawera.<br />
2006 wlis 2 Tebervals, sandros<br />
gardacvalebidan ramdenime dReSi,<br />
Sinagan saqmeTa saministrom ukve<br />
icoda, rom Sinagan saqmeTa saministros<br />
TanamSromlebi da ministris<br />
meuRle gareuli iyvnen am<br />
saqmeSi. gamoZieba mimdinareobda<br />
2006 wlis 26 iavnridan _ 5 martamde<br />
periodSi. amitom yvela is saproceso<br />
moqmedeba, romelic, Tavis<br />
droze, Sinagan saqmeTa saministrom<br />
ganaxorciela, ar Seesabameboda<br />
sicocxlis uflebis pativiscemas<br />
da prokuraturis nawilSi,<br />
rac Tqva strasburgis sasamarTlom<br />
_ sagamoZiebo organoebis mudmivi<br />
uari, dazaralebuls mieRo<br />
`xelisufleba naRmzea da<br />
`albaT, am dros, sjobs, neitralurma<br />
iuristebma Seafason es imitom, rom arc<br />
TviTon iqneba neitraluri batoni murusiZe,<br />
radgan is mosamarTlea, romelmac ganaCens<br />
moawera xeli da arc me viqnebi neitraluri,<br />
radgan es saqme me mtkiva~<br />
`xelisuflebis midgoma, maT Soris, "girgvlianis<br />
saqmis" mimarT, xom xedavT, rogoria?! es saqme<br />
politikuri interesebisTvis gamoiyena, Torem<br />
realurad Sardenis quCaze ra moxda, es vinmem<br />
bolomde icis?! ~<br />
monawileoba sagamoZiebo moqmedebebSi,<br />
buxaiZis dakiTxvisas sityvebis<br />
perifrazireba gamomZieblebis<br />
mier, buxaiZis mier melnikovis<br />
amocnobis ugulebelyofa, satelefono<br />
saubrebisa da kerZod im<br />
nomris avtoris vinaobis daudgenloba,<br />
romlebTanac oTxive msajavrdebuls<br />
kavSiri hqonda danaSaulis<br />
Rames, prokuraturam ar daadgina<br />
Wrilobis miyenebasTan dakav-<br />
Sirebuli garemoebebi. garda amisa,<br />
prokuraturam ar uzrunvelyo<br />
girgvlianis saqmeze oTxive braldebulis<br />
cal-calke saknebSi mo-<br />
Tavseba, ramac bunebrivia, maT SesaZlebloba<br />
misca, erTmaneTis dacviTi<br />
poziciebi SeeTanxmebinaT.<br />
yvelaze mTavari organo ki, romelsac<br />
unda ganexorcielebina aRmasrulebel<br />
xelisuflebaze kontroli,<br />
es rgoli, ra Tqma unda,<br />
iyo sasamarTlo. samive instancia-<br />
Si sasamarTlo kontroli ar iyo<br />
efeqtiani da am daskvnamde misasvlelad<br />
evropuli sasamarTlo daeyrdno<br />
ramdenime Zalian mniSvnelovan<br />
garemoebas, romelic am saqme-<br />
Si ikveTeboda. sasamarTlom mTavar<br />
naklad miiCnia saqmis ganxilvis<br />
etapebze Sida sasamarTloebis<br />
sistematuri uari, miecaT ganmcxadeblisTvis<br />
sakmarisi dro da saSualebebi<br />
saqmis masalebis Sesaswavlad,<br />
riTac qalbaton irina enuqiZesa<br />
da advokats waerTvaT Sesa-<br />
Zlebloba, jerovnad moemzadebinaT<br />
TavianTi pozicia sasamarTloSi<br />
gamosasvlelad da efeqtianad<br />
mieRoT monawileoba proces-<br />
Si. aseTi rTuli sisxlis samarTlis<br />
saqmis ganxilva pirveli instanciis<br />
sasamarTloSi mxolod<br />
cxra dRis ganmavlobaSi mimdinareobda<br />
da swored es garemoeba aRmoCnda<br />
gansakuTrebiT SemaSfoTebeli<br />
evropuli sasamarTlosTvis.<br />
strasburgis sasamarTlo ar akonkretebs,<br />
romel sasamarTlosTan<br />
mimarTebiT, radgan samive instanciasTan<br />
iyo es problema da es<br />
aris murusiZesTan dakavSirebuli<br />
problema. momCivans ar mieca Sesa-<br />
Zlebloba, 14 mtkicebulebas gascnoboda,<br />
romelic saqmis xerxemals<br />
warmoadgenda. es mtkicebulebebi<br />
originalis saxiT sasamarTlos<br />
sxdomaze arasodes gamoqveynebula<br />
da arc SejibrebiTobis<br />
pricnipis dacviT gamokvleula.<br />
qarTulma sasamarTloebma jerovnad<br />
ar gamoikvlies es 14 mtkicebuleba.<br />
axla ratom iyo es mtkicebulebebi<br />
aseTi mniSvnelovani?!<br />
_ am 14 mtkicebulebaSi iyo is mtkicebuleba,<br />
romelic ukavSirdeboda<br />
mowmeebis dakiTxvis video-<br />
Canawerebs. aseve im Rames, rodesac<br />
es tragikuli SemTxveva moxda da<br />
sandro megobarTan erTad gaitaces<br />
oqroyanis sasaflaos teritoriis<br />
mimarTulebiT, swored am<br />
gzaze iyo badri patarkaciSvilis<br />
saxli, sadac saTvalTvalo kamera<br />
gaxldaT damontaJebuli, romelic<br />
asaxavda avtomobilebis gadaadgilebas<br />
oqroyanis sasaflaos<br />
mimarTulebiT... gamoZiebam erTsaa-<br />
Tiani monakveTi amoiRo, Tumca<br />
Semdgom aRmoCnda, rom saqmis masalebSi<br />
mxolod e. w. sqrinSotebi<br />
Caido. saerTod aravis da, bunebrivia,<br />
pirvel rigSi, arc qalbaton<br />
irina enuqiZes ar hqonda Sesa-<br />
Zlebloba, uwyveti saxiT enaxa es<br />
Canaweri, Tu ra avtomobilebi da<br />
visi avtomobilebi gadaadgildeboda<br />
oqroyanis sasaflaos mimarTulebiT<br />
da xom ar iyo aRbeWdili<br />
aseve sxva pirebis gadaadgileba,<br />
romlebic formalurad saqme-<br />
Si ar figurirebdnen?..<br />
Zalian mniSvnelovani mtkicebulebebi<br />
ukavSirdeboda mowmeebis<br />
dakiTxvis videomasalas gamoZiebis<br />
etapze da rodesac strasburgis<br />
sasamarTlom ramdenjerme daayena<br />
sakiTxi mtkicebulebis gamoTxovnis<br />
mizniT, saqarTvelos mTavrobam,<br />
rogorc iqna, warmoadgina.<br />
aRmoCnda, rom videoCanawereb-<br />
Si, romelic mowmeebis dakiTxvas<br />
asaxavda, mowmeebi saubroben erTs<br />
da gamomZieblebi axdenen maTi<br />
naTqvamis perifrazerebas oqmebSi.<br />
amdenad oqmebi ar Seesabameboda<br />
srulad mowmeebis mier gancxadebuls.<br />
es gansakuTrebiT mniSvnelovani<br />
iyo buxaiZis dakiTxvasTan<br />
mimarTebiT da im epizodTan kav-<br />
SirSi, romelic exeboda sandro<br />
girgvlianisa da levan buxaiZis mier<br />
Sardenis kafis datovebis epizods...<br />
Tqven iciT, rom gamoZiebis<br />
versiiT, TiTqos, zRurblTan moxda<br />
Selaparakeba Sinagan saqmeTa<br />
saministros TanamSromelsa da<br />
sandro girgvlians Soris da es<br />
iyo swored danaSaulis fabula.<br />
Zalian mniSvnelovania sasamar-<br />
Tlos Sefaseba imasTan dakavSirebiT,<br />
rom Sida sasamarTloebma uari<br />
Tqves, daecvaT da jerovnad<br />
gamoekvliaT yvela es informacia<br />
da sasamarTloebma ugulebelyves<br />
momCivnis gancxadebebi, aseve Sinagan<br />
saqmeTa saministrom da Tbilisis<br />
prokuraturis sagamoZiebo<br />
nawilis gamomZieblebma gaanad-<br />
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gures da gadamales mtkicebulebebi.<br />
SemdgomSi mTeli problema is<br />
gaxldaT, rom SerCeviTad iqna mxolod<br />
sandro girgvlianisa da alanias<br />
satelefono saubris Sesaxeb<br />
informacia Cadebuli saqmeSi. es<br />
iyo is garemoebebi, romelTa safu-<br />
Zvelzec strasburgis sasamarTlom<br />
Tavisi cnobili fraza Tqva:<br />
Sinagan saqmeTa saministro, prokuratura,<br />
sasjelaRsrulebis departamenti,<br />
Sida sasamarTloebi,<br />
saqarTvelos prezidenti (braldebulebis<br />
Sewyalebis gamo) yvela<br />
erTad, xmaSewyobilad moqmedebda<br />
im miznisTvis, rom am Semzaravi<br />
mkvlelobis saqmeze, rogorme ar<br />
ganxorcielebuliyo marTlmsajuleba.<br />
axla Tqvens mTavar SekiTxvas<br />
rom davubrundeT, _ murusiZes ra<br />
unda gakeTebina da ra ar gaakeTa?!<br />
pirvel rigSi, rodesac baton murusiZeze<br />
vsaubrobT, kidev erTxel<br />
minda Zalian xazgasmiT vTqva,<br />
rom Cven vsaubrobT sistemur danaSaulze,<br />
Cven araviTari iluzia ar<br />
gvaqvs imisa, rom am saqmis ase cudad<br />
damTavrebaSi qveynis Sida instanciebSi<br />
brali unda davdoT mxolod<br />
erT konkretul mosamar-<br />
Tles... es iyo sistemuri danaSauli,<br />
romelSic yvelas Tavisi roli<br />
da wvlili hqonda Setanili, maT<br />
Soris, murusiZesac! uzenaesi sasamarTlo<br />
uflebamosili iyo, gaeuqmebina<br />
saapelacio sasamarTlos<br />
ukanono ganaCeni da murusiZes es<br />
saqme xelaxla gansaxilvelad unda<br />
daebrunebina qveda instanciaSi,<br />
formalurad mas amis uflebamosileba<br />
hqonda, radgan cxadi iyo,<br />
rom saapelacio instanciaSi da<br />
pirvel instanciaSic saqme warimarTa<br />
sisxlis saamarTlis saproceso<br />
kanonis arsebiTi darRvevebiT...<br />
saproceso kanonmdebloba maSin ambobda,<br />
rom arsebiTad miiCneoda<br />
kodeqsis moTxovnebis iseTi dar-<br />
Rveva, romelmac SezRuda procesis<br />
monawileTa uflebebi, maT<br />
Soris, roca 14 mtkicebuleba ar<br />
gaacnes, sxvaze rom araferi vTqvaT!<br />
aRniSnul mtkicebulebebs<br />
arc uzenaes sasamarTloSi gascnobian,<br />
rac strasburgma yvelaze<br />
did problemad miiCnia sasamarTloebTan<br />
mimarTebiT, radgan amiT<br />
xeli SeuSales saqmis yovelmxriv<br />
srulad da obieqturad ganxilvas,<br />
gavlena moaxdines kanonieri,<br />
safuZvliani da samarTliani ganaCenis<br />
dadgomaze.<br />
Tuki Cven dResac migvaCnia, rom<br />
qveda instanciebis romelime gadawyvetileba<br />
iyo kanonieri, safuZvliani<br />
da samarTliani, maSin Cven<br />
absoluturad sxvadasxva enaze gamogvdis<br />
saubari. maT Soris, im<br />
gadawyvetilebazec, rac strasburgis<br />
sasamarTlom daadgina. me<br />
movismine da gavecani murusiZis<br />
mosazrebas imasTan dakavSirebiT,<br />
rom vinaidan ar iyo saapelacio<br />
saCivari wardgenili dazaralebulis<br />
uflebamonacvle advokatis<br />
mier, amitom im pirobebSi, rogor-<br />
Sic amovida es saqme uzenaes sasamarTloSi,<br />
faqtobrivad, azri hqonda<br />
dakarguli, misi sityvebiT, _<br />
ganaCenis gauqmebasa da dabrunebas...<br />
albaT, am dros, sjobs, neitralurma<br />
iuristebma Seafason es<br />
imitom, rom arc TviTon iqneba neitraluri<br />
batoni murusiZe, radgan<br />
is mosamarTlea, romelmac ga-<br />
es naRmi aris sasamarTlo...~<br />
naCens moawera xeli da arc me viqnebi<br />
neitraluri, radgan es saqme<br />
me mtkiva.<br />
faqtia, rom mas es uflebamosileba<br />
hqonda, daebrunebia saqme<br />
Tavidan gansaxilvelad... yvelaze<br />
mniSvnelovani problema masTan mimarTebiTac,<br />
rogorc sxva qvemdgom<br />
sasamarTloebSi, aris is, rom<br />
mas unda mieca dazarebuli mxaris-<br />
Tvis minimaluri saproceso uflebebi<br />
da mtkicebulebebis gacnobis<br />
SesaZlebloba _ strasburgis sasamarTlo<br />
erTianobaSi afasebs am<br />
procedurebs, evropul sasamarTlos<br />
ar gamouyvia romelime instanciis<br />
problemuroba mtkicebulebebTan<br />
dakavSirebiT, man Tqva,<br />
rom sasamarTloebma da saxelmwifom<br />
ar uzrunvelyo mtkicebulebebis<br />
gacnoba.<br />
mTeli problema is aris, rom<br />
`rac Seexeba sandros megobar buxaiZes,<br />
gamtaceblebma Zlier nacemi da SiSvel<br />
mdgomareobaSi myofi sasaflaoze datoves,<br />
romelmac uaxloes benzingasamarT sadgurs<br />
miagno, saidanac policias daukavSirda.<br />
Sss gamoZiebis sawyisi etapidanve axdenda<br />
sandro girgvlianis sicocxlisa da<br />
Tavisuflebis xelyofis samarTalwarmoebis<br />
mikerZoebul, arasrulyofil, usamarTlo da<br />
araobieqtur gamoZiebas, rac xorcieldeboda<br />
maSindeli ministrisa da kudis ufrosis, daTa<br />
axalaias xelmZRvanelobiT, aseve adgili<br />
hqonda sasjelis arasaTanado aRsrulebisaTvis<br />
msjavrdebuli pirebisTvis ukanono SeRavaTebis<br />
dawesebas da sasjelisgan maT vadamde<br />
ganTavisuflebas~<br />
irine enuqiZe ise wavida amqveynidan,<br />
araTu imas ver moeswro, rom<br />
samarTals ezeima am saqmeze... irine<br />
enuqiZe ise wavida, man ar icoda,<br />
misi Svilis mkvlelobis saqmeSi ra<br />
mtkicebulebebi iyo da, ra Tqma<br />
unda, es tvirTi da pasuxismgebloba<br />
im mosamarTleebma unda itvir-<br />
Ton, romlebmac ganaCens xeli<br />
moaweres. im dros moqmedi saproceso<br />
kodeqsis 50-e muxli adgenda<br />
Semdegs, rom sasamarTlos saTanado<br />
safuZvlis arsebobis SemTxvevaSi<br />
ufleba hqonda, kerZo dadgenileba<br />
gamoetana, romliTac saxelmwifo<br />
organos, sazogadoebrivi<br />
organizaciis, politikuri gaer-<br />
Tianebisa da Tanamdebobis piris<br />
yuradRebas miiqcevs saqmeze dadgenili<br />
kanonis darRvevis faqtze,<br />
danaSaulis Cadenis mizezebsa da<br />
xelSemwyob pirobebze, romelic<br />
saWiroebs saTanado zomebis miRebas.<br />
ra uSlida mas xels? Tu is<br />
SezRuduli iyo gamoZiebisa da<br />
braldebis farglebSi, kerZo dadgenileba<br />
gamoetana da saTanado<br />
ganCinebiT gaemarTa.<br />
yvelaze mniSvnelovania, Tu Sida<br />
instanciis erovnul mosamarTles<br />
miaCnda, rom mas raime saxis<br />
dabrkolebas uqminda im dros moqmedi<br />
kanoni, mas aseve SeeZlo exelmZRvanela<br />
adamianis uflebaTa<br />
evropuli konvenciiT, rogorc upiratesi,<br />
ufro maRla mdgomi, ufro<br />
maRali iuridiuli Zalis mqone<br />
dokumentiT, imitom rom evropul<br />
konvencias upiratesi Zala aqvs,<br />
vidre igive sisxlis samarTlis<br />
kanonmdeblobas, anu ukidures<br />
SemTxvevaSi, Tu mas miaCnda kanoni,<br />
romelic mas unda gamoeyenebina<br />
adamianis fundamenturi uflebis<br />
da am SemTxvevaSi sicocxlis uflebidan<br />
gamomdinare, obieqtur<br />
gamoZiebas xels SeuSlida, mas See-<br />
Zlo miemarTa sakonstitucio sasamarTlosTvis<br />
kanonis konstituciasTan<br />
Sesabamisobis sakiTxze.<br />
`girgvlianis saqmeze~ qarTul<br />
saxelmwifos saTanado daskvnebi<br />
ar gamoutania, radgan dResac gvaqvs<br />
sxva SemTxvevebi! saxelmwifos<br />
saxeliT moqmedi pirebis mier Sei-<br />
Zleba ara, magaliTad, rac, vTqvaT,<br />
`girgvlianis saqmeSi~ SesaZloa,<br />
sul sxvagvarad iyo, imitom rom<br />
oficialuri policiis specoperacias<br />
ar hqonda adgili. igive, rac<br />
dRes gvaqvs maCalikaSvilis saqmeze,<br />
aseve gvaqvs xoravas quCis saqmesTan<br />
dakavSirebuli problemac,<br />
rodesac arasaTanado gamoZiebis<br />
Catareba vixileT da, savaraudod,<br />
iq ikveTeba swored xelisuflebis<br />
interesebi. es ar aris ubralod<br />
ususurobis, uniaTobis problema,<br />
es aris konkretuli mizani, am saqmeebze<br />
WeSmariteba ar dadges. ase-<br />
Tive mizani amoZravebda wina xelisuflebas<br />
`girgvlianis saqmeze~. am<br />
sakiTxis wamoweva, bunebrivia, politikur<br />
process ukavSirdeba,<br />
romelic arCevnebs ebmis. Tumca es<br />
mxolod am politikuri procesiT<br />
ar Semoifargleba da ufro far-<br />
To politikuri procesis mizezia<br />
amis ukan da getyviT rac: `qarTulma<br />
ocnebam~, winasaarCvno danapirebisgan<br />
gansxvavebiT, ver da rig<br />
SemTxvevebSi ar uzrunvelyo ise-<br />
Ti nabijebis gadadgma, romliTac<br />
saqarTvelos moqalaqe icxovrebda<br />
ufro samarTlian da Tavisufal<br />
garemoSi. Cven varT igive usamarTlobis<br />
morevSi sasamarTlosTan<br />
mimarTebiT, ra morevSic<br />
viyaviT. mxedvelobaSi ar maqvs is,<br />
rom dRes sasamarTlo gacilebiT<br />
loialuria da adamianis uflebebis<br />
darRvevis faqtebi gacilebiT<br />
naklebia. vgulisxmob sasamarTlos<br />
damoukideblobis xarisxs, romelic<br />
iseTive dabalia, rogoric wina<br />
xelisuflebis pirobebSi iyo. dRevandeli<br />
politikuri xelisuflebisTvis<br />
am sasamarTlos marTvis sadaveebTan<br />
mdgar pirebze gadafareba<br />
absoluturad logikuria im<br />
prolitikuri amocanebidan gamomdinare,<br />
romelic maT aqvT, radgan<br />
am xelisuflebas, iseve rogorc<br />
wina xelisuflebas, sWirdeba da<br />
ver ambobs uars politikur mar-<br />
Tlmsajulebaze. araviTari sxva<br />
funqcia im mosamarTleTa klans,<br />
romelic iusticiis umaRles sab-<br />
WoSia, dRes ar gaaCnia, is komfortulad<br />
grZnobs Tavs iq, sadac<br />
aris da amis sanacvlod mzad gaxlavT,<br />
Seasrulos davalebebi,<br />
romelic maRali politikuri mniSvnelobis<br />
mqone saqmeebs ukavSirdeba,<br />
magaliTad, `rusTavi 2-sa~ da<br />
sxv. amitom politikuri xelmZRvaneloba<br />
da xelisufleba sanam ar<br />
gaiTavisebs, am qveynis TiToeuli<br />
moqalaqisTvis da maTTvis ra mniSvneloba<br />
aqvs damoukidebel da miukerZoebel<br />
sasamarTlos, manamde,<br />
samwuxarod, es tandemi iqneba...<br />
_ ra miviReT `girgvlianis saq-<br />
mis~ Semdeg da dRes ra etapzea es<br />
saqme?<br />
_ es saqme ar aris daxuruli<br />
ministrTa komiteteSi, aRsrulebis<br />
etapzea. gamoZieba unda dawyebuliyo<br />
da is, rac wina xelisuflebam<br />
ar gaakeTa, am xelisuflebas<br />
unda gaekeTebina. axla ukve<br />
imasTan mivideT, ra ar gaakeTa am<br />
xelisuflebam?! `girgvlianis saqme~<br />
gamoiyena mxolod politikuri<br />
marTlmsajulebisTvis, mxolod<br />
misi oponentebis dasasjelad. me<br />
ar vambob, rom ar unda daesaja,<br />
arc imas, rom araswori iyo maT mimarT<br />
dawyebuli sisxlis samarTlebrivi<br />
dava... ubralod, es ar iyo<br />
srulyofili, amomwuravi da imaze<br />
orientirebuli, rom yvela is adamiani<br />
dasjiliyo, pirvel rigSi,<br />
gamoZieblebi, prokurorebi, mosamarTleebi,<br />
romlebmac sakuTari<br />
xelmoweriT daadastures is ukanonoba,<br />
rac am saqmesTan dakavSirebiT<br />
politikur xelmZRvanelobas<br />
hqonda dakveTis saxiT miRebuli.<br />
es adamianebi dRes Tavisuflebi<br />
arian yovelgvari pasuxismgeblobisgan...<br />
vin vixileT am saqmeze<br />
braldebulis skamze?! _ baCo axalaia,<br />
daTa axalaia, vano merabiSvili,<br />
oleg melnikovi... magram Cven<br />
ar gvixilavs da qarTul sasamarTlos<br />
ar Seufasebia im adamianTa<br />
qmedeba, romlebmac gaayalbes<br />
oqmebi da vinc ayalbebda sisxlis<br />
samarTlis saqmeebs, vinc ukanono<br />
ganaCenebze awerda xels. amitom xelisuflebis<br />
midgoma, maT Soris,<br />
`girgvlianis saqmis~ mimarT, xom<br />
xedavT, rogoria?! es saqme politikuri<br />
interesebisTvis gamoiyena,<br />
Torem realurad Sardenis quCaze<br />
ra moxda, es vinmem bolomde icis?!<br />
dResac gamoZiebis qveS aris oqroyanis<br />
epizodi da ar aris gamoZiebuli.<br />
mTeli problemac es gaxlavT,<br />
_ xelisufleba marTlmsajulebas<br />
mxolod misi politikuri<br />
interesisTvis iyenebs.<br />
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jer yuradRebiT wavikiTxoT,<br />
pankisis xeobis mosaxleobasTan dapirispirebamde, ra gancxa-<br />
deba gaavrcela mSenebelma kompania `alazani enerjim~:<br />
`aRniSnuli proeqtis warmatebiT ganxorcielebis Semdeg<br />
kompania gegmavs `samyurawyali-2 hesis~ mSeneblobasac. es ukanaskneli<br />
30 TveSi unda dasruldes. hesebi, romelTa mSeneblobac<br />
pankisis xeobaSia dagegmili, e. w. mcire energetikas ganekuTvneba<br />
da maTi gavlena garemoze minimaluria. orive proeq-<br />
tis jamuri investicia 40 milion aSS dolarze metia, xolo<br />
orive hesi jamurad gamoimuSavebs 160 mln kvt/sT eleqtroenergias,<br />
rac Zalian didi kontribuciaa adgilobriv ekonomi-<br />
kaSi. amasTan erTad, mSeneblobis mTeli periodis ganmavloba-<br />
Si, sxva specialistebTan erTad, dasaqmebuli iqneba aranak-<br />
leb 100 adgilobrivi mosaxlec.<br />
uaxloes periodSi hidroeleqtrosadgurebis<br />
mSenebeli kompaniebi<br />
urTierTTanamSromlobis memorandums<br />
gaaformeben adgilobriv<br />
mosaxleobasTan.<br />
memorandumis proeqtis Tanaxmad,<br />
xeobisa da hesis mimdebared,<br />
ganlagebuli dasaxlebebis sasargeblod,<br />
socialuri proeqtebi<br />
ganxorcieldeba. kerZod, pankisis<br />
xeoba miiRebs ganaxlebul sagzao<br />
da energetikul infrastruqturas.<br />
kompania `feri~ aseve iRebs<br />
valdebulebas, gadaitanos arsebuli<br />
110-kilovoltiani eleqtrogadamcemi<br />
xazi _ birkiani (hesis Senobidan)<br />
duisis monakveTze. aRniSnuli<br />
xazebis gadatanis gamo moWrili<br />
garkveuli raodenobis xe-tye<br />
usasyidlod gadaecema xeobis adgilobriv<br />
mosaxleobas. kompania,<br />
saxelmwifosTan erTad, moawesrigebs<br />
omalo-dumasturis sasmeli<br />
wylis sistemas. Zibaxevisa da birkianis<br />
mosaxleobas specialurad<br />
Seqmnil fondSi Seutans moxmarebuli<br />
denis adekvatur Rirebulebas<br />
(2018 wlis moxmarebis Sesabamisad).<br />
Zibaxevi-birkianis teritoriaze,<br />
alaznis mimdebared, moawyobs<br />
martiv, usafrTxo sabanao adgils.<br />
xeobaSi mcxovrebi mosaxleoba<br />
SeuzRudavad gamoayenebinebs<br />
kompaniis sakuTrebaSi arsebul miwebs<br />
(saTave nagebobebis, hesis Senobebisa<br />
da milsadenis Tavze sa-<br />
Txreli samuSao adgilebis garda).<br />
im SemTxvevaSi, Tu hesis mier<br />
moxmarebuli wylis gamo sofel<br />
birkians wylis problema Seeqmneba,<br />
kompania dauyovnebliv aRmofxvris<br />
am sakiTxs. aseve garemontdeba<br />
sofel duisis sasmeli wylis<br />
rezervuari. mTavroba adgilobrivi<br />
mosaxleobis moTxovniT aa-<br />
Senebs birkiani-omalos damakavSirebel<br />
saavtomobilo xids. amasTan<br />
erTad, kompania, yovelwliurad,<br />
axlad Seqmnil pankisis xeobis fondSi<br />
Seitans 120 aTas lars. adgilobriv<br />
biujetSi yovelwliurad<br />
gadairicxeba erT milion larze<br />
meti, romelic isev regionis ganviTarebasa<br />
da mosaxleobis keTildReobas<br />
moxmardeba. aRsaniSnavia,<br />
rom `feris~ kargad icnoben axmetaSi.<br />
pankisis xeobaSi kompanias ukve<br />
aqvs ganxorcielebuli energetikuli<br />
proeqtebi, romelsac axmetis<br />
municipalur biujetSi mniSvnelovani<br />
Semosavali Seaqvs da<br />
xeobis erT-erTi msxvili damsaqmebelia.<br />
kompaniam ramdenime aTeuli<br />
adgilobrivi mcxovrebic gadaamzada,<br />
romelic amJamad saqarTvelos<br />
regionebSi mdebare `feris~<br />
sxva proeqtebSia dasaqmebuli~.<br />
garda aq moWril xe-tyeze, sasmeli<br />
wylis problemebsa da a. S.,<br />
sainteresoa, saidan Semodis es<br />
milionebi? vinme dafiqrebula, vin<br />
da ra fuli dgas am kompaniebis<br />
ukan? magaliTad, ruseTis saxelmwifo<br />
proeqtze. ratom arsad gaJRerebula<br />
is faqti, rom mSenebeli<br />
kompaniis umsxvilesi mewile ruse-<br />
Tis moqalaqea da arc ise didi xnis<br />
win, lamis, yoveldRe ijda fsb-s<br />
ofisSi _ dakiTxvebze.<br />
aq mxolod faqtebs moviyvanT _<br />
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mets arafers! Sefasebisganac ki<br />
Tavs SevikavebT.<br />
hidroeleqtrosadgur `xadori<br />
3-s~ kompania `alazani enerji~ da<br />
`feri~ aSenebs. `alazani enerji~<br />
2016 wels Camoyalibda da misi mesakuTre<br />
da direqtoric laSa iordaniSvilia.<br />
vin aris laSa iordaniSvili,<br />
qvemoT mogaxsenebT.<br />
Sps `feri~ _<br />
ruseTidan marTuli<br />
qarTuli monopolisti?!<br />
Sps `feri~ 1991 wels dafuZnda.<br />
1996 wlis agvistoSi, samewarmeo<br />
reestrSi registraciis droisTvis,<br />
`feris~ hyavda 11 damfuZnebeli.<br />
yvela damfuZnebeli, erTis<br />
garda, kompaniaSi mcire wils<br />
flobda (1-5%); wilebis did nawils<br />
ki _ 64 %-s _ flobda ioseb<br />
mWedliSvili. igi iyo aseve kompaniis<br />
direqtori. damfuZnebelTa<br />
wilebSi cvlileba 1998 wlidan<br />
daiwyo: 1998-2007 wlebSi kompaniis<br />
oTxma mewilem Tavisi wili ioseb<br />
mWedliSvilis sasargeblod daTmo.<br />
2012-2013 wlebSi ki ioseb mWedliSvilma<br />
miiRo kidev xuTi damfu-<br />
Zneblis wili, ris Semdegac mWedliSvili<br />
kompaniis udidesi wilis<br />
mflobeli gaxda 96%-iT. 4%-s kaxa<br />
SevardnaZe flobda. ioseb mWedliSvils<br />
amJamad kompaniis generaluri<br />
direqtoris Tanamdeboba<br />
ukavia. kompanias aseve hyavs direqtori<br />
(mTavari menejeri), es Tanamdeboba<br />
2005 wlidan ukavia merab<br />
iordaniSvils.<br />
masStaburi kvleva miuZRvna am<br />
sakiTxs `mwvane alternativam~ da<br />
uprecedento angariSic warmoadgina.<br />
1996 wels kompaniis sawesdebo<br />
kapitali Seadgenda 1 000 aSS dolars,<br />
2004 wels is gaizarda 400<br />
aTas laramde da 2005 wels Semcirda<br />
2 aTas laramde. 2013 wlis 29<br />
oqtombris mdgomareobiT, kompania<br />
`TBC bankis~ movalea: mas dagiravebuli<br />
aqvs gvirabgamyvani teqnika,<br />
pankisSi hess<br />
rusi biznesmeni<br />
aSenebs,romelic<br />
fsb-s `muSkaze~<br />
hyavs ayvanili<br />
`2011 wlis oqtomberSi kompaniam<br />
direqtoric Secvala; am droidan, 2013<br />
wlis CaTvliT, laSa iordaniSvilis<br />
nacvlad, kompaniis direqtorad zurab<br />
alaviZe dainiSna. zurab alaviZe giorgi<br />
kvirikaSvilis kurseli gaxldaT. 2015<br />
wels, kvirikaSvilis gapremierebis Semdeg,<br />
igi jer saqarTvelos mTavrobis<br />
administraciaSi strategiuli proeqtebis<br />
koordinaciis departamentis ufrosi<br />
xdeba, Semdeg ki, 2016 wlis 29 noembridan,<br />
saqarTvelos regionuli ganviTarebisa da<br />
infrastruqturis ministri~<br />
kompaniis 30%-iani wili Sps `energiaSi~<br />
(dagiravebulia aseve Sps `energiis~<br />
meore mflobelis, mevlud<br />
bliaZis 70%-iani wili), aseve Sps<br />
`energiis~ arsebuli da samomavlo<br />
aramaterialuri qonebrivi sikeTe.<br />
`feris~ `TBC bankTan~ aseve dadebuli<br />
aqvs salizingo xelSekrulebebi<br />
(2011, 2012) moZrav qonebaze.<br />
2012 wlis maisSi biznesdajildoeba<br />
`merkuri 2012-ze~ kompania `ferim~<br />
erT-erT nominaciaSi gaimarjva<br />
_ is wlis saukeTeso biznesad<br />
aRiares; kompanias jildo Tavad<br />
saqarTvelos prezidentma _ mixeil<br />
saakaSvilma gadasca. sainteresoa,<br />
rom wlis saukeTeso biznesad<br />
aRiarebidan erTi Tvis Semdeg,<br />
2012 wlis ivnisSi, ganmuxurSi ubeduri<br />
SemTxveva moxda, sadac sam-<br />
Seneblo samuSaoebs kompania<br />
`feri~ awarmoebda. anaklia-ganmuxuris<br />
centraluri wyalgayvanilobis<br />
montaJis dros CamoSlilma<br />
miwam muSa imsxverpla. momxdar<br />
faqts muSebi daCqarebul samuSaoebs<br />
ukavSireben (am informaciis<br />
damadasturebel videowyaros<br />
`qronika+~ flobs, _ red.). SemTxvevis<br />
gamoZiebis Sedegebi ar gaxmaurebula.<br />
Sps `feris~ wilis mflobelia<br />
aseve Sps `energia~, romelic 2010<br />
wlis seqtemberSi dafuZnda. kompaniaSi<br />
Sps `feris~ (direqtori merab<br />
iordaniSvili) wili 30%-s Seadgens;<br />
danarCen 70%-s ki mevlud<br />
bliaZe flobs. kompaniis direqtoria<br />
gaioz ugreliZe. kompania registrirebulia<br />
(iuridiuli misamarTi)<br />
Sps `peris~ (mflobeli da<br />
direqtori laSa iordaniSvili)<br />
kuTvnil farTze. dafuZnebisas<br />
kompaniis sawesdebo kapitali Seadgenda<br />
ori aTas lars. kompanias<br />
`TBC bankSi~ dagiravebuli aqvs<br />
orive mflobelis wilebi (Sps<br />
`feris~ 30% da mevlud<br />
bliaZis 70%), aseve Sps `energiis~<br />
arsebuli da samomavlo aramaterialuri<br />
qonebrivi sikeTe.<br />
reestridan amoRebuli giravnobis<br />
xelSekrulebidan irkveva,<br />
rom bankSi 30 milion aSS dolarad<br />
dagiravebulia Sps `energiis~<br />
mier `momavalSi SeZeneli an mis-<br />
Tvis momavalSi gadacemuli `larsis<br />
hidroeleqtrosadguris~ yvela<br />
da nebismieri danadgari, maT<br />
Soris, saderivacio-sadawneo milsadeni<br />
da agregatebi; yvela da nebismieri<br />
samomavlod SesaZeni moZravi<br />
qoneba da aramaterialuri<br />
qonebrivi sikeTe; nebismieri moZravi<br />
qoneba, romelzedac sakuTrebis<br />
ufleba damgiravebels warmoe-<br />
Soba am xelSekrulebaze xelmoweris<br />
Semdeg, maT Soris, sakuTrebaSi<br />
gadacemuli 19 mgvt. `larsis<br />
hidroeleqtrosadguris~ yvela da<br />
nebismieri danadgari, agreTve saderivacio-sadawneo<br />
milsadeni da<br />
agregatebi.<br />
reestridan aseve irkveva, rom<br />
kompanias 2011 wels ss bank `respublikasTan~<br />
dadebuli hqonda sakredito<br />
valdebulebis depozitiT<br />
uzrunvelyofis Sesaxeb xelSekruleba.<br />
xelSekrulebis sagania<br />
depozitze arsebuli Tanxidan<br />
damgiraveblis moTxovnis ufleba<br />
1 200 000 aSS dolaris odenobiT.<br />
Sps `energia~ yazbegis raionSi,<br />
darialis xeobaSi, 19 mgvt simZlavris<br />
larsis hidroeleqtrosadgurs<br />
aSenebda. proeqti xorcieldeboda<br />
saqarTvelos mTavrobas,<br />
Sps eleqtroenergetikuli sistemis<br />
komerciul operatorsa (esko)<br />
da Sps `energias~ Soris 2011 wlis<br />
17 maiss `larsi hesis~ mSeneblobis,<br />
operirebisa da flobis Sesaxeb<br />
dadebuli urTierTgagebis memorandumis<br />
safuZvelze.<br />
2012 wlis ivlisSi Sps `energiam~<br />
kidev erTi hesis mSeneblobis, operirebisa<br />
da flobis Sesaxeb dado<br />
8 N14 (<strong>275</strong>) 23.04-06.05.2019 w.
saqarTvelos mTavrobasTan urTierTgagebis<br />
memorandumi. es aris<br />
5 mgvt simZlavris `Sildis hesi~<br />
yvarlis municipalitetSi, mdinare<br />
CelTize. rogorc proeqtis dokumentaciidan<br />
irkveva, proeqts Tavdapirvelad<br />
axorcielebda ss<br />
`GGEDC~-i. es aris Sps `saqar-<br />
Tvelos navTobisa da gazis korporaciis~<br />
mier dafuZnebuli kompania<br />
(korporaciis 100%-iani mflobelobiT),<br />
uSualod hesis proeqtirebas<br />
da mSeneblobas ki awarmoebda<br />
Sps `feri~. memorandumis safuZvelze,<br />
2012 wlis ivlisSi, ss<br />
`GGEDC~-is mier dawyebuli proeqtis<br />
ganxorcieleba Sps `energiam~<br />
gaagrZela. 2012 wlis seqtemberSi,<br />
proeqtis saWiroebisTvis, Sps `energias~,<br />
saqarTvelos prezidentis<br />
gankargulebiT, sakuTrebaSi gadaeca<br />
garkveuli miwis nakveTebi, saguramo-wiTeli<br />
xidis 972 metri sigrZis<br />
magistraluri gazsadeni,<br />
aseve usasyidlo aRnagobis formiT,<br />
99 wlis vadiT _ mdinare Cel-<br />
Tis kalapotis miwebi. 2012 wlis<br />
seqtemberSive Sildis hesi eqspluataciaSi<br />
Sevida.<br />
Sps `dariali enerji~ dafuZnda<br />
2010 wlis dekemberSi. mas ori damfuZnebeli<br />
partniori hyavda: aSS-<br />
Si registrirebuli `robins kompani~<br />
(The Robbins Company) _ 30%-<br />
iani wiliT da Sps `feri~ _ 70%-<br />
iani wiliT. Sps `dariali enerji~,<br />
iseve rogorc Sps `energia~ registrirebul<br />
iqna (iuridiuli misamarTi)<br />
Sps `feris~ (mflobeli da<br />
direqtori laSa iordaniSvili)<br />
kuTvnil farTze. aqve davZenT,<br />
rom kompaniis saqmianobis mimarTulebad<br />
ganisazRvra yazbegis<br />
municipalitetSi. `dariali hesis~<br />
proeqtis ganviTarebisTvis 2011<br />
wlis 19 maiss saqarTvelos mTavrobas,<br />
Sps `dariali enerjis~, Sps<br />
`energotranssa~ da Sps `eleqtroenergetikuli<br />
sistemis komerciul<br />
operators~ Soris daido xelSekruleba<br />
109 mgvt simZlavris darialis<br />
hesis mSeneblobisa da flobis<br />
Sesaxeb. 2011 wlis seqtemberSi<br />
kompaniam saaqcio sazogadoebad<br />
reorganizacia gadawyvita da, sul<br />
male, is 33 333 333 aSS dolaramde<br />
gaizarda. aqciebis 70%-is mesaku-<br />
Tre kvlav Sps `feri~ iyo, 30%-is<br />
ki _ `robins kompania~. 2011 wlis<br />
seqtemberSive kompaniis wilebi xelaxla<br />
gadanawilda _ kompanias<br />
gauCnda axali aqcioneri ss `saqarTvelos<br />
energetikis ganviTarebis<br />
fondis~ (JSC Georgian Energy Development<br />
Fund, GEDF) saxiT, romelmac<br />
10 mln aSS dolarad iyida kompaniis<br />
saaqcio kapitalis 30%. am<br />
cvlilebis Sedegad Sps `feris~<br />
wili saaqcio kapitalSi 40%-mde<br />
Semcirda, xolo `robins kompanis~<br />
igive darCa _ 30%. 2011 wlis oqtomberSi<br />
kompaniam direqtoric<br />
Secvala; am droidan, 2013 wlis Ca-<br />
TvliT, laSa iordaniSvilis nacvlad,<br />
kompaniis direqtorad zurab<br />
alaviZe dainiSna. zurab alaviZe<br />
giorgi kvirikaSvilis kurseli gaxldaT.<br />
2015 wels, kvirikaSvilis<br />
gapremierebis Semdeg, igi jer saqarTvelos<br />
mTavrobis administraciaSi<br />
strategiuli proeqtebis<br />
koordinaciis departamentis ufrosi<br />
xdeba, Semdeg ki, 2016 wlis 29<br />
noembridan, saqarTvelos regionuli<br />
ganviTarebisa da infrastruqturis<br />
ministri.<br />
davubrundeT preistorias: 2013<br />
wlis agvistoSi ss `dariali enerjim~<br />
ganacxada, rom finansuri<br />
problemebis gamo safrTxis qveS<br />
dgeba proeqtis ganviTareba da<br />
proeqtis dasrulebam, SesaZloa,<br />
gaurkveveli vadiT gadaiwios. 2013<br />
wlis 14 agvistos saqarTvelos energetikis<br />
ministr kaxa kalaZisTvis<br />
miweril werilSi kompania arsebuli<br />
viTarebidan erTaderT gamosavlad<br />
ministrs Semdegs sTavazobs:<br />
`proeqtis dasrulebisTvis<br />
aucilebelia sabanko dafinanseba,<br />
rasTan dakavSirebiTac kompania<br />
didi xnis manZilze awarmoebs samuSaoebs<br />
qarTul da saerTaSoriso<br />
finansur institutebTan. sesxis<br />
damtkicebis winapirobad bankebi<br />
iTxoven, rom kompaniam moizidos<br />
damatebiTi kapitali 20 milioni<br />
aSS dolaris odenobiT. ss `dariali<br />
enerjim~ moiZia Sesabamisi resursi<br />
_ Sps `enegia~ mzad aris ganaxorcielos<br />
Senatani kompaniis<br />
kapitalSi 10 mlioni aSS dolaris<br />
saxiT da gamouyos kompanias aqcionerTa<br />
sesxis saxiT damatebiTi<br />
10 milioni aSS dolari, romlis<br />
saprocento ganakveTi ganisazRvreba<br />
wliuri 10%-iT. sanacvlod<br />
Sps `energia~ iTxovs, rom kompanias<br />
hqondes `saqarTvelos energetikis<br />
ganviTarebis fondis~ (SemdgomSi<br />
GEDF) sakuTrebaSi arsebuli aqciebis<br />
yidvis ofcia hidroeleqtrosadguris<br />
eqspluataciaSi gaSvebis<br />
Semdgom 15 milion aSS dolarad.<br />
sxva gza ss `dariali enerjis~ mier<br />
damatebiTi 20 milioni aSS dolaris<br />
mopovebisa, am etapze, ar arsebobs~.<br />
weriliT ss `dariali enerji~<br />
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`2010 wels saqarTveloSi dafuZnebuli kompania<br />
Sps "energiis" sakuTrebaSia "dariali hesi",<br />
"larsi hesi" da "Silda hesi". "energiis" 70%<br />
ruseTis moqalaqe mevlud bliaZes ekuTvnis, 30%<br />
ki Sps "feris" mflobelobaSia. statistikis<br />
erovnuli samsaxuris mier mowodebuli<br />
informaciiT, mevlud bliaZis investicia 2011<br />
wels ruseTidan ganxorcielebul yvelaze<br />
msxvil investiciebs Soris moxvda. mevlud<br />
bliaZe ruseTSi flobs kompania "pilons",<br />
romelic xidebis mSeneblobasa da<br />
rekonstruqcias axorcielebs. mas miniWebuli<br />
aqvs "ruseTis damsaxurebuli mSeneblis" wodeba.~<br />
iTxovs Tanxmobas, rom GEDF-ma<br />
moaweros xeli dokuments, romelic<br />
iTvaliswinebs ss `dariali enerjis~<br />
kapitalis gazrdas da sesxis<br />
aRebas. 2013 wlis pirvel oqtombers<br />
saqarTvelos mTavrobam<br />
daakmayofila kompaniis zemoT aRwerili<br />
moTxovna _ gamoica mTavrobis<br />
gankarguleba, romliTac<br />
mowonebul iqna aqciebis ganTavsebisa<br />
da aqcionerTa xelSekrulebis<br />
proeqti.<br />
vin aris Sps `energiis~ mepatro-<br />
ne mevlud bliaZe?!<br />
informaciis Tavisuflebis ganviTarebis<br />
institutis (IDFI) mixedviT,<br />
eleqtroenergia is sferoa,<br />
sadac rusuli kompaniebi da ruse-<br />
Tis moqalaqeebis mier dafuZnebuli<br />
kompaniebi yvelaze farTod arian<br />
warmodgenilni qarTul bazarze.<br />
2010 wels saqarTveloSi dafu-<br />
Znebuli kompania Sps `energiis~<br />
sakuTrebaSia `dariali hesi~, `larsi<br />
hesi~ da `Silda hesi~. `energiis~<br />
70% ruseTis moqalaqe mevlud<br />
bliaZes ekuTvnis, 30% ki Sps `feris~<br />
mflobelobaSia. statistikis<br />
erovnuli samsaxuris mier mowodebuli<br />
informaciiT, mevlud bliaZis<br />
investicia 2011 wels ruseTidan<br />
ganxorcielebul yvelaze msxvil<br />
investiciebs Soris moxvda. mevlud<br />
bliaZe ruseTSi flobs kompania<br />
`pilons~, romelic xidebis<br />
mSeneblobasa da rekonstruqcias<br />
axorcielebs. mas miniWebuli aqvs<br />
`ruseTis damsaxurebuli mSeneblis~<br />
wodeba.<br />
Sps `pilons~ sankt-peterburg-<br />
Si unda gaekeTebina e. w. mwvane xidis<br />
grandiozuli rekonstruqcia.<br />
rusuli mediis informaciiT, mevlud<br />
bliaZe swored im mSenebelTagania,<br />
romelmac `iaxteni~ xidis<br />
mSenebloba daiwyo krestovskis<br />
kunZulze. sankt-peterburgis mTavrobam,<br />
romelmac manamde sakmao<br />
fuli gaxarja zenit-arenis mSeneblobaze,<br />
daaskvna, rom bliaZis xidisTvis<br />
(romelic am arenamde unda<br />
misuliyo) fuli aRar hyofnida.<br />
arada, marto 2013-2016 wlebSi<br />
`pilonma~ 27 miliardi rublis<br />
kontraqti dado. miuxedavad amisa,<br />
zemoT aRniSnuli mSenebloba kompaniis<br />
ofisebSi fsb-s CxrekiT<br />
dasrulda. mevlud bliaZis kompania<br />
aqtiurad agrZelebda tenderebSi<br />
monawileobas. 2018 wlis Semodgomaze<br />
fsb-m masStaburi Cxreka<br />
Caatara `levanTodoreSi~, romelsac<br />
`pilonma~ mTeli rigi kontraqtebi<br />
daudo. rusuli mediac<br />
ar malavs im faqts, rom fsb ubralo<br />
SemowmebiT aravisTan midis da<br />
mas seriozuli safuZveli unda<br />
hqondes amisTvis _ rac ar unda<br />
iyos, saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis<br />
samsaxuria . am movlenebidan maleve<br />
sankt-peterburgis gubernatori<br />
igor albini gadadga.<br />
dRes ruseTis saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis<br />
samsaxuri mevlud bliaZes<br />
saxelmwifo pirebTan ukanono<br />
korufciul garigebebSi Sesvlas<br />
edaveba, rac sabiujeto Tanxebis<br />
miTvisebas utoldeba. SeiZleba<br />
iTqvas, rom mas Seewira sankt-peterburgis<br />
gubernatori. mevlud<br />
bliaZe araerTgzis dakiTxa fsb-m.<br />
paralelebi rTuli gamosakveTi ar<br />
unda iyos. SeiZleba Tu ara iTqvas,<br />
rom igive politikas axorcielebs<br />
misi kompania saqarTveloSi?! ra<br />
rols TamaSobs amaSi ruseTis<br />
mTavroba da kerZod, fsb?!<br />
e. i. pankisSi hesi unda aeSenebina<br />
kompanias, romlis erT-erTi mepatrone<br />
aris ruseTis moqalaqe<br />
mevlud bliaZe da romelic fsb-s,<br />
faqtobrivad, `muSkaze~ hyavs ayvanili.<br />
partniorebTan sasamarTlo<br />
davebi, dayadaRebuli wilebi da<br />
gadagdebuli kompaniebi<br />
2005 wlidan zurab alaviZes<br />
ekava `VTB bankis~ (`gaerTianebuli<br />
qarTuli banki~) generaluri direqtoris<br />
moadgilis Tanamdeboba.<br />
2009-2010 wlebSi ki mas ekonomikuri<br />
ganviTarebis ministris moadgilis<br />
posti ekava. Sps `aRmosavle-<br />
Tis energokorporacia~ 1999 wels<br />
dafuZnda sami partnioris monawileobiT:<br />
siCuanis eleqtroenergetikuli<br />
importisa da eqsportis<br />
korporacia _ 54%; korporacia<br />
`hainan s.i.t. enterpraizi~ _ 39%;<br />
Sps `feri~ _ 7%. kompaniis saqmianobebs<br />
Soris kompaniis mTavar mimarTulebad<br />
ganisazRvra xadoris<br />
hidroeleqtrosadguris proeqtis<br />
momzadeba da ganxorcieleba.<br />
`hainan s.i.t. enterpraizi~ korporaciam<br />
droTa ganmavlobaSi daTmo<br />
Tavisi wili kompaniaSi da, sabolod,<br />
2004 wlidan dRemde, wilebi<br />
asea gadanawilebuli: 93%<br />
ekuTvnis siCuanis eleqtroenergetikuli<br />
importisa da eqsportis<br />
korporacias (CineTi) da 7% _ Sps<br />
`feris~. kompaniis sawesdebo kapitali<br />
dafuZnebisas Seadgenda 54<br />
980 aSS dolars, 2004 wels ki 5.5<br />
mln dolars gadaaWarba. Cinurma<br />
kompaniam sawesdebo kapitalis<br />
gazrdisTvis fuladi Senatani gaakeTa,<br />
Sps `ferma~ ki kompanias xadoris<br />
hesTan axlomdebare `minihesi<br />
II~ gadasca. iuridiuli pirebis<br />
reestris informaciis Tanaxmad,<br />
2013 wlis oqtombris mdgomareobiT,<br />
kompaniis mewileebi Tbilisis<br />
saqalaqo sasamarTloSi davaSi imyofebodnen.<br />
davis gamo, sasamarTlos<br />
gadawyvetilebiT, siCuanis<br />
eleqtroenergetikuli importisa<br />
da eqsportis korporaciis wili<br />
(93%) dayadaRda. 2013 wlis pirvel<br />
oqtombers davaSi myofi mxareebi<br />
SeTanxmdnen, rom Sps `feri~<br />
uars ityoda sarCelze da yadaRis<br />
gauqmebas moiTxovda; Cinuri mxare<br />
ki 2013 wlis 31 dekembramde Sei-<br />
Zenda Sps `feris~ 7%-ian wils kompaniaSi<br />
1 900 000 aSS dolarad. am<br />
pirobebis Sesrulebis Semdeg Cinur<br />
kompanias unda mieca garantia,<br />
rom 10 wlis ganmavlobaSi kompania<br />
Sps `feris~ miscemda `xadori-<br />
2 hesze~ gamomuSavebuli eleqtroenergiis<br />
gadacemis saSualebas mis<br />
kuTvnilebaSi myofi eleqtrogadamcemi<br />
xaziT, wliuri SeRavaTiani<br />
tarifiT 50 aTasi aSS dolari.<br />
ra xdeba amis Semdeg?! yazbegis<br />
municipalitetis sakuTrebaSi arsebuli<br />
Sps `yazbegi hesi~, pirdapiri<br />
miyidvis wesiT, Sps `ferim~<br />
2011 wlis agvistoSi 200 aTas larad<br />
SeiZina. Sps `yazbegi hesi~, privatizaciis<br />
momentisTvis, flobda<br />
yazbegis municipalitetSi, mdinare<br />
broliswyalze (xdiswyali) ganTavsebul<br />
mcire, 0.38 mgvt simZlavris<br />
hess _ `yazbegi hess~. kompaniis yidvidan<br />
mokle xanSi, 2012 wlis aprilSi,<br />
Sps `ferim~ mTlianad gaasxvisa<br />
100-procentiani wili fizikur<br />
pirebze _ laSa iordaniSvilsa<br />
(66.67%) da lela ioselianze<br />
(33.33%). sainteresoa, rom wilis<br />
nasyidobis xelSekrulebiT, lela<br />
ioselianis 33.33%-iani wilis safasuris<br />
gadaxda daevala ara Tavad<br />
xelSekrulebiT gansazRvrul myidvels<br />
_ lela ioselians, aramed<br />
ioseb mWedliSvils _ Sps `feris~<br />
Tanamflobels. es ukanaskneli da-<br />
Tanxmda am valdebulebis Sesrulebas.<br />
kompaniam 2013 wlis CaTvliT<br />
samjer Seicvala direqtori:<br />
privatizaciidan 2012 wlis 24 agvistomde<br />
kompaniis direqtori iyo<br />
giorgi ficxelauri, Semdgom is<br />
Caanacvla irakli Sengeliam; es<br />
ukanaskneli ki 2013 wlis ivnisSi<br />
Caanacvla giorgi goguam.<br />
kompaniis privatizaciis mTavar<br />
pirobad ganisazRvra Sps `yazbegi<br />
hesis~ sakuTrebaSi arsebuli hesis<br />
simZlavris gazrda 2.5 mgvt-mde,<br />
Tumca, mogvianebiT, es piroba Seicvala<br />
da kompanias daevala axali,<br />
aranakleb 5 mgvt simZlavris<br />
`yazbegis hesis~ mSenebloba imave<br />
mdinareze.<br />
gagrZeleba meaTe gv.<br />
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mecxre gverdidan<br />
Sps `ferisTan~<br />
dakavSirebuli kompania<br />
gaxlavT Landsvirkjun Power<br />
Landsvirkjun Power, romelic islandiuri<br />
saxelmwifo kompaniaa. is<br />
saqarTveloSi, savaraudod, 2010<br />
wlidan muSaobs. swored 2010 wels<br />
Landsvirkjun Power-ma, islandiur sakonsultacio<br />
kompania Verkis-Tan<br />
da qarTvel partniorebTan erTad,<br />
gaimarjva UNDP/Global Energy Fundis<br />
proeqtSi (Georgia - Promoting the<br />
Use of Renewable Energy Resources for<br />
Local Energy Supply) gamocxadebul<br />
tenderSi. milioni dolaris Rirebulebis<br />
kontraqti iTvaliswinebda<br />
saqarTveloSi sami mcire hesis<br />
(2.0-6,5 mgvt) reabilitaciasa da<br />
winasaproeqto kvlevebis Catarebas<br />
sxva oTxi mcire hesis proeqtisTvis.<br />
2011 wlis noemberSi<br />
sareabilitacio sami hesidan erTerTi<br />
`xadori-2 hesi~ iyo. savaraudod,<br />
Sps `ferisa~ da kompania<br />
Landsvirkjun Power-s Soris TanamSromloba<br />
pirvelad swored am proeqtis<br />
farglebSi Sedga. Landsvirkjun<br />
Power-sa da Sps `feris~ Soris TanamSromloba<br />
sxva proeqtebis farglebSic<br />
gagrZelda. kompaniis vebgverdze<br />
ganTavsebuli (2011 wlis<br />
20 ivlisiT daTariRebuli) informaciis<br />
Tanaxmad, kompaniam, kvlav<br />
sakonsultacio kompania Verkis-Tan<br />
erTad, Sps `dariali enerejisTan~<br />
dado xelSekruleba 109 mgvt sim-<br />
Zlavris `dariali hesis~ proeqtisTvis<br />
teqnikur-ekonomikuri kvlevis,<br />
satendero dokumentebisa<br />
da sainJinro gadawyvetis mosamzadeblad.<br />
kompania iqve aRniSnavs,<br />
rom Landsvirkjun Power-ma, Tavis mxriv,<br />
qvekontraqtebi dado qarTul<br />
kompaniebTan: Sps `ferisTan~, geologiuri<br />
kvlevebisTvis _ Sps `geoinJineringTan~<br />
(Geoengineering) da<br />
topografiuli da geodeziuri kvlevebisTvis<br />
_ Sps `geografikTan~<br />
(Geographic).<br />
zemoT CamoTvlil qarTul kompaniebTan<br />
islandiuri kompaniebis<br />
TanamSromloba gagrZelda kidev<br />
erTi proeqtis farglebSi; esaa<br />
20 da 25 mgvt simZlavris hesebis<br />
mSeneblobis proeqti mdinare ma-<br />
Waxelaze. Landsvirkjun Power-ma da<br />
Verkis-ma dades xelSekruleba Sps<br />
`maWaxela hesi 1-Tan~ sxvadasxva saxis<br />
sakonsultacio momsaxurebaze<br />
(satendero dokumentebis momzadeba,<br />
winaswari teqnikur-ekonomikuri<br />
kvleva da sxv.).<br />
iseve rogorc `dariali hesis~<br />
proeqtis SemTxvevaSi, kompania iqve<br />
aRniSnavs, rom am proeqtisTvisac,<br />
Landsvirkjun Power-ma, Tavis mxriv,<br />
qvekontraqtebi gaaforma Sps<br />
`ferisTan~, `geoinJineringTan~ da<br />
Sps `geografikTan~.<br />
saintereso ambebi<br />
samecniero-kvleviTi<br />
firma `gamas~ Sesaxeb<br />
samecniero-kvleviTi firma `gama~<br />
sakonsultacio kompaniaa, romelic<br />
sxvadasxva saxis serviss uzrunvelyofs,<br />
maT Soris, erT-er-<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
pankisSi hess rusi biznesmeni<br />
aSenebs,romelic fsb-s<br />
`muSkaze~ hyavs ayvanili<br />
Tia sxvadasxva tipis proeqtisTvis<br />
garemoze zemoqmedebis Sefasebis<br />
kvlevebis Catareba. `gama konsaltingi~,<br />
rogorc mas xSirad moixsenieben,<br />
ss `dariali enerjis~ `dariali<br />
hesis~ proeqtis garemoze<br />
zemoqmedebis Sefasebis angariSis<br />
avtoria. `gama konsaltingma~ aseve<br />
moamzada md. broliswyalze (xdiswyali)<br />
Sps `yazbegi hesis~ mier<br />
dagegmili `yazbegi hesis~ proeqtis<br />
garemoze zemoqmedebis Sefasebis<br />
angariSis gadamuSavebuli versia<br />
(mas Semdeg, rac kompaniis mier<br />
garemos dacvis saministroSi pirvelad<br />
wardgenili gzS _ garemoze<br />
zemoqmedebis Sefasebis _ angariSi<br />
daiwunes). `gama konsaltingsa~ da<br />
Sps `feris~ Soris TanamSromloba<br />
Sedga foTis municipaluri wyalmomaragebis<br />
proeqtis farglebSi.<br />
rac Seexeba `Tbilwyalgeos~, is<br />
2000 wlis 20 ivlisis mdgomareobiT,<br />
sajaro samarTlis iuridiul<br />
pirs warmoadgenda. `Tbilwyalgeom~<br />
Sps `energiis~ dakveTiT Caatara<br />
garemoze zemoqmedebis Sefaseba<br />
`larsi hesis~ proeqtisTvis;<br />
aseve amave organizaciam moamzada<br />
md. broliswyalze (xdiswyali)<br />
Sps `yazbegi hesis~ mier dagegmili<br />
`yazbegi hesis~ proeqtis garemoze<br />
zemoqmedebis Sefasebis<br />
angariSis pirveladi versia (versia,<br />
romelic garemos dacvis saministrom<br />
daiwuna _ ar gasca ekologiuri<br />
eqspertizis dadebiTi daskvna).<br />
mcxeTa-mTianeTis regionSi<br />
dagegmili hesebis umravlesobas<br />
Sps `feri~ da masTan wilebiT dakavSirebuli<br />
kompaniebi axorcielebdnen.<br />
erTaderTi gamonaklisia 8<br />
mgvt simZlavris `aragvi hesis~<br />
proeqti mdinare TeTr aragvze,<br />
romelsac Sps `energoaragvi~ axorcielebda.<br />
Tumca am proeqtSic<br />
Sps `feri~ iyo CarTuli. am SemTxvevaSic<br />
is Sps `energoaragvis~ dakveTiT<br />
samSeneblo samuSaoebs asrulebda.<br />
2010 wlis adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis<br />
arCevnebisas, `er-<br />
Tiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ Semomwirvel<br />
kompaniebs Soris iyo<br />
Sps `feric~. kompaniam 2010 wlis 19<br />
Tebervals mmarTvel politikur<br />
partias 50 aTasi lari Seswira,<br />
2012 wels ki ukve, saparlamento<br />
arCevnebisTvis, saqarTvelos kanonmdeblobiT,<br />
politikur partiebs<br />
ukve akrZaluli hqondaT Semowirulobebis<br />
miReba kompaniebisgan.<br />
amasTan, fizikuri pirebisTvis<br />
partiebisTvis Semowirulobebis<br />
wliur zeda zRvrad 60 aTasi lari<br />
ganisazRvra. rogorc politikuri<br />
partiebis Semowirulobebis monacemebidan<br />
irkveva, `erTiani nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis~ Semomwirvelebs<br />
Soris kvlav aRmoCndnen<br />
Sps `ferisTan~ dakavSirebul kompaniebTan<br />
asocirebuli pirebi.<br />
eseni arian: zurab alaviZe, ss<br />
`dariali enerjis~ direqtori _<br />
man mmarTvel partias 2012 wlis 30<br />
ivliss 35 aTasi lari Seswira; la-<br />
Sa iordaniSvili, ss `dariali enerjis~<br />
yofili direqtori, Sps<br />
`yazbegi hesis~ Tanamflobeli _<br />
man mmarTvel partias 2012 wlis 10<br />
ivliss 40 aTasi lari Seswira; amave<br />
dRes ioseb mWedliSvilma (Sps<br />
`feris~ 96%-iani wilis mflobeli)<br />
`erTian nacionalur moZraobas~<br />
Semowirulobis maqsimaluri dasa-<br />
Svebi raodenoba _ 60 aTasi lari<br />
Seswira.<br />
`feris~ mier<br />
ganadgurebuli teritoriebi?<br />
2010 wels uprecedento samarTlebrivi<br />
aqti, romelic miiRes kompania<br />
`feris~ (`darial enerjis~<br />
partniori) sasargeblod, iyo<br />
mTavrobis gankarguleba #460 `md.<br />
alazanze `xadori-2 hesis~ mSeneblobis<br />
saqmianobis garemoze zemoqmedebis<br />
Sefasebis angariSisgan<br />
ganTavisuflebis Sesaxeb~.<br />
`qarTuli ocnebis~ mTavrobisa<br />
da mixeil saakaSvilis sinqronul<br />
qmedebebs Seewira kidev erTi _<br />
bunebis Zegli _ xdis xeoba. kompania<br />
`feris~, mTavrobisa da prezidentis<br />
ZalisxmeviT (gamocemuli<br />
aqtebis safuZvelze), manamde<br />
gaugrZelda memorandumis periodi,<br />
sanam am xeobaSi `yazbegi hesis~<br />
mSeneblobis nebarTva ar miiRo.<br />
2009 wlis 22 maiss saqarTvelos<br />
garemos dacvisa da bunebrivi<br />
resursebis ministris #292-e br-<br />
ZanebiT Sps `feris~ uari eTqva<br />
garemoze zemoqmedebis nebarTvis<br />
gacemaze, vinaidan saministroSi<br />
warmodgenili angariSi Zalze uxarisxo<br />
iyo.<br />
`ra saerTo-saxelmwifoebriv<br />
interess ukavSirdeboda 1,8-megavatiani<br />
hesis mSenebloba, yovlad<br />
gaugebaria. xelisuflebis gaum-<br />
Wvirvale da saeWvo qmedebebs<br />
ganekuTvneba amave kompaniis sasargeblod<br />
xdis xeobaSi `yazbegi hesis~<br />
mSeneblobis Sesaxeb gadawyvetilebis<br />
miRebac. yovelgvari<br />
dasabuTebisa da SesaZlo dadebi-<br />
Ti an uaryofiTi Sedegebis gaTvlis<br />
gareSe, Sps `yazbegi hesis~ mesakuTreTa<br />
survilis dasakmayofileblad,<br />
sxvadasxva donis saxelmwifo<br />
struqturam (adgilobrivi<br />
TviTmmarTeloba, ekonomikis<br />
saministro, prezidenti), SeTanxmebulad,<br />
sul erT kviraSi, miiRo<br />
gadawyvetileba mdinare broliswyalze<br />
axali, aranakleb 5 mgvt sim-<br />
Zlavris hesis aSenebis Sesaxeb (maT<br />
Soris, gamoica saqarTvelos prezidentis<br />
gankargulebac #04/06/02,<br />
2012 wlis 4 ivnisi).<br />
xdis xeobaSi hesis mSeneblobis<br />
proeqtTan dakavSirebiT samTavrobo<br />
uwyebebs gadawyvetilebis<br />
miReba orjer mouwiaT. 2013 wlis<br />
gazafxulze garemos dacvis saministros<br />
mier proeqtze ekologiuri<br />
eqspertizis uaryofiTi daskvna<br />
gaica, rasac am saministroze<br />
seriozuli zewola moyva premierministrisa<br />
da energetikis saministros<br />
mxridan. aseve, yovelgvari<br />
dasabuTebis gareSe, kompania `feris~<br />
gaugrZelda `yazbegi hesis~<br />
mSeneblobis Sesaxeb memorandumis<br />
moqmedebis vada, romelic dairRva<br />
uxarisxo garemoze zemoqmedebis<br />
Sefasebis angariSis momzadebis<br />
gamo mSeneblobis nebarTvis miuReblobiT~,<br />
_ weria organizaciis daskvnaSi.<br />
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599 26 83 83<br />
TbilisSi, petriaSvilis quCaze<br />
mdebare istoriuli Senoba `Rvinis qarxana #1-is~ sasamarTlo<br />
_ sistemis keTilsindisierebisa da biznesisadmi damok-<br />
idebulebis sazom testad iqca. saqme imdenad naTeli da,<br />
amavdroulad, CaxuWuWebulia, rom mis samarTlebriv das-<br />
rulebas ara mxolod sasamarTlo davaSi CarTuli mxareebi,<br />
aramed qarTuli biznesi da investorebic yuradRebiT akvirdebian.<br />
uzenaesi sasamarTlos mier Seqmnilma precedentma Sesa-<br />
Zloa, erTi xelis mosmiT daangrios keTilsindisieri myidve-<br />
lis cneba da mravalWirnaxuli da kataklizmebgamovlili<br />
qarTuli biznesi udidesi safrTxis winaSe daayenos.<br />
`qronika+~ agrZelebs Jurnalistur<br />
gamoZiebas da amjerad gTa-<br />
vazobT intervius `Rvinis qarxana<br />
#1-is~ advokat arCil TabagarTan:<br />
_ arCil, ratom aris es saqme<br />
ase rezonansuli da ratom uqm-<br />
nis safrTxes igi qarTul biznes-<br />
sa da samarTlebriv sistemas?<br />
_ saqme sasamarTlos sxvadasxva<br />
instanciaSia 2014 wlis dekembridan.<br />
anu TiTqmis xuTi welia, saqmes<br />
sasamarTlo ganixilavs da qonebas<br />
yadaRa adevs, es biznesisTvis damangrevelia.<br />
saapelacio sasamarTlom<br />
saqmis ganxilva 2019 wlis 19<br />
ivnisisTvis gadado, rodesac gasuli<br />
wlis seqtembridan yoveldRe<br />
velodebiT saboloo gadawyvetilebas.<br />
saapelacio sasamarTlo ukve<br />
meored ganixilavs am saqmes da<br />
mosamarTle qeTevan mesxiSvilma<br />
lamis detalurad icis saqmis<br />
yoveli niuansi.<br />
_ maSin ra aris saqmis gaWia-<br />
nurebis mizezi?<br />
_ ra iyo imis mizezi, rom pirvel<br />
instanciaSi gamotanili verdiqti<br />
da meore instanciis verdiqti<br />
absoluturad gaugonari motivaciiT<br />
ar gaiTvaliswina uzenaesma<br />
sasamarTlom da saqme kvlav saapelacios<br />
daubruna?<br />
_ gulisxmobT zewolas an gav-<br />
lenas?<br />
_ diax, maqvs amis varaudis<br />
safuZvliani eWvi. SeiZleba, biznesi<br />
xuTi weli davis procesSi amyofo,<br />
qoneba dauyadaRo, paralelurad<br />
aRiarebde, rom saqme gaqvs<br />
keTilsindisier mflobelTan da<br />
aWianurebde sasamarTlos erTaderTi<br />
motiviT _ daaTmobinon biznesi<br />
mepatrones?!<br />
_ aseTi moTxovna visgan iyo?<br />
_ maT arc daufaravT saubreb-<br />
Si, rom am obieqtSi wilobrivi<br />
monawileoba undaT. me vuTxari<br />
maT advokat arCil kbilaSvils,<br />
rom amaze saubari dauSvebeli iyo<br />
da es Tema mokvda.<br />
_ da...<br />
_ mxare, romelsac me warmovadgen,<br />
kategoriulad winaaRmdegia<br />
raime saxis garigebaze wasvlis. es<br />
pirebi sasamarTlos meSveobiT<br />
2015 wlis ianvridan yadaRis qveS<br />
amyofeben qarxanas. am xnis ganmavlobaSi<br />
yadaRis qveS kompaniis<br />
yofna, romelsac esaWiroeba mudmivi<br />
ganaxleba, reabilitacia, radganac<br />
es obieqti sakmaod Zvelia da<br />
didi kapitaldanaxarji sWirdeba,<br />
faqtobrivad, gausaZlisia. amis<br />
Sesaxeb saqmis kursSia yvela _ biznesombudsmenidan<br />
dawyebuli, sxva<br />
yvela instanciiT damTavrebuli<br />
da amis miuxedavad aranairi saSveli<br />
ar Cans.<br />
_ anu Seqmnil viTarebaze xe-<br />
lisufleba saqmis kursSia?<br />
_ diax, veravin ityvis, rom ar<br />
icoda qarxnis irgvliv mimdinare<br />
procesebis Sesaxeb araferi.<br />
_ da mainc, ra aris davis sa-<br />
gani?<br />
_ axlandelma mflobelebma<br />
aRniSnuli obieqti SeiZines 2013<br />
wlis martSi. 2013 wels Sps `art<br />
Rvinom~ fizikur pir vladimer<br />
kvaracxeliasgan 4 000 000 aSS<br />
dolarad iyida mis sakuTrebaSi<br />
arsebuli 100%-iani wili kompania<br />
Sps `katri kapitalSi~ (s/k:<br />
404401544). vladimer kvaracxelia<br />
mis kuTvnil kompania Sps `katri<br />
kapitalis~ meSveobiT sakuTrebaSi<br />
flobda Rvinis qarxnis teritoriis<br />
mxolod nawils, Tumca mTeli<br />
misi qoneba Cadebuli hqonda `Tibisi<br />
bankSi~. vladimer kvaracxelia<br />
am droisTvis ver axdenda kreditis<br />
dafarvas, aRniSnuli qoneba ki,<br />
praqtikulad, gadasuli iyo `Tibisi<br />
bankis~ srul gankargvaSi. amave<br />
wels Sps `art Rvinom~ `saqarTvelos<br />
bankisgan~, erT-erTi yvelaze<br />
stabiluri safinaso organizaciisgan,<br />
5 550000.00 larad gamoisyida<br />
qonebis meore naxevaric. 2014<br />
wlis dekemberSi Rvinis qarxnis SemZenis<br />
_ Sps `art Rvinos~ mimarT<br />
Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTloSi<br />
daiwyo samoqalaqo dava. mosar-<br />
Cele _ saaqcio sazogadoeba `savane<br />
Rvinis #1 qarxana~. mis warmomadgenlad<br />
aRniSnul davaSi saqar-<br />
Tvelos yofili mTavari prokurori<br />
arCil kbilaSvili CaerTo.<br />
_ ramdenadac maxsovs, kbilaS-<br />
vils am Rvinis qarxanasTan, ufro<br />
sworad, mis yofil mflobelebTan,<br />
adrec hqonda profesiuli kav-<br />
Siri, Tu vcdebi?<br />
_ ara, ar cdebiT. rogorc irkveva<br />
da es CvenTvis sasamarTlo davis<br />
dros gaxda cnobili, 2004 wels<br />
qarxana gaiyida. gayida misma direqtorma<br />
vinme giorgi mgalobliSvilma.<br />
Semdeg aqcionerebma mas im<br />
motiviT uCivles, rom mas ar hqonia<br />
qarxnis gayidvis ufleba. prokuraturaSi<br />
sisxlis samarTlis<br />
saqme aRiZra. am saqmeSi mgalobli-<br />
Svilis advokati gaxldaT batoni<br />
arCil kbilaSvili, romelic maSin<br />
amtkicebda, rom mgalobliSvils<br />
kanoni ar daurRvevia da mis mier<br />
dadebuli garigeba kanonis farglebSi<br />
iyo. am saqmeze, ramdenadac<br />
vici, aTamde adamiani daakaves. mgalobliSvili<br />
ar daukavebiT, man ma-<br />
Sin qveyana datova, Tumca mis mimarT<br />
saqme ar Sewyvetila da samarTlebrivi<br />
devna mimdinareobda.<br />
_ es devna axlac grZeldeba?<br />
_ ara. 2013 wels, rodesac batoni<br />
arCil kbilaSvili mTavari<br />
prokurori gaxldaT, mgalobliSvilis<br />
winaaRmdeg sisxlis samarTlis<br />
devna Sewyda.<br />
_ sainteresoa. da amaze ras<br />
ambobs batoni kbilaSvili?<br />
_ is acxadebs, rom prokuraturaSi<br />
uamravi saqme iyo da mgalobliSvilis<br />
mimarT ratom Sewyda<br />
devna, misTvis ucnobia.<br />
_ anu kargad gamarkvieT: kbilaSvili<br />
amtkicebda, rom mgalobliSvili<br />
damnaSave ar iyo da qone-<br />
ba gasxvisda kanonis farglebSi,<br />
Semdeg mgalobliSvilis mimarT<br />
devna Sewyda da axla kbilaSvili<br />
acxadebs, rom mgalobliSvilis<br />
dros Cadenil iqna ukanono, mar-<br />
TlsawinaaRmdego qmedeba da amis<br />
gamo 2004 wlidan, lamis, 30-jer<br />
gayiduli qonebaze daobs?<br />
_ diax, batoni kbilaSvili, realurad,<br />
amis damtkicebas cdilobs.<br />
_ kbilaSvilis qmedebebi,<br />
araerTikurTan erTad, amoraluradac<br />
meCveneba, Tundac profe-<br />
siuli TvalsazrisiT.<br />
_ kbilaSvils aranairi pretenzia<br />
ar aqvs 2004-2006 wlebSi ss `savane<br />
_ Rvinis #1 qarxnis~ direq-<br />
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torebTan da aqcionerTa erT nawilTan,<br />
romelTa qmedebebs, roca<br />
amis survili aqvs, danaSaulebrivsac<br />
uwodebs da Tan iribad aRiarebs<br />
amJamindeli mesakuTreebis<br />
uflebas. ramdenadac vxvdebi da<br />
vvaraudob, baton kbilaSvils<br />
konkretuli amocana aqvs _ procesi<br />
gawelos im zomamde, rom keTilsindisier<br />
mflobelebs mosar-<br />
Celem an wili gamostyuos, an<br />
daqancos samarTlebrivi daviT da<br />
uari aTqmevinos qonebaze. mis moralsa<br />
da eTikas ar Sevexebi, es sxvebma<br />
gansajon.<br />
_ Tvalaxveuli gasagebia, magram<br />
Temida yrua? e. i. sasamarT-<br />
lo kbilaSvilis dudukze cekvavs<br />
da mis nebaze dadis?<br />
_ es Cemi piradi azria, rom aq<br />
xdeba raRaca saxis manipulacia.<br />
mizani _ obieqti amyofon mudmi-<br />
arCil Tabagari:<br />
`sasamarTlo<br />
sakuTar reputacias,<br />
biznessa da kerZo<br />
sakuTrebas safrTxis<br />
qveS ayenebs~<br />
vad sasamarTlo davis reJimSi. aseT<br />
probebSi xom raime saxis investiciazec<br />
ki saubari zedmetia. am-<br />
Jamindeli investorebic gaognebulni<br />
arian. wlebia, fuli dabandebuli<br />
aqvT da aranairi Sedegi, sargebelzec<br />
saubari xom zedmetia.<br />
mimaCnia, rom uzenaes sasamarTlo-<br />
Si garkveuli saxis Careva moxda<br />
imisTvis, rom saqmeze Sedegi ar<br />
damdgariyo da davis statusi SenarCunebuliyo.<br />
saqme mTavrdeboda<br />
da gadawyvetileba unda miRebuliyo<br />
_ anu Cven gavmarTldebodiT,<br />
rogorc aqamde gavmarTldiT<br />
yvela sxva instanciaSi. Cemi azriT,<br />
es ar awyobdaT. daakvirdiT: pirvel<br />
instanciaSi mosamarTle laSa<br />
qoCiaSvilma mosarCele ss `savane<br />
Rvinis #1 qarxanas~ sarCelis dakmayofilebaze<br />
uari uTxra. Tumca<br />
ss `savane Rvinis #1-ma qarxanam~<br />
`kbilaSvils aranairi pretenzia ar aqvs 2004-<br />
2006 wlebSi ss `savane - Rvinis N1 qarxnis~<br />
direqtorebTan da aqcionerTa erT nawilTan,<br />
romelTa qmedebebs, roca amis survili aqvs,<br />
danaSaulebrivsac uwodebs da Tan iribad<br />
aRiarebs amJamindeli mesakuTreebis uflebas.<br />
ramdenadac vxvdebi da vvaraudob, baton<br />
kbilaSvils konkretuli amocana aqvs - procesi<br />
gawelos im zomamde, rom keTilsindisier<br />
mflobelebs mosarCelem an wili gamostyuos,<br />
an daqancos samarTlebrivi daviT da uari<br />
aTqmevinos qonebaze. mis moralsa da eTikas ar<br />
Sevexebi, es sxvebma gansajon~<br />
pirveli instanciis dadgenileba<br />
saapelacio sasamarTloSi gaasaCvra.<br />
erTi wlis Semdeg _ 2016 wels,<br />
Tbilisis saapelacio sasamarTlomac<br />
_ SemadgenlobiT: qeTevan mesxiSvili,<br />
naTia gujabiZe, nata nazRaiZe<br />
_ ss `savane Rvinis #1 qarxanas~<br />
sarCelis dakmayofilebaze uari<br />
uTxra da ZalaSi datova pirveli<br />
instanciis gadawyvetileba. ss `savane<br />
Rvinis #1-ma qarxanam~ saapelacio<br />
sasamarTlos gadawyvetileba<br />
sakasacio saCivriT saqarTvelos<br />
uzenaes sasamarTloSi gaasaCivra.<br />
_ da ra xdeba uzenaes sasa-<br />
marTloSi?<br />
_ 2018 wels saqarTvelos uzenaesma<br />
sasamarTlom, SemadgenlobiT:<br />
besarion alaviZe, zurab ZlieriSvili,<br />
paata qaTamaZe, ori instanciis<br />
mier safuZvlianad Seswavlili<br />
da gamoZiebuli saqme uprecedento<br />
gadawyvetilebiT, `axlidan<br />
Seswavlis~ motiviT, gansaxilvelad<br />
ukan daabruna Tbilisis saapelacio<br />
sasamarTloSi.<br />
_ romelic, rogorc vxvdebi, ga-<br />
naCenis gamotanis process welavs.<br />
_ ase gamodis. amJamad Tbilisis<br />
saapelacio sasamarTloSi saqmes<br />
ganixilavs Semdegi Semadgenloba:<br />
qeTevan mesxiSvili _ palatis Tavmjdomare<br />
da momxsenebeli mosamar-<br />
Tle, Tamar alania, Tamar zambaxiZe.<br />
2018 wlis seqtembridan yovel<br />
Tve tardeboda sxdoma. 22 marts<br />
saboloo gadawyvetileba unda<br />
gamoecxadebinaT, wina dRes TanaSemwem<br />
damireka da miTxra, rom sxdoma<br />
ar Catardeboda. mere yvela<br />
avawriale da sabolood damikav-<br />
Sirdnen da macnobes, rom sxdoma<br />
19 ivnisisTvis gadaido.<br />
_ da mainc, uaRresad saintere-<br />
soa, ra iyo uzenaesi sasamarTlos<br />
motivi?<br />
_ SevTanxmdeT imaze, rom, rogorc<br />
wesi, aseTi saqme uzenaes sasamarTloSi<br />
gansaxilvelad ar Sedis<br />
da kasacia dasaSvebi ar aris. amis<br />
miuxedavad, ratomRac, uzenaesi<br />
sasamarTlo arsebiTad iwyebs saqmis<br />
ganxilvas. sabolood, miRebulia<br />
gadawyvetileba saqmis ukan dabrunebis<br />
Sesaxeb, risi aranairi argumentacia<br />
ar arsebobda. saqme imdenad<br />
iyo Seswavlili pirvel da<br />
meore instanciaSi, rom masSi axlad<br />
aRmoCenili an sxva sadavo<br />
faqtobrivi garemoeba ar arsebobda.<br />
saqmis ukan dabruneba, Tan am<br />
mocemulobaSi, biznesdavebSi aris<br />
warmoudgeneli usamarTloba. Tu<br />
rame arasworad iyo Sefasebuli,<br />
uzenaes sasamarTlos SeeZlo, kanonis<br />
norma miesadagebina, romelsac<br />
marTebulad miiCnevda da dava<br />
daesrulebina.<br />
gagrZeleba me-17 gv.<br />
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`ocneba~ ki ar damarcxdeba,<br />
gasul kviras parlamentis<br />
giorgi abaSiZe<br />
Tavmjdomare `rusTavi 2-s~ kidev<br />
erTxel daemuqra, anu imis sademonstraciod,<br />
rom `ocnebis~ sasamarTlo politikuri gas-<br />
venebisgan Tavisufalia, irakli kobaxiZem `rusTavi 2-is~ saqme<br />
moiyvana da parlamentis tribunidan ganacxada: `dRemde<br />
`rusTavi 2" mixeil saakaSvilis sakuTrebaSia... erTaderTi, rac<br />
Tqva 9 mosamarTlem, romelic warmodgenilia uzenaes sasa-<br />
marTloSi _ saakaSvilma ukanonod daipatrona `rusTavi 2". es<br />
aris is WeSmariteba, romelsac alternativa ar aqvs imitom,<br />
rom es icis qarTvelma xalxma~.<br />
qarTvelma xalxma isic kargad icis, rom `ocneba~ sasamarTlos<br />
da, zogadad, yvela demokratiuli institutis uzurpacias cdi-<br />
lobs. amitomac valeri gelbaxiani, romelic samarTlebriv da<br />
politikur sakiTxebSi zedmiwevniT kargad erkveva, `qronika+~-s<br />
eubneba, rom `ocnebis~ beds arCevnebi ki ara, quCa gadawyvets.<br />
valeri gelbaxiani:<br />
`biZina aijagra da<br />
zurabiSvilTan<br />
aRar kontaqtobs!~<br />
CvenTan intervius dros bato-<br />
ni valeri imis Sesaxebac saub-<br />
robs, Tu ratom aRar kontaqtobs<br />
ivaniSvili salome zurabiSvilT-<br />
an da aqve mis xelT arsebul kidev<br />
erT informacias gvimxels , romlis<br />
mixedviTac, `ocnebis~ TavmjdomaresTan<br />
ucxoeli misionerebi<br />
dadian da urCeven, rom xelisu-<br />
flebis uzurpaciaze xeli aiRos,<br />
Torem cudad daamTavrebs.<br />
_ batono valeri, bolo dros<br />
qarTul politikaSi iseTi ambebi<br />
xdeba, rom aRarc ki vici, saubari<br />
romeli TemiT daviwyo, Tumca,<br />
Tavdapirvelad, parlamentis Ta-<br />
vmjdomaris, irakli kobaxiZis gan-<br />
cxadeba ganvixiloT, romliTac<br />
`rusTavi 2-s~ daemuqra. es imaze<br />
mianiSnebs, rom xelisufleba saerTaSoriso<br />
Tanamegobrobis um-<br />
wvaves Sefasebebs arafrad agdebs<br />
da Tavisufal mediasa da, zogad-<br />
ad, demokratiul institutebze<br />
axal Setevas iwyebs?<br />
_ xelisuflebas demokratia<br />
mxolod fasadisTvis sWirdeba,<br />
Torem arsebiTad demokratiul<br />
faseulobebs ar cnobs da xSirad<br />
utifradac ebrZvis mas. visac sab-<br />
WoTa kavSiri axsovs, icis, rom yvelafer<br />
amas komunistebi ukeTesad<br />
akeTebdnen. yovel SemTxvevaSi, komunistebis<br />
kanonebsa da konstitucias<br />
rom CaxedoT, iseTi lamazi da<br />
kargad dawerili dokumenti samyaros<br />
erT qveyanasac ar hqonda,<br />
Tumca komunistebi imas ebrZodnen,<br />
rac gacxadebuli hqondaT.<br />
_ komunistebTan paraleli<br />
gasagebia, magram maSin civilize-<br />
buli dasavleTi erTxmad aRiarebda,<br />
rom sabWoTa kavSiri Caketili<br />
zona iyo, rasac dRevan-<br />
del saqarTveloze ver vityviT,<br />
anu, wesiT, Cvenma xelisuflebam<br />
saerTaSoriso organizaciebis re-<br />
komendaciebs angariSi xom unda<br />
gauwios?<br />
_ angariSs rom uwevdes, ase ar<br />
moiqceoda.<br />
euTo da aseve adamianis uflebaTa<br />
dacvis yvela saerTaSoriso<br />
organizacia ambobs, rom mTavari,<br />
razedac saxelmwifo dgas, arCevnebis<br />
legitimurobaa, demokratiuloba<br />
da Tavisuflebaa. ucxoelebi<br />
uebnebian, am demokratiul faseulobebs<br />
kategoriulad ewinaaRmdegebiT,<br />
Tqvens Zalauflebas<br />
aWarbebT, konstituciur da saer-<br />
TaSoriso principebs arRvevT da<br />
yvelaferi es gamoasworeTo.<br />
gamosworeba imas niSnavs, rom<br />
darRvevebze reagireba moaxdino _<br />
is xalxi dasajo, vinc darRveva<br />
Caidina, aseve kanonmdebloba Secvalo,<br />
anu ki ar unda Tqva, ki batono,<br />
pativs gcemT da Tqvens rekomendaciebs<br />
Sevasruleb, aramed<br />
momavalSi imis ganxorcielebasac<br />
uzrunvelvyof, rom analogiuri<br />
anomaliebi aRar moxdeso. es iqneba<br />
sakuTari konstituciis, demokratiuli<br />
faseulobebisa da, ra<br />
Tqma unda, saerTaSoriso institutebis<br />
pativiscema, magram utifrobasac<br />
vxedavT!<br />
yvelafer amas bolSevikebi ufro<br />
lamazad fuTavdnen. eseni ki<br />
uxeSad da uwignurad akeTeben! es<br />
sabWoTa mmarTvelobis stilia _<br />
aba, yvelafer amas sxva ra unda davarqvaT?<br />
_ e. i., `ocneba~ msoflio politikis<br />
dinebis sawinaaRmdegod mi-<br />
dis da Tu asea, maSin yvelafer<br />
amis bolo rogori iqneba?<br />
_ politikaSi aseTi stilis mocuraveebi<br />
yovelTvis damxrCvali<br />
da napirze gamoTreuli minaxavs.<br />
Tu ase gaagrZelebs, yvela logikiT,<br />
`ocneba~ araTu damarcxdeba,<br />
aramed daixrCoba!<br />
_ mmarTveli gundi yvelafer<br />
amas, razedac saubrobT, Segnebu-<br />
lad da mizanmimarTulad akeTebs<br />
Tu uvicobiT mosdis?<br />
_ `ocneba~ politikuri gundi<br />
ar aris, romelsac mkveTri orientacia,<br />
mimarTuleba da calsaxa<br />
ideologia aqvs. `ocneba~ raRacis<br />
kompilacia, anu Sexedulebebis<br />
mixedviT Sekrebili adamianebis<br />
gundi ki ara, ufro krebaa, sadac<br />
Riad amboben, Cveni Sefis morCilebi<br />
varTo. ai, es aris am xalxis er-<br />
Tad yofnis mTavari niSani. eseni<br />
politikis yovelgvari principebisa<br />
da wesebisgan Sors arian. amitom<br />
maT momavali ar uweriaT. maTi<br />
ideologia saxelmwifoebrivi koncefciiT<br />
ar aris gamagrebuli.<br />
_ am xalxis `Sefs~, romelic<br />
planetis erT-erTi umdidresi ad-<br />
amiania, ar eSinia, rom dasavleTSi<br />
piradi problemebi Seeqmneba?<br />
_ SefisTvis realoba ki ara,<br />
sxva samyaro arsebobs!<br />
_ SeiZleba, magram rogorc amboben,<br />
mas sabanko angariSebi ucx-<br />
oeTSi aqvs da safrTxes verc am<br />
kuTxiT xedavs?<br />
_ amaze TviTon unda ifiqros.<br />
jerjerobiT, gasdis, magram albaT,<br />
SeaCereben. SeCerebis erTerTi<br />
meTodi is aris, rom angariSebs<br />
safrTxe daemuqros.<br />
_ angariSebs safrTxe axla dae-<br />
muqreba Tu 2020-isTvis?<br />
_ rogorc wesi, ase xdeba xolme:<br />
arCevnebis daniSvnamde ramdenime<br />
TviT adre sxvadasxva qveynis misionerebi<br />
Camodian, jer afrTxileben,<br />
mere ki TiTs uqneven!<br />
aseTi ram, albaT, male moxdeba,<br />
Tumca rogorc vici, ucxoeli diplomatebi<br />
`SefTan~ ukve dadian da<br />
eubnebian, is, rac nebiT unda daTmo,<br />
daTme, Torem ZaliT da cudad<br />
daTmobo.<br />
_ ggoniaT, rom es gafrTxile-<br />
ba Sedegs moitans, miT umetes, im<br />
fonze, roca `ocnebis~ yvela<br />
lideri saerTaSoriso organiza-<br />
ciebze agdebulad saubrobs da<br />
arc imis Tqmas erideba, rom isini<br />
opoziciisa da arasamTavroboeb-<br />
is tyveobaSi arian?<br />
_ es gancxadebebi qarTuli sa-<br />
`usaSvelo araferia! yvelafers Tavisi<br />
simwifis periodi aqvs da mgonia, rom es<br />
procesic momwifebas ucdis da cotaRa darCa,<br />
saboloo nayofi rom miviRoT!~<br />
zogadoebis winaSe gakeTebuli<br />
Tavdacvaa, Torem amaze ucxoelebi,<br />
albaT, siciliT kvdebian.<br />
_ batono valeri, advokati<br />
xarT da, aqedan gamomdinare, sasamarTlo<br />
sistemasac kargad ic-<br />
nobT. Sesabamisad, isic gecodinebaT,<br />
koleqtiuri murusiZe-Cin-<br />
CalaZe `ocnebisTvis~ iseTi mniS-<br />
vnelovani ratom aris, rom lamis<br />
`girgvlianis saqmeSic~ ki an-<br />
gelozad gamohyavs?<br />
_ amas `Sefi~ akeTebs da veravin<br />
ubedavs uTxras, rom yvelafer<br />
amas misTvis bumerangis efeqti eqneba.<br />
Tu prokuraturas, Sss-sa da<br />
uSiSroebis sistemas akontroleb,<br />
maSin sasamarTlo raRa Wirad ginda,<br />
am tvirTsa da talaxsac rom<br />
ikideb?<br />
mis warmodgenaSi, albaT, asea:<br />
yvela gadawyvetileba, sabolood,<br />
sasamarTlom unda miiRos da amitom<br />
sasamarTlo jibeSi unda hyavdes,<br />
anu jibis sasamarTlo unda<br />
hqondes, magram jer ar icis, ra<br />
elis im SemTxvevaSi, roca igive<br />
sasamarTlo SesaZloa, im ubedurebis<br />
gamsamarTlebeli gaxdes, rac<br />
dRes xdeba.<br />
sinamdvileSi, sasamarTlo aRmasrulebeli<br />
struqtura ar aris.<br />
sasamarTlo sxva principebzea<br />
dafuZnebuli, anu mosamarTle is<br />
Tanamdebobis piri ar aris, romelic<br />
iniSneba. mosamarTle arCeviTia<br />
da, cxadia, Tu qveyanaSi situacia<br />
ise ganviTardeba, rom biZinas arseboba-ararseboba<br />
kiTxvis niSnis<br />
qveS dadgeba, pirveli, vinc mis<br />
winaaRmdeg maxvils awevs, swored<br />
sasamarTlo iqneba!<br />
ivaniSvilma es ar icis da hgonia,<br />
rom Tu sasamarTlo jibeSi<br />
eqneba, xelisuflebas didxans<br />
SeinarCunebs, magram `Sefi~ mcdar<br />
poziciazea!<br />
_ ise, batono valeri, is adami-<br />
anebi, magaliTad, beselia an igive<br />
fofxaZe da sxvebi, anu isini, romlebmac<br />
`ocneba~ sasamarTlos sababiT<br />
datoves, TavianT gancxade-<br />
bebSi gulwrfelebi arian?<br />
_ mainc opoziciaSi arian da<br />
maTi kritika ar minda, magram is<br />
kiTxva, romelsac biZina svams, mar-<br />
Talia, _ Svidi weli aq iyaviT da<br />
am Temaze ratom ar saubrobdiTo?<br />
es Tema, ra Tqma unda, kiTxvis niSnis<br />
qveS dgas. SeiZleba, am amboxs<br />
raRacam Seuwyo xeli.<br />
_ mainc, ram?<br />
_ vTqvaT, maTi rolis daqveiTebam,<br />
magram am mocemulobis winaSe<br />
sami wlis winaTac videqiT da _<br />
xuTisac. ase rom, am sakiTxebis<br />
gaaqtiureba maSinac SeiZleboda,<br />
magram radgan dRes oponentur<br />
mdgomareobaSi arian, procesebis<br />
ganviTarebisTvis, ra Tqma unda,<br />
sjobs, rom ufro Sewyobil mdgomareobaSi<br />
iyvnen, vidre is, rom<br />
kritikis qveS moxvdnen da sazogadoebisTvis<br />
miuRebulebi gaxdnen!<br />
_ gamoricxavT, rom amboxeba<br />
`qarTul ocnebaSi~ ivaniSvilTan<br />
SeTanxmebiT daiwyo?<br />
_ diax, gamovricxav. Tavidan<br />
raRac moCvenebiTobis niSani hqonda,<br />
TamaSi xom ar ariso, magram<br />
12<br />
`ar vici, rogor avxsna, magram prezidenti<br />
zurabiSvili yoveldRe Zireul Secdomebs<br />
uSvebs. am Secdomebs nebismieri axali<br />
xelisufleba Zalian cudad Seufasebs da<br />
moRvaweobas impiCmentiT daasrulebs! rogorc<br />
Cans, Jvania yvelafer amas eubneboda, magram is<br />
ar ismenda an ver igebda. aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
Jvanias erCia, gascloda da is politikuri<br />
pasuxismgebloba ar aekidebina, romelic aseT<br />
dros politikosebs ekisrebaT xolme!~<br />
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aramed daixrCoba!~<br />
advilad ver SeZlebs!<br />
TviTon ivaniSvili is tipaJi ar<br />
aris, rom aseTi moCvenebebi iTama-<br />
Sos!<br />
_ erTi sityviT, is, rac `ocnebaSi~<br />
xdeba, Sida klanuri da-<br />
pirispireba da gavlenebisTvis<br />
brZolaa, Tu qveyanaze realuri<br />
zrunva?<br />
_ ufro ase mgonia: parlamentis<br />
Tavmjdomaris jgufma procesebze<br />
monopolia moindoma, ramac jer<br />
ukmayofileba gamoiwvia, Semdeg ki<br />
_ ganxeTqileba. amis Semdeg yvelafris<br />
mizezis Zebna daiwyes da<br />
saamisod sasamarTlos dakompleqtebis<br />
Tema mSvenivrad gamoadgaT.<br />
_ Tu mmarTvel gundSi dapir-<br />
ispireba am tempiT gagrZelda,<br />
`ocneba~ daiSleba?<br />
_ `ocneba~ formalurad inar-<br />
Cunebs Tavs, Torem arsobrivad ar<br />
arsebobs _ daSlilic aris, waSlilic<br />
da gadaSlilic! yovel SemTxvevaSi,<br />
is niSnebi, rac mmarTvel<br />
gunds unda hqondes, ar gaaCnia, radgan<br />
`ocneba~ politikuri organizacia<br />
ar aris! `ocnebas~ hyavs<br />
rTul ocnebas~ rame monawileoba<br />
mieRos _ am adamianebs wlebia, vicnob<br />
da maTi Sexedulebebic vici.<br />
es TamaSi namdvild ar aris, magram<br />
maT `nacionalur moZraobasTan~<br />
antagonisturi damokidebuleba<br />
aqvT. amis gamo opoziciis gaer-<br />
Tianebul formats ar uerTdebian,<br />
anu raxan opoziciisken ar xar,<br />
es TavisTavad tovebs STabeWdilebas,<br />
rom xelisuflebisken xar. amitom<br />
am eWvebis gasafantad xelisuflebis<br />
sawinaaRmdego aqciebia<br />
saWiro, raTa sazogadoeba<br />
daarwmunos, magram amas rogor<br />
SeZlebs, es ukve meore sakiTxia.<br />
asea Tu ise, rogori eWvic unda<br />
arsebobdes, es partia im bariers<br />
yovelTvis gadalaxavs, romelic<br />
saarCevnod aris dawesebuli.<br />
_ `daicavi saqarTveloc~ am<br />
konteqstSi unda ganvixiloT?<br />
_ ara, `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />
sxvaze meti problema aqvs imitom,<br />
rom Tavidanve Zalian seriozuli<br />
eWvi gaCnda. amas garda, roca raRacebs<br />
ekiTxebian, maT pasuxSic Cans,<br />
rom, jerjerobiT, raRac TamaSi<br />
`qarTuli ocnebis~ interesebSia.<br />
amitom ufro meti Zalisxmeva<br />
dasWirdebaT, rom es eWvi gaaqarwylon.<br />
me Tu `qarTuli ocneba~ ar<br />
momwons, Sen ratom unda momwonde?<br />
_ imisTvis, rom `qarTul ocnebas~<br />
mxars uWer? piriqiT, Senc<br />
ar momwonxar, radgan raRac<br />
farisevlobasa da sicrues vxedav<br />
SenSi. Sesabamisad, am sicrueSi mxars<br />
ar dagiWer.<br />
_ e. i. xelisuflebis mcdelobis<br />
miuxedavad, rogorme radarebidan<br />
gaeqro, mTavari opozici-<br />
uri Zala mainc `nacionaluri<br />
moZraobaa~, ara?<br />
_ vxedavT, rom axal-axali<br />
politikuri Zalebi iqmneba. calcalke<br />
veravin SeZlebs, rom `nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis~ sapirwone<br />
gaxdes, magram Tu es axlad dafu-<br />
Znebuli politikuri Zalebi Se-<br />
Zleben, rom gaerTiandnen rogorc<br />
mesame Zala, maSin SesaZlebloba<br />
eqnebaT, rom barieric damoukideblad<br />
gadalaxon da politikaSi<br />
monawileobac miiRon.<br />
amis resursi imitom arsebobs,<br />
_ verc `ocnebis~ guls moi-<br />
gebs?<br />
_ ara, verc amas gaakeTebs imitom,<br />
rom amiT daiRupeba! `evropul<br />
saqarTvelos~ urCevnia, qronikuli<br />
opoziciuri yofiereba hqondes da<br />
iarsebos, vidre raRac SeRavaTi<br />
erTxel miiRos da amiT mTeli<br />
politikuri momavali daisamaros!<br />
_ ise, kuluarebSi arsebobs<br />
versia, rom `ocnebam~ xelisufle-<br />
ba SesaZloa, swored `evropul<br />
saqarTvelos~ gadaabaros.<br />
_ ara, aseTi versia ar arsebobs.<br />
ubralod, gamigia, baton biZinas<br />
sTavazoben, rom Tu `ocnebis~ rvawliani<br />
mmarTvelobis Semdeg xelisuflebis<br />
mandati opoziciam unda<br />
miiRos, es `nacionaluri moZraoba~<br />
ar unda iyos, magram `evropuli<br />
saqarTvelos~ wevrebi vin<br />
arian? ver vxedav, rom maT xalxis<br />
mxardaWera hqondeT.<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, am mimarTulebiT<br />
rogori mcdelobac unda<br />
iyos, sabolood, yvelaferi mainc<br />
qarTveli xalxis gadasawyv-<br />
aris, piriqiT, JvaniasTvis Rirseuli<br />
nabijia _ gverdiT ki daudga,<br />
magram prezidenti iseT nabijebs<br />
dgams, rom ar SeuZlia, misi partniori<br />
iyos!<br />
_ imasac amboben, zurabiSvili<br />
`ocnebas~ gaemijnao. amis Sesaxeb<br />
kuluarebidan rame gsmeniaT?<br />
_ rogorc meubnebian, zurabiSvili<br />
ki ar ganudga `ocnebas~, aramed<br />
biZina ganudga zurabiSvils _<br />
zurabiSvilma masTan SeuTanxmeblad<br />
somxeTSi viziti da raRac<br />
miRebebi gaakeTa. amaze biZina, rom<br />
ityvian, aijagra da zurabiSvilTan<br />
aRar kontaqtobs!<br />
_ es politikuri procesebi-<br />
sTvis kargia Tu cudi?<br />
_ xelisuflebaSi politikuri<br />
konkurencia sazogadoebisTvis yovelTvis<br />
kargia imitom, rom xelisuflebis<br />
warmomadgenlebi erTmaneTs<br />
akontroleben da kriWaSi udganan.<br />
es gamWvirvaleobasac ajansaRebs<br />
da demokratiasac, magram am<br />
brZolaSi salomes codna ramdenad<br />
`gaqaCavs~, rom jansaRi konkurencia<br />
dainergos, ar vici. man politikis<br />
araferi icis, anbanic ki.<br />
Jvanias rom daenaxa, salomes<br />
politikis raRac unari aqvso,<br />
iqidan ar wamovidoda.<br />
_ bolos, ritorikulad gkiTx-<br />
avT, batono valeri: gveSveleba<br />
rame?<br />
_ ratom ar gveSveleba? usaSvelo<br />
araferia! yvelafers Tavisi simwifis<br />
periodi aqvs da mgonia, rom<br />
`yvela gadawyvetileba,<br />
sabolood, sasamarTlom<br />
unda miiRos da amitom<br />
sasamarTlo jibeSi unda<br />
hyavdes, anu jibis<br />
sasamarTlo unda hqondes,<br />
magram jer ar icis, ra<br />
elis im SemTxvevaSi, roca<br />
igive sasamarTlo<br />
SesaZloa, im ubedurebis<br />
gamsamarTlebeli gaxdes,<br />
rac dRes xdeba~<br />
`Sefi~, romelic fiqrobs, rom es<br />
misi kantoraa da ara _ politikuri<br />
organizacia!<br />
_ batono valeri, aravin icis,<br />
`Sefi~ ras fiqrobs, magram Tqve-<br />
ni dakvirvebiT, yvelaferi es imas<br />
xom ar emsaxureba, rom `Sefma~<br />
situacia vadamdel arCevnebamde<br />
miiyvanos?<br />
_ ar aris gamoricxuli, biZina<br />
ivaniSvili daarwmunon, rom arCevnebis<br />
Catareba axla jobia, vidre<br />
_ momaval wels, radgan momaval<br />
wels xelisuflebas ufro meti<br />
problema eqneba. dRes `ocnebas~,<br />
bunebrivia, ukeTesi mdgomareoba<br />
aqvs.<br />
_ e. i. vadamdeli rom dainiS-<br />
nos, `ocneba~ gamarjvebas SeZlebs<br />
da xelisuflebas SeinarCunebs?<br />
_ gamarjvebas ki ara, poziciis<br />
SenarCunebas SeZlebs, anu, albaT,<br />
koaliciur mTavrobas Seqmnis.<br />
_ koalicia visTan SeiZleba<br />
Seqmnas?<br />
_ magaliTad, `patriotTa aliansTan~.<br />
yovel SemTxvevaSi, vxedav,<br />
rom parlamentSi maTi umravlesobad<br />
Camoyalibeba mSvenivrad Sei-<br />
Zleba.<br />
_ arada, 4 maiss `patriotebi~<br />
antisaxelisuflebo aqciebs iwye-<br />
ben.<br />
_ aqciebs imitom iwyeben, rom<br />
sazogadoebis samizneSi moxvdnen _<br />
gaCnda eWvi, rom biZinas xelisuflebis<br />
gadasarCenad TanamSromloben.<br />
amitom es eWvi rom gamoiricxos,<br />
aqciebia saWiro, Tumca piradad<br />
me ar mgonia, rom am politikuri<br />
organizaciis SeqmnaSi `qa-<br />
da finansuri uzrunvelyofa arsebobs.<br />
yovel SemTxvevaSi, aseTi<br />
STabeWdileba rCeba. yvelafer amis<br />
damtkiceba an uaryofa Tavad moundebaT,<br />
anu biZina ivaniSvilis mimarT<br />
kritikas eridebian da ratomac<br />
eridebian, albaT, gasagebia.<br />
adamianma ivaniSvilTan rogori<br />
garigebac unda dados, im TamaSis<br />
wesebs ar iRebs, roca akritikeben,<br />
lanZRaven da agineben!<br />
kidev erTi sakiTxi: roca ekiTxebian,<br />
Tu parlamentSi moxvdebiT,<br />
aseT dros koaliciaSi SexvalT Tu<br />
arao? isini pasuxoben, _ `nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis~ garda koalicia-<br />
Si yvelasTan SevalTo. es `yvela~<br />
vin aris? dRes `yvela~ aRar arsebobs,<br />
anu es xalxi winaswar ambobs,<br />
Tu parlamentSi Seval, `qarTul<br />
ocnebasTan~ viqnebio. es ki imas ni-<br />
Snavs, rom am moZraobis arseboba<br />
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rom sazogadoebis nawili arc `nacionalur<br />
moZraobas~ uWers mxars<br />
da arc _ `qarTul ocnebas~, magram<br />
am politikuri Zalebis formirebis<br />
procesi ar dasrulebula.<br />
_ mTel am konfiguraciaSi<br />
`evropuli saqarTvelo~ xom ar<br />
Seitans gardatexas?<br />
_ ara, `evropul saqarTvelos~<br />
iseTi eleqtorati ar hyavs,<br />
romelmac politikur procesebSi<br />
gardatexa unda Seitanos.<br />
_ SeiZleba, magram saqme saqmeze<br />
rom midges, `evropuli saqarTvelo~<br />
`qarTuli ocnebis~ poli-<br />
tikur TamaSs xom ar daiwyebs?<br />
_ es azri bevrgan momismenia,<br />
magram `evropuli saqarTveloc~<br />
`nacionaluri moZraoba~, anu warsulis<br />
gadmonaSTia. mas reabilitaciisTvis<br />
wlebi sWirdeba. is qarTveli<br />
xalxis gulis mogebas ase<br />
etia. ase advili ar aris, rom xalxma<br />
bokeria daisvas.<br />
_ kidev erTi Tema, batono<br />
valeri: am dReebSi Tanamdeboba<br />
prezidentis administraciis uf-<br />
rosma laSa Jvaniam datova. prez-<br />
identis karzec ganxeTqilebaa?<br />
_ laSa Jvania gamocdili<br />
kadria.<br />
_ diax, magram es ra SuaSia?<br />
_ is ministric iyo, diplomatic<br />
da opoziciac, anu qarTuli<br />
politikis yvela safexuri gaiara.<br />
laSa JvaniasTvis politika iseTi<br />
anbani aRar aris, romelic unda iswavlos<br />
_ icis, ras ra mosdevs.<br />
ar vici, rogor avxsna, magram<br />
prezidenti zurabiSvili yoveldRe<br />
Zireul Secdomebs uSvebs. am<br />
Secdomebs nebismieri axali xelisufleba<br />
Zalian cudad Seufasebs<br />
da moRvaweobas impiCmentiT<br />
daasrulebs!<br />
rogorc Cans, Jvania yvelafer<br />
amas eubneboda, magram is ar ismenda<br />
an ver igebda. aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
Jvanias erCia, gascloda da is<br />
politikuri pasuxismgebloba ar<br />
aekidebina, romelic aseT dros<br />
politikosebs ekisrebaT xolme!<br />
es gadawyvetileba tragedia ar<br />
es procesic momwifebas ucdis da<br />
cotaRa darCa, saboloo nayofi rom<br />
miviRoT! es cota dro, rac darCenilia,<br />
`qarTuli ocnebis~ wisqvilze<br />
namdvild ar asxams wyals.<br />
_ mesmis, magram am socialur<br />
gaWirvebas xalxi rodemde ga-<br />
uZlebs?<br />
_ xalxi iZulebuli gaxdeba,<br />
rom gadarCenisTvis brZola daiwyos!<br />
rogorc ki opoziciis gaer-<br />
Tianeba daiwyeba, quCis procesebs<br />
gadamwyveti mniSvneloba eqneba _<br />
maSin vnaxavT, xalxs vis mimarT ra<br />
damokidebuleba aqvs.<br />
mokled, mgonia, rom qveynis<br />
beds arCevnebi ki ara, quCa gadawyvets!<br />
_ mSvidobian revolucias elo-<br />
debiT?<br />
_ Tu xelisuflebam Tofi aiRo,<br />
maSin amas TviTon gadahyveba!<br />
`ocneba~ politikuri gundi ar aris, romelsac<br />
mkveTri orientacia, mimarTuleba da calsaxa<br />
ideologia aqvs. `ocneba~ raRacis kompilacia,<br />
anu Sexedulebebis mixedviT Sekrebili<br />
adamianebis gundi ki ara, ufro krebaa, sadac<br />
Riad amboben, Cveni Sefis morCilebi varTo~<br />
_ quCis aqciebs rodisTvis<br />
varaudobT?<br />
_ es SeiZleba, welsve iyos. yovel<br />
SemTxvevaSi, velodebi, rom Semodgoma<br />
mZime da sakmaod daZabuli<br />
iqneba. imas vnaxavT, rac bevrjer<br />
gvinaxavs!<br />
saerTod, yvelaferi, rac winaaRmdegobiT<br />
moipoveba, kargia!<br />
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pankisSi ganviTarebul movle-<br />
nebTan dakavSirebiT mediasa da<br />
socialur qselebSi araerTi mosazreba<br />
gamoiTqva. `qronika+~ gTa-<br />
vazobT intervius JurnalistTan<br />
da analitikos daTo gamcemliZesTan,<br />
romelic miiCnevs, rom `he-<br />
sis mSenebloba~ sababi iyo qarT-<br />
uli saxelmwifos dasamcireblad.<br />
_ mxolod hesis mSeneblobis<br />
gamo daiZaba viTareba pankisSi da<br />
es dapirispireba moxda, Tu sxva<br />
mizezebic aris?<br />
_ hesis mSenebloba mxolod sababia.<br />
is, rac pankisis xeobaSi moxda,<br />
aris amJamindeli xelisuflebis<br />
TvalsaCino, yvelaze didi marcxi<br />
2012 wlis Semdeg. araferi ise<br />
ar anadgurebs mmarTvel gunds,<br />
rogorc sajarod, xilulad gamoCenili<br />
dabneuloba da sisuste. 2012<br />
wels saakaSvilis mTavroba damarcxda<br />
ara uSualod `cixis kadrebis~<br />
gamo, aramed imis Sedegad, rom<br />
am videokadrTa gamoqveynebis Semdeg<br />
igi aSkarad daibna da sisuste<br />
gamoiCina xalxis TvalSi.<br />
bunebrivia, am SemTxvevaSi `ocnebis~<br />
xelisuflebam gamaognebeli<br />
araprofesionalizmi, gauTvleloba<br />
da arakompetenturoba gamoamJRavna,<br />
magram bevrad samwuxaro,<br />
arsebiTi da mniSvnelovani isaa,<br />
rom ara mxolod konkretuli<br />
mTavroba damarcxda, aramed damarcxda<br />
saqarTvelos saxelmwifoc!<br />
_ Zalian mkacri Sefasebaa, ras<br />
gulisxmob?<br />
_ aRmoCnda, rom saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifos suvereniteti ar vrceldeba<br />
qveynis kidev erT teritoriaze!<br />
mecnierebi Sua saukuneebidan<br />
msjeloben da kamaToben imaze, ra<br />
aris suvereniteti. Cemi azriT, yvelaze<br />
zusti formula Semdegia:<br />
`suvereniteti aris xelisuflebisa<br />
da Zalauflebis erToba qveynis<br />
mTel teritoriaze~. anu suvereniteti<br />
aris saxelmwifos unari,<br />
qveynis teritoriaze nebismier SemTxvevaSi<br />
ganaxorcielos Zalaufleba,<br />
e. i. SeinarCunos saxelmwifos<br />
mTavari Tviseba: `monopolia<br />
Zalaze~.<br />
es imas niSnavs, rom saxelmwifom<br />
Tu miiRo gadawyvetileba, man es<br />
gadawyvetileba aucileblad unda<br />
ganaxorcielos. Tu ver axorcielebs,<br />
Tu masTan dapirispirebuli<br />
Zala ufro `Ronieri~ aRmo-<br />
Cnda, sajarod daamcira da daCagra,<br />
es saxelmwifo aRar aris!<br />
zogierTs parizis movlenebi<br />
mohyavs magaliTad: `ra moxda mere<br />
_ ai, naxeT, iqac xdeba Setakebebi<br />
policiasa da demonstrantebs<br />
Soris, orive mxridan arian daSavebulni,<br />
zogjer policia ukanac<br />
ixevs da a. S~.<br />
_ realurad xom asea, sa-<br />
frangeTis xelisuflebam ukve<br />
ramdeni xania, veraferi mouxerxa<br />
`yviTel Jiletebs~...<br />
_ ara, batono, is rac pankisSi<br />
moxda, Cven Tvalwin, sul sxvaa da<br />
ai, ratom: frangi `yviTeli Jiletebi~<br />
amJamad boboqar protests<br />
gamoTqvamen imis gamo, rom miliardi<br />
evro gamoiyo `RvTismSoblis<br />
taZris~ aRsadgenad maSin, roca<br />
`uamravi adamiani SimSilobs, usaxlkarodaa~<br />
da a. S. protestis gamosaxatavad<br />
isini awyoben demonstraciebs,<br />
arbeven maRaziebs, qvebs<br />
esvrian policias, iyeneben `molo-<br />
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`maTi mizani iyo saqarTvelos<br />
ara misi araprofesionaluri, gau<br />
armaz metreveli<br />
tovis koqteilebs~, policiac iyenebs<br />
Zalas da a. S.<br />
magram, aba, erTi gabedon am<br />
`yviTelma Jiletebma~ da fizikuri<br />
ZaliT scadon, xeli SeuSalon saxelmwifos<br />
gadawyvetilebas, aRadginos<br />
taZari, anu alya Seamoartyan<br />
notr-dams, ar SeuSvan iq restavratorebi<br />
da a. S.<br />
garwmunebT, am SemTxvevaSi safrangeTis<br />
saxelmwifo mTel mis<br />
suverenul Zlevamosilebas gamoiyenebs,<br />
raTa ar dauSvas saxelmwifoebrivi<br />
umweobis demonstrireba,<br />
misi rogorc saxelmwifos<br />
damcireba da uZlurebis sajaro<br />
dadasrtureba, miRebuli gadawyvetilebis<br />
sajarod verSesruleba<br />
uRonobis gamo, anu, mTlianoba-<br />
Si, suverenitetis darRveva. ukve<br />
miRebuli gadawyvetilebis `verSesruleba~<br />
aris saxelmwifoebriobis<br />
ngrevis dasawyisi da suverenitetis<br />
eliminacia, radgan mecnierebi<br />
imaze ki msjeloben dRemde,<br />
Tu ra aris suvereniteti, magram<br />
erTze arian SeTanxmebulni:<br />
`sanaxevro~ an `nawilobrivi~ suvereniteti<br />
ar arsebobs. suvereniteti<br />
an arsebobs mTlianad, ganuyoflad,<br />
an ar arsebobs mTlianad~.<br />
es aris misi arsi.<br />
zustad am mizans, anu saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifos sajarod damcireba-dabeCavebas,<br />
misi suverenitetis<br />
SebRalvas isaxavdnen miznad<br />
pankisis xeobaSi dabudebuli antisaxelmwifoebrivi<br />
Zalebi, romlebic<br />
xeobaSi myof mSvidobian mosaxleobas,<br />
maT Soris, loialur,<br />
patriot moqalaqeebs iyeneben `cocxal<br />
masalad~ antisaxelmwifoebrivi<br />
miznis gansaxorcieleblad.<br />
ra Tqma unda, es Zalebi moqmedebdnen<br />
kadirovis CeCneTisa da maSasadame<br />
ruseTis `zurgiT~.<br />
vimeoreb: maTi mizani iyo saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifos sajarod<br />
damcireba, misi sajarod, Tvalsa-<br />
Cinod damarcxeba am regionSi, sajarod,<br />
demonstraciulad abuCad<br />
agdeba. xolo `hesis mSenebloba~,<br />
mxolod da mxolod, sababia. ar<br />
iqneboda `hesi~? _ sxva sababs ipovidnen.<br />
adre Tu gvian, aucileblad<br />
ipovidnen, raki am ZalTa mizani<br />
iyo saqarTvelos saxelmwifos,<br />
rogorc aseTis, dasja misi<br />
damcireba-abuCad agdebiT.<br />
samwuxarod, am borot mizans<br />
antisaxelmwifoebrivma Zalebma<br />
srulad miaRwies: saqarTvelos saxelmwifo<br />
sajarod daamcires, abuCad<br />
aigdes, am teritoriaze misi<br />
suverenitetis ararseboba daadastures.<br />
_ faqtia, rom saxelmwifom, am<br />
SemTxvevaSi, policiam, ar gamoiy-<br />
ena mTeli Tavisi Zala...<br />
_ rac Seexeba am mosazrebas,<br />
rom `saqarTvelos saxelmwifom ar<br />
gamoiyena mTeli Tavisi Zala, Tor-<br />
_ iqneb, daakonkreto, ras<br />
gulisxmob?<br />
_ ratomRac, yvelas `daaviwyda~,<br />
rom pankisis xeoba swored is regionia,<br />
sadac arsebobs `politikuri<br />
islamis~, `religiuri fanatizmis~,<br />
`vahabizmisa~ da `salafizmis~<br />
ukiduresad radikaluri mimarTulebebis<br />
Zalze seriozuli<br />
problema; aseve yvelas `daaviwyda~,<br />
rom am regionidan uamravi<br />
eqstremisti gaemgzavra Savbneli<br />
`islamuri saxelmwifos~ droSis<br />
qveS saomrad. am mxriv, lamis, msoflio<br />
liderebi arian da im teroristuli<br />
`saxelmwifos~ Zalismieri<br />
`stafic~ daakompleqtes `Tavdacvis<br />
ministridan~ dawyebuli;<br />
yvelas `daaviwyda~, rom pankisis<br />
xeoba, arc Tu ise didi xnis win,<br />
CeCnuri samoqalaqo separatizmis<br />
erT-erTi centri iyo da iq jer<br />
kidev ruslan gilaevis epoqidan _<br />
frTxilad vityvi _ aRuricxavi<br />
iaraRis problemac arsebobs; aseve<br />
aravin miaqcia yuradReba, rom<br />
rodesac CeCnurma samoqalaqo separatizmma,<br />
ramzan kadirovis saxiT,<br />
miaRwia istoriul kompromiss kremlTan<br />
da mis `Cafrad~ iqca (gavixsenoT,<br />
ramdeni CeCeni ibrZoda<br />
donbasze ukrainis winaaRmdeg), es<br />
kompromisi pankisis xeobasac exeboda,<br />
anu pankiseli elitebic SeuerTnen<br />
am putin-kadirovis istoriul<br />
kompromiss da ramzan kadirovis,<br />
maSasadame, kremlis loialurni<br />
gaxdnen.<br />
groznosa da moskovSi ki yuradRebiT<br />
adevnebdnen Tvalyurs<br />
procesebs. adgilobriv mosaxleobas,<br />
adamianuri da sxva kontaqtebis<br />
TvalsazrisiT, CeCneTTan, e. i.<br />
ruseTTan, ufro mWidro kontaqti<br />
aqvs, vidre danarCen saqarTve-<br />
daTo gamcemliZe:<br />
`ar iqneboda `hesi~?<br />
_ sxva sababs<br />
ipovidnen. adre Tu<br />
gvian, aucileblad<br />
ipovidnen...~<br />
`zustad am mizans, anu saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifos sajarod damcireba-dabeCavebas,<br />
misi suverenitetis SebRalvas isaxavdnen<br />
miznad pankisis xeobaSi dabudebuli<br />
antisaxelmwifoebrivi Zalebi, romlebic<br />
xeobaSi myof mSvidobian mosaxleobas, maT<br />
Soris, loialur, patriot moqalaqeebs<br />
iyeneben `cocxal masalad~<br />
antisaxelmwifoebrivi miznis<br />
gansaxorcieleblad. ra Tqma unda, es Zalebi<br />
moqmedebdnen kadirovis CeCneTisa da<br />
maSasadame ruseTis `zurgiT~<br />
em...~ _ es Cven ar viciT: Tu saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifo met Zalas<br />
gamoiyenebda, maSin mowinaaRmdege<br />
antisaxelmwifoebriv Zalebsac Se-<br />
ZloT, `meti Zala~ gamoeyenebinaT.<br />
aki gviTxres pirdapir eTerSi: Tu<br />
rezinis tyviebis srolas ganagr-<br />
Zoben, qvebis nacvlad SeiZleba,<br />
Cvengan sxva ramec wamovideso.<br />
anu vimeoreb, _ Cven ar viciT,<br />
SeZlebda Tu ara saqarTvelos saxelmwifo<br />
Tavisi suverenitetis<br />
ganxorcielebas, e. i. miRebuli<br />
gadawyvetilebis ganxorcielebas<br />
Tu met Zalas gamoiyenebda, radgan<br />
`met Zalas~ SeiZleba `meti<br />
Zala~ dapirispireboda, rogorc<br />
dagvemuqren.<br />
_ anu ra xdeba?<br />
_ dRevandeli mdgomareobiT<br />
Cven zustad mxolod is viciT, rac<br />
TvalnaTliv vnaxeT: saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifom miiRo gadawyvetileba<br />
da am gadawyvetilebis aRsruleba<br />
fizikurad ver SeZlo, raki<br />
Zala ar eyo! morCa! es imas niSnavs,<br />
rom iq saqarTvelos suvereniteti<br />
ar vrceldeba.<br />
_ sruliad legitimuria dRev-<br />
andeli mTavrobis kritika: rom<br />
ara misi araprofesionaluri, gau-<br />
Tvleli, arakompetenturi qmedebebi,<br />
e. i., rom ara mcdeloba, ae-<br />
Senebina hesi, arc araferi moxde-<br />
boda...<br />
_ ki batono, magram amiT arsi<br />
ar icvleba: ubralod, sajarod ar<br />
dadasturdeboda is, rac am movlenebis<br />
Sedegad `gamoCnda~ da Cven<br />
ase TvalsaCinod, ase TvalanTliv<br />
ver davinaxavdiT sazarel realobas:<br />
am teritoriaze saqarTvelos<br />
suvereniteti ar vrceldeba. Sesabamisad,<br />
iurisdiqciac vrceldeba,<br />
mxolod da mxolod, imdenad, ramdenadac<br />
mas, jerjerobiT, `nebas<br />
rTaven~ xsenebuli antisaxelmwifoebrivi<br />
Zalebi, romlebic adgilobriv<br />
mSvidobian mosaxleobas<br />
`iyeneben~. vTqvaT ase _ `politkoreqtulad~,<br />
`hesi~ ki namdvilad sababia<br />
da ara _ mizezi. miT umetes<br />
mizani.<br />
_ pankisTan da ganviTarebul<br />
movlenebTan dakavSirebiT gaisma:<br />
ruseTi, ruseTumeebi. ramdenad<br />
realuria ruseTis interesebi<br />
xeobaSi?<br />
_ xsenebuli gegmis, e. i.<br />
saqarTvelos saxelmwifos sajarod<br />
dasamcireblad, saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifoze Suris saZieblad, antisaxelmwifoebriv<br />
Zalebs pankisis<br />
xeobaSi aucileblad sWirdebodaT<br />
da rogorc yovelTvis,<br />
brwyinvaled gamoiyenes Cveneburi<br />
`sasargeblo idiotebi~. zogadad,<br />
`sasargeblo idiotTa~ legioni,<br />
romelic saqarTveloSi, tradiciulad,<br />
Zalze mravalricxovania, am<br />
qveynis yvelaze didi ubedurebaa<br />
damoukideblobis dRidan _ dRemde.<br />
zogierT komentars rom vusmen,<br />
amaSi sabolood vrwmundebi.<br />
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losTan.<br />
swored amitom sjobda, mTavrobas<br />
es garemoebebi gaeTvaliswinebina,<br />
daemala samarcxvino realoba<br />
da arc ki ecada gadawyvetilebis<br />
ganxorcieleba iq, sadac saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifos suvereniteti,<br />
rogorc aRmoCnda, ar vrceldeba.<br />
amiT ar Seeqmna saxifaTo<br />
sababi gareSe CarevisTvis. aTasobiT<br />
`boeviki~ kadirovs saamisod<br />
mzad hyavs.<br />
_ CvenTvis cnobilia, da axsene<br />
kidec, rom araerTi pankiseli<br />
monawileobda siriaSi mimdinare<br />
procesebSi. aris Tu ara SesaZle-<br />
beli, `dabrunebulebs~ hqondeT<br />
raime saxis interesebi da ra sax-<br />
is SeiZleba iyos es interesi?<br />
_ zemoT vTqvi, antisaxelmwifoebriv<br />
Zalebs `saqarTvelos saxelmwifos<br />
dasja~ undodaT-meTqi<br />
misi sajarod damcireba-SeuracxyofiT<br />
da suverenitetis dangreviT.<br />
bunebrivia, gaCndeba kiTxva:<br />
ratom? riT arian ukmayofilo?<br />
_ ho, sruliad gulwrfeli<br />
kiTxvaa, _ ratom?<br />
_ pirvel rigSi, swored imiT<br />
arian ukmayofiloni, rom saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifo xels uSlis<br />
siria-eraySi samarTlianad Cakluli<br />
`islamuri saxelmwifodan~<br />
ukan, pankisis xeobaSi `boevikebis~<br />
Tavisufal, usafrTxo, dausjel<br />
dabrunebas; apatimrebs TviT xeobaSi<br />
`islamuri saxelmwifos~ mimdevrebs,<br />
aviwroebs kriminalebs,<br />
romlebic arcTu ise didi xnis win<br />
Tbilisidan itacebdnen biznesmenebs<br />
gamosasyidis moTxovniT; cdi-<br />
lobs, gaakontrolos kontaqtebi<br />
kadirovis CeCneTTan saqarTvelos<br />
danarCeni teritoriis, maT Soris,<br />
saqarTvelos samxedro gzis gavliT<br />
_ zamTrobiT da a. S.<br />
bunebrivia, didi roli Seasrula<br />
2017 wlis tragediam, rodesac<br />
qarTveli specrazmelis gasrolas<br />
pankisSi specoperaciisas, axalgazrdis<br />
sikvdili moyva. xolo TviT<br />
es specoperacia panskisSi ramdenime<br />
kviriT adre, Tbilisis Rarib-<br />
Ratak, magram mSvidobian raionSi<br />
mowyobil sasaklaos moyva, rodesac<br />
fanatikosebma miiCnies, rom<br />
momavali SurisZiebis SiSiT, saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifo ver gabedavda,<br />
maTTvis TbilisSi xeli exlo,<br />
miuxedavad saerTaSoriso valdebulebebisa.<br />
ai, am ukmayofilebam gadmoxeTqa<br />
bolo movlenebSi da samwuxarod,<br />
gamouvidaT saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifos dasja misi sajaro<br />
damcirebiT!<br />
`hesi~ mxolod, `sababia~ _ erTgvari<br />
`kazus belli~.<br />
_ cxadia, rom pankisi denTis<br />
kasric aris. iyo periodi, rodesac<br />
xelisufleba verc ki akon-<br />
trolebda am regions da Tundac<br />
CrdiloeTidan momdinare muqarebi<br />
im droisTvis mizezad aq arse-<br />
bul teroristebs asaxelebda.<br />
ramdenad aris SesaZlebeli ara<br />
mxolod muqarebis ganmeoreba,<br />
aramed amJamad wynari regionis<br />
isev areva?<br />
_ es regioni `wynari~ iyo imdenad,<br />
ramdenadac `wynaria~ denTis<br />
kasri. yvelaferi SesaZlebelia, Tu<br />
xelisufleba met profesionalizmsa<br />
da kompetenturobas ar gamoamJRavnebs.<br />
problemis misaCumaTeblad<br />
`mglis Tavze saxarebis<br />
kiTxva~, `meti komfortis~ Seqmna,<br />
miuxedavad `sasargeblo idiotTa~<br />
gavrcelebuli azrisa, problemas<br />
ki ar Seamsubuqebs, aramed, piriqiT,<br />
daamZimebs da antisaxelmwifoebrivi<br />
intenciis Zalebs kidev<br />
ufro gaaTavxedebs. strategia ara<br />
`meti komforti~, aramed `naklebi<br />
komforti~ unda iyos yvela Tval-<br />
saxelmwifos sajarod damcireba~<br />
sazrisiT. gamgebi gaigebs, rasac<br />
vgulisxmob. sxvebisTvis axsnas<br />
azri ar aqvs. isini darCebian `sasargeblo<br />
idiotebis~ mdgomareoba-<br />
Si. kacobriobis istoriam ki daamtkica,<br />
rom es ar ikurneba.<br />
_ cxadia, rom xelisuflebebi<br />
ara mxolod am sakiTxze, aramed<br />
uamrav sxva sakiTxze ver axerxebs<br />
interaqcias xalxTan. ramdenad<br />
azianebs es viTareba mTlianad xe-<br />
lisuflebas da saxelmwifoebriv<br />
procesebs?<br />
_ ara `pasportiT~, aramed `guliT~<br />
saqarTvelos moqalaqeebTan<br />
interaqcia SesaZlebelia. magram<br />
SeuZlebelia interaqcia im antisaxelmwifoebriv<br />
ZalebTan, romlebic<br />
ara saqarTveloze, aramed<br />
sxva qveynis regionze arian orientirebulni,<br />
ucxo qveynidan imar-<br />
Tebian da visTvisac `hesi~ mxolod<br />
sababi iyo, xolo realuri intencia<br />
_ antiqarTuli boRmis gadmonTxeva,<br />
saqarTvelos saxelmwifos<br />
damarcxeba misi sajaro damcirebiT.<br />
politkoreqtuloba ki moiTxovs,<br />
magram Tavs nu movityuebT.<br />
_ weliwadze metia, xelisufl-<br />
ebas mZime tvirTad awevs Temir-<br />
lan maCalikaSvilis saqme. ramdenad<br />
sasargebloa xelisufleb-<br />
isTvis ase damokles maxviliviT<br />
dakidebuli saqme da ra aris<br />
saukeTeso gamosavali?<br />
_ am saqmidan araTu `saukeTeso~,<br />
aramed `kargi~ gamosavali ar<br />
arsebobs, radgan `gamosavlad~ namdvilad<br />
ver CaiTvleba im specrazmelze<br />
`xelis Sewmenda~, misi saxelisa<br />
da gvaris gamoqveyneba, anu<br />
samizned qceva, vinc is sabediswero<br />
gasrola ganaxorciela.<br />
opozicia dRes ramdensac ar<br />
unda yvirodes, eWvi mepareba, saqarTvelos<br />
nebismierma axalma mTavrobam<br />
an axalma xelisuflebam gabedos<br />
mTavari moTxovnis Sesruleba<br />
da im specrazmelis saxelisa<br />
da gvaris gamoqveyneba, vinc gasrola<br />
ganaxorciela.<br />
_ dabolos, ramdenad aris<br />
SesaZlebeli pankisis movlenebis<br />
rezonireba an misi qvecnobierSi<br />
daleqva _ Senaxva sasurvel drom-<br />
de, Tundac kavkasionis gadaRma?<br />
_ samwuxarod, ukve gaakeTes Tavisi<br />
gasakeTebeli: moaxdines imis<br />
demonstrireba, rom im regionSi<br />
saqarTvelos suvereniteti ar vrceldeba.<br />
iurisdiqciac vrceldeba<br />
mxolod nawilobriv da `garkveul<br />
dromde~... sanam nebas rTaven<br />
da sWirdebaT. ai, es realoba `dafiqsirda~,<br />
xolo masobriv qvecnobierSi<br />
is `daileqa~, rom saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifos, rame rom iyos,<br />
iolad daCagraven.<br />
rasakvirvelia, vlaparakob, antisaxelmwifoebriv<br />
Zalebze da ara<br />
pankisis mTel mosaxleobaze _ miyvars<br />
politkoreqtuloba. Tumca,<br />
rogorc aRmoCnda, swored es Zalebi<br />
akontroleben iq bevr rames<br />
da `qmnian aminds~.<br />
maTi gavlenis realuri moSoreba-amoSanTva<br />
da suverenitetis aRdgena<br />
`komfortis SemcirebiT~ da<br />
ara `komfortis gazrdiT~ saqar-<br />
Tvelos saxelmwifos grZelvadiani<br />
amocanaa.<br />
me-11 gverdidan<br />
- magram amas ver izamda, amitom, savaraudod,<br />
radgan uzenaes sasamarTlos mouwevda,<br />
ZalaSi daetovebina qveda instanciebis<br />
gadawyvetileba, rac ar Sedioda batoni kbilaSvilisa<br />
da mosarCele mxaris intereseb-<br />
Si, maT saqmis gawelvisa da bizensisTvis damatebiTi<br />
zianis miyenebis gadawyvetileba miiRes.<br />
am etapze imis Tqma SeiZleba, rom batoni<br />
kbilaSvilisa da uzenaesi sasamarTlos-<br />
Tvis sakuTrebis keTilsindisieri SeZena da<br />
floba arafers niSnavs, roca maT interesebsa<br />
Tu gavlenis qveS moqcevazea saubari.<br />
vimeoreb: SeuZlebeli gaxldaT, es saqme uzenaesi<br />
sasamarTlodan ise dabrunebuliyo,<br />
rom seriozuli Careva ar momxdariyo.<br />
_ ramdenadac vxvdebi, uzenaesi sasa-<br />
marTlo, samarTlebrivad, sakmaod uxeSi<br />
precedentis avtori xdeba?<br />
_ saqme mxolod daabruna da amis gamo es<br />
msubuqi Sefasebaa. uzenaesma sasamarTlom<br />
bizness miutevebeli dartyma miayena. 2004<br />
wlidan dRemde am obieqtze 30-mde uZravi<br />
qonebis gasxvisebis tranzaqcia moxda. axla<br />
Tqven warmoidgineT mocemuloba, rom yidulobT<br />
uZrav qonebas, mere modis aTi wlis<br />
winandeli mesakuTre da geubnebaT, _ marTalia,<br />
TqvenTan ar mqonia urTierToba, magram<br />
aTi wlis win viRacam me damazarala da amis<br />
gamo qoneba unda damibrunoT. Tan im garigebaze<br />
aris xelmowera. es yvelaferi moxda<br />
xelSekrulebebiT da yovelma Semdgoma<br />
mesakuTrem saTanadod ixeira. aq ar gvaqvs<br />
mocemuloba, rodesac viRacam uari Tqva<br />
sakuTrebaze, aramed yvela gayidva nebayoflobiT<br />
moxda. axla viRacas is fasi ar moswons,<br />
radac gayida da mas unda daubrundes<br />
qoneba? mxolod Cven konkretul tranzaqciaSi<br />
_ SeZenaSi, biujetSi 1 milioni gvaqvs<br />
gadaxdili. anu, ra gamodis, biujetis CaTvliT<br />
yvelam sargebeli naxa da, Turme, axlandelma<br />
mesakuTrem qoneba unda daubrunos<br />
imas, visganac igi ar SeuZenia da aranairi<br />
Semxebloba ar hqonia?<br />
_ e. i. uzenaesma sasamarTlom biznesi<br />
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arCil Tabagari:<br />
`sasamarTlo sakuTar<br />
reputacias, biznessa da<br />
kerZo sakuTrebas<br />
safrTxis qveS ayenebs~<br />
safrTxis qveS daayena?<br />
_ diax da Tqva, rom bizness aranairad<br />
ar daicavs sajaro reestris mier gacemuli<br />
amonaweri.<br />
_ saqmeSi `saqarTvelos banki~ CarTuli<br />
gyavT?<br />
_ diax da gaognebulni arian. isinic,<br />
Tavis mxriv, keTilsindisieri myidvelebi<br />
iyvnen, magram uzenaesi sasamarTlos mimarT<br />
biznesis mTavari pretenzia is gaxlavT,<br />
rom man ar gadawyvita biznesdava. ar Sei-<br />
Zleba, sasamarTlom amdeni xani amyofos<br />
biznesi davaSi, radgan dro biznesis sawinaaRmdegod<br />
muSaobs. sasamarTlo davis arseboba<br />
da biznesis ganviTareba erTad ar<br />
xdeba _ arsad msoflioSi. sasamarTlo dainteresebuli<br />
unda iyos, rom biznesdavebi<br />
male daasrulos da Tu mtyuania, gamoitanos<br />
Sesabamisi dadgenileba, Tu marTalia<br />
_ gaamarTlos. amave dros, sasamarTlom<br />
kerZo sakuTrebis instituti qaRaldze<br />
daweril cnebad aqcia. dabolos: warmoudgeneli<br />
ram, _ uzenaesma sasamarTlom Tqva,<br />
rom rodesac Sedixar kompaniaSi, ara mxolod<br />
unda Seiswavlo qonebis samarTlebrivi<br />
statusi, aramed direqtorebis keTilsindisierebac.<br />
warmogidgeniaT, ra xdeba?<br />
_ ukacravad, ver mivxdi„<br />
_ anu Tqven Tu romelime warmatebul<br />
kompaniaSi aqciebs SeiZenT da mere aRmoCndeba,<br />
rom am kompaniis romelime direqtori,<br />
Turme, arakeTilsindisieri yofila, Tqven<br />
xelT SegrCebaT Sps-s wesdebis qaRaldi<br />
qonebis gareSe. warmogidgeniaT, ra precedenti<br />
dauSva? anu sasamarTlom gviTxra, rom<br />
iuridiuli piri fiqciaa. am dros me imitom<br />
vyidulob kompaniis aqciebs, rom im qonebis<br />
interesi maqvs da ara Sps-s wesdebis.<br />
_ warmoudgenlad meCveneba, garedan,<br />
interesis gareSe, uzenaes sasamarTlosa<br />
da saapelacios, saqmis aseTi gaWianurebiT,<br />
dartyma mieyenebinaT sasamarTlos repu-<br />
taciisTvis„<br />
_ diax, asea, magram vimeoreb: sasamarTlo<br />
sakuTar reputacias, biznessa da kerZo<br />
sakuTrebas safrTxis qveS ayenebs.<br />
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`qronika+~-s<br />
`Tavisufali<br />
demokratebis~ politikuri mdi-<br />
vani, nino goguaZe esaubreba:<br />
_ qalbatono nino, Cveni saub-<br />
ari daviwyoT aqtualuri TemiT:<br />
riT axsniT `Tavisufali demokratebisa~<br />
da `evropuli saqarTve-<br />
los~ TanamSromlobas, radgan<br />
sazogadoebaSi araerTi SekiTxva<br />
gaCnda. mogexsenebaT, swored sandro<br />
girgvlianis ojaxis advoka-<br />
ti gaxldaT Salva SavguliZe.<br />
_ am sakiTxs ramdenime punqtad<br />
davyof da yvelafers giambobT.<br />
Cven didxans vibrZodiT `nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis~ winaaRmdeg. jer<br />
me, rogorc moqalaqe, ise vibrZodi<br />
da yvela aqciaze viyavi, mere<br />
`Tavisufali demokratebis~ partiaSi<br />
Sevedi, sadac me da Salva<br />
SavguliZe irakli alasanias gundis<br />
damfuZneblebi viyaviT, Semdeg<br />
biZina ivaniSvilis `qarTul ocnebaSi~<br />
gaverTiandiT da Zalian<br />
kargad maxsovs, Tu ra dapirebiT<br />
movediT xelisuflebaSi. garda<br />
imisa, rom mosaxleobis umetesobas<br />
siRaribisgan Tavis daRwevis perspeqtiva<br />
hqonda, Zalian kargad<br />
maxsovs, rom mTavari dapirebebi<br />
iyo demokratiuli, samarTleblivi<br />
saxelmwifos mSenebloba. `nacionalebis~<br />
xelisufleba Zalian<br />
represiuli iyo. CemTvis demokratiuli<br />
saxelmwifos mTavari Rirebuleba<br />
aris adamiani, misi uflebebi,<br />
sicocxle da keTildReoba.<br />
diax, Cven Zalian mZime, rTuli,<br />
msoflmxedvelobrivi da fizikuri<br />
dapirispireba gvqonda `nacionalur~<br />
moZraobasTan da maT Soris,<br />
is adamianebi, romlebic dRes `evropul<br />
saqarTveloSi~ arian, mixeil<br />
saakaSvilis mmarTvelobas warmoadgendnen.<br />
2012 wlis mere isini<br />
Zalauflebas CamoSordnen. principSi,<br />
es aris erTaderTi gundi,<br />
romelsac gamocdileba aqvs.<br />
_ gamocdilebaSi ras gulisx-<br />
mobT?<br />
_ roca Zalauflebas CamoSordebi<br />
da mere Cveulebrivi adamiani<br />
xdebi, iseve gexeba adamianis uflebebi,<br />
rogorc yvela danarCens.<br />
Tuki biZina ivaniSvilis mmarTvelobas<br />
davakvirdebiT, Zveli `nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis~ warmomadgenlebze<br />
aravisze uars ar ambobs,<br />
arc maT represiul sistemaze, mTavaria,<br />
aRiaro is, risi aRiarebac im<br />
momentisTvis aqtualuria biZina<br />
ivaniSvilisTvis da ise gadadian<br />
xelisuflebaSi myofi `nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis~ warmomadgenlebi<br />
xelisuflebaSive, rom aranairi<br />
aseTi gza maT ar gauvliaT. isini<br />
sul arian ZalauflebaSi da Sansi<br />
ar aris, aseTma adamianebma gadafaseba<br />
moaxdinon, Tundac im Secdomebis,<br />
romelic maT `nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis~ periodSi dauSves.<br />
isini ukve 7 welia, rac opoziciaSi<br />
arian, Cven `Tavisufali demokratebi~<br />
ukve mexuTe welia, opoziciaSi<br />
varT. davrwmundiT, rom<br />
biZina ivaniSvili swored im represiuli<br />
sistemis mSeneblobisa Tu<br />
aSenebuli marTvis gzas daadga,<br />
romelsac Cven `nacionalebis~ periodSi<br />
vebrZodiT, es Cvens Tavze<br />
gamovcadeT `kabelebis saqmeze~. es<br />
iyo Tavidan bolomde politikuri<br />
saqme, _ politizebuli prokuratura<br />
da Semdeg sasamarTlo ivaniSvilma<br />
gamoiyena, rogorc irak-<br />
16<br />
`ivaniSvili `nacionalebis~ im gzas<br />
giorgi sakaruli<br />
555 42 42 90<br />
li alasanias devnis obieqti. risTvisac<br />
vibrZodiT, vxedavdiT,<br />
rom realurad araferi icvleboda,<br />
amitom avdeqi da opoziciaSi<br />
wamovedi. guli damwyda, rom amdeni<br />
brZolis Semdeg miviReT xelisufleba,<br />
romelic imave gzas daadga,<br />
ra gzasac _ `nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba~ da aseT xelisuflebaSi<br />
Cemi da Cemi gundis adgili aRar<br />
iqneboda.<br />
_ kiTxvas davubrundebi, ratom<br />
`evropuli saqarTvelo~?<br />
_ ra gaakeTa biZina ivaniSvilma?<br />
_ `nacionaluri moZraobis~<br />
represiuli sistemebi, iq momuSave<br />
adamianebiT, prokurorebiT Tu<br />
mosamarTleebiT Tu susiT, es yvelaferi<br />
gadmoibara, ramdenime adamianis<br />
mimarT sisxlis samarTlis<br />
saqme aRZra. CemTvis Zalian rTulia,<br />
amas rom vambob, magram darwmunebuli<br />
var, ivaniSvilis xelisufleba<br />
Sesacvlelia da is unda Seicvalos<br />
arCevnebis gziT. ratom<br />
`evropuli saqarTvelo~? am xnis<br />
ganmavlobaSi Cven, rogorc opoziciur<br />
partiebs, Sexvedrebi da<br />
saubrebi gvqonia, maT Soris, warsulis<br />
SefasebasTan dakavSirebiT.<br />
`evropuli saqarTvelos~ liderebi<br />
yvelaze mkafiod da gasagebad<br />
amboben da aRiareben, rom xelisuflebaSi<br />
maTi yofnis periodSi<br />
moxda danaSaulebebi, es iyo sistemuri<br />
Cavardna da Cven amaze pasuxismgeblobas<br />
viRebTo. isini Sewuxebulebi<br />
arian imis gamo, rac<br />
zogadad moxda.<br />
_ sityvis doneze endobiT?<br />
_ esec Zalian mniSvnelovania,<br />
radgan Tu ar ityvi da ar aRiareb,<br />
Secdomas verc verasodes gamoasworeb.<br />
CvenTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania,<br />
Tu rogori saxelmwifo unda<br />
gvqondes samomavlod da is principebi,<br />
romlisTvisac mixeil saakaSvilis<br />
winaaRmdeg vibrZodiT, Cven-<br />
Tvis ar Secvlila. rasakvirvelia,<br />
warsuli unda gvaxsovdes, radgan<br />
daSvebuli Secdomebi gavaanalizoT,<br />
magram ar SeiZleba, warsul-<br />
Si davikargoT ise, rom momavali<br />
gamogvrCes.<br />
nino goguaZe:<br />
`ivaniSvili<br />
girgvlianis, robaqiZisa<br />
da 7 noembris dros<br />
`nacionalebis~ mTavari<br />
damfinansebeli iyo~<br />
_ SegiZliaT CamogviTvaloT is<br />
mTavari principebi da Rirebule-<br />
bebi, raSic Tqven da `evropul<br />
saqarTvelos~ Tanxvedra gaqvT?<br />
_ orive partias migvaCnia, rom<br />
saqarTveloSi aRarasodes aRar<br />
unda ganmeordes erTi piris mmar-<br />
Tveloba. aucileblad xelisufleba<br />
unda iyos dabalansebuli,<br />
Sekavebebisa da gawonasworebebis<br />
meqanizmebiT aRsavse, rom saxelmwifos<br />
unda marTavdes institutebi<br />
da ara romelime erTi piri da<br />
institutebis kompetencia unda<br />
iyos kanoniT da konstituciiT<br />
gawerili. aseve sasamarTlo unda<br />
iyos damoukidebeli da sityvis<br />
Tavisufleba _ SeuzRudavi. es<br />
aris is ZiriTadi principebi, rac<br />
demokratiul saxelmwifos sWirdeba.<br />
am principebidan nebismieri<br />
gadaxveva iqneba demokratiidan gadaxveva.<br />
TviTon es principebi iZleva<br />
SesaZleblobas, rom saxelmwifo<br />
demokratiulad imarTos. ai,<br />
es aris mokle CamonaTvali imisa,<br />
rom Cven davaaxloveT warsulis<br />
Sefaseba erTmaneTTan da im Ziri-<br />
Tad principebze SevTanxmdiT, romelic<br />
demokratiuli saxelmwifosTvisaa<br />
damaxasiaTebeli da swored<br />
es principebi `evropul saqarTvelosTan~<br />
yvelaze metad gvaaxlovebs.<br />
_ koaliciuri mmarTvelobis<br />
`saqarTveloSi aRarasodes<br />
unda ganmeordes erTi<br />
piris mmarTveloba~<br />
momxre xarT?<br />
_ aucilebelia, rom erTi xelisufleba<br />
ar Seicvalos absoluturi<br />
Zalauflebis mqone xelisuflebiT,<br />
radgan absoluturi Zalaufleba<br />
aris wyevla da yvelam<br />
viciT, Tu rogor daumTavrebiaT<br />
absoluturi Zalaufleba. es aris<br />
saSineleba da ukan gadadgmuli<br />
nabiji, Cven aseT saxelmwifoSi<br />
vcxovrobdiT da mas erqva sabWo-<br />
Ta kavSiri, sadac iyo erTi partia,<br />
erTi adamiani fiqrobda, akeTebda<br />
`Tu veneciis komisia<br />
ewinaaRmdegeba biZina<br />
ivaniSvilis survils,<br />
miT uaresi veneciis<br />
komisiisTvis - zustad<br />
aseTi damokidebuleba<br />
aqvs mas~<br />
meores da ambobda mesames. es didi<br />
tyuili Cven gamoviareT da 29 weliwadia,<br />
Tavs vaRwevT am sabWoTa<br />
memkvidreobidan gamosvlas. Tvi-<br />
Ton is faqti, rom `evropulma<br />
saqarTvelom~ maJoritarobis kandidatad<br />
Salva SavguliZe daasaxela,<br />
esec imis niSani iyo, rom maT<br />
sxvanairad gaiazres TavianTi warsuli,<br />
aRiares is Secdomebi, rac<br />
swored adamianis uflebebis dacvis<br />
kuTxiT dauSves da amitom daasaxeles<br />
Salva SavguliZe. am dros<br />
`qarTuli ocneba~-biZina ivaniSvilis<br />
burji xdeba murusiZe-Cin-<br />
CalaZis sasamarTlo. swored biZina<br />
ivaniSvili daadga `nacionalebis~<br />
im gzas, romelsac Cven vebrZodiT<br />
da `evropulma saqarTvelom~,<br />
`Tavisufal demokratebTan~<br />
erTad, Tavis maJoritar kandidatad<br />
daasaxela Salva SavguliZe.<br />
_ Tqveni azriT, rogoria Sal-<br />
va SavguliZis Sansebi mTawmindis<br />
olqSi?<br />
_ optimisti adamiani var. mTel<br />
opozicias mogviwevs erTmaneTTan<br />
koordinacia sxvadasxva rangsa da<br />
xarisxSi. magaliTad, proporciuli<br />
arCevnebis Temaze mTeli opozicia<br />
gaverTiandiT da amocanebis<br />
garSemoc unda SevZloT gaer-<br />
Tianeba. aq moxda koordinacia<br />
`evropul saqarTvelosa~ da `nacionalur<br />
moZraobas~ Soris. `evropulma<br />
saqarTvelom~ ar daayena<br />
Tavisi kandidati zugdidSi, xolo<br />
`nacionalebma~ ar daayenes kandidati<br />
mTawmindaze da mxardaWera<br />
gamoucxades Salva SavguliZes. es<br />
aris Zalian kargi imitom, rom bi-<br />
Zina ivaniSvilma unda icodes, _<br />
rodesac yvela kars ketavs da aravis<br />
elaparkeba, am kars miRma dar-<br />
Cenili, Tundac Zalian gansxvavebuli<br />
adamianebi, moZebnian erTmaneTTan<br />
saval gzebs da SeTanxmebis<br />
formulas. ase rom, madloba<br />
yvela opoziciur partias, maT<br />
Soris, `respublikelebs~, romelmac<br />
mxardaWera gamoucxada Salva<br />
SavguliZes, gaerTianebul opozicias<br />
da a. S. `qarTulma ocnebam~<br />
kargad icis, rom Salva SavguliZe<br />
aris is Zalian magari advokati,<br />
romelic yovelTvis icavda adamianis<br />
uflebebs, romelsac mogebuli<br />
aqvs araerTi saqme da iyo Zalian<br />
mebrZoli politikosi, rodesac<br />
is Semovida `Tavisufali demokratebis~<br />
partiaSi. es arCevnebi<br />
unda iyos imis demonstrireba<br />
mTawmindis moqalaqeebis mxridan,<br />
rom biZina ivaniSvils yvelaferi<br />
ar gauva, rom man unda Secvalos<br />
politika da Tu xalxs gavagebineT,<br />
rom ase gagrZeleba aRar SeiZleba,<br />
es unda iyos signali ivaniSvilisTvis,<br />
rom mas yvelaferi ver<br />
gauva. me darwmunebuli var Salvas<br />
gamarjvebaSi.<br />
_ iqneba Tu ara Sualeduri<br />
arCevnebis Sedegebi mniSvnelovani<br />
momavali saparlamento arCevneb-<br />
isTvis?<br />
_ Zalian mniSvnelovani arCevnebia.<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom Sualeduri<br />
arCevnebis Sedegad xelisufleba<br />
ar icvleba da moqalaqeebs<br />
TiTqos iseTi motivacia ar aqvT,<br />
rom gamovidnen da arCevnebze mividnen,<br />
mainc, xelisuflebasa da mosaxleobas<br />
unda davanaxoT, rom politikuri<br />
partiebis koordinaciam<br />
Sedegi gamoiRo, rom es arCevnebi<br />
SeiZleba iyos gardamtexi 2020<br />
wlis arCevnebisTvis da saerTod,<br />
sazogadoebas, Cvens moqalaqeebs<br />
ar vabraleb arafers, radgan Tu<br />
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daadga, romelsac Cven vebrZodiT~<br />
rame ar gamovida isev Cveni, politikosebis<br />
brali iqneba, Tu bolomde<br />
ver davarwmuneT adamianebi<br />
am arCevnebis mniSvnelobaSi.<br />
_ rogor gamoexmaurebiT biZi-<br />
na ivaniSvilis gancxadebas Salva<br />
SavguliZesTan dakavSirebiT? man<br />
Tqva, rom paradoqsia, roca Savgu-<br />
liZe gmirTan asocirdebao.<br />
_ biZina ivaniSvilma gadawyvita,<br />
marto istoria ki ar Segvicvalos,<br />
aramed adamianebis biografia Secvalos<br />
da mis yovel sityvas iseTi<br />
damajerebloba aqvs, TiTqos hgonia,<br />
adamianebi daijereben imas,<br />
rom mTeli es procesebi ise xdeboda,<br />
rogorc biZina ivaniSvilma<br />
gviambo. arada, swored ivaniSvili<br />
imitomac bedavs da ambobs amas,<br />
rom aranairi emociuri bma im procesebTan,<br />
romelic Cven yvelam<br />
erTad gamoviareT, mas ar gaaCnia<br />
da arc icis, ra moxda. TiTqmis<br />
yvela misi TanamebrZoli, 2012<br />
wels rom gundi Sekriba, imaSi daadanaSaula,<br />
TiTqos isini Tavidanve<br />
Sekrulebi iyvnen `nacionalur<br />
moZraobasTan~ da saerTod rogor<br />
moxvdnen masTan, amazec ki dasva<br />
kiTxva. biZina ivaniSvils minda<br />
Sevaxseno, rom sanam is politika-<br />
Si mosvlas daaanonsebda, manamde,<br />
swored ivaniSvili, sandro girgvlianis<br />
dros, buta robaqiZisa da<br />
7 noembris dros, iyo `nacionalebis~<br />
mTavari damfinansebeli burji<br />
da rogorc TviTon ambobs, gadawyvetilebebis<br />
mimReb jgufSi Sedioda:<br />
TviTon gviambo, _ uCemod<br />
mniSvnelovan gadawyvetilebebs<br />
ver iRebdneno. arc erT am faqtze<br />
da Zaladobriv SemTxvevebze mas<br />
aranairi reaqcia ar hqonia. vis, vis<br />
da ivaniSvils namdvilad araferi<br />
eTqmis am adamianebTan da swored<br />
maTi, anu opoziciuri speqtris<br />
meSveobiT moigo 2012 wlis arCevnebi.<br />
Salva SavguliZis qoneba aris<br />
misi biografia da rodesac am adamians<br />
biografias ucvli, damijereT<br />
_ mosaxleoba amas ar gapatiebT.<br />
_ damajereblobaze gamaxsenda.<br />
rogor fiqrobT, dRes vinmes<br />
sjera biZina ivaniSvilis? saprez-<br />
idento arCevnebze Cven kargad<br />
davinaxeT, rom ivaniSvilma abso-<br />
luturad gamoiyena Tavisi res-<br />
ursi da bolos xalxSi kartofi-<br />
lis darigebac ki daiwyo...<br />
_ yvelaze mZimea, rodesac sityva<br />
ufasurdeba. biZina ivaniSvils<br />
hgonia, rom WeSmariteba upyria<br />
xelT. ra saxelsac daarqmevs ama<br />
Tu im movlenas, im saxeliT unda<br />
aRiqvas is sazogadoebam. Tu es ase<br />
ar xdeba da sazogadoeba im saxels<br />
ar arqmevs, romelic biZina ivaniSvilma<br />
daarqva, Zalian ukvirs da<br />
maSin iwyebs laparaks, rom es<br />
`rusTavi 2-is~ bralia, zogadad<br />
mediis an `nacionalebis~. xSirad<br />
vambobdi, rom hipnozs akeTebsmeTqi,<br />
gaiZaxis, _ miSa modis, miSa<br />
modis da am fobiebiT moigo ar-<br />
Cevnebic. TiTqos adamianebs is<br />
SiSebi gauRviZa da amitomac miiRo<br />
sakonstitucio umravlesoba, rac<br />
Zalian cudia misTvisac da qveynisTvisac.<br />
2016 wlidan kidev 3<br />
weli gavida da misi yoveli gamoCena<br />
Tu interviu mis sityvas fass<br />
ukargavs. biZina ivaniSvilis garda<br />
dRes aravis sjera misi sityvis<br />
magiurobis. rodesac ivaniSvils<br />
uWirda, maSin iseTi garemocva Seikriba,<br />
visac azrs ekiTxeboda, romlis<br />
azris gaTvaliswinebac icoda,<br />
rom mniSvnelovani iyo, magram<br />
`biZina ivaniSvilma gadawyvita, marto istoria ki<br />
ar Segvicvalos, aramed adamianebis biografia<br />
Secvalos da mis yovel sityvas iseTi<br />
damajerebloba aqvs, TiTqos hgonia, adamianebi<br />
daijereben imas, rom mTeli es procesebi ise<br />
xdeboda, rogorc biZina ivaniSvilma gviambo.<br />
arada, swored ivaniSvili imitomac bedavs da<br />
ambobs amas, rom aranairi emociuri bma im<br />
procesebTan, romelic Cven yvelam erTad<br />
gamoviareT, mas ar gaaCnia da arc icis, ra moxda.<br />
TiTqmis yvela misi TanamebrZoli, 2012 wels rom<br />
gundi Sekriba, imaSi daadanaSaula, TiTqos isini<br />
Tavidanve Sekrulebi iyvnen "nacionalur<br />
moZraobasTan" da saerTod rogor moxvdnen<br />
masTan, amazec ki dasva kiTxva. biZina ivaniSvils<br />
minda Sevaxseno, rom sanam is politikaSi mosvlas<br />
daaanonsebda, manamde, swored ivaniSvili, sandro<br />
girgvlianis dros, buta robaqiZisa da 7 noembris<br />
dros, iyo "nacionalebis" mTavari damfinansebeli<br />
burji da rogorc TviTon ambobs,<br />
gadawyvetilebebis mimReb jgufSi Sedioda~<br />
roca gaimarjveben xolme, mere<br />
aviwydebaT yvelaferi. garemocvas<br />
ki ar vabraleb, rom biZina ivaniSvili<br />
araadeqvaturia, aramed man<br />
TviTon SearCia es garemocva. Tumca<br />
is, rom dRes araadeqvaturia, es<br />
nawilobriv garemocvis bralicaa,<br />
radgan is ar eubneba realur ganwyobebs,<br />
rasac mosaxleobaSi vxvdebiT.<br />
dRevandel garemocvaSi<br />
aRaravin darCa iseTi, vinc gaubedavs<br />
da simarTles etyvis.<br />
_ gaubedaven da Tanamdebobeb-<br />
is gareSe darCebian.<br />
_ rasakvirvelia, rodesac amdeni<br />
xani Zleb, SenTvis mTavaria, am<br />
adamianis keTilganwyoba da piradi<br />
interesebi. amis gamo akeTeb<br />
imas, rac mas surs.<br />
_ dRemde saakaSvili hgonia<br />
prezidenti da `nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba~ _ xelisuflebaSi.<br />
_ araferic ar hgonia, es aris<br />
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misi politteqnologiis mTavari<br />
xerxi, am siZulviliT ganpirobebuli.<br />
_ is, rom saqarTvelo usafr-<br />
Txo qveynad gamoacxades, is, rom<br />
qarTvelebis minimaluri xelfasi<br />
Seadgens 1102 lars, is, rom xuTS-<br />
viliani ojaxisTvis sakmarisi Tanxaa<br />
361 lari da 20 TeTri da bevri<br />
sxva ram SegviZlia CamovTval-<br />
oT, Tqveni azriT, rasTan gvaqvs<br />
saqme? rogor unda avxsnaT es ar-<br />
arealuri fenomeni? ra unda, sab-<br />
oloo jamSi, biZina ivaniSvils<br />
qarTveli xalxisgan?<br />
_ usafrTxo qveynad rom gamoacxades<br />
saqarTvelo, es imas niSnavs,<br />
rom politikur TavSesafars<br />
Cvens moqalaqeebs aRar miscemen.<br />
usafrTxo qveynis statusiT rom<br />
amayoben, sinamdvileSi, es aris<br />
Zalian rTuli problema Cveni moqalaqeebisTvis<br />
da xelisuflebas<br />
am usafrTxo statusis mopovebisas<br />
Tavis moqalaqeebze unda efiqra<br />
da ucxoelebTan unda evaWra.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, Zalian bevri adamiani<br />
meubneba, rom Tavidan rogor<br />
ver mixvdio? sul vambobdi, rom<br />
adamianebSi kargs vxedav. adamianebis<br />
ndoba Tu davkarge, ra minda<br />
politikaSi an saerTod cxovrebaSi?<br />
sul vfiqrobdi, adamians,<br />
romelsac aqvs amxela qoneba<br />
da ase gariska, vifiqre, rom mas<br />
qveynisTvis kargi undoda. aba, ras<br />
warmovidgendi, igives miviRebdiT,<br />
rasac vebrZodiT?! ra unda da<br />
Tavisi Zalauflebis ganxorcieleba,<br />
es saxelmwifo sakuTari hgonia,<br />
rom qveyana misi survilebis ganxorcielebis<br />
asparezia. saqarTvelos<br />
ganviTareba rom ar unda, faqtia;<br />
am qveynis demokratizacia rom<br />
ar unda, egec faqtia; samarTlebrivi<br />
saxelmwifo rom ar unda,<br />
faqtia. mas ainteresebs mxolod<br />
ramdenime sistema, romlis meSveobiTac<br />
marTavs am saxelmwifos. es<br />
aris uSiSroeba, politizebuli<br />
prokuratura, policiis nawili,<br />
oRond kriminaluri policia da<br />
sasamarTlo. sasamarTlo yvela samarTlebriv,<br />
demokratiul saxelmwifoSi<br />
aris saxelmwifos fundamenti<br />
da man gadawyvita, rom yvela<br />
es saxelmwifo instituti da<br />
berketi misi sakuTrebaa da am saxelmwifo<br />
berkets yvelaze da yvelas<br />
winaaRmdeg iyenebs, visac amoiCemebs.<br />
CemTvis bolo magaliTia mamuka<br />
xazaraZe. rogorc vxedav, arc<br />
mosaxleobis gaWirveba anaRvlebs.<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom kvirikaSvili<br />
TiTqos imitom moxsna, rom `iunisefma~<br />
aCvena, Tu ra gaWirvebuli<br />
qveyanaa da es rom gavige, ramdenime<br />
Rame ar meZinao. Semdeg aviwydeba<br />
xolme is, rac naTqvami aqvs<br />
da yvela gamosvlaSi gveubneba,<br />
rom, Turme, arc ise cudad aris<br />
saqme da arc ise uWirs am xalxs,<br />
rogorc `rusTavi 2" an sxva mediasaSualeba<br />
aCvenebs. safrTxeSia<br />
investiciebi, Cveni ekonomika da<br />
romeli erTi CamovTvalo? investiciis<br />
Semodineba am qveyanaSi sul<br />
ufro da ufro gaWirdeba da es<br />
ekonomikas Zalian cudad waadgeba.<br />
misi TqmiT, Turme, `veneciis komisiam~<br />
politikuri Sefaseba dawera;<br />
rom euTos aravin arafers<br />
ekiTxeba. rasac me vuyureb, mTeli<br />
Cveni politika, es iqneba sasamarTlo,<br />
prokuratura, mowadinebulia,<br />
rom ki ar davuaxlovdeT dasavleTs,<br />
aramed davSordeT. ra unda?<br />
unda, rom Tavisi axirebebi ganaxorcielos<br />
da hgonia, rom es qveyana<br />
misia. ratomRac, aviwydeba, rom<br />
es saxelmwifo Cvenia, xalxis, es<br />
qveyana odiTganve arsebobda, axlac<br />
arsebobs da Cven rom ar viqnebiT,<br />
mis merec iarsebebs. moqalaqeebma<br />
unda davijeroT, rom Cven<br />
varT am qveynis baton-patroni,<br />
rogor arCevansac gavakeTebT, swored<br />
iseTi qveyana gveqneba da veravin<br />
SeuSlis xels Cveni TavisuflebisTvis<br />
brZolas. darwmunebuli<br />
var, biZina ivaniSvilsac iseve<br />
mSvidad gavistumrebT xelisuflebidan,<br />
rogorc wina xelisufleba<br />
gavistumreT.<br />
_ mosamarTleebis arCevis<br />
wesTan dakavSirebiT `qarTuli<br />
ocneba~ poziciebs ar Tmobs.<br />
_ rogor daTmobs?! rasac biZina<br />
ivaniSvili ityvis, yvelaferi<br />
ise iqneba.<br />
_ rogor ggoniaT, ratom midis<br />
mmarTveli gundi am riskze?<br />
_ sxva gza ar aqvT. erTaderTi<br />
`qarTuli ocneba~ imas asrulebs,<br />
rac biZina ivaniSvils unda da maT-<br />
Tvis riskia ivaniSvilis survilebis<br />
sawinaaRmdegod wasvla. qarTvel<br />
xalxTan rom aranairi angariSvaldebuleba<br />
ar gaaCniaT, es faqtia.<br />
biZina ivaniSvilma yvelaferi<br />
gaakeTa, rom is adamianebi, romlebsac<br />
sakuTari reputacia, politikuri<br />
avtoriteti hqondaT,<br />
CamoeSorebina sakuTari koaliciidan,<br />
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arseboben admianebi, romlebmac<br />
TavianTi saxe SeinarCunes da pirveli<br />
vinc maxsendeba, es aris roman<br />
kakulia. me mas ar vicnob, magram<br />
aSkarad gamoirCeva am umravlesobis<br />
fonze. danarCeni yvela usityvod<br />
asrulebs biZina ivaniSvilis<br />
survils. amitom Tu `veneciis<br />
komisia~ ewinaaRmdegeba biZina ivaniSvilis<br />
survils, miT uaresi `veneciis<br />
komisiisTvis~ _ zustad ase-<br />
Ti damokidebuleba aqvs mas. ivani-<br />
Svils unda absoluturad damor-<br />
Cilebuli sasamarTlo da es sasamarTlo<br />
mxolod imisTvis sWirdeba,<br />
rom misi interesi sadac aris,<br />
iq aRsruldes misive uzenaesi neba.<br />
ivaniSvils murusiZisa da CinCalaZis<br />
sasamarTlo sWirdeba Tavisi<br />
survilebis gansaxorcieleblad.<br />
_ ramdenad Zlieria dRes<br />
opozicia da ras akeTebs imisTvis,<br />
rom 2020 wlis arCevnebze `qarTu-<br />
li ocneba~ daamarcxos?<br />
_ biZina ivaniSvilma yvelaferi<br />
gaakeTa, rom mTeli rigi partiebi<br />
moespo, maT Soris, Cemi partia.<br />
`Tavisufali demokratebi~ amis<br />
magaliTi varT, romelsac wesebis<br />
gareSe ebrZoda. xSirad msmenia, es<br />
xelisufleba ufro humanuria, vidre<br />
`nacionalebio~, magram Cemi<br />
partiis magaliTze amas ver vityvi<br />
da ar vityvi. SeiZleba, masobrivad<br />
ar exeba es represiuli sistema,<br />
magram Cven winaaRmdeg absoluturad<br />
yvela meTodi gamoiyenes,<br />
adamianobis miRma arsebuli me-<br />
Todebi da veranairad vityvi, rom<br />
biZina ivaniSvilis xelisufleba<br />
ufro humanuria. samagierod, `qar-<br />
Tuli ocnebis~ xelisuflebis mimarT<br />
xalxis ukmayofileba izrdeba,<br />
rac opoziciam sakuTar xmebSi<br />
unda gadaitanos. Semdgomi parlamenti<br />
unda iyos dabalansebuli,<br />
mravalferovani, romlis safuZvelzec<br />
unda Seiqmnas koaliciuri<br />
mTavroba. miuxedavad imisa, rom<br />
biZina ivaniSvils absoluturi Zalaufleba<br />
da udidesi finansuri<br />
resursi aqvs, romlis msgavsic<br />
aravis ar gaaCnia da arc eqneba saqarTveloSi,<br />
opozicias, rasakvirvelia,<br />
mogviwevs koordineba da<br />
gaerTianeba ama Tu im Tematur<br />
sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT.<br />
_ Tuki biZina ivaniSvilma Tavisi<br />
poziciebi ar daTmo, gamoricx-<br />
avT quCis aqciebs?<br />
_ quCis aqciebs arasodes gamovricxav,<br />
radgan mTeli cxovreba<br />
rusTavelze gavatare. mTeli Cemi<br />
cxovreba erTi uwyveti aqcia iyo<br />
da ar gamovricxav, Tumca ar minda,<br />
rom es protesti konstituciur<br />
farglebs gascdes.<br />
_ dabolos, samomavlod Tu<br />
igegmeba `Tavisufali demokrate-<br />
bisa~ da `evropuli saqarTvelos~<br />
xangrZlivi TanamSromloba?<br />
_ vfiqrobT, vmsjelobT, erTad<br />
gvaqvs saarCevno bloki, romlis<br />
maJoritari kandidatic Salva<br />
SavguliZea da maSinve vTqviT, rom<br />
Cven ganvixilavT TanamSromlobas<br />
2020 wlis arCevnebis aspeqtSi.<br />
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koka wereTeli<br />
msoflio sapatriarqosa da<br />
saqarTvelos marTlmadidebel<br />
eklesiaSi mimdinare procesebze<br />
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saqarTvelos marTlmadidebeli<br />
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gaimarTos _ tradiciisamebr, es<br />
ivnisSi xdeba, Tu sapatriarqo<br />
sxdomas gaurkveveli mizeziT ar<br />
gadadebs. ra informacias<br />
flobT: sapatriarqoSi ukrainis<br />
eklesiisTvis gadacemuli tomosis<br />
kiTxva grZeldeba, dasrul-<br />
da Tu jerac ar waukiTxavT?<br />
_ pirveli msoflio saeklesio<br />
krebis me-5 kanonis Tanaxmad, sinodis<br />
sxdoma weliwadSi orjer<br />
unda Catardes: erTi didmarxvamde<br />
da meore Semodgomaze, garda<br />
imisa, Tu raime sagangebo viTareba<br />
ar Seiqmna, ris gamoc sagangebo<br />
krebas iwveven.<br />
is, rom saqarTvelos eklesiis<br />
sinodis sxdoma ivnisSi unda gaimarTos,<br />
CemTvis cnobili araa. rac<br />
Seexeba ukrainis eklesiisTvis gadacemuli<br />
tomosis kiTxvis process,<br />
esec ucnobia Tu ra stadiaSia,<br />
Tumca sulac ar saWiroebs<br />
did dros tomosis Sinaarsis gacnoba<br />
da misi gaanalizeba.<br />
_ msoflio patriarqis mier<br />
ukrainis eklesiisTvis avtokefaliis<br />
miniWebis Semdeg ra tendenciebi<br />
ikveTeba am mima-<br />
rTulebiT marTlmadideblur<br />
samyaroSi?<br />
_ ukrainis eklesiis avtokefaliis<br />
tomosTan dakavSirebiT<br />
sxvadasxva mosazreba arsebobs.<br />
ramdenime eklesiis meTaurma mosazreba<br />
gamoTqva, romelic, ZiriTadad,<br />
Tavisi SinaarsiT raime<br />
eWvs konstantinopolis gadawyvetilebasTan<br />
mimarTebiT ar avlens.<br />
Tu mxedvelobaSi ar miviRebT<br />
albaneTis eklesiis mTavarepiskopos<br />
anastasiosis werils<br />
msoflio patriarq barTlomeosisTvis,<br />
sadac, yvelasTvis gasakvirad,<br />
anastasiosi uaryofiT<br />
pozicias avlens konstantinopolis<br />
gadawyvetilebisadmi.<br />
_ rogorc vici, am werils<br />
msoflio patriarqma upasuxa.<br />
_ diax, am werils barTlomeosis<br />
sapasuxo _ damajerebeli argumentebiT<br />
savse werili moyva,<br />
romelic kanonikuri samarTlis<br />
erT-erT saukeTeso nimuSad aRiares.<br />
_ ramdenad misaRebi aRmoCnda<br />
msoflio patriarqis argumentebi<br />
albaneTis mTavarepiskopo-<br />
sisTvis?<br />
_ msoflio patriarqis werils<br />
moyva albaneTis mTavarepiskoposis<br />
pasuxi, sadac is ambobs, rom<br />
Tu, yovel SemTxvevaSi, moxdeba<br />
sqizma, is aucileblad msoflio<br />
sapatriarqos mxares daiWers, es<br />
adasturebs msoflio sapatriarqos<br />
qmedebebis kanonikurobis<br />
siswores. garda amisa, gamoqveynda<br />
eladis eklesiis erT-erTi<br />
gamoCenili Teologis, mitropolit<br />
ieroTeos vlaxosis epistole<br />
eladis eklesiis sinodisadmi,<br />
sadac is marTlmadidebeli eklesiis<br />
kanonikuri samarTlis<br />
principebze dayrdnobiT warmoaCens<br />
konstantinopolis eklesiis<br />
mier ukrainis eklesiis avtokefaliis<br />
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_ dainteresebuli pirebis<br />
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Sedegebis Sesaxeb?<br />
_ marTlac, sakmaod mniSvnelovani<br />
Sexvedra gaimarTa kviprosis<br />
mTavarepiskopos qrizostomosis<br />
TaosnobiT. erTmaneTs<br />
Sexvdnen prezvigenuli (prezvigenuli,<br />
presvigenuli berZnuli<br />
sityvaa da niSnavs uZveless anu<br />
pentarqiul sapatriarqoebs: romi,<br />
konstantinopoli, aleqsandria,<br />
antioqia, ierusalimi, _<br />
avt.) sapatriarqoebis _ aleqsandriis,<br />
antioqiisa da ierusalimis<br />
meTaurebi, romelTa erTobliv<br />
gancxadebaSi aSkarad SeimCneva<br />
konstantinopolis gadawyvetilebisadmi<br />
dadebiTi ganwyoba da<br />
eWvis natamalic ar Cans am gadawyvetilebis<br />
sisworeSi. eklesiis<br />
meTaurebi mTavarepiskopos qrizostomoss<br />
mouwodeben, saSuamavlo<br />
qmedebebi ganagrZos warmoSobili<br />
krizisis dasaZlevad,<br />
raTa marTlmadidebel eklesiaSi<br />
sqizma ar moxdes.<br />
_ marTalia, cota Znelia Ria<br />
karis mtvreva, Tumca saqarTvelos<br />
sapatriarqo da misi spikerebi<br />
Riad Tu farulad tomosis<br />
teqstze saubrisas safrTxeebze<br />
miuTiTeben, romelic Sesa-<br />
Zloa, gadawyvetilebas moyves.<br />
anu imas, rom ukrainis eklesiis<br />
aRiarebis SemTxvevaSi ruseTma<br />
SesaZloa, afxazeTis eklesiis av-<br />
tokefalia aRiaros, xolo araR-<br />
iarebis SemTxvevaSi igive gaakeTos<br />
msoflio sapatriarqom. mar-<br />
Talia, sakiTxSi Rrmad Caxeduli<br />
pirebisTvis gasagebia orive sak-<br />
iTxis konteqsti, magram kidev<br />
erTxel ganvmartoT, ratom aSantaJebs<br />
am `mosalodneli SedegebiT~<br />
sapatriarqo qarTul sa-<br />
zogadoebas?<br />
_ rac Seexeba safrTxeebs, romelzedac<br />
xSirad saubroben saqarTvelos<br />
sapatriarqos spikerebi<br />
Tu warmomadgenlebi, kerZod,<br />
ukrainis eklesiis aRiarebis Sem-<br />
TxvevaSi SesaZloa, ruseTma afxazeTis<br />
eklesiis avtokefalia<br />
aRiaros, xolo araRiarebis Sem-<br />
TxvevaSi igive gaakeTos msoflio<br />
sapatriarqom, yovelgvar kanoni-<br />
`saqarTvelos<br />
kaTolikos-patriarqma,<br />
saqarTveloSi stumrad<br />
myof romis paps<br />
mimarTa: `qristesmier<br />
sayvarelo Zmao,<br />
RmerTma dalocos<br />
Cveni ori eklesia~<br />
goCa barnovi:<br />
`konstantinopolis<br />
sapatriarqo nabijs ar<br />
gadadgams saqarTvelos<br />
eklesiisa da<br />
saxelmwifos winaaRmdeg~<br />
kur safuZvelsaa moklebuli. er-<br />
TaderTi eklesia, romelsac msoflio<br />
krebebis kanonebis safuZvelze<br />
aqvs ufleba, avtokefaliis<br />
tomosi misces romelime eklesias,<br />
aris konstantinopolis sapatriarqo.<br />
Sesabamisad, Tuki Cven<br />
vaRiarebT ukrainis eklesiis avtokefalias<br />
da sapasuxod ruse-<br />
Ti aRiarebs afxazeTis eklesiis<br />
avtokefalias, es iqneba misi mxridan,<br />
saeklesio kanonebis mixedviT<br />
absurduli gadawyvetileba. garda<br />
amisa aRvniSnav, rom msoflio<br />
sapatriarqo saerTod ar ganixilavs<br />
afxazeTis avtokefaliis sakiTxs,<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom masTan<br />
ramdenjerme stumrobdnen afxazeTis<br />
e. w. eklesiis sasuliero<br />
pirebi.<br />
_ am stumrobebs mavanni msoflio<br />
patriarqis saqarTvelosad-<br />
mi arakeTilganwyobad naTlaven...<br />
_ msoflio patriarqi, rogorc<br />
marTlmadidebelTa msoflio<br />
lideri, valdebulia, yvela<br />
miiRos da yvela saCivars mousminos.<br />
barTlomeoss arasodes daufiqsirebia<br />
raime pozicia afxaze-<br />
Tis avtokefaliasTan dakavSirebiT.<br />
is, rom igi afxazeTs saqarTvelos<br />
eklesiis iurisdiqciaSi<br />
ganixilavs, iqidanac Cans, rom is<br />
saqarTvelos patriarqs mudam<br />
moixseniebs cxum-afxazeTis mitropolitad,<br />
rasac arasodes ake-<br />
Tebs moskovis patriarqi. dabolos,<br />
rac yvelaze mniSvnelovania,<br />
miuxedavad arsebuli safrTxeebisa,<br />
saqarTvelos eklesia da aseve<br />
yvela sxva eklesiac, ukrainis<br />
eklesiis avtokefaliasTan mimarTebiT,<br />
simarTlis mxares unda<br />
dadges, rac avtokefaliis aRiarebiT<br />
gamoixateba.<br />
_ sapatriarqos warmomadgenelTa<br />
mxridan gaisma aseTi mosazrebac:<br />
ukrainis eklesiis av-<br />
tokefaliis konteqstSi proble-<br />
mas warmoadgens gankveTilTa<br />
xarisxSi dabrunebao. ramdenad<br />
wonadia es argumenti?<br />
_ gankveTilTa an anaTemirebulTa<br />
xarisxSi dabrunebis problemasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT Teologiur<br />
sait www.palamacentre.com-ze<br />
gamoqveynda msoflio sapatriarqos<br />
erT-erTi mRvdelmTavris,<br />
anqialosis episkopos vasilis argumentirebuli<br />
da sakmaod vrceli<br />
statia, romelic daiwera XIX<br />
saukuneSi da amJamad msoflio sapatriarqom<br />
gaavrcela. am epistoleSi<br />
naTlad aris warmoCenili<br />
mTeli istoriuli magaliTebis<br />
safuZvelze da kanonikurad<br />
gaanalizebulia msgavsi SemTxvevebi,<br />
romelic ganviTarda eklesiis<br />
istoriaSi, dawyebuli<br />
aTanase didis epoqidan, vidre<br />
dRemde _ XX saukuneSi bulgare-<br />
Tis sqizmamde.<br />
_ da ras gveubneba es isto-<br />
riuli magaliTebi?<br />
_ am istoriul magaliTebSi<br />
kargad Cans, rom eklesiis wiaRSi,<br />
krebiTi formis meSveobiT, xSirad<br />
xdeboda gankveTilTa an anaTemirebulTa<br />
mier xeldasxmulebis<br />
miReba eklesiaSi da is arasodes<br />
warmoadgenda raime damabrkolebel<br />
garemoebas.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ samRvdelo xarisxiT miRebis<br />
safuZvels warmoadgens naTlobis<br />
saidumlo, romlis Sesaxebac<br />
saubroben meore msoflio krebis<br />
me-7 da trulis msoflio saeklesio<br />
krebis 95-e kanonebi, sadac<br />
gansazRvrulia eretikosebis mier<br />
monaTlulTa miRebis wesi eklesiaSi.<br />
sqizmatebis swored amgvari<br />
wesiT SemoerTeba araTu<br />
msoflio sapatriarqosTvis, aramed<br />
Tavad ruseTis eklesiisTvisac<br />
araa ucxo.<br />
_ magaliTad?<br />
_ magaliTad, 2007 wels, 70-<br />
wliani sqizmis Semdeg, ruseTis<br />
marTlmadidebelma eklesiam, yovelgvari<br />
garTulebis gareSe, saeklesio<br />
erTobaSi miiRo ROCORis<br />
wevrebi. ai, ras wers msoflio<br />
patriarqi barTlomeosi am sakiTxTan<br />
dakavSirebiT albaneTis<br />
mTavarepiskopos anastasioss:<br />
`rogor Seiwynara ruseTis eklesiam<br />
sqizmaSi myofi ROCOR-is wevrebi<br />
da miiRo evqaristiul kav-<br />
SirSi _ xelaxali naTlobiT Tu<br />
xeldasxmiT?~<br />
_ ise, gankveTaze gamaxsenda, _<br />
ra argumentebiT inarCunebs saq-<br />
arTvelos sapatriarqo sakuTar<br />
`Svilebad~ da ar gankveTs afxaz-<br />
eTSi moRvawe sasuliero pirebs,<br />
romlebic mas ar aRiareben da<br />
Riad TanamSromloben ruseTis<br />
eklesiasTan, metic: moqmedeben<br />
saqarTvelos marTlmadidebeli<br />
eklesiisa da qarTuli saxelmwi-<br />
fos sazianod?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, saqarTvelos<br />
eklesiis mxridan sruli umoqmedoba<br />
afxazeTSi moRvawe sasuliero<br />
pirebTan dakavSirebiT gaumarTlebelia.<br />
msgavs viTarebaSi,<br />
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kanonikuri samarTlis mixedviT,<br />
aseTi sasuliero pirebi imsaxureben<br />
gankveTas sasuliero pirobidan.<br />
saqarTvelos sapatriarqo<br />
erideba ruseTis eklesiis ganawyenebas,<br />
radgan besarion aplias<br />
gankveTis SemTxvevaSi ruseTi<br />
masTan mainc gaagrZelebs evqaristiul<br />
kavSirs, es ki, garkveulwilad,<br />
aisaxeba ruseTisa da saqar-<br />
Tvelos eklesiis urTierTobebze,<br />
rasac Tavs aridebs saqarTvelos<br />
sapatriarqo.<br />
_ aris Tu ara erTmniSvne-<br />
lovnad SesaZlebeli imis Tqma,<br />
rom msoflio sapatriarqo ar<br />
gadadgams saqarTvelos marTlmadidebeli<br />
eklesiisa da qarTu-<br />
li saxelmwifos sawinaaRmdego<br />
nabijs, romliTac gvaSineben sa-<br />
patriarqos warmomadgenlebi Tu<br />
calkeuli RvTismsaxurni?<br />
_ msoflio sapatriarqos nebismieri<br />
qmedeba efuZneba marTlmadidebeli<br />
eklesiis kanonikuri<br />
samarTlis umTavres principebs:<br />
eklesia unda aerTianebdes adamianebs<br />
da ar hyofdes maT. dabejiTebiT<br />
vfiqrob: konstantinopolis<br />
sapatriarqo ar gadadgams<br />
saqarTvelos eklesiisa da saxelmwifos<br />
winaaRmdeg nabijs, radgan<br />
aseTi ramis gakeTeba rom<br />
sdomeboda, ukve sakmarisze meti<br />
safuZveli hqonda.<br />
_ ras gulisxmobT?<br />
_ eklesiebis msoflio sab-<br />
Wodan ruseTis waqezebiT demonstraciul<br />
gamosvlas; amerikis<br />
eTnofiletistur principebze,<br />
ruseTis mier amerikis eklesiis<br />
avtokefaliis mxardaWeras; kretis<br />
krebaze wausvlelobas, rac<br />
aseve ruseTis waqezebiT moxda...<br />
da radgan ase ar moiqca, vfiqrob,<br />
arc SemdgomSi gadadgams saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifosa da eklesiis<br />
sawinaaRmdego nabijebs. garda<br />
amisa, konstantinopolis sapatriarqo<br />
pativs scems yvela adgilobrivi<br />
eklesiis gadawyvetilebas<br />
da aqedan gamomdinare, ar ereva<br />
maT Sidasaeklesio saqmianobaSi.<br />
_ principSi, Tu sapatri-<br />
arqosTvisac cnobilia, rom<br />
msoflio patriarqi araviTar<br />
SeTxvevaSi ar imoqmedebs qarTuli<br />
eklesiis winaaRmdeg, amito-<br />
mac xom ar rCebian mudmivad<br />
rusul orbitaze?<br />
_ Seqmnili situaciidan gamomdinare<br />
am azrsac aqvs arsebobis<br />
ufleba.<br />
_ amJamad ra viTarebaa mar-<br />
Tlmadidebel samyaroSi ukra-<br />
inis eklesiis aRiarebis mxriv da<br />
ra molodinebi gaqvT?<br />
_ nebismieri eklesiis avtokefaliis<br />
aRiareba rTuli da xangrZlivi<br />
procesia. msgavsad, ukrainis<br />
eklesiis avtokefaliac igives<br />
moiTxovs. erTi ram, rac calsaxaa,<br />
aris is, rom marTlmadidebeli<br />
eklesiebis meTaurebis gancxadebebidan<br />
gamomdinare, ukrainas<br />
unda hqondes avtokefaliuri<br />
eklesia. ramdenadac Tema ruse-<br />
Tis eklesiis meTaurTa pativmoyvareobasa<br />
da ambiciebs exeba, Sesabamisad,<br />
sakiTxic ufro met sirTules<br />
iZens. ruseTs ar surs<br />
Tavisi gavlenebisa da SesaZleblobebis<br />
Sesusteba da aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
yvela xerxsa da saSualebas<br />
iyenebs sakuTari poziciebis<br />
SenarCunebisTvis _ es aris<br />
muqara, SantaJi Tu kiberSetevebi.<br />
msgavsadve, ukrainis TemasTan<br />
mimarTebiT, arc erTi am meTodis<br />
gamoyenebaze uars ar ambobs. aRniSnuli<br />
viTarebis gamo, marTlmadidebeli<br />
eklesiebic droSi welaven<br />
ukrainis eklesiis avtokefaliis<br />
aRiarebas da elodebian<br />
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konstantinopolsa da moskovs<br />
Soris urTierTobebis daregulirebas,<br />
rac, piradad me, am etapze,<br />
naklebad SesaZleblad mimaCnia.<br />
wingadadgmuli nabijia axlaxan<br />
kviprosze prezvigenul eklesiaTa<br />
meTaurebis Sexvedra, romlis<br />
Sesaxebac zemoT mogaxseneT.<br />
_ qarTul mediaSi periodu-<br />
lad Cndeba msoflio patriarqis<br />
winaaRmdeg mimarTuli publika-<br />
ciebi. xSir SemTxvevaSi adgili<br />
aqvs araTu faqtebis interpre-<br />
tirebas, aramed sicrues da saqar<br />
arTvelos<br />
sapatriarqo arc ki<br />
exmaureba, ar pasuxobs am pub-<br />
likaciebs. ratom? vin dgas am<br />
yvelafris ukan da minimum, aqvs<br />
Tu ara valdebuleba saqarTvelos<br />
sapatriarqos, sakadrisi pa-<br />
suxi gasces sicrues, ciliswame-<br />
bas, reagireba moaxdinos aseT<br />
publikaciebze?<br />
_ ZiriTadi braldebebi rasac<br />
msoflio patriarqis sawinaaRmdegod<br />
iyeneben saqarTvelos eklesiaSi<br />
arsebuli Zalebi, miemarTeba<br />
TiTqosda mis ekumenistobas,<br />
anu mis Tanaziarebas sxva aramarTlmadidebel<br />
eklesiebTan, rac<br />
simarTles ar Seesabameba. calsaxad<br />
SeiZleba ganvacxadoT, rom<br />
`rac Seexeba safrTxeebs, romelzedac xSirad<br />
saubroben saqarTvelos sapatriarqos spikerebi<br />
Tu warmomadgenlebi, kerZod, ukrainis<br />
eklesiis aRiarebis SemTxvevaSi SesaZloa,<br />
ruseTma afxazeTis eklesiis avtokefalia<br />
aRiaros, xolo araRiarebis SemTxvevaSi igive<br />
gaakeTos msoflio sapatriarqom, yovelgvar<br />
kanonikur safuZvelsaa moklebuli~<br />
`barTlomeoss arasodes<br />
daufiqsirebia raime pozicia<br />
afxazeTis avtokefaliasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT. is, rom igi<br />
afxazeTs saqarTvelos<br />
eklesiis iurisdiqciaSi<br />
ganixilavs, iqidanac Cans,<br />
rom is saqarTvelos<br />
patriarqs mudam moixseniebs<br />
cxum-afxazeTis<br />
mitropolitad, rasac<br />
arasodes akeTebs moskovis<br />
patriarqi~<br />
msoflio patriarqs ar aqvs<br />
evqaristiuli kavSiri aramarTlmadidebel<br />
eklesiebTan, Tu mxedvelobaSi<br />
ar miviRebT maT erTobliv<br />
moRvaweobas eklesiologiur,<br />
socialur Tu ekologiur<br />
problemebTan dakavSirebiT. msgavs<br />
TanamoRvaweobas aramarTlmadidebel<br />
eklesiebTan sxva marTlmadidebeli<br />
eklesiebis meTaurebic,<br />
maT Soris, Cvenic, axorcieleben,<br />
raSic aranairad ar Cans saku-<br />
Tari sarwmunoebrivi poziciebis<br />
uaryofa. mimaCnia, rom saqarTvelos<br />
sapatriarqom yovelTvis<br />
jerovani pasuxi unda gasces im<br />
ciliswamebebs, romelic xdeba ara<br />
mxolod msoflio patriarqis mimarT,<br />
aramed nebismieri adgilobrivi<br />
eklesiis meTaurisadmi.<br />
_ saqarTvelos kaTolikos-<br />
patriarqma ilia meorem parizis<br />
RvTismSoblis taZarSi gaCenili<br />
xanZris gamo romis pap franciskes<br />
TanagrZnobis werili gaug-<br />
zavna. werilSi aRniSnulia `lo-<br />
cvasa Sina Tqveni momxsenebeli~.<br />
ganmarteT es sityvebi, romelic<br />
aseve miTqma-moTqmis safuZveli<br />
gaxda. ratom ixseniebs `locvasa<br />
Sina~ patriarqi romis paps?<br />
_ rogorc mogexsenebaT, saqar-<br />
Tvelos marTlmadidebel eklesias,<br />
yvela sxva marTlmadidebeli<br />
eklesiis msgavsad, ar aqvs<br />
evqaristiuli kavSiri romis ka-<br />
Tolike eklesiasTan, magram es ar<br />
niSnavs imas, rom saqarTvelos<br />
patriarqma Tavis pirad locveb-<br />
Si ar moixsenios ama Tu im eklesiis<br />
meTauri Tu nebismieri adamiani.<br />
`locvasa Sina~ romis papisadmi<br />
mimarTuli, gulisxmobs saqarTvelos<br />
patriarqis pirad locvebSi<br />
mis moxseniebas da, aramc<br />
da aramc, evqaristiuli kavSiris<br />
dros. msgavsad moiqca saqarTvelos<br />
kaTolikos-patriarqi, rodesac<br />
ramdenime wlis win saqarTveloSi<br />
stumrad myof romis paps<br />
mimarTa: `qristesmier sayvarelo<br />
Zmao, RmerTma dalocos Cveni ori<br />
eklesia~. raSic araferi sagangaSo<br />
araa, miT umetes, rom mar-<br />
Tlmadidebel eklesiebsa da romis<br />
eklesias Soris gamarTul dialogebSi,<br />
romelic eklesiebis<br />
daaxloebas emsaxureba, saqarTvelos<br />
eklesiac aqtiurad monawileobs.<br />
_ aqve gavixseneb imas, Tu ra<br />
obstruqcia mouwyves romis paps<br />
calkeulma sasuliero jgufebma<br />
Tqven mier naxsenebi viziti-<br />
sas. ramdenad iyo SesaZlebeli<br />
maTi daSoSmineba Tundac patri-<br />
arqis mowodebis safuZvelze?<br />
_ vfiqrob, rom im jgufebisad-<br />
mi, romelmac romis paps misi<br />
vizitisas obstruqcia mouwyo,<br />
TviT patriarqis sityvasac ar<br />
aqvs aranairi mniSvneloba. Tumca,<br />
aqve aRvniSnav, rom msgavsi qmedebebi<br />
ufro sxva gzebiTa da saSualebiT<br />
unda gvardebodes.<br />
_ ise, sainteresoa Tqveni mosazreba,<br />
ratom miiCneven qarTveli<br />
marTlmadideblebi kaTolikeebsa<br />
da qristianobis sxva mim-<br />
devrebs mtrebad?<br />
_ vfiqrob, rom kaTolikeebisa<br />
da qristianobis sxva mimdevrebis<br />
mtrebad gamocxadeba aris fanatizmisa<br />
da fundamentalizmis<br />
Sedegebi, rac namdvilad arasasurvel<br />
suraTs qmnis saqarTvelos<br />
marTlmadidebel eklesiaSi.<br />
es gamowveulia aseve arasakmarisi<br />
informaciisa da ganmartebebis<br />
gamo, rac xsenebul TemasTan<br />
mimarTebiT arsebobs. gana, basili<br />
didi eklesias ar xedavs mraval<br />
nawilad dayofils? xolo patriarqi<br />
tarasiosi ambobs: `vxedav<br />
Cveni RmerTis, qristes kldeze<br />
dafuZnebul eklesias ganyofils<br />
da dayofils... da aRmosavleTis<br />
Tanamorwmune qristianebs sxvagvarad~.<br />
metic: markoz evgenikosi<br />
feraraSi Casvlisas ambobda:<br />
`dRes qristes sxeulis wevrebi,<br />
mravali wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />
ganyofilni da ganxeTqilebaSi<br />
myofni, erTmaneTSi gaerTianebisken<br />
iswrafvian. ar isaTnovebs<br />
qriste RmerTi _ eklesiis Tavi,<br />
dayofil sxeuls...~<br />
_ dReis mdgomareobiT ra migaCniaT<br />
saqarTvelos marTlma-<br />
didebeli eklesiis umTavres<br />
problemad?<br />
_ ganaTleba.<br />
_ sakmaod lakoniuri da mrav-<br />
lismetyveli pasuxia. ramdenime<br />
xnis win sapatriarqos warmomadgenelma<br />
Tqven patara impera-<br />
tori giwodaT, daaknina uamravi<br />
adamiani da mtrebic ki daasaxela.<br />
ramdenad jdeba es Sefasebe-<br />
bi qristianuli Tanacxovrebis,<br />
eklesiis ganviTarebisa da Teo-<br />
logiuri swavlebis konteqstSi?<br />
_ saqarTvelos sapatriarqos<br />
warmomadgenlis mier Cem mimarT<br />
msgavsi absurduli, dausabuTebeli<br />
da araseriozuli braldebebisadmi<br />
pasuxi ar gamicia da arc<br />
samomavlod vapireb. didi marxvis<br />
periodSi, rodesac yvela qristiani<br />
cdilobs, simSvidesa da<br />
TavSekavebulobaSi icxovros, sasuliero<br />
pirisa da Tan sapatriarqos<br />
spikeris mier, sajarod,<br />
Cemdami gamoTqmul aseT dausabuTebel<br />
gancxadebebze mxolod<br />
is damrCenia, ufals vTxovo, rom<br />
miutevos es ciliswamebani da sxva<br />
dros Tavisi gansxvavebuli azri<br />
naTlad, gasagebad da argumentirebulad<br />
gadmosces.<br />
_ ramdenime dReSi aRdgomaa,<br />
ras usurvebdiT qarTvel mrevls,<br />
saqarTvelos marTlmadidebel<br />
eklesias da qristian-<br />
ul samyaros?<br />
_ qarTvel mrevls vusurvebdi<br />
qristeSi erTobas, simSvidesa<br />
da siyvaruls moyvasisadmi da,<br />
zogadad, yvela adamianisadmi,<br />
rac dRes esoden deficituria<br />
eklesiaSi _ vusurvebdi pirovnul<br />
Tavisuflebas, rac udidesi<br />
monapovaria qristianobisa da<br />
rac yovelgvari kerpTayvanismcemlobisa<br />
da pirovnuli gandidebebisgan<br />
icavs qristians.<br />
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`politika beselia-kobaxiZis<br />
arian adamianebi, romlebic Ta-<br />
gega silagava<br />
vianT saqmes kargad akeTeben, ma-<br />
gram arian adamianebi, romlebic<br />
TavianT saqmes gamorCeulad kargad akeTeben. erT-erTi aseTi<br />
adamiania Tengiz abloTia _ Jurnalisti, publicisti da anal-<br />
itikosi, romelic ara mxolod kargad akeTebs Tavis saqmes,<br />
aramed _ gonivrulad. qarTulenovani mkiTxveli mas naklebad<br />
icnobs. qarTuli media masze ar saubrobs, ar Targmnis mis pub-<br />
likaciebs, qarTuli televiziebi ar iwveven Toq SouebSi da amiT<br />
mas araferi akldeba. akldeba imas, vinc mas gverds uvlis.<br />
`qronika+~ Seecada, Tengiz<br />
abloTiasTvis iseTi kiTxvebi<br />
daesva, razedac TiTqos bevri<br />
Cvengani dafiqrebula, magram<br />
umetesobas is pasuxebi ar gaucia,<br />
rasac qvemoT waikiTxavT:<br />
_ Tengiz abloTia Jurnalis-<br />
tikaSi Semdgari brendia. Seni<br />
publikaciebi mudam gansjis sa-<br />
gani xdeba da arc auditoriis<br />
naklebobas gancidi. am fonze<br />
qarTveli mkiTxvelis mxolod<br />
mcire nawili gicnobs. Jurnalis-<br />
turi wreebis aRiarebaze araf-<br />
ers vambob, aq klanuri principi<br />
moqmedebs, mogexseneba. amis miuxedavad,<br />
Sen erT-erTi yve-<br />
laze kiTxvadi qarTveli avtori<br />
xar. vidre intervius ZiriTad<br />
Temebze gadavalT, saintereso<br />
iqneba Seni xedva Semdeg sakiTxe-<br />
bze: rogor Seafasebdi qarTul<br />
JurnalistikaSi arsebul viTare-<br />
bas da ra ganapirobebs qarTul<br />
mediaSi, gnebavs, sazogadoebaSi,<br />
gonieri azris deficits?<br />
_ gonieri azris deficiti araa<br />
mxolod JurnalistikaSi, es movlena<br />
damaxasiaTebelia yvelaferi<br />
danarCenisTvisac. qveyanaSi, sadac<br />
azartul TamaSebze ufro meti<br />
ixarjeba, vidre _ kvebaze, gonierebasa<br />
da racionalizmze saer-<br />
Tod zedmetia saubari.<br />
amis mizezi ki isaa, rom qarTvelebis<br />
umetesoba Tu ara, didi<br />
nawili mainc, gonebrivad da emociurad<br />
aris bavSvi, asakis miuxedavad.<br />
bavSvuri azrovneba aqvT,<br />
romelsac, pirvel rigSi, axasiaTebs<br />
emociebze ayola da saRi<br />
gonebis ararseboba.<br />
iyo erTi cnobili rusi msaxiobi,<br />
zinovi gerdti. man erTxel<br />
Tqva: `gviJdebi, ise miyvars saqar-<br />
Tvelo. es aris Zalian uSualo da<br />
bavSvuri qveyana~.<br />
gerdtis naTqvami iyo komplimenti...<br />
Tumca, realur cxovreba-<br />
Si, amas aqvs bevrad ufro sastiki<br />
da daundobeli Sefaseba _ infantilizmi.<br />
es daavadeba mogvyveba saqar-<br />
Tvelos istoriis yvelaze samarcxvino<br />
periodidan _ breJnevis<br />
epoqidan, 70-80-iani wlebidan,<br />
rodesac qarTvelebs eqceodnen,<br />
rogorc ganebivrebul bavSvebs.<br />
ssrk daiSala, magram es infantilizmi<br />
darCa. gadaxedeT, rogor<br />
daufiqreblad iReben qarTvelebi<br />
umniSvnelovanes gadawyvetilebebs<br />
_ valis aRebas, biznesis dawyebas,<br />
emigraciaSi wasvlas _ yovelgvari<br />
gaazrebis gareSe, emociurad,<br />
ganwyobiT: `ara uSavs, rames<br />
movifiqreb~.<br />
kidev daukvirdiT erT adgilobriv<br />
fenomens _ qarTvelebis<br />
umravlesoba cxovrobs mudmivi<br />
Cxubisa da butiaobis reJimSi _<br />
eCxubebian da ebutebian yvelas:<br />
mezoblebs, TanamSromlebs, naTesavebs,<br />
maRaziis gamyidvelebs...<br />
esec xom bavSvuri saqcielia.<br />
ginaxavT normalur, zrdasrul<br />
qveyanaSi, rom 50 wlis kacma restoranSi<br />
iCxuba? gamoricxulia!<br />
es SeiZleba erTeuli SemTxveva<br />
iyos. CvenTan ki Cveulebrivi, normaluri<br />
ambavia.<br />
_ barem aqve vikiTxav, aris<br />
aseTi xumroba: saqarTveloSi<br />
vinc dedam dawyevla, yvela eqsp-<br />
erti gaxdao. Tumca qarTuli<br />
saeqsperto da analitikuri `sko-<br />
la~ bevrad CamorCeba Tundac<br />
mezobeli saxelmwifoebis stan-<br />
dartebs, dasavlurze rom arafe-<br />
ri vTqva. aq ra problemas xedav<br />
da rogor fiqrob, ratom ar wer-<br />
en da mxolod zepirsityvaoben<br />
qarTveli analitikosebi da<br />
eqspertebi?<br />
_ aqac tradiciul qarTul<br />
senTan gvaqvs saqme _ zedapirulobasTan.<br />
Cven yvela vicnobT<br />
uamrav adamians, romelmac TiTqos<br />
raRaca Tema icis, Tumca kargad<br />
rom CaeZioT, xelSi SegrCebaT<br />
ramdenime dazepirebuli postulati,<br />
yovelgvari siRrmis gareSe.<br />
ai, ise, rogorc morwmuneebis<br />
umravlesoba, romelic 10 mcnebas<br />
ver CamogiTvlis, Tumca Tavs miiCnevs<br />
religiurad.<br />
Tengiz abloTia:<br />
`eri unda<br />
gamovides<br />
sabavSvo baRis<br />
asakidan da<br />
wavides<br />
skolaSi~<br />
rac Seexeba eqspertebs, daukvirdiT<br />
_ maincdamainc politikaSi<br />
ratom aris amdeni vaieqsperti?<br />
imitom, rom SedarebiT martivia.<br />
Tu ginda iyo fizikosi, unda<br />
icode fizika, inJinerul saqmianobaSi<br />
unda icode inJinroba, da<br />
a. S. Sesabamisad, profesiebis didi<br />
nawili iTxovs raRac konkretul<br />
codnas da unarebs, romelTa gadamowmebac<br />
advilia, da, ase vTqvaT,<br />
`dabolebac~ Znelia.<br />
aba, miTxariT, ra unda icodes<br />
eqspertma politikis dargSi?<br />
araferi iseTi, risi codnis swrafad<br />
gadamowmebac SesaZlebelia.<br />
unda erkveodes politikaSi, sul<br />
esaa. Tu gaviTvaliswinebT, rom<br />
CvenTan politikaSi yvelaze ukeTesad<br />
erkvevian taqsistebi, xolo<br />
Tavad politika daeca beselia-kobaxiZis<br />
Cxubis donemde _ ra<br />
gasakviria, rom bevrs uxaria politeqspertoba?<br />
saerTodac, ratomaa saqarTveloSi<br />
aseTi popularuli politikosoba?<br />
_ zustad amitom. politika<br />
ar aRiqmeba, rogorc calke<br />
aRebuli profesia, radganac<br />
is ar moiTxovs fizikis an qimiis,<br />
xatvis an simReris codnas.<br />
mSvenieria _ araferi ici, araferi<br />
SegiZlia, araviTari sasargeblo<br />
unar-Cveva ar gagaCnia, magram,<br />
amave dros, dRe da Rame ekranze<br />
xar, Senze Wkviani xalxi<br />
azrs gekiTxeba, fulic gaqvs, jipic,<br />
qalebsac moswonxar.<br />
vinmes gikvirT, ratomaa saqar-<br />
TveloSi 200 partia? qarTuli<br />
sizarmacidan da sulswrafobidan<br />
gamomdinare _ wesiT, metic unda<br />
iyos.<br />
_ Sen Tvalwin Caiara qveynis<br />
damoukideblobis yvela proces-<br />
ma. rac Tavi maxsovs, ar yofila<br />
Tundac umniSvnelo Tema, romel-<br />
sac ar gamoxmaurebodi. Zneli<br />
iqneba erT kiTxvaSi pasuxis Cateva,<br />
magram dRevandeli gadasaxe-<br />
didan Tu SevafasebT, rogor<br />
daaxasiaTebdi Tanamedrove qar-<br />
Tul saxelmwifos da gzas, romelic<br />
damoukideblobis mopovebidan<br />
dRevandelobamde gamovi-<br />
areT?<br />
_ damoukidebloba gvaqvs zustad<br />
iseTive, rogoric iyo damoukideblobisTvis<br />
brZola _ spontanuri,<br />
gauazrebeli, emociuri,<br />
da, saboloo jamSi, isev _ bavSvuri.<br />
80-ian wlebSi dawyebuli erovnuli<br />
moZraoba ar iyo qarTveli<br />
xalxis mxridan gansakuTrebuli<br />
fiqrisa da gansjis Sedegi. es iyo<br />
isev patara bavSvis axireba.<br />
patara bavSvs mobezrda erTi<br />
saTamaSo _ ssrk da moindoma meore.<br />
amaSi Rrma azri ar iyo imaze<br />
meti, rodesac 5 wlis bavSvs moswyinda<br />
saTamaSo traqtori da moindoma<br />
aseve saTamaSo TviTmfrinavi.<br />
roca mesmis sityvebi: `qarTveli<br />
xalxi ssrk-s periodSi ibrZoda<br />
TavisuflebisTvis _ mecineba.<br />
qarTveli xalxi im dros Tu ramisTvis<br />
ibrZoda _ es iyo `volga<br />
24-10", servizi `madona~ da 12-na-<br />
Turiani Cexuri brolis WaRi.<br />
dRevandeli gadasaxedidan gasakviri<br />
isaa, es qveyana saerTod<br />
rom ar daingra da dRemde movida<br />
im politikuri elitis gadamkide,<br />
romelic erovnuli moZraobis<br />
dasawyisSi iyo. rogorc<br />
Cans, qarTveli xalxis TviTganadgurebisken<br />
midrekilebasac aqvs<br />
sazRvari _ ufskrulTan misul<br />
`CvenTan politikaSi yvelaze ukeTesad<br />
erkvevian taqsistebi, xolo Tavad<br />
politika daeca beselia-kobaxiZis<br />
Cxubis donemde - ra gasakviria, rom<br />
bevrs uxaria politeqspertoba?~<br />
erSi iRviZebs TviTgadarCenis instinqti.<br />
mcire xniT. mere isev<br />
iZinebs momaval ufskrulamde.<br />
darwmunebuli var, qarTveli<br />
xalxis did nawils cali TvaliT<br />
rom enaxa winaswar yvelaferi, rac<br />
mohyva damoukideblobis mopovebas<br />
_ aucileblad uars ityoda am<br />
ideaze.<br />
bavSvs ki mobezrda saTamaSi<br />
traqtori, magram ara imdenad,<br />
rom Tavisi nebiT gadaetana is<br />
kataklizmebi, rac mas 1989 wlis<br />
Semdeg moeloda.<br />
dRes saqarTveloSi rusuli<br />
jari rom Semovides, 1921 weli<br />
gameordeba. mcire nawili SeewinaaRmdegeba,<br />
magram umravlesoba<br />
araferSi Caereva. mere erTi-ori<br />
kvira gaebutebian rusebs, mere<br />
rusebi moeferebian, erT-or tkbil<br />
sityvas etyvian da amiT mor-<br />
Ceba yvelaferi.<br />
_ Zalian mZimea am Sefasebis<br />
mosmena... Tanamedrove qarTul<br />
politikaSi gansakuTrebiT es<br />
tendencia SeimCneva 2008 wlis<br />
Semdeg, nel-nela gaqra okupire-<br />
buli teritoriebis Tema, rog-<br />
orc politikuri dRis wesrigis<br />
umTavresi sakiTxi. ar vambob, rom<br />
am mxriv kuluarebSi araferi<br />
xdeba, magram faqtia, rom es Tema<br />
gamqralia qarTuli mediidanac,<br />
garda calkeul faqtebze gamox-<br />
maurebebisa. realurad ar mind-<br />
inareobs diskusia momaval Tan-<br />
acxovrebaze<br />
xovrebaze, modelebze: `rogor<br />
davibrunoT~, `davbrundeT~ an<br />
`ra arCevani gvaqvs~ am mimarTulebiT.<br />
ras ukavSireb am mdgomar-<br />
eobas da rogorc am Temaze mravali<br />
publikaciis avtori, sad xedav<br />
gamosavals, Tu saerTod ar-<br />
sebobs gamosavali dRevandel<br />
mocemulobaSi?<br />
_ ratomRac, saqarTveloSi ase-<br />
Ti warmodgena arsebobs, rom yvela<br />
situaciidan aris raRac gamosavali.<br />
cota ginaxavT cxovreba-<br />
Si situaciebi, sadac gamosavali<br />
ar arsebobs? bolos da bolos,<br />
yvelani erTxelac movkvdebiT,<br />
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Cxubis donemde daeca~<br />
amaze meti gamouvali situacia<br />
arsebobs ki?<br />
rac Seexeba teritoriebs, es<br />
zustad is sakiTxia, sadac gamosavali<br />
ar arsebobs. teritoriebis<br />
dabruneba SesaZlebeli iqneba<br />
mxolod ruseTis an ukiduresi<br />
dasustebis, an iq saxelmwifo wyobilebis<br />
Secvlis SemTxvevaSi.<br />
sanam putini xelisuflebaSia, amaze<br />
fiqric ki ar Rirs, putinis Semdeg<br />
_ SesaZlebelia gaixsnas patara<br />
fanjara. isic _ `SesaZlebelia~,<br />
xolo garantia ar arsebobs.<br />
dRevandeli qarTuli politika<br />
okupirebuli teritoriebis<br />
mimarT aris ara mxolod usargeblo,<br />
aramed saziano da damamcirebeli.<br />
albaT, saqme is aris, rom,<br />
magaliTad, afxazeTis sakiTxze<br />
muSaoben adamianebi, romlebsac<br />
cocxali afxazi ar unaxavT arasdros<br />
_ maqsimum, sadme JenevaSi,<br />
raRac uazro saerTaSoriso formatSi.<br />
ukeTes SemTxvevaSi _ 80-ian<br />
wlebSi biWvinTaSi, plaJze.<br />
maT ar ician, rom aranairi Zmoba<br />
da megobroba erebs Soris axlosac<br />
ar iyo realobasTan arc afxazeTSi<br />
da arc cxinvalSi. gavrcelebuli<br />
mcdelobebi, gasaRdes<br />
es konfliqtebi mxolod rogorc<br />
rusul-qarTuli da, am dros,<br />
`Cveni afxazi da osi Zmebi Cven<br />
gvelodebian~, _ aris sisulele.<br />
arc osebi, da miT umetes, arc<br />
afxazebi ar arian da arasdros<br />
yofilan Cveni Zmebi da es mudmivi<br />
xmamaRali laparaki Zmobaze maT<br />
mier aRiqmeba, rogorc qarTvelebis<br />
simxdalis maCvenebeli.<br />
dagvcinian amis gamo.<br />
gamosavali erTia _ Sewydes<br />
saqarTvelos daumTavrebeli damcireba,<br />
gauqmdes yvelanairi uazro<br />
saerTaSoriso molaparakebebi,<br />
darCes mxolod adgilobrivi mni-<br />
Svnelobis kontaqtebi, rogorc<br />
ergneTSi da rogorc iyo, Tavis<br />
droze, afxazeTSi _ WuburxinjSi,<br />
sadac ganixileboda, vin vis ramdeni<br />
Zroxa mopara.<br />
Sewydes aseve samedicino programebi<br />
_ Cven ar varT valdebulebi,<br />
vumkurnaloT mtrebs,<br />
Tanac yovelgvari madlierebis<br />
gareSe.<br />
daiviwyeT, rom iq sadRac aris<br />
dakarguli teritoriebi, ar mivceT<br />
ruseTs am sakiTxiT spekulirebis<br />
saSualeba da vaSenoT saxelmwifo.<br />
esaa erTaderTi pasuxi<br />
teritoriebis warTmevaze.<br />
unda movemzadoT imisTvis, rom<br />
erTxelac SesaZleblobebis fanjara<br />
gaixsneba da Cven amas unda<br />
davxvdeT mzad.<br />
_ saqarTvelo, ruseTi da sa-<br />
frTxeebi amouwuravi msjelobis<br />
Temaa. dRevandeli xelisufleb-<br />
is oponentebi acxadeben, rom<br />
xelisufleba ruseTTan mimarTe-<br />
biT unda iyos ufro mkveTri da<br />
agresiuli politikis matarebeli.<br />
amavdroulad, arsebuli xelisufleba<br />
cdilobs status-<br />
kvos SenarCunebas da argaRizianebis<br />
politikas emxroba. parale-<br />
lurad, Cven vxedavT konkretul<br />
nabijebsac ruseTis sapirwoned<br />
dasavleTTan realurad dasaax-<br />
loveblad: asocirebis xelSekruleba,<br />
vizaliberalizacia, na-<br />
tosTan TanamSromlobis gaZl-<br />
iereba, razedac calke davsvam<br />
kiTxvas. amjerad ki zemoTqmulis<br />
konteqstSi vikiTxav, _ ramdenad<br />
vumklavdebiT ruseTidan momav-<br />
al safrTxeebs, Tundac hibrid<br />
brid-<br />
uli omis xilul elementebs da<br />
ramdenad pragmatulia politika,<br />
romelsac dRes ruseTTan mima-<br />
rTebiT xelisufleba awarmoebs?<br />
ra unda Seicvalos am mxriv?<br />
_ `ocnebis~ pragmatuli politika<br />
ruseTTan mimarTebiT aris<br />
miTi. sinamdvileSi is, riTac xelisufleba<br />
iwonebs Tavs _ saer-<br />
Tod araa misi damsaxureba.<br />
_ anu?<br />
_ magaliTad, is, rom ruseTi ar<br />
esxmis Tavs saqarTvelos da omi<br />
ar ganaxlda. erTi SexedviT, es<br />
marTlac asea, Tumca mizezebi<br />
sul sxvaa, vidre `ocnebas~ surs<br />
warmoaCinos. pirveli mizezi isaa,<br />
rom ruseTs sababebi amoewura.<br />
saqarTveloSi umetesobas araswori<br />
da zedapiruli warmodgena<br />
aqvs putinze, rogorc pirsisxlian,<br />
oms mowyurebul diqtatorze,<br />
romelic ar icavs aranair<br />
wesebs da moqmedebs mxolod sakuTari<br />
survilebisamebr.<br />
realurad ki!!! putini sul sxva<br />
tipis politikosia da misTvis<br />
formalur mxares, procedurebs<br />
didi mniSvneloba aqvs. is araa<br />
stalini, is aris mafiozi, Suleri,<br />
romelmac zustad icis TamaSis<br />
wesebi da icavs mas. daukvirdiT _<br />
saqarTveloSic, moldovaSic,<br />
ukrainaSic is ar Sedis teritoriebze,<br />
sadac araloialuri mosaxleoba<br />
cxovrobs, iq, sadac mas<br />
an SeewinaaRmdegebian, an, minimum,<br />
ar etyvian madlobas!!!<br />
am konteqstSi ruseTma amowura<br />
SesaZleblobebi _ meti ar dar-<br />
Ca saqarTveloSi teritoria, sadac<br />
rusul jars taS-fanduriT<br />
Sexvdebian. swored amitom uwevs<br />
mas mavTulxlarTebiT manipulireba<br />
_ dasapyrobad mosaxerxebeli<br />
sxva teritoriebi saqarTveloSi<br />
aRar darCa, TbilisSi ki is<br />
ar Seva _ es zedmetad rTulia<br />
politikuri TvalsazrisiT.<br />
meore mizezi, ris gamoc ruse-<br />
Ti ar omobs saqarTvelosTan _ is<br />
dakavebulia sxva qveynebiT. dRes<br />
saqarTvelo aris ruseTisTvis<br />
meore ki ara, mesame planze. dRes<br />
ruseTis mTeli agresia mimarTulia<br />
gacilebiT seriozul mowinaaRmdegeze<br />
_ ukrainaze. am situaciaSi<br />
saqarTvelom droebiT<br />
dakarga aqtualuroba.<br />
swored amiT aixsneba Sedarebi-<br />
Ti simSvide qarTul-rusul<br />
`frontze~, Tanac realuri problemebi<br />
qveynebs Soris arsad gamqrala<br />
da tyuilad fiqrobs vinme,<br />
rom ritorikis Serbileba da Tundac<br />
natoze uaris Tqma sakmarisia<br />
moskovTan urTierTobebis<br />
`dasalageblad~.<br />
metic, rusuli politika ase<br />
muSaobs _ erTi daTmobis Semdeg<br />
moiTxoven kidev erTs, Semdeg meores<br />
da bolos _ an mogiwevT,<br />
faqtobrivad, suverenitetsa da<br />
strategiul proeqtebze uaris<br />
Tqma, an urTierTobebis isev<br />
`SeiZleba, bavSvuri butiaobis garda moeZebnos raime logikuri, zrdasruli<br />
adamianisTvis Sesaferisi axsna imas, rac axla xdeba avlabris prezidentis<br />
sasaxlis irgvliv? gabutulebi ar Sedian SenobaSi, Tumca xvdebian, rom<br />
saWiroa da amitom erTdroulad inaxaven or Senobas - aTonelisa da<br />
avlabris rezidencias. arsebobs qveyana germania, sadac cxovroben<br />
germanelebi - Zalian Wkviani da seriozuli xalxi. dRes qveynis parlamenti<br />
raixstagSi muSaobs, anu SenobaSi, sadac 1933-1945 wlebSi muSaobda hitleri.<br />
ratomRac, arc erT germanels ar mosvlia azrad am Senobis dacarieleba<br />
im mizeziT, rom is "borotebis simboloa". ai, ase iqcevian zrdasruli erebi<br />
da maTi zrdasruli politikosebi~<br />
gafuWeba.<br />
yvelaze cudi ki, rac xdeba _<br />
es aris ruseTze saqarTvelos ekonomikis<br />
damokidebulebis swrafi<br />
zrda. `ocneba~ ver acnobierebs,<br />
ramxela safrTxeSi agdebs qveyanas<br />
an amas specialurad akeTebs.<br />
dRes ukve ruseTi qarTuli produqciis<br />
umsxvilesi importioria,<br />
ruseTi aseve axlosaa imasTan,<br />
rom daikavos pirveli adgili turistebis<br />
raodenobis mxriv.<br />
aravin icis, rodis da ra sababiT<br />
moxdeba am axalgaCenili berketebis<br />
gamoyeneba, rodesac saqarTvelo<br />
ukve kritikulad damokidebuli<br />
iqneba ruseTze. es araa<br />
pragmatizmi. ukeTes SemTxvevaSi,<br />
es aris sibece, uaresSi _ kapitulaciis<br />
Semzadeba. jobia, saerTod<br />
ar gqondes araviTari urTierTobebi<br />
ruseTTan, vidre _ aseTi.<br />
_ natos generalur mdivan ian<br />
stoltenbergis saqarTveloSi<br />
bolo vizitis dros uprecedento<br />
ram moxda, gaimarTa swavle-<br />
ba, romelic aliansis arawevri<br />
saxelmwifosTvis gulisxmobs<br />
mexuTe punqtis amoqmedebis<br />
gareSe qmediT daxmarebas _<br />
adekvatur atur moqmedebas samxedro<br />
agresiis pirobebSi. rogor Seafasebdi<br />
am faqts da risi maniSne-<br />
belia is?<br />
_ me ar mjera, rom natos arawevri<br />
qveynisTvis samxedro daxmarebis<br />
gawevis politikuri neba<br />
aqvs, miT umetes, rodesac saubaria<br />
erT mxares saqarTveloze, meore<br />
mxares ki _ ruseTze. erT<br />
rameSi veTanxmebi prorus politikosebs<br />
_ nato Cven ar dagvicavs<br />
da arc wevrad migviRebs mTeli<br />
dadebiTi ritorikis miuxedavad.<br />
Tumca es imas ar niSnavs, rom<br />
Zalisxmeva am mxriv Sewydes _ esec<br />
iqneboda bavSvuri saqcieli _ ar<br />
gviReben da modi, gavebutoT.<br />
zrdasrul adamianTa samyaroSi<br />
amocanis sirTule ar niSnavs miznis<br />
miRwevaze uaris Tqmas.<br />
sinamdvileSi, gza natosken ufro<br />
mniSvnelovania, vidre Tavad<br />
nato. pirvel rigSi, saqarTvelosnair,<br />
realobebs Soris gaWedili<br />
qveynisTvis aucilebelia raRac<br />
didi, Tundac Znelad misaRwevi<br />
mizani _ swored aseTi miznebi<br />
axdens qveynebis gadaqcevas gaurkveveli<br />
teritoriebidan saxelmwifoebad.<br />
es aris erTgvari erovnuli<br />
ideologia. saerTod, es<br />
cneba _ erovnuli ideologia _<br />
Zalian uyvarT qarTvel urapatriotebs<br />
da is pirdapiri gagebiT<br />
esmiT. maTi azriT, Wkviani adamianebis<br />
jgufi unda dajdes, imsjelos<br />
da daweros erovnuli ideologia<br />
Camoyalibebuli punqtebad.<br />
realurad, es ase arasdros<br />
xdeba _ erovnuli ideologia araa<br />
raRac maRalfardovani strategia,<br />
romelic dawera xuTma, viTom<br />
yvelaze Wkvianma adamianma.<br />
erovnuli ideologia aris is,<br />
saiTkenac midis qveyana, ZiriTadi<br />
mimarTuleba, qveynis saboloo<br />
mizani. amis dawera SeuZlebelia.<br />
saxelmwifo, romelsac ar gaaCnia<br />
mizani, verasdros wava win da or-<br />
Robis doneze darCeba. rogorc<br />
rusebi amboben, _ vinc ar riskavs,<br />
is ar svams Sampanurs.<br />
garda amisa, Tavad natosTan<br />
daaxloebis procesi Zalze mniSvnelovania<br />
saqarTvelosTvis da<br />
swored masTanaa dakavSirebuli<br />
saqarTveloSi reformebis ganxorcieleba,<br />
civilizebuli Tama-<br />
Sis wesebis damyareba da a. S.<br />
erTi sityviT, natosken mimaval<br />
gzaze Cven SegviZlia mivi-<br />
RoT gacilebiT meti, vidre Tavad<br />
natos wevroba. amitomac es<br />
politika unda gagrZeldes yvelafris<br />
miuxedavad.<br />
_ aseTi kiTxvac maqvs: erTerT<br />
interviuSi saqarTvelos me-<br />
same prezidentma ganacxada, rom,<br />
Tavis droze, ruseTisTvis keTdeboda<br />
SeTavazeba _ uxeS peri-<br />
frazs gavakeTeb: dagvibruneT<br />
afxazeTi azeTi da Cven uars vityviT<br />
natoze. rogor fiqrob, ramdenad<br />
pragmatuli iyo da aris aseTi<br />
SeTavazeba im pirobebSi, rodesac<br />
cxadze ucxadesia _ saqarTvelo<br />
ruseTis guberniac rom gaxdes,<br />
is arafris dambrunebeli ar<br />
aris?<br />
_ pirvel rigSi, es mcdeloba<br />
aucilebelia sworedac imitom,<br />
rom am Temaze erTxel da samudamod<br />
Sewydes yovelgvari spekulaciebi.<br />
ise, es gaugebari molodini,<br />
rom ruseTi kargi saqcielis<br />
sanacvlod dagvibrunebs teritoriebs<br />
_ esec qarTuli infantilizmis<br />
erT-erTi araCveulebrivi<br />
gamovlinebaa.<br />
gagrZeleba 28-e gv.<br />
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`laSa nacvliSvilma Tavis<br />
advokati mixeil ramiSvili erTi<br />
giorgi abaSiZe<br />
Tvis win sazogadoebis winaSe axa-<br />
li ampluiT wardga _ `kanoni da<br />
samarTlis~ damfuZnebel yrilobaze igi partiis aRmasrulebel<br />
mdivnad airCies. `qronika+~ dainteresda, Tu ris gakeTebas<br />
apirebs xmauriani uflebadamcveli politikaSi? mixeil ramiS-<br />
vilis TqmiT, misi, rogorc politikosis mTavari mizani ko-<br />
rufciuli da kriminaluri mentalobis aRmofxvra, amasTan, qvey-<br />
anaSi samarTliani, anu iseTi garemos Seqmnaa, sadac adamianebs<br />
SerCeviT, e. i., imis mixedviT ar dasjian, patroni hyavs Tu ara.<br />
amas garda, mixeil ramiSvili,<br />
`kanonisa da samarTlis~ gundTan<br />
erTad, principSi, revoluciur<br />
kanonproeqtze muSaobs, romlis<br />
Tanaxmadac, saqarTveloSi aras-<br />
rulwlovanTa kolonia unda<br />
gauqmdes da mis nacvlad gasamxe-<br />
droebuli qvedanayofi Seiqmnas.<br />
rogorc mixeil ramiSvili am-<br />
bobs, am cvlilebis Semdeg moza-<br />
rdebi `damnaSaveTa samyarosadmi~<br />
interess dakargaven da, paralel-<br />
urad, patriotizmic amaRldeba.<br />
politikaSi wasuli advokati<br />
darwmunebulia, rom misi da misi<br />
Tanapartielebis es iniciativa<br />
araTu warmatebuli aRmoCndeba,<br />
aramed mTeli msofliosTvisac<br />
misabaZi gaxdeba.<br />
da kidev erTi: `qronika+~-ma<br />
SemTxveviT isargebla da mixeil<br />
ramiSvils, romelic sandro girgvlianis<br />
ojaxis pirveli advoka-<br />
ti iyo, imis Sesaxebac hkiTxa, ra<br />
codva miuZRvis girgvlianis saqmeSi<br />
murusiZes da Tu ratom cdi-<br />
lobs xelisufleba murusiZis `ga-<br />
pravebas~? am da sxva kiTxvebze<br />
pasuxebs winamdebare interviudan<br />
SeityobT:<br />
_ batono mixeil, politiko-<br />
sis ampluaSi es Tqveni pirveli<br />
interviua. advokat mixeil ramiS-<br />
vilis saqmianobas sazogadoeba<br />
kargad icnobs, magram ris gakeTe-<br />
bas apirebs da ra ideebi aqvs<br />
politikos mixeil ramiSvils?<br />
_ Cemi, rogorc politikaSi<br />
CarTuli adamianis, principia, rom<br />
prioritetuli Zalian bevri ise-<br />
Ti sakiTxi da Tema gaxdes, romliTac<br />
saxelmwifo marTvis sistema<br />
universaluri Tu ar iqneba, demokratiuli<br />
foni mainc Seiqmneba,<br />
raTa adamianebi saxelmwfodan ki<br />
ar gaiqcnen, aramed piriqiT, ukan<br />
dabrundnen. diax, Cven iseTi mar-<br />
Tvis meqanizmi unda SevqmnaT,<br />
romelic mTeli msofliosTvis<br />
TiTiT saCvenebeli da imis magaliTi<br />
iqneba, Tu ra SeuZlia marTvis<br />
swor da realur meqanizms.<br />
_ momiteveT, magram, mgoni,<br />
ocnebobT _ saqarTvelom marTvis<br />
iseTi modeli rogor unda Seqm-<br />
nas, romelic mTeli msoflios-<br />
Tvis misabaZi da samagaliTo iyos?<br />
_ amis gakeTeba Zalian martivad<br />
SeiZleba.<br />
_ 30 welia, erT wreze vtri-<br />
alebT da Tu marTvis misabaZi<br />
modelis Seqmna SesaZlebeli iyo,<br />
qveynis saTaveSi sxvadasxva dros<br />
myofi politikuri elitebi Seqm-<br />
nidnen.<br />
_ isini politikosebi ar iyvnen.<br />
_ erTi Tvea, `kanoni da samarT-<br />
lis~ aRmasrulebeli mdivani<br />
xarT da ukve politikosad miiC-<br />
nevT Tavs?<br />
_ politikosoba urTierTobaa!<br />
me Tu mkiTxavT, siyvarulic ki, Tavisi<br />
arsiTa da azriT, politikaa!<br />
_ siyvaruli politika ki ara<br />
RmerTia!<br />
_ iciT, ra? _ RmerTTan urTierTobac<br />
politikaa, anu adamiani<br />
arCevans akeTebs, ra kuTxiT unda<br />
wavides. arCevans Tavad RmerTi ga-<br />
Zlevs: an kargi gziT iare an cudi-<br />
To. mokled, politika arCevania da<br />
mTeli am 25 Tu 30 wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />
adamianebi politikas ki ara,<br />
politikaSi yofnisa da iq sakuTari<br />
Tavis warmoCenis arCevans ake-<br />
Tebdnen.<br />
erTi sityviT, erTaderTi, rac<br />
qveyanas gadaarCens da Cven, rogorc<br />
saxelmwifo SeviqmnebiT, momavali<br />
Taobis mentaloba, aRzrdis<br />
meTodi da iseTi garemos Seqmnaa,<br />
sadac adamianebs Tanasworobis<br />
principis SegrZneba eqnebaT da<br />
imasac gaiTaviseben, rom dausjelobis<br />
sindromi ar arsebobs!<br />
diax, iseTi garemo unda SevqmnaT,<br />
sadac viRacis Sviloba, ZmisSviloba<br />
ver gadawonis da ar ityvian,<br />
_ mere ra, rom danaSauli Caidina,<br />
vapatioT da gamoswordebao.<br />
ase ar SeiZleba. gamosworeba viRacis<br />
SvilobiT ki ara, imiT xdeba,<br />
roca yvela Tavis saqcielzea pasuxismgebeli!<br />
momavali Taoba ki<br />
imitom vaxsene, rom is im gziT dadis,<br />
romelsac ufrosebi utoveben,<br />
anu momavali TaobisTvis memkvidreobis<br />
gardasaxva Zalian rTulia.<br />
_ batono mixeil, Tundac xo-<br />
ravas tragedia imitom moxda, rom<br />
subelianis ojaxis arasrulwlovani<br />
wevrebi dausjelobis eifo-<br />
riaSi iyvnen?<br />
_ ki batono, asea.<br />
_ mentalobis Secvla sakmaod<br />
rTulia.<br />
_ diax, swored amazea saubari.<br />
ojaxebis umetesoba bavSvebs nebismier<br />
survils usrulebs. ra Tqma<br />
unda, yvelas kargad unda ecvas,<br />
magram, amavdroulad, naswavli da<br />
aRzrdilic unda iyos. samwuxarod,<br />
CvenTan ufrosi Taobis umetesoba<br />
Svilebis aRzrdaze ki ara,<br />
Cacma-daxurvazea gadarTuli. arada,<br />
ufrosi Taoba sxva kuTxiT<br />
unda iyos mobilizebuli.<br />
_ anu mSoblebs mouwodebT,<br />
rom Svilebs tansacmeli aRar<br />
uyidon?<br />
_ cxadia, ara, magram tansacmlis<br />
yidvamde bavSvis fsiqologiuri<br />
marTvis principi arsebobs,<br />
romelsac `50-50-ze~ hqvia, anu Tu<br />
bavSvi rame miuRebels gaakeTebs,<br />
xeli imitom ar unda daafaro, rom<br />
Seni Svilia. bavSvs rames imitom ar<br />
unda dahpirde, rom kargad moiqces.<br />
mozardis nebismier saqcielze<br />
pasuxismgebeli mSobelia.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, Cveni sisxlis samarTlis<br />
kodeqsi iTvaliswinebs<br />
garkveul danaSauls, roca bavSvis<br />
qmedebaze pasuxismgebloba mSobels<br />
ekisreba.<br />
`cixe<br />
adamians,<br />
miT umetes,<br />
mozards, ar<br />
asworebs~<br />
_ e. i. roca danaSauls aras-<br />
rulwlovani Svili sCadis, amis<br />
gamo mSobeli isjeba?<br />
_ sasjeli 14 wlis asakidan iwyeba.<br />
manamde ki bavSvma rac unda<br />
Caidinos, ar isjeba, Tumca pasuxi<br />
mSobels moeTxoveba, Tumca es muxli<br />
umoqmedoa. garda amisa, arsebobs<br />
`ganridebis~ cneba _ Tu 14<br />
wlamde asakis bavSvi danaSauls<br />
Caidens, SeiZleba Tqvan, modi, ganrideba<br />
gavukeToT da vapatioTo.<br />
_ 14 wlamde asakis mozardma<br />
mkvlelobac rom Caidinos, Sei-<br />
Zleba, rom mas ganrideba gauke-<br />
Ton?<br />
_ ara, mkvlelobis patieba ar<br />
xdeba, magram Cxubze, qurdobasa<br />
Tu xulignobaze ganridebas akeTeben<br />
xolme. quCaSi yovelTvis is<br />
liderobs, vinc `Sariani~ da CxubisTavia,<br />
amavdroulad, patronic<br />
hyavs da Sesabamisad, rac unda<br />
gaakeTos, patroni yvelafers ulagebs<br />
_ is ki ara, SeiZleba, masTan<br />
myofi pirebi daisajon, cixidan gamosul<br />
arasrulwlovans ki ukve<br />
sxva gza exsneba.<br />
_ es `sxva gza~ romelia?<br />
_ danaSaulis xelmeored Cadenis.<br />
Cven patara eri varT. Cveni tradiciebiT<br />
meomrebi da mebrZolebic<br />
varT _ yovelTvis Cvens sam-<br />
Soblos vicavdiT, Tumca dRes es<br />
patriotizmi aRar arsebobs da xelovnurad<br />
aris Camkvdari. ai, naxeT,<br />
ra pirobebSi uwevT cxovreba<br />
saqarTvelodan wasul emigrantebs<br />
safrangeTSi _ isini iq cxovrebis<br />
uflebas ver iReben da es TiToeuli<br />
Cvenganis pasuxismgeblobaa.<br />
_ ukacravad, emigraciaSi wasv-<br />
la patriotizmTan ra kavSirSia?<br />
_ Zalian Znelia imas, rac xdeba,<br />
gamarTleba mouZebno _ 4-5<br />
wlis bavSvi karavSi im mizniT acxovro,<br />
rom ucxo qveyanaSi, iqneb,<br />
cxovrebis ufleba mogcen.<br />
_ batono mixeil, adamianebi<br />
aseT riskze imitom midian, rom<br />
saqarTveloSi cxovreba dRiTi<br />
dRe gausaZlisi xdeba. amitom<br />
vinc qveynidan SimSiliT sikvdils<br />
gaurbis, patriotizms ver davu-<br />
wunebT!<br />
_ ra Tqma unda da mec swored<br />
magas vambob, rom garemos Zalian<br />
didi mniSvneloba aqvs _ roca<br />
uyurebs, misi ojaxisTvis prioritetuli<br />
ra aris, ai, aqedan iwyeba<br />
bavSvis, rogorc danaSaulis gzaze<br />
mavalis Camoyalibeba.<br />
_ yvelaferi es gasagebia, ma-<br />
gram mainc ar meubnebiT, ra gegma<br />
da idea gaqvT saamisod, rom<br />
mozardebSi danaSaulebrivi men-<br />
taloba aRmoifxvras?<br />
_ arasrulwlovani, romelic<br />
danaSauls Caidens, cixeSi ar unda<br />
wavides.<br />
_ aba, sad unda wavides?<br />
_ arasrulwlovanma damnaSaveebma<br />
sasjeli cixeSi ki ar unda<br />
moixadon, aramed maTTvis gasamxedroebuli<br />
baza unda Seiqmnas, sadac<br />
wavlen, magram im pirobebiT ki<br />
ara, rom, vTqvaT, SabaT-kviras saxlSi<br />
gamouSvan.<br />
zogadad, kriminaluri samyaros<br />
mentaloba aseTia _ ai, cixeSi vijeqi,<br />
ukve `Zveli biWi~ var da rasac<br />
minda, gavakeTebo, magram roca<br />
arasrulwlovani damnaSave samxedro<br />
sistemaSi moxvdeba, iqidan ise<br />
veRar gamova, rogorc `Zveli<br />
biWi~.<br />
_ arasrulwlovani damnaSavee-<br />
bis gasamxedroebuli danayofi<br />
Tavdacvis saministros unda<br />
eqvemdebarebodes?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda. am Temaze detalurad<br />
saubari Sors wagviyvans,<br />
magram erTs aucileblad getyviT:<br />
zogma SeiZleba ikiTxos, _ Tu arasrulwlovani<br />
mkvlelobas Caidens,<br />
cixis nacvlad samxedro samsaxur-<br />
Si ratom unda wavideso?<br />
_ es logikuri kiTxva iqneba,<br />
Tan isic ar dagaviwydeT, rom da-<br />
naSauls arasrulwlovani gog-<br />
onebic sCadian. maTac gasamxedroebul<br />
SenaerTSi xom ver gavuS-<br />
vebT?<br />
_ arasrulwlovani gogonebisTvisac<br />
arsebobs cixe, magram cixe<br />
arc am dawesebulebas unda erqvas.<br />
ise, samxedroSi qalebic xom arian?<br />
ai, magaliTad, israelis samxedro<br />
qvedanayofebi ulamazesi qalbatonebiT<br />
aris dakompleqtebuli...<br />
gogonas, romelic danaSauls<br />
sCadis, cixidan gamosvlis Semdeg<br />
`dRes Salva SavguliZisTvis Savi laqis<br />
mocxebasa da murusiZis gamarTlebas imitom<br />
cdiloben, rom Salvam politikuri gza<br />
airCia - maJoritarobis kandidatia.<br />
marTalia, maSin politikaSi ar viyavi, magram<br />
qorepiskoposma iakobma girgvlianis saqmeSi<br />
lamis axalaiebis agentad momnaTla - es<br />
imitom gakeTda, rom "cianidis saqmeSi" xels<br />
vuSlidi. dRes, roca gaigeben, rom partia<br />
"kanoni da samarTalis" aRmasrulebeli<br />
mdivani var, Cemzec ityvian, ramiSvili cudia,<br />
CinCalaZe da murusiZe ki kargebi ariano~<br />
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sibinZureebs mixedos!~<br />
politikaSi wasuli mixeil ramiSvili arasrulwlovanTa<br />
koloniis gauqmebis iniciativiT gamodis!<br />
yvela ise aRiqvams, rogorc kriminals,<br />
damnaSavesa da nacixars. amitom<br />
is yovelTvis kriminalebsa da<br />
danaSaulis Semadgenel jgufebs<br />
eZebs, sadac ganmeorebiTi danaSaulis<br />
Cadenis didi Sansi aqvs.<br />
organizebul danaSaulebriv<br />
samyaroSi kidev erTi aseTi cneba<br />
arsebobs _ Tu adamians odesme<br />
romelime Zalovan struqturasTan<br />
Sexeba hqonia an sajaro samsaxurSi<br />
muSaobda da umaRlesi aqvs<br />
damTavrebuli, kriminaluri samyaros<br />
srulfasovani wevri ver<br />
gaxdeba. Sesabamisad, bavSvi, romelic<br />
arasrulwlovanTa koloniaSi<br />
moxvda, srulwlovanebis asakis<br />
miRwevis Semdeg e. w. didebis cixe-<br />
Si gadadis, anu `malaletkebidan~<br />
`didebis cixeSi~ gadasuls Sesabamisi<br />
saxeli da is motivic aqvs, rom<br />
danaSauli kidev Caidinos. bavSvs<br />
ki, romelic danaSaulis Cadenis<br />
Semdeg samxedro qvedanayofSi moxvdeba,<br />
danaSaulis Cadenis survili<br />
aRar gauCndeba.<br />
_ samxedro qvedanayofSi aras-<br />
rulwlovani damnaSave ramden<br />
xans unda darCes?<br />
_ nebismieri danaSauli sasjelis<br />
vadas iTvaliswinebs. Sesabamisad,<br />
samxedro qvedanayofSi arasrulwlovanma<br />
imdeni xani unda gaataros,<br />
ramdensac mis mier Cadenili<br />
danaSaulis sasjeli gulisxmobs.<br />
_ e. i., batono mixeil, arasrulwlovanTa<br />
koloniis gauqmeb-<br />
is ideiT gamodixarT?<br />
_ arasrulwlovanTa kolonias<br />
saxeli unda gadaerqvas da arasrulwlovanTa<br />
samxedro baza daerqvas.<br />
_ ise, problema mxolod saxe-<br />
li araa.<br />
_ cxadia da, saxelTan erTad,<br />
struqturac unda Seicvalos.<br />
_ rogor?<br />
_ ar vambob, rom bavSvebs iaraRTan<br />
unda hqondeT Sexeba, magram<br />
maT samxedro swavleba unda gaiaron.<br />
saerTod, nebismieri mozardi<br />
plasteliniviTaa da SesaZloa, ise-<br />
Ti niWi aRmoaCndes, rom misgan<br />
kargi samxedro dadges.<br />
_ am ideas sakanonmdeblo ini-<br />
ciativis saxe miecema?<br />
_ diax. es Zalian saintereso<br />
novaciaa.<br />
roca arasrulwlovani damna-<br />
Save `malaletkebidan~ gamodis,<br />
yvelafers Tavi rom gavaneboT,<br />
ojaxi mas veRar akontrolebs,<br />
radgan ukve sxva mentaloba da<br />
Sexeduleba aqvs Camoyalibebuli,<br />
anu is damnaSaveTa samyaros, ase<br />
vTqvaT, ojaxis wevria.<br />
_ samwuxarod, asea, miuxedavad<br />
imisa, rom qurduli mentaliteti<br />
da qurdul samyarosTan kavSiri<br />
Cveni kanonmdeblobiT dasjadia...<br />
Tqvens sakanonmdeblo iniciativas,<br />
rogor fiqrobT, xelisufle-<br />
ba an opozicia mxars dauWers?<br />
_ iciT, ra aris? _ mxars arc<br />
erTi dauWers da arc _ meore.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ imitom, rom magaTi principi<br />
aseTia _ qveyana rac ufro areulia,<br />
ar arsebobs balansi da garkveuli<br />
anarqiaa, marTva gacilebiT<br />
advilia. es `gaTiSe da ibatones~<br />
principia. roca yvelaferi es dabalansdeba,<br />
wina planze is faseuloba<br />
wamoiwevs, romelic TiToeuli<br />
Cvenganisa da saxelmwifo mmar-<br />
TvelobisTvis Zalian kargi iqneba.<br />
_ e. i., qveyanaSi qaosi opozi-<br />
ciasac awyobs?<br />
_ amas ver vityvi, magram vinc<br />
dRes opoziciaSi gadavida, guSin<br />
xom umravlesobaSi iyo, anu, Tavis<br />
droze, erTi gundi gaxldaT da<br />
dRes sxvadasxva mxares dgas. ver<br />
vijereb, roca erTi gundia da mere,<br />
roca Tavs garkveuli konfliqti<br />
iCens, gamodian da amboben xolme,<br />
Turme, es da is ra cudi yofilao.<br />
erTmaneTis lanZRva-ginebas,<br />
Woraobas iwyeben da Sesabamisad,<br />
qveynisa da momavali TaobisTvis<br />
aRar scaliaT.<br />
_ sxvaTa Soris, arasrulwlovanTa<br />
kodeqsi parlamentSi Cavar-<br />
da. rac Seexeba Tqvens ideas, es<br />
misaRebi, mgoni, arc mosamarTlee-<br />
bisTvis iqneba da arc _ advokate-<br />
bisTvis, radgan arasrulwlovan<br />
damnaSaves advokati ar dasWird<br />
rd-<br />
eba. amas garda, mosamarTlesTan<br />
sTan<br />
`saqmis Casawyobadac~ aRaravin avin ir-<br />
bens. Tanac, `mozardTa gasamxe<br />
samxedroebuli<br />
dawesebuleba~ sazoga-<br />
doebam, SesaZloa, cudad aRiqvas...<br />
_ Tu wesieri, normaluri da<br />
demokratiuli saxelmwifos mSenebloba<br />
da isic gvinda, rom momavali<br />
Taoba jansaRi iyos, ra gvirCevnia:<br />
mozardTa sasjelaRsrulebis<br />
dawesebulebas kolonia da cixe<br />
erqvas Tu gasamxedroebuli qvedanayofi?<br />
gasamxedroeba imas ar<br />
niSnavs, rom mozardi aucileblad<br />
samxedro piri gaxdes. aseTi qvedanayofi,<br />
yvelafers Tavi rom<br />
davaneboT, patriotizmis valdebulebas<br />
gaaCens da mozardisTvis<br />
`Zvel biWoba~ da `kai tipoba~ aRar<br />
iqneba faseuli, anu bavSvebic ase<br />
ifiqreben: Tu danaSauls Caviden,<br />
cixeSi ki ar gamiSveben, saidanac<br />
`kai biWis~ saxeliT gamoval, aramed,<br />
_ samxedro bazaze da Cemi<br />
`kai biWobac~ damTavrdebao.<br />
_ anu es mozards danaSaulis<br />
Cadenaze xels aaRebinebs?<br />
_ diax da amiT korufciuli<br />
mentalitetic aRmoifxvreba.<br />
_ rogor?<br />
_ weRan ganrideba vaxsene, romelsac<br />
mozards imitom aZleven,<br />
rom meorejer danaSauli aRar Caidinos,<br />
magram ganrideba, sinamdvileSi,<br />
mxareebs Soris molaparakebaa<br />
_ mSoblebi nacnobs naxuloben<br />
an Zalovani struqturis<br />
warmomadgenlebs saCuqrebs ukeTeben.<br />
es ukve korufciaa. zogadad,<br />
korufcia isaa, roca gamorCenis<br />
mizniT imas iReb, rac yvelaze metad<br />
gWirdeba. arasrulwlovnis danaSaulis<br />
SemTxvevaSi ganrideba mozardisTvis<br />
daTvuri samsaxuria.<br />
Cemi iniciativis kanonad miRebis<br />
SemTxvevaSi ki mSoblebsac aRar eqnebaT<br />
survili, rom axlobeli mo-<br />
Zebnon, raTa Svils, romelmac danaSauli<br />
Caidina, ganrideba gauke-<br />
Ton. ar vambob, rom aravis araferi<br />
vapatioT, magram patieba ganridebas<br />
ar unda niSnavdes, radgan Tu<br />
erTxel ganarideb, mozardi meored<br />
uares danaSauls Caidens da<br />
amis araerTi faqti Cems axalgazrdobaSic<br />
yofila da axlac aris.<br />
yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT,<br />
igive statistikiT, skolebidan imdeni<br />
civi iaraRia amoRebuli, saswavlo<br />
dawesebulebebTan mandaturi<br />
ki ara, mTeli policia rom daayenon,<br />
amis aRmofxvra SeuZlebelia.<br />
mokled, kriminaluri mentalitetisken<br />
swrafva unda amoiketos<br />
da imas unda mivaRwioT, rom arasrulwlovans<br />
damnaSaveTa samyaros<br />
interesi aRar hqondes!<br />
_ batono mixeil, adamians ko-<br />
rufciisken aqvs midrekileba da<br />
am mentalobis aRmofxvra saqarTveloSi<br />
ufro gaWirdeba. ai, ma-<br />
galiTad, gasamxedroebul qvedan-<br />
ayofebSi SesaZloa, mxolod is<br />
damnaSave mozardebi moxvdnen,<br />
romlebic udedmamod izrdebian.<br />
maT ki, visac gavleniani `mamikoe-<br />
bi~ hyavT, isev xels daafareben.<br />
es safrTxe xom realuria?<br />
_ es aRar moxdeba, radgan kanonSi<br />
yvelaferi imperatiulad iqneba<br />
gawerili.<br />
_ kanonebSi yvelaferi Sesa-<br />
Zloa, axlac imperatiulad aris<br />
naTqvami, magram am dReSi imitom<br />
varT, rom kanonebi ar sruldeba.<br />
_ dRes yvela kanoni kargi ar<br />
aris, anu erTi kargi kanonia, xuTi<br />
ki _ cudi da es xuTi cudi kanoni<br />
im erT kargs faravs. amitom, Sei-<br />
Zleba, isec gakeTdes, rom erTi<br />
axali kanonis miRebis Semdeg sxva<br />
kanonebSi cvlilebebis Setana<br />
savaldebulo gaxdes!<br />
arasrulwlovanTa gasamxedroebuli<br />
qvedanayofi, praqtikulad,<br />
cixe iqneba, sadac aRzrdis sxva<br />
meTodika iarsebebs. aseT qvedanayofSi<br />
`mayureblebi~ ar iqnebian.<br />
_ mesmis, magram gasamxedroebul<br />
qvedanayofSi, jaris ms-<br />
gavsad, SesaZloa, `dedovSinam~<br />
ifeTqos.<br />
_ es gamoricxulia!<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ arasrulwlovanTa gasamxedroebuli<br />
qvedanayofi mxolod Tav-<br />
`zogadad, kriminaluri<br />
samyaros mentaloba<br />
aseTia - ai, cixeSi<br />
vijeqi, ukve `Zveli biWi~<br />
var da rasac minda,<br />
gavakeTebo, magram<br />
roca arasrulwlovani<br />
damnaSave samxedro<br />
sistemaSi moxvdeba,<br />
iqidan ise veRar<br />
gamova, rogorc<br />
`Zveli biWi~<br />
dacvis saministros ki ar unda<br />
daeqvemdebaros, aramed mis muSaobaSi<br />
fsiqologebic unda CaerTon<br />
da mozardebma Cveulebrivi saSualo<br />
ganaTleba miiRon.<br />
zogadad, garemo umniSvnelovanesia.<br />
quCas erTi wesi aqvs: an kacad<br />
gagxdis, an arakacad dagtovebs.<br />
`quCis akademias~ kacad Zalian<br />
cota uqcevia, umravlesoba ki qu-<br />
CaSi daRupula.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, mamaCemi ambobda:<br />
`yvela Tavis safiqraliT miuyveba<br />
nacnob quCebs, es quCaa Cveni bedi:<br />
zogs kacs xdis da zogs afuWebs!~<br />
_ cnobilia, rom mozardTa<br />
danaSaulis prevenciaze aseve<br />
arasrulwlovani damnaSaveebis<br />
gamosworebaze uamravi saerTaSo-<br />
riso organizacia muSaobs. imasac<br />
amboben, rom am saqmeSi Zalian di-<br />
di fuli keTdeba. Tqveni ideiT ki<br />
viRacebs fulis Sovnis wyaros<br />
uketavT. amaze ar gifiqriaT?<br />
_ yvelaferi es mesmis, magram<br />
cixe adamians, miT umetes, mozards,<br />
ar asworebs. cixe sul sxva<br />
samyaroa. SeiZleba, erTeulebi<br />
arian, romlebic cixeSi gamoswordnen,<br />
Tan am SemTxvevaSi, arasrulwlovnebze<br />
vsaubrob. nebismieri<br />
mozardi, romelic cixeSi<br />
Tundac erTi Tvea namyofi, igive<br />
ubanSi sxva avtoritetiT sargeblobs<br />
da rac unda wesieri samezoblo<br />
hyavdes, Tanatolebi cdiloben,<br />
mas mibaZon da mTeli ubedurebac<br />
aqedan iwyeba.<br />
mokled, bavSvs, romelic dana-<br />
Sauls Caidens, damnaSaved ki nu<br />
warmovadgenT, aramed, gasamxedroebul<br />
qvedanayofSi gavuSvaT da<br />
vnaxavT, rom yvelafer amiT mentaloba<br />
Zalian Seicvleba.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, sabavSvo konvenciebs<br />
gadavxede da SemiZlia, erTmniSvnelovnad<br />
vTqva, rom es iniciativa<br />
arasrulwlovanTa uflebebs<br />
ar arRvevs. piriqiT, damnaSave<br />
mozardebs saSualebas vaZlevT,<br />
rom qveynis srulfasovan moqalaqeebad<br />
Camoyalibdnen!<br />
dRes saqarTveloSi danaSaulebrivi<br />
sindikatia. am iniciativis<br />
amuSavebis Semdeg ki axalgazrdobis<br />
mentaloba Seicvleba da es<br />
`bezpridelic~ samudamod gaqreba!<br />
_ batono mixeil, am Temas ar<br />
exeba, magram raki girgvlianis<br />
ojaxis pirveli advokati iyaviT,<br />
SemTxveviT visargebleb da gkiTxavT:<br />
dRes xelisuflebas ise gamo-<br />
hyavs, rom murusiZes girgvlianis<br />
saqmeSi araferi gaufuWebia da<br />
laSa nacvliSvilma isic Tqva,<br />
murusiZes arafris gakeTeba See-<br />
Zloo...<br />
_ nacvliSvilma Tavis sibinZureebs<br />
mixedos!<br />
_ ras gulisxmobT?<br />
_ ra vici, rac magas gakeTebuli<br />
aqvs... nuravisze nu ilaparakebs!<br />
_ medals meore kuTxidan<br />
SevxedoT: murusiZem is ganaCeni<br />
gamoitana, ra saqmec prokuratu-<br />
ridan miuvida.<br />
_ pirdapir getyviT: samwuxarod,<br />
mosamarTleebs Secdoma xSirad<br />
mosdiT, anu roca rame cvlileba<br />
arsebobs, sisxlis samarTlis<br />
kodeqsSi am cvlilebis Setanis<br />
TariRi weria da hgoniaT, rom es<br />
cvlileba am TariRidan moqmedebs,<br />
magram wesi aseTia: roca parlamenti<br />
cvlilebas iRebs, es prezidentTan<br />
igzavneba da Tu veto ar<br />
daado, cvlileba ZalaSi im dRidan<br />
Sedis, roca prezidenti xels<br />
moawers.<br />
_ girgvlianis saqmesTan es ra<br />
kavSirSia?<br />
_ murusiZe ambobs, ufleba ar<br />
mqonda, rom prokuraturisTvis<br />
masalebi ukan damebrunebinao, magram<br />
es simarTles ar Seesabameba,<br />
anu parlamentis mier kanonSi Setanili<br />
cvlileba jer ZalaSi ar iyo<br />
Sesuli, radgan prezidents xeli<br />
ar hqonda mowerili.<br />
_ batono mixeil, Tqveni azriT,<br />
`ocneba~ murusiZes kbilebiT ra-<br />
tom icavs da ratom `apravebs~?<br />
_ saxelmwifo Sedgeba sami _<br />
sakanonmdeblo, aRmasrulebeli da<br />
sasamarTlo xelisuflebisgan.<br />
roca es samkuTxedi erTadaa, sxvanairi<br />
marTva xdeba. murusiZe yvelanair<br />
davalebas Zalian kargad<br />
asrulebda. aseve kargad asrulebda<br />
giorgi Cemiac, romelic pirveli<br />
instanciis mosamarTle iyo _<br />
amxela moculobis saqme xuT dRe-<br />
Si ganixla da iciT, ratom? _ imxanad<br />
mixeil saakaSvili aSS-Si imyofeboda<br />
da arsebobda moTxovna,<br />
rom sanam Camovidoda, am saqmeze<br />
ganaCeni damdgariyo.<br />
_ amas piradad saakaSvili iTx-<br />
ovda?<br />
_ es ar vici, magram dReSi xuTi<br />
procesi imarTeboda. dRes Salva<br />
SavguliZisTvis Savi laqis mocxebasa<br />
da murusiZis gamarTlebas<br />
imitom cdiloben, rom Salvam politikuri<br />
gza airCia _ maJoritarobis<br />
kandidatia. marTalia, maSin<br />
politikaSi ar viyavi, magram qorepiskoposma<br />
iakobma girgvlianis<br />
saqmeSi lamis axalaiebis agentad<br />
momnaTla _ es imitom gakeTda, rom<br />
`cianidis saqmeSi~ xels vuSlidi.<br />
dRes, roca gaigeben, rom partia<br />
`kanoni da samarTalis~ aRmasrulebeli<br />
mdivani var, Cemzec ityvian,<br />
ramiSvili cudia, CinCalaZe da<br />
murusiZe ki kargebi ariano.<br />
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faSistebma sami Svili waarTves da<br />
igi oficers Seevedra, rom gaeSva<br />
misi Svilebi, oficerma samive bavSvi<br />
mamis win daayena da uTxra: air-<br />
Cie erTi! ra unda gaekeTebina mamas?<br />
aerCia yvelaze Zlieri Tu susti?<br />
janmrTeli Tu uZluri? ufrosi,<br />
umcrosi Tu SuaTana? ufro<br />
lamazi Tu SedarebiT Seuxedavi?..<br />
rogor unda moqceuliyo sasowarkveTili<br />
mSobeli? isic nu dagvaviwydeba,<br />
rom oficeri dadgenil<br />
wesebs arRvevda, realurad gulmowyaleba<br />
gamoiCina da mamas Tundac<br />
arCevnis saSualeba misca _ er-<br />
Ti sicocxlis gadarCenis ufleba.<br />
metyviT, _ Tavi moekla, Tuki samives<br />
ver gadaarCendao. magram es<br />
araswori pasuxia, Tavadac iciT.<br />
ratom? maSin Tavadac mokvdeboda<br />
da samive Svils dauxocavdnen. re-<br />
_ meoremde?<br />
rac beri is eri, gnebavT, piriqiT<br />
_ klasikurad: rac eri _ is<br />
beri da maSin miT ufro maqvs ukmayofilebis<br />
gamoTqmis safuZveli,<br />
radgan aseTi damokidebulebiT<br />
viRebT viTarebas, rodesac qarTveli<br />
politikosebi sakuTari vnebebis<br />
realizebisTvis sadistoben,<br />
xolo xalxi dausruleblad mazoxistobs.<br />
Sedegad ki gvaqvs sadomazoxisturi<br />
qarTuli politika<br />
yvela Tanmdevi komponentiT.<br />
***<br />
saqarTveloSi politika yvelaze<br />
sarfian saqmed, biznesad miiCneva.<br />
aq advilia iyo politikosi,<br />
_ sakmarisia ramdenime brZnuli<br />
amonaridis dazepireba, dayenebuli<br />
metyveleba, cota qarizma da<br />
morCa. politika im sferod iqca,<br />
sadac `yvelaferi mosula~. realu-<br />
raRac nawilSi simpaTiis mopoveba.<br />
Tu imdenic gesmis, rom mazoxistad<br />
qceulTa umetesobas friad moswons,<br />
rom masze Zaladoben _ dideba<br />
garantirebuli gaqvs. realurad<br />
xom amisTvis gikraven taSs, rom mere<br />
rac SeiZleba meti tkivili miayeno<br />
da Tu amas ver SeZleb, Camogacureben<br />
da axal sadists ipovian.<br />
ara, mesmis, rom Zalian kategoriuli<br />
var da tonic sakmaod mZimea,<br />
Tumca es realoba gaxlavT, problema<br />
am SemTxvevaSi isaa, gamoutydeba<br />
Tu ara mavani sakuTar Tavs.<br />
ho, rogor ginda, rom gazomo<br />
politikosis profesionalizmi?<br />
politikosi xom moswavle ar aris,<br />
sazepiroebi Camoarakrakos da mis-<br />
Tvis isic dasaSvebia, erT leqss<br />
meore gadaabas. politikosi arc<br />
maTematikosi gaxlavT, amocana<br />
amoxsnas. politikosi arc buRal-<br />
qarTuli politikur-<br />
bi ase harmoniulad rom Tanacxovroben,<br />
ra gasakviria?<br />
***<br />
Cven ver gavizardeT, Cven ver<br />
vviTardebiT, imis miuxedavad, ramdeni<br />
wigni wagvikiTxavs, raoden<br />
brZnulad gamoviyurebiT. damoukideblobis<br />
lamis 30-wliani periodis<br />
ganmavlobaSi erma, xalxma,<br />
politikurma klasma, sazogadoebam<br />
erTxelac ar daisaxa swori amocana<br />
da, Sesabamisad, rogor Sei-<br />
Zleboda swori Sedegi mieRo an<br />
sworad gaeca pasuxi kiTxvisTvis:<br />
ra gvinda, sad mivdivarT?<br />
Cven arasodes gvqonia mizani,<br />
diax, mizani _ mkveTrad gamoxatuli,<br />
pragmatuli da racionaluri.<br />
mizani _ rac unda ganvaxorcieloT,<br />
riskenac unda miviswrafodeT,<br />
rasac unda mivaRwioT.<br />
Cven arasodes dagvisaxavs gama-<br />
ris, kartofilis, xaxvis fulis,<br />
sakuTari komfortis, interesebis,<br />
ocnebebis sanacvlod? e. i. isini,<br />
visTvisac mTavari iyo saxelmwifo?<br />
anu umetesoba an Secdomas uSvebs<br />
pasuxis gaazrebaSi, an _ tyuis.<br />
kargi, vTqvaT, erTxel Secdi, Secdi<br />
meored, cdebi mesamed, meoTxed<br />
_ briyvi xar? aris romelime qar-<br />
Tveli, romelic aRiarebs, rom<br />
briyvia? _ ara! maSin ra xdeba?<br />
pasuxi aqac martivia, _ saqar-<br />
Tvelos moqalaqeebi, `Rrmad ganviTarebulebic~<br />
ki da politikosebi<br />
miiCneven, rom qveyana _ yuradReba<br />
miaqcieT amas! _ ganviTardeba<br />
Tu mis marTvas patiosani politikosebi<br />
daiwyeben da tiranebs,<br />
korumpirebulebs, giJebs, oligarqebs<br />
CamoaSoreben xelisuflebas.<br />
kidev erTxel daakvirdiT _ `qveyana<br />
ganviTardeba~ da aq `saxelmwifo~<br />
sad aris? a, ganviTarebuli<br />
qveyana aris saxelmwifo? rogor<br />
vupasuxo axla aseTi mosazrebis<br />
mqone politikosebsa da `Rrmad<br />
ganviTarebul~ inteleqtualebs?<br />
albaT, martivad: dajeqi, oriani!<br />
saxelmwifo, arc meti arc naklebi,<br />
aris sazogadoeba, romelic<br />
organizebulia politikuri Zalauflebis<br />
ganxorcielebis gziT.<br />
magaliTad, aristotelesTvis saxelmwifo<br />
gaxlavT bevri adamianis<br />
marTva yvelas interesis sasargeblod.<br />
aristoteles Tu mivyvebiT,<br />
sad aris Cvens saxelmwifoSi yvelas<br />
interesi garantirebuli? Tu<br />
klasikas _ maSin rogor aris Cven-<br />
Tan organizebuli politikuri Zalaufleba?<br />
radgan orive sakiTx-<br />
Si garRveva gvaqvs, sulac ar<br />
mikvirs, rom qveyana varT.<br />
Tumca mizans ra vuyoT? mizans<br />
_ saxelmwifos...<br />
***<br />
realurad, Tu sakuTar Tavs ar<br />
movatyuebT. CvenTan mizani saxelmwifo<br />
ki ar aris _ Zalauflebaa,<br />
xelisuflebaSi yofnaa.<br />
gagaxsenebT, rom germaneli sociologi<br />
da filosofosi maqs veberi<br />
ganasxvavebda xelisuflebis<br />
sam tips: tradiciuli xelisufleanu<br />
me saxelmwifos gamarjvebas virCev!<br />
aloba aseTia: mas hqonda sakuTari<br />
Tavisa da erTi Svilis gadarCenis<br />
Sansi. davindob Tqvens emociebs da<br />
ar davsvam kiTxvas, _ Tqven ras<br />
izamdiT? am Temas sul bolos davubrundebi.<br />
***<br />
xSirad mekiTxebian, ras verCi<br />
qarTvel politikosebs, politikur<br />
gaerTianebebs, ras vedavebi<br />
da ra maqvs maTTan gasayofi? bevri<br />
ram da pirvel rigSi, maTi maniakuri<br />
merkantilizmi da konformizmi.<br />
aseve xSirad mekiTxebian, ras<br />
verCi qarTveli xalxis arcTu umniSvnelo<br />
nawils, sazogadoebriv<br />
jgufebs da ratom var mudam ukmayofilo?<br />
ratom ar izrdebian,<br />
ratom ar viTardebian da ratom<br />
iqcevian, rogorc ukanaskneli xarbi<br />
qajebi, romlebic ise avardebian<br />
xolme saarCevnod darigebul<br />
Saqarze, kartofilze, xaxvze, fulze,<br />
rom verc ki aTviTcnobiereben,<br />
ra zians ayeneben qarTul saxelmwifos?<br />
rogor ver xvdebian,<br />
rom Semdgomi oTxi wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />
is erTjeradi saarCevno sisuste<br />
maT ukiduresad agresiul<br />
mazoxistebad ayalibebs da es gr-<br />
Zeldeba erTi saarCevno ciklidan<br />
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rad xom aravin amowmebs Sens codnas,<br />
radgan `aq~ politika gamocdilebasa<br />
da swavlebaze dafuZnebuli<br />
profesia ar aris. `aq~ mTavaria,<br />
SegeZlos gaaCmaxo. rac ufro<br />
damajereblad akeTeb amas, miT<br />
ufro kargi `tipi~ an `tipSa~ xar<br />
da miT ufro gcemen pativs. Tan am<br />
politikosebma kargad ician _ ma-<br />
Ti uvicoba da degeneratizmi ar<br />
unda gaiSifros, amitom amomrCevlisTvis,<br />
xalxisTvis TvalSi nacris<br />
Sesayrelad maRal standartebs<br />
aweseben. standartebs, romlis<br />
umetesobas Tavad verasodes daakmayofileben.<br />
ise, marTla, rogor ginda saqarTveloSi<br />
gazomo, vin rogori<br />
politikosia? me Tqven getyviT da<br />
xalxs aqvs dadgenili amis kriteriumi,<br />
Tu Tavad politikaSi Semoparuli<br />
personebi ver moiwoneben<br />
Tavs imiT, rom `maSin im aqciaze<br />
viyavi~, `maSin imas vebrZodi~ an<br />
imiT, rom `maSin patara biWi viyavi<br />
da mamikos Zmakacebi pasportis<br />
Cvenebis sanacvlod fuls mCuqnidnen~.<br />
an ra problemaa erTi Tu ori<br />
patriotuli sloganis gaJRereba,<br />
mowinaaRmdegis dagmoba, registrebis<br />
cvla, yelze ZarRvebis daWimva;<br />
am yvelafris mere xalxSi an mis<br />
teria, balansi gagimzadoT da gasaval-Semosavali,<br />
wageba-mogeba daiangariSos.<br />
raoden paradoqsulic ar unda<br />
iyos, qarTveli da aq, vaRiareb, ara<br />
mxolod qarTveli politikosis<br />
sazrisi ver gascda nikolo makiavelis<br />
`mTavarSi~ (1531 weli) asaxul<br />
realobas _ politikuri liderebis<br />
mTavari maxasiaTebeli kvlav<br />
da kvlav cbiereba, sisastike da manipulaciebia.<br />
Cven SemTxvevaSi qarTveli politikosebis<br />
umetesobas sami Svilidan<br />
erTis arCevis saSualebas Tu<br />
miscem, cxadia, vis airCevs da irCevs<br />
kidec _ arc erTs! mxolod sakuTar<br />
Tavs gadairCens. maTi deklarirebuli<br />
motivi iqneba aseTi _<br />
me ar mqonda arCevnis saSualeba, es<br />
iqneboda ori Svilis sasikvdilod<br />
gawirva, amitomac gadavwyvite, ar<br />
gamekeTebina es arCevani, arc im<br />
oficerTan Sevsuliyavi konfliqtSi<br />
da kacobriobisTvis axali<br />
Svilebi meCuqebina. anu gadavrCeniliyavi<br />
me. da aq yvelaze mTavari,<br />
iciT, ra aris? _ bevri Cvengani am<br />
mosazrebas gaiziarebs da taSsac<br />
daukravs `mamas~, radganac Tavadac<br />
ase moiqceoda. Sesabamisad, es<br />
qarTveli sadistebi da mazoxiste-<br />
rjveba miznis misaRwevad, mudam<br />
gvgonia, rom mizani `viRacis~ damarcxebiT<br />
miiRweva. ratom? imitom<br />
rom Tavad mizani ar viciT, ra gvaqvs.<br />
napoleon hils moviSvelieb:<br />
`aris erTi ram, rasac unda flobde<br />
gamarjvebisTvis. es aris gansazRvruli<br />
mizani, codna imisa, Tu<br />
ra ginda da mwveli survili, miaRwio<br />
dasaxuls~.<br />
aba, miTxariT, mxolod gulwrfelad,<br />
ra iyo am xnis ganmavloba-<br />
Si Cveni _ saqarTvelos moqalaqeebis<br />
mizani? saxelmwifo, misi Seqmna<br />
sruli atributikiT: damoukideblobiT,<br />
TavisuflebiT, adamianis<br />
uflebebiT, kanonis uzenaesobiT,<br />
demokratiiT, ekonomikuri siZlieriT<br />
Tu TviTgadarCena, romelic,<br />
am SemTxvevaSi, moicavs mxolod<br />
`mes~ keTildReobas? mizani saxelmwifo<br />
iyo, rogorc Cveni harmoniuli<br />
da ganviTarebuli cxovrebis<br />
areali, Tu mizani iyo, me kargad<br />
unda viyo? vici, pasuxebi aqac gaiyofa,<br />
zogi erTs miemxroba, zogi<br />
_ meores. umetesoba ityvis, rom<br />
maTi mizani iyo da aris saxelmwifo,<br />
xolo `imaTi~ anu xelisuflebebis,<br />
mTavrobebis mizani iyo `me~.<br />
da vin irCevda am mTavrobebs Saq-<br />
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sazogadoebrivi sadomazoxizmi<br />
ba, romelic fesvebgadgmulia istoriaSi;<br />
qarizmatuli xelisufleba,<br />
romelic warmoiqmneba pirovnebisgan;<br />
legalur-racionaluri<br />
xelisufleba, romlis arseboba<br />
dasabuTebulia obieqturi normebiT.<br />
Cven ar gvaqvs da verc gveyoleba<br />
tradiciuli xelisufleba,<br />
romelsac aqvs istoriuli mexsiereba<br />
da memkvidreoba, arc ki<br />
vcdilobT gvyavdes legalurracionaluri<br />
xelisufleba, radganac<br />
Tavad ar varT racionalurebi<br />
da ukve, lamis, 30 welia, qarizmatuli<br />
xelisuflebis, anu pirovnebisgan<br />
warmoqmnili da pirovnebaze<br />
dayrdnobili xelisuflebebis<br />
pirobebSi vcxovrobT. vcxovrobT<br />
da mogvwons es. swored amiT<br />
aris ganpirobebiuli is, rom mizansac<br />
ki ver viazrebT sworad.<br />
`diqtatori gamsaxurdia~, `mela<br />
SevardnaZe~, `giJi saakaSvili~,<br />
`oligarqi ivaniSvili~... _ personebi,<br />
pirovnebebi, romelTa qarizmatulobas,<br />
yovel calkeul SemTxvevaSi,<br />
Cveni sazogadoebis umetesobam<br />
jer Zegli daudga da mere<br />
Tavpiri daamtvria.<br />
aba, kargad gaixseneT, damoukideblobis<br />
calkeul politikur<br />
etapze ra iyo qarTuli sazogadoebis<br />
amocana? tirani gamsaxurdias<br />
damxoba, mela SevardnaZis<br />
damxoba, giJi saakaSvilis damxoba<br />
da axlac qarTulma opoziciurma<br />
elitam morigi amocana dasaxa _<br />
oligarqi ivaniSvilis damxoba.<br />
TiToeulis dasamxobad ki qarTuli<br />
politikuri speqtri gvTavazobda<br />
sxvadasxva formulas, romlis<br />
Sinaarsi sul ori fraziT SeiZleba<br />
gadmovce _ erTi: `saqarTvelo<br />
gamsaxurdias, SevardnaZis,<br />
saakaSvilis, ivaniSvilis gareSe~ da<br />
meore: `yvelas minus erTi~ da<br />
iciT, es ras niSnavs, rodesac aseT<br />
langarze deben politikur kerZs?<br />
rom mizani qveyanac ki ar aris, araTu<br />
saxelmwifo, rom mizania `er-<br />
Ti~ sisxlismsmeli, tirani, flidi<br />
Seicvalos meore qarizmatuliT.<br />
mere ra, rom ramdenime weliwadSi<br />
axal qarizmatuls aseve CavasvenebT<br />
miwaSi? CvenTvis xom mTavaria<br />
procesi da iluzia, rom qveynis<br />
beds vcvliT. realurad ki qveynis<br />
ki ara, imaT beds vcvliT, vinc<br />
CveniT manipulirebs da vcdilobT,<br />
rom iqneb, am cvlilebis dros<br />
sakuTari bedic SevcvaloT.<br />
amitomac, rodesac Cveni politikuri<br />
mentaloba da azrovneba<br />
ver gascda kargi da tirani mefis<br />
an, gnebavT, keisris arsebobis gaazrebas<br />
da rodesac dabejiTebiT<br />
gvgonia, rom cudi kaligula Tu<br />
arsebobda, xom arsebobda kargi<br />
cezari da Tan yvela imas vfiqrobT<br />
_ iqneb, incitatusis bedi<br />
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`rodesac Cveni politikuri mentaloba da<br />
azrovneba ver gascda kargi da tirani mefis<br />
an, gnebavT, keisris arsebobis gaazrebas da<br />
rodesac dabejiTebiT gvgonia, rom cudi<br />
kaligula Tu arsebobda, xom arsebobda kargi<br />
cezari da Tan yvela imas vfiqrobT - iqneb,<br />
incitatusis bedi gvergos da senatSic<br />
movxvdeT - araferi gveSveleba! ise, cxenis beds<br />
rom inatreb kaci, ra sabralo arseba xar~<br />
gvergos da senatSic movxvdeT _<br />
araferi gveSveleba! ise, cxenis<br />
beds rom inatreb kaci, ra sabralo<br />
arseba xar.<br />
Tumca, ratomac, ara? _ aristotelem<br />
xom Tavis `politikaSi~ ganacxada,<br />
rom `adamiani Tavisi bunebiT<br />
politikuri cxovelia~ (Tumca<br />
igi gulisxmobda, rom adamians<br />
mxolod politikuri sazogadoebis<br />
SigniT SeuZlia icxovros `kargi<br />
cxovrebiT~) da ra moxdeba,<br />
Cvenc Tu keTilSobili cxovelis<br />
rols movirgebT, miT ufro, rom<br />
amJamidel _ maimunis rols sjobs.<br />
amis Semdeg ratom gikvirT es<br />
ukidegano urTierTzizRi rac<br />
Cvens sazogadoebaSia? ratom gikvirT,<br />
rom qarizmatuli liderebi<br />
saSinlad manipulireben CveniT?<br />
ratom gikvirT, rom swored am qarizmatulebis<br />
interesebSia, qveyanaSi<br />
mizanic ki ar iyos, racionaluri<br />
xelisuflebis arsebobaze<br />
xom saubaric zedmetia? da sabolood,<br />
ratom gikvirT, rom dro-<br />
Ta ganmavlobaSi isini gamsgavseben<br />
sakuTar Tavs, romelsac samive<br />
Svilis gawirva SeuZlia da aranairi<br />
racionaluri arCevnis Sanss ar<br />
gitoveben? da ratom gikvirT,<br />
rodesac qarizmatulebis mxardam-<br />
Werebi ase svamen kiTxvas: zviadi<br />
Tu ara, vin? eduardi Tu ara, vin?<br />
miSa Tu ara, vin? axlac xom egre<br />
ismis: biZina Tu ara, vin?<br />
Cven yoveli arCevnebis win visaxavT<br />
araswor mizans, _ davamxoT<br />
qarizmatuli da avirCioT `axali~<br />
qarizmatuli. visaxavT mcdar mizans,<br />
sadac mTavaria persona da<br />
pragmatuli, racioanaluri mizani<br />
_ saxelmwifo _ measexarisxovani<br />
xdeba.<br />
***<br />
politika ar aris utopiuri<br />
gadawyvetileba da misi mTavari<br />
sazrisi aris kompromisi da konsensusi,<br />
rac niSnavs yvela mxaris<br />
daTmobaze wasvlas. Sedegad, arc<br />
erTi mxare rCeba srulad kmayofili.<br />
magram es Sedegi udavod<br />
ukeTesia mis alternativaze - sisxlisRvrasa<br />
da sisastikeze. CvenTan<br />
damkvidrebuli kliSe, rom politika<br />
binZuri saqmea yvelaze metad<br />
politikosebs awyobT, rom am<br />
sivrceSi `sufTa~, ucxo, sxva, gonieri<br />
da niWieri adamianebi ar<br />
SeuSvan da xalxs mxolod binZuri<br />
arCevani gaakeTebinon mudam _<br />
cudsa da uaress Soris.<br />
imis nacvlad, rom politikosebma<br />
xalxi waaxalison, pativi scen<br />
politikas, rogorc aqtivobas<br />
da moamzadon isini, raTa sakuTari<br />
sazogadoebis politikur cxovrebaSi<br />
CaerTon, riyaven maT am sivrcidan<br />
da mxolod arCevnebis wina<br />
periodSi `eloliavebian~.<br />
bernard kriks politikis mTavar<br />
mtrad miaCnda `nebismier fasad<br />
Tavdajerebuli yofnis survili~.<br />
kriki acxadebda, rom es mravali<br />
formiTaa gamoxatuli, maT<br />
Soris: politikuri ideologebis<br />
macdunebeli gavlena, demokratiis<br />
brma ndoba, mZvinvare nacionalizmis<br />
gavlena da Sepireba, gamoaaSkaraos<br />
obieqturi simarTle.<br />
Cven dRes vcxovrobT metwilad<br />
iseT sazogadoebaSi, romelic<br />
polarizebulia. am sazogadoebaSi<br />
mTavari niSanTvisebaa calkeuli<br />
didi jgufebis meqanikuri solidaroba.<br />
raoden gasakviric ar unda<br />
iyos, am polarizebuli sazogadoebis<br />
SigniT arseboben organuli<br />
solidarobis mqone jgufebic.<br />
`Cven arasodes<br />
dagvisaxavs gamarjveba<br />
miznis misaRwevad, mudam<br />
gvgonia, rom mizani<br />
`viRacis~ damarcxebiT<br />
miiRweva. ratom? imitom,<br />
rom Tavad mizani ar<br />
viciT, ra gvaqvs~<br />
ukiduresad aris aRreuli Rirebulebebic<br />
ki. erTi mxriv, meqanikuri<br />
solidarobis sazogadoebis<br />
warmomadgenlebi Zalian hgvanan<br />
erTmaneTs. isini miiCneven, rom yvelas<br />
unda hqondes erTi moraluri<br />
standarti da kanoni maTi Sexedulebebis<br />
mowinaaRmdege sazogadoebrivi<br />
jgufis mimarT unda iyos<br />
represiuli. magram raoden<br />
gasakviric ar unda gaxldeT, sakuTari<br />
jgufis mimarT isini restituciuli<br />
(Zveli uflebrivi mdgomareobis<br />
aRdgena, _ red.) samarTlis<br />
momxreni arian. organuli<br />
solidarobis jgufi cdilobs,<br />
daemorCilos samarTals da da-<br />
JinebiT moiTxovs restituciuli<br />
samarTlis gatarebas yvela sferoSi,<br />
magram nebismieri xelsayreli<br />
situaciis dros mzad aris, moiTxovos<br />
mowinaaRmdegis mimarT represiuli<br />
samarTlis normebis gamoyeneba.<br />
qarTuli sazogadoeba jerac<br />
ver Camoyalibda RirebulebiT er-<br />
Tobaze, Tundac samarTalTan mimarTebiT<br />
da mis gaazrebaSi Cven<br />
viRebT viTarebas, rodesac Zalian<br />
advili xdeba Cveni emociebiT manipulireba.<br />
rodesac racionalurs<br />
erTi `jigruli~ urapatriotuli<br />
spiCi acamtverebs _ mTavaria,<br />
am spiCSi mtris ganadgurebaze,<br />
mis znedacemulobasa da mankierebebze<br />
iyos saubari. ra ginda,<br />
rom qna? rogor ginda, xalxi gazardo?<br />
xalxi, romlis amocana da<br />
mizanic pirovnebebis damarcxebaa<br />
da ara _ saxelmwifos gamarjveba.<br />
aseTi mocemulobis dros viRebT<br />
viTarebas, `rodesac sazogadoeba<br />
itanjeba, igi cdilobs ipovos<br />
vinme, visac pasuxs mosTxovs<br />
Tavisi avadmyofobis gamo, romelsac<br />
daabralebs Tavis ubedobas: da<br />
isini, vinc ukve diskriminebulia<br />
(an marginalizebuli, _ avt.) xalxis<br />
mier, ganwirulni arian am<br />
rolisTvis~ (stiven lukesi).<br />
asea zustad. Cveni politikursazogadoebrivi<br />
sadomazoxisturi<br />
ego, igi xom sxvas araferis moiTxovs<br />
_ datanjos da daitanjos, gaasazizRros<br />
da gasazizRrdes, antkinos<br />
da itkinos da am yvelafer-<br />
Si swori miznis gansazRvra mar-<br />
Tlac rom Znelia.<br />
***<br />
gana, rame vTqvi axali da gansakuTrebuli?<br />
_ es yvelaferi viciT.<br />
ubralod, aRiareba gviWirs.<br />
gviWirs, sakuTar Tavs gamovutydeT,<br />
gviWirs, gadaveCvioT am politikur<br />
BDSM (fsiqoseqsualuri<br />
subkultura, dafuZnebuli erotikuli<br />
Zalauflebis monacvleobaze<br />
seqsualur urTierTobebSi,<br />
rolebis cvla mbrZanebelsa da<br />
morCils Soris: BD _ dabma, disciplina;<br />
DM _ dominacia, morCileba;<br />
SM _ sadomazoxizmi, _ red.)<br />
TamaSebs _ ar gveTmoba, gvsiamovnebs<br />
da Tan gveSinia. gveSinia,<br />
radgan ukeTesis gamocdileba ar<br />
gagvaCnia da arc survili _ gamovcadoT.<br />
iqneb, gvaqvs kidec, magram<br />
cudi rom aRmoCndes? ar jobia,<br />
ase, kaxa benduqiZis ar iyos,<br />
funaSi Tbilad visxdeT?<br />
***<br />
ho, im filmis siuJets davubrundeT,<br />
ra unda gaakeTos mamam<br />
an ra unda gaekeTebina mas? dameTanxmeT,<br />
urTulesi mocemulobaa.<br />
magram am gamouval viTarebaSic<br />
xom arsebobs arCevanis SesaZlebloba?<br />
gana, Tavad RmerTs ar mouwia<br />
aseTi arCevanis gakeTeba, rodesac<br />
noes kidobnis gakeTeba ubrZana?<br />
gana, yvela miuteveblad codvili<br />
iyo noes ojaxis garda, vinc<br />
warRvnam imsxverpla?<br />
amitom arCevani yovelTvis arsebobs<br />
da maSinac ki, rodesac Cven<br />
30 welia, qarizmatul liderebs<br />
`vpoulobT~. gana, `Cvens Svilebs~<br />
Soris vpoulobT maT? _ ara, mudam<br />
sxvaSi veZebT xsnas. viSvilebT, CavacvamT,<br />
davapurebT da mere Cvenive<br />
xeliT vgudavT, vaxrCobT, vklavT.<br />
raRac etapze rolebs vcvliT,<br />
politikosebi xdebian Cven nacvlad<br />
mazoxistebi da Cven _ sadistebi.<br />
mere, isev da isev, vubrundebiT<br />
Cvens `bunebriv~ mdgomareobas.<br />
saxelmwifos winsvlisTvis, misi<br />
ganviTarebisTvis SeuZlebelia, mizani<br />
vinmes damarcxeba iyos; Seu-<br />
Zlebelia, mizani iyos: `yvelas minus<br />
erTi~; SeuZlebelia; `jer es<br />
davamarcxoT da mere movrigdeT~<br />
iyos swori formula.<br />
gamoviareT es gza samjer _<br />
`yvelam~ daamarcxa zviadi da mere<br />
erTmaneTs daeria; `yvelam~ daamarcxa<br />
SevardnaZe da mere erTmaneTs<br />
daeria; `yvelam~ daamarcxa miSa da<br />
mere erTmaneTs daeria. daviRaleT<br />
mudam viRacis damarcxebiT, gesmiT?<br />
gamarjveba gvinda, gamarjveba<br />
da Tan ara vinmesi _ yvelas _<br />
saxelmwifos gamarjveba!<br />
radgan saubari filmiT daviwye,<br />
filmiTve davasruleb, romelsac<br />
am publikaciasTan araferi<br />
aqvs saerTo. albaT, ukve bevrs aRar<br />
axsovs polonuri mravalseriani<br />
filmi: `mizani, romelic sicocxleze<br />
metia~. am filmisgan araferi<br />
minda, saTauris garda: Tu<br />
Cven ar gvecodineba, rom arsebobs<br />
mizani, romelic sicocxleze metia<br />
da es mizani aris saxelmwifo da<br />
misi moqalaqe, verasodes verafers<br />
mivaRwevT. Tu Cven ar gvecodineba,<br />
rom miznisken unda wavideT<br />
racionaluri xelisuflebis, anu<br />
racionaluri arCevnis safuZvelze<br />
da kvlav qarizmatuli liderebis<br />
ZiebaSi davxarjavT wlebs, aTwleulebsa<br />
da saukuneebs, sadomazoxistebs<br />
Tavi rom davaneboT, im<br />
bavSvs davemsgavsebiT, romelic asanTiT<br />
TamaSobs. xom iciT, is aucileblad<br />
dawvavs saxls.<br />
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dasruldeba!~<br />
moZraobaSi vibrZoleb romelic<br />
saqarTveloSi alternatiuli Zalis<br />
Camosayalibeblad iRvawebs.<br />
_ anu `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />
SigniT alternatiuli Zalis<br />
Camoyalibebas apirebT?<br />
_ ara. axali saxeebis moZiebaSi<br />
`daicavi saqarTvelosac~ davexmarebi<br />
da sxvebsac imitom, rom<br />
amis gakeTeba marto `daicavi<br />
saqarTvelos~ ar SeuZlia. mokled,<br />
konsultacia yvela ZalasTan<br />
meqneba, oRond xazgsmiT vacxadeb<br />
_ mxolod prodasavlur ZalebTan.<br />
_ `nacionaluri moZraobac~<br />
prodasavluri Zalaa. konsulta-<br />
ciebi masTanac geqnebaT?<br />
_ ara! `nacmoZraobis~ garda<br />
yvela prodasavlur ZalasTan meqneba<br />
konsultacia, rom saqarTveloSi<br />
mesame Zala Seiqmnas! `nacmoZraoba~<br />
da `evronacebi~ mesame<br />
Zalas ver warmoqmnian, radgan orive<br />
`nacionaluri moZraobaa~ _ `na-<br />
`daicavi saqarTvelo~ mesame politikuri<br />
centris formirebas damoukideblad,<br />
jerjerobiT, ver SeZlebs. `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />
mesame centrs sazogadoebasa da danarCen<br />
politikur speqtrTan erTad Seqmnis moaxerxebs~<br />
cmoZraoba 1" da `nacmoZraoba 2".<br />
_ mokled, dRes kaxa miqaia ise<br />
moqmedebs, rogorc damoukidebe-<br />
li politikosi?<br />
_ diax, diax. Cemi SesaZleblobebis<br />
farglebSi, pirvel rigSi, Cems<br />
kuTxeSi, sadac Zalian mZime viTarebaa<br />
da mere, mTel saqarTveloSi<br />
imisTvis vizruneb, rom mesame alternatiuli<br />
Zala Camoyalibdes.<br />
_ dRes axal-axali partiisa Tu<br />
samoqalaqo moZraobis Seqmna<br />
moduria. Tqvenc rame partias an<br />
moZraobas xom ar daafuZnebT?<br />
_ ara. yovel SemTxvevaSi, axali<br />
moZraobis Seqmnaze, jerjerobiT,<br />
ar vfiqrob, magram ar gamovricxav,<br />
rom sxva politikur ZalebTan<br />
erTad axali mesame Zalis CamoyalibebaSi<br />
monawileoba mec miviRo!<br />
_ keTili, magram axla mwvave<br />
kiTxvas dagisvamT: mxolod sa-<br />
zogadoebis ki ara, politikuri<br />
elitis nawilic miiCnevs, rom `da-<br />
icavi saqarTvelos~ ukan biZina<br />
ivaniSvili dgas. kaxa miqaia is<br />
politikosia, romelic `ocnebas~<br />
wlebis winaT gaemijna. mokled,<br />
`daicavi saqarTvelodan~ Tqveni<br />
wamosvlis mizezi is xom ar gaxda,<br />
rom am organizacias ukan Sesa-<br />
Zloa, ivaniSvili idges?<br />
_ SemiZlia, Zalian mokled da<br />
darwmunebiT giTxraT, rom `daicavi<br />
saqarTvelos~ ukan biZina<br />
ivaniSvili ar dgas!<br />
_ davuSvaT, asea, magram bolo<br />
satelevizio gamosvlis dros iva-<br />
niSvilma yvelaze msubuqad daviT<br />
maRraZe gaakritika, ramac arsebu-<br />
li eWvi kidev ufro gaaZliera.<br />
_ es baton biZinas hkiTxeT, Tan<br />
ar mgonia, rom maRraZe msubuqad<br />
gaakritika.<br />
_ gubaz sanikiZes Tu gia xuxaSvils<br />
sul `nacionalebTan~ Sek-<br />
rulebi eZaxa, maRraZeze ki, ubralod,<br />
Tqva, gamikvirda, opozicia-<br />
Si rom wavida da ar davijereo.<br />
es msubuqi kritika ar aris?<br />
_ SemiZlia, is giTxraT, rac<br />
vici: `daicavi saqarTvelos~ biZina<br />
ivaniSvilTan aranairi kavSiri<br />
ar aqvs! Tu sazogadoebas amis eWvi<br />
gauCnda, gasagebia _ samwuxarod,<br />
qarTuli sazogadoeba eWviania,<br />
magram ra vqna? geubnebiT, rom<br />
`daicavi saqarTvelos~ ukan biZina<br />
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saxeebiT verafers gaxdeba!~<br />
ivaniSvili ar dgas!<br />
_ gasagebia, magram isev im Te-<br />
mas vubrundebi, riTac interviu<br />
daviwyeT _ organizaciis gaaqti-<br />
urebamde rom visaubreT, sul<br />
sxva energia gqondaT da `daicavi<br />
saqarTvelozec~ did imeds am-<br />
yarebdiT...<br />
_ dResac igive energia maqvs.<br />
ubralod, davinaxe, rom `daicavi<br />
saqarTvelos~ is aklda, razec gesaubreT,<br />
anu vfiqrobdi, rom axali<br />
saxeebi iqnebodnen, magram, jerjerobiT,<br />
es axali saxeebi ar arian,<br />
piriqiT.<br />
_ mec mand var, rom `daicavi<br />
saqarTvelo~ Zveli saxeebis na-<br />
krebia. hoda, axal saxeebze maSin<br />
ar unda gefiqraT, vidre filar-<br />
moniaSi SeikribebodiT da moZraobas<br />
gacocxlebulad gamoacx-<br />
adebdiT?<br />
_ ki batono, Zalian legitimuri<br />
kiTxvaa... me es sakiTxi davsvi, magram<br />
axali saxeebi, jerjerobiT,<br />
ar arian, Tumca amis survili<br />
moZraobis wevrebs aqvT.<br />
_ is momentic xom ar iyo, rom<br />
axalma saxeebma `daicavi saqarTve-<br />
losTan~ komunikaciaze uari<br />
Tqves? ise, axal saxeebs `ocnebac~<br />
eZebs, magram irakli RaribaSil-<br />
isa da lado kaxaZis meti veravin<br />
ipova.<br />
_ gasagebia, magram Sen xom unda<br />
izruno?<br />
_ anu vinmes SesTavazeT da<br />
uari miiReT?<br />
_ SeTavazeba, ra Tqma unda,<br />
gvqonda. es moZraoba, darwmunebuli<br />
var, axal saxeebs aucileblad<br />
moizidavs. Cemi gadawyvetilebiT<br />
amis impulsi miveci da aq gaugebari<br />
ra aris?<br />
_ kargi, yvelaferi gasagebia,<br />
magram Tu axal saxed, magaliTad,<br />
vato SaqaraSvils miiCnevT, am<br />
Temaze saubris gagrZeleba, mgo-<br />
ni, arc Rirs.<br />
_ aqcents im axalgazrdebze<br />
vakeTeb, romlebsac mec vicnob da<br />
`daicavi saqarTvelos~ sxva wevrebic<br />
icnoben.<br />
Cemi gancxadebac swored aqeTken<br />
iyo mimarTuli, _ ki batono,<br />
Zveli moZraoba da misi Zveli wevrebi,<br />
romlebmac yvelaferi es daviwyeT,<br />
gasagebia, magram axali saxeebi<br />
da maTiT `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />
ganaxleba aucilebelia-meTqi.<br />
es iyo Cemi gancxadebis motivacia<br />
da es nabijic amitom gadavdgi.<br />
gaugebari ra aris?<br />
`mTavari is aris, rom sandra rulovsis<br />
kalTas amofarebulma mixeil saakaSvilma<br />
samegreloSi saimiso placdarmi Seqmnas, rom<br />
biZina ivaniSvili sabolood daamarcxos da<br />
xelisuflebaSi TviTon dabrundes! ~<br />
_ gaugebari, weRandeli Tqmisa<br />
ar iyos, araferia, magram legit-<br />
imuri kiTxvebi Cndeba.<br />
_ ki batono, magram Tqvens kiTxvebs<br />
ukve vupasuxe:<br />
pirveli _ `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />
ukan biZina ivaniSvili ar<br />
dgas.<br />
meore _ isini, vinc dRes `daicavi<br />
saqarTveloSi~ brZandebian,<br />
Zveli saxeebi arian. maT movuwode<br />
da Tavadac dameTanxmnen, rom axali<br />
saxeebia saWiro. axal Taobas<br />
asparezs imitom vuTmob, rom `daicavi<br />
saqarTvelo~ Zveli saxeebiT<br />
da moZraobis Zveli wesebiT verafers<br />
gaxdeba. axali saxeebia<br />
saWiro.<br />
rac Seexeba biZina ivaniSvils, is<br />
giTxariT, rac vici, rac vnaxe da<br />
rogorc daviwyeT `daicavi saqar-<br />
Tvelos~ gacocxleba _ am proces-<br />
Si ivaniSvili ar monawileobda da<br />
`daicavi saqarTvelos~ ukan ivaniSvili<br />
ar dgas! meti ra giTxraT?<br />
_ sxvaTa Soris, `daicavi saqar-<br />
Tvelos~ filarmoniaSi gamarTul<br />
Sekrebas levan gaCeCilaZe ar daeswro.<br />
is Tqveni megobaria. mogex-<br />
senebaT, eSmakebi detalebSi sxed-<br />
an, anu levan gaCeCilaZe yrilo-<br />
bas ar eswreba, yrilobidan meore<br />
Tu mesame dRes ki moZraobas<br />
Tqven tovebT. yvelaferi es ubra-<br />
lo damTxvevaa da meti araferi?<br />
_ Sekrebis dResac vTqvi da<br />
axlac gavimeoeb, rom levan gaCe-<br />
CilaZem axlaxan operacia gaikeTa<br />
_ avadaa. im dilas levans pirdad<br />
velaparake da miTxra, SeuZlod<br />
var da ver movdivaro. me arafers<br />
vmalav da Jurnalistebsac vuTxari<br />
amis Sesaxeb!<br />
_ anu gaCeCilaZe avad rom ar<br />
yofiliyo, 13 aprils filarmoni-<br />
aSi movidoda?<br />
_ diax, is `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />
erT-erTi lideri da damfuZnebeli<br />
iyo. sxvaTa Soris, Jurnalistebma<br />
zaza SaTiriSvilzec<br />
mkiTxes, magram masze araferi vicodi<br />
_ masTan kontaqti ar mqonda.<br />
levanma ki is miTxra, rac Jurnalistebs<br />
vuTxari.<br />
_ sanam filarmoniaSi Seikribe-<br />
bodiT, ambobdiT, rom `daicavi<br />
saqarTvelos~ gacocxlebam `nacqocebis~<br />
botebis gaRizianeba gam-<br />
oiwvia. maSin imasac imedovnebdiT,<br />
rom es dakonservebuli organizacia<br />
qarTul politikas aaduRebda,<br />
magram ase ar moxda. metic, fi-<br />
larmoniis Sekrebis mere erTi<br />
gancxadebac ar gaukeTebia. Tqve-<br />
ni azriT, `daicavi saqarTvelom~<br />
iseTi ra SeiZleba gaakeTos, rac<br />
politikas, anu am SemTxvevaSi,<br />
`ocnebasac~ da `nacmoZraobasac~<br />
simSvide daurRvios?<br />
_ ar vici, `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />
qarTul politikur speqtrs ras<br />
SesTavazebs, magram sanam qarTul<br />
politikur speqtrs rame siaxles<br />
SesTavazebs, `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />
TviTon unda ganaxldes da siaxle,<br />
SeiZleba, amis Semdeg SesTavazos!<br />
is, rom `qoc-nacuri~ jado wridan<br />
unda gamovideT, axali ar aris<br />
da am ideaSi daTo maRraZes veTanxmebi,<br />
magram vnaxoT, moqmedebis<br />
gegma rogori iqneba da sazogadoebas<br />
axals ras SesTavazebs.<br />
_ erTi sityviT, darwmunebuli<br />
xarT, rom `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />
axali saxeebiT gamdidrdeba da am<br />
axali saxeebis wyalobiT mesame<br />
politikuri centris formirebas<br />
SeZlebs?<br />
_ `daicavi saqarTvelo~ mesame<br />
politikuri centris formirebas<br />
damoukideblad, jerjerobiT, ver<br />
SeZlebs. `daicavi saqarTvelo~ mesame<br />
centrs sazogadoebasa da danarCen<br />
politikur speqtrTan er-<br />
Tad Seqmnis.<br />
_ ise Tu moxda da zugdidis<br />
meris arCevnebSi gaerTianebuli<br />
opoziciis kandidati, sandra rulovsi<br />
gaimarjvebs, es xom erTgvari<br />
signali iqneba, rom sazoga-<br />
doebas aRarc `ocneba~ unda,<br />
aRarc _ `daicavi saqarTvelo~ da<br />
mzadaa, xelisuflebaSi `nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba~ da misi partnio-<br />
ri partiebi moiyvanos?<br />
_ Tu zugdidis arCevnebSi gaer-<br />
Tianebuli opoziciis kandidati<br />
gaimarjvebs, pirdapir geubnebiT:<br />
es katastrofa iqneba!<br />
_ ukacravad, Tu xalxi sandra<br />
rulovsis sasargeblod gaakeTebs<br />
arCevans, es katastrofa ratom<br />
iqneba? liderebi xalxze maRla<br />
ratom dgebiT?<br />
_ ara, xalxze maRla ar vdgebi!<br />
ra ufleba maqvs, rom xalxze maRla<br />
davdge?<br />
Tu es xalxis arCevani iqneba da<br />
sandra rulovsi zugdidis meri<br />
gaxdeba, es qveynisa da sazogadoebis<br />
ganviTarebisTvis, miuxedavad<br />
imisa, rom xalxi miscems xmas, katastrofa<br />
iqneba imitom, rom sandra<br />
rulovsisTvis da, saerTod, `nacionaluri<br />
moZraobisTvis~ zugdidis<br />
meroba meorexarisxovania. mTavari<br />
is aris, rom sandra rulovsis<br />
kalTas amofarebulma mixeil<br />
saakaSvilma samegreloSi saimiso<br />
placdarmi Seqmnas, rom biZina<br />
ivaniSvili sabolood daamarcxos<br />
da xelisuflebaSi TviTon dabrundes!<br />
aq sxva motivacias ver vxedav da<br />
arc arsebobs. amitom vambob, rom<br />
es qarTuli saxelmwifosa da sazogadoebisTvis<br />
katastrofa iqneba,<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom sandras<br />
xalxi miscems xmas!<br />
mokled, zugdidis sazogadoebas<br />
movuwodeb, rom es ar dauSvas<br />
_ im warsulSi dabruneba, romelsac<br />
momavali ar uweria, ar SeiZleba!<br />
mimaCnia, rom `nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba~, mixeil saakaSvili da<br />
sandra rulovsi is warsulia,<br />
romelsac momavali ar gaaCnia!<br />
kidev erTi mTavari sakiTxi,<br />
romelzedac weRan visaubreT: sandra<br />
rulovsis zugdidSi gamarjveba<br />
mesame politikuri centris<br />
erovnul ideas saerTod daasamarebs,<br />
anu arCevani isev `nacionalur<br />
moZraobasa~ da `qarTul ocnebas~<br />
Soris darCeba da isev am<br />
jado wreSi vitrialebT!<br />
_ rac Seexeba `daicavi saqar-<br />
Tvelos~, Cveni gamocemis mTavar-<br />
ma redaqtorma, eliso kilaZem,<br />
eqskluziuri infrmacia gaavrce-<br />
la, romlis Tanaxmadac, aw ukve<br />
Tqveni organizaciis filarmoni-<br />
is Sekreba `kanonierma qurdebma~<br />
daafinanses. eliso kilaZem eka be-<br />
seliasa da erT-erTi kriminalis<br />
erToblivi fotoc gamoaqveyna..<br />
_ warmoidgineT, rom amis Sesaxeb<br />
presiT gavigeT. yvela Jurnalists<br />
vuTxari da Tqvenc geubnebiT,<br />
rom `daicavi saqarTvelos~ am yrilobis<br />
organizebaSi monawileoba<br />
ar mimiRia. amitom ar vici, darbazis<br />
fuli vin gadaixada da, saer-<br />
Tod, ra finansebi iyo saWiro.<br />
ratom ar mivida levan gaCeCilaZe<br />
organizaciis yrilobaze?<br />
_ filarmoniis daqiraveba sak-<br />
maod Zviri siamovnebaa.<br />
_ arc es vici da SegiZliaT, im<br />
adamianebs hkiTxoT, vinc es gaakeTa.<br />
_ yrilobis organizebaSi<br />
monawileoba ratom ar miiReT?<br />
_ jer erTi, TbilisSi ar viyavi.<br />
meorec, CemTvis ar ukiTxavT da<br />
arc me miviCnie saWirod, ariqa,<br />
unda vicode, darbazs rogor<br />
qiraobT da am Tanxas vin ixdismeTqi.<br />
_ anu `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />
liderSifidan yrilobamde gag-<br />
TiSes?<br />
_ ara, aravis gavuTiSivar. liderebisTvis<br />
rom mekiTxa, ra xdeba-meTqi,<br />
amas gavigebdi, magram,<br />
ubralod, ar davinteresdi.<br />
TbilisSic ar vyofilvar. Zalian<br />
kargad iciT, rom `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />
marto zugdidSi funqcionirebda.<br />
yrilobaze zugdididan<br />
megobrebTan erTad Camovedi.<br />
_ mgoni, SemTxveviT ar gausviT<br />
xazi, rom amdeni xnis ganmavloba-<br />
Si `daicavi saqarTvelo~ marto<br />
zugdidSi funqcionirebda. diax,<br />
gidasturebT, rom bolo wuTam-<br />
de am organizacias mxolod Tqven<br />
acocxlebdiT da axla, roca `da-<br />
icavi saqarTvelo~ datoveT, e. i.,<br />
raRac xdeba. sxvaTa Soris, `da-<br />
icavi saqarTvelos~ saakaSvilis<br />
prezidentobis drosac xSirad<br />
tovebdnen wevrebi. 2013 wels ki<br />
mediaSi is informaciac gaJRerda,<br />
rom am organizaciis gacocx-<br />
lebas TiTqos gia xuxaSvili api-<br />
rebda, romelic maSin premier<br />
ivaniSvilis mrCeveli iyo.<br />
_ aseTi raRac ar vici.<br />
_ Tqven ar iciT, magram imas<br />
geubnebiT, rasac qarTuli presis<br />
arqivi inaxavs.<br />
_ ar vici, vin ras ityvis. mgoni,<br />
naTlad agixseniT, is gancxadeba,<br />
romelic gavakeTe, ratomac gavakeTe.<br />
Tqvens kiTxvebsac gulwrfelad<br />
vupasuxe da vnaxoT, movlenebi<br />
`daicavi saqarTvelos~ irgvliv<br />
rogor ganviTardeba.<br />
aseve sainteresoa, qarTuli sazogadoeba<br />
rogor SeZlebs, rom am<br />
jado wridan gamovides. giTxariT,<br />
rom am jado wridan gamosvlis<br />
procesSi aqtiurad miviReb monawileobas.<br />
_ mas Semdeg, rac `daicavi<br />
saqarTvelo~ datoveT, daviT maR-<br />
raZesTan komunikacia gqondaT?<br />
_ diax, erTmaneTs davurekeT.<br />
kidev geubnebiT, iseTi araferi<br />
momxdara. SeiZleba, Jurnalistebsa<br />
da sazogadoebis wevrebs gaukvirdaT,<br />
Torem Cven megobrebi varT,<br />
urTierTobas vagrZelebT.<br />
_ Tu mesame Zala ver Seiqmneba,<br />
rogor fiqrobT, qarTul poli-<br />
tikas ra elis?<br />
_ Tu mesame Zala ver Seiqmneba,<br />
maSin qarTuli politika am jado<br />
wreSi CarCeba da saqarTveloSi<br />
politika sabolood dasruldeba!<br />
yvelafer amiT ki saqarTvelo damarcxdeba<br />
imitom, rom jado wreSi<br />
triali Waobisa da damarcxebis<br />
sawindaria!<br />
qarTuli sazogadoeba rom ganviTardes,<br />
qveyanac ganaviTaros da<br />
ganviTarebis evropul dones miaRwios,<br />
amisTvis saWiroa, rom am<br />
jado wridan amovideT! sxva SemTxvevaSi<br />
gamarjveba ar gviweria!<br />
_ bolos, miTxariT, es jado<br />
wre biZina ivaniSvils ufro awy-<br />
obs Tu mixeil saakaSvils?<br />
_ orives.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ am jado wreSi ori monawile<br />
da subieqtia _ mixeil saakaSvili<br />
da biZina ivaniSvili. isini yovel-<br />
Tvis am jado wreSi itrialeben.<br />
damarcxebuli da pirSi Calagamovlebuli<br />
ki qarTuli saxelmwifo<br />
da sazogadoeba darCeba!<br />
ise, yvelafer amis gamo pesimisturi<br />
ganwyoba maqvs. minda, es qveyana<br />
ganviTardes da CvenTvis uke-<br />
Tesi iqneba, rom evrokavSirisa da<br />
natos wevrebi rac SeiZleba male<br />
gavxdeT. ra Tqma unda, pesimisturad<br />
var ganwyobili, magram momavals<br />
imedis TvaliT Sevyureb!<br />
saerTod, bunebiT pesimisti ar<br />
var. amitom, vimedovneb, qarTuli<br />
sazogadoeba am jado wres daZlevs<br />
da im mizans miaRwevs, razedac<br />
didi xania, vfiqrob.<br />
_ da es mizani ra aris?<br />
_ Rirseuli adgili civilizebul<br />
samyaroSi!<br />
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21-e gverdidan<br />
- arasdros, arc erT rus politikoss<br />
an xelisuflebasTan<br />
daaxloebul eqsperts an Jurnalists<br />
arsad ar uTqvams, rom kremli<br />
mzadaa aseTi garigebisTvis.<br />
metic: putinsac da medvedevsac<br />
araerTxel araorjer da araaTjer<br />
aqvT naTqvami, _ saqarTvelo<br />
unda Seeguos axal realobas. naTqvamia<br />
gasagebad, Ria teqstiT. ratom<br />
aris am situaciaSi burjana-<br />
Zis an ada marSanias sityvebi ufro<br />
damarwmunebeli, vidre Tavad<br />
putinisa da medvedevis ganmartebebi<br />
_ gaugebaria. amis asaxsnelad<br />
saWiroa ara politologi, aramed<br />
_ fsiqiatri.<br />
isev qarTuli infantilizmi _<br />
TeTrze jiutad Savis darqmeva<br />
wlebis manZilze. ase iqcevian bav-<br />
Svebi, rodesac stresul situaciaSi<br />
qmnian sakuTar, iluzorul<br />
samyaros. amitomac Zalian kargi,<br />
saakaSvilma rusebs es garigeba<br />
rom SesTavaza. kidev erTxel gavigeT,<br />
rom natoSi Sesvla-arSesvla<br />
arafers cvlis. natoze uari<br />
Tu vTqviT, xval aucileblad mogviwevs<br />
uaris Tqma kidev rameze.<br />
Tanac aranair teritoriebs amis<br />
sanacvlod Cven aravin dagvibrunebs.<br />
ruseTi aris imperia da yvela<br />
imperias aqvs Tavisi Rirsebis kodeqsi,<br />
romelsac qarTveli vaipolitikosi<br />
da bazris movaWre ver<br />
gaigebs. am kodeqsis erT-erTi nawilia<br />
is, rom imperia arasdros<br />
vaWrobs mokavSireebiT. miT umetes,<br />
iseT umniSvnelo moTamaSesTan,<br />
rogoric saqarTveloa.<br />
_ zogadad, ruseTma icis, ra<br />
unda saqarTvelosgan? an arse-<br />
bobs ase dogmaturad gansaz-<br />
Rvruli mocemuloba _ ra unda<br />
da ras gverCis?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, icis. ruseTs<br />
ar sWirdeba ssrk-s aRdgena, miT<br />
umetes, romelime yofili sabWo-<br />
Ta respublika Tavis SemadgenlobaSi.<br />
xval saqarTvelo rom prorusuli<br />
saxelmwifo gaxdes, garegnulad<br />
araferi Seicvleba. qveyenaSi<br />
ar idgeba rusuli jari,<br />
TbilisSi ar ijdeba putinis `namestniki~.<br />
ruseTisTvis mTavaria<br />
gavlena da TamaSis wesebi. saqar-<br />
TveloSi unda iyos rusul yaidaze<br />
awyobili marTvis sistema, ideurad<br />
axlo adamianebi xelmZRvanelobaSi<br />
da aucilebelia erTguleba<br />
ritorikis doneze.<br />
SesaZlebelia, vinmes es umniSvnelod<br />
moeCvenos, Tumca esaa<br />
rusuli imperializmis damaxasiaTebeli<br />
Tviseba _ is arasdros<br />
eZebs materialur mogebas koloniebisgan<br />
da isini rusebs sWirdebaT<br />
sakuTaris egos dasakmayofileblad.<br />
isini mzad arian finansurad<br />
izaralon, oRond igrZnon,<br />
rom maT `isev pativs scems<br />
mTeli msoflio~.<br />
_ dameTanxme, esec erTgvari<br />
axirebaa?<br />
_ diax, rusebic xom Taviseburad<br />
patara bavSvebi arian, oRond<br />
qarTvelebisgan gansxvavebiT, borotebi,<br />
saSiSebi da mravalricxovnebi.<br />
nu eZebT rusul politikaSi<br />
kargad gaTvlil logikas.<br />
is ar arsebobs. realuri faqtorebi<br />
ki _ iseTi, rogorc aris<br />
gazisa da navTobis transportirebis<br />
marSrutebis gakontroleba,<br />
saboloo jamSi, emsaxureba<br />
28<br />
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Cxubis donemde daeca~<br />
`mTeli qveyana cxovrobs Cxubis, gawev-gamowevisa, da dedis ginebis reJimSi.<br />
tipuri qarTuli scena - Sua quCaSi dgas viRac kaci an qali, mobiluri<br />
telefoniT xelSi da viRacas bolo xmaze eCxubeba, rogorc wesi,<br />
umniSvnelo mizezebis gamo. saqarTvelo aris unikaluri qveyana - aq<br />
mkvlelobebis 99%-is mizezia "Selaparakeba" - ara bandituri garCevebi, ara<br />
fulis gayofa, ara eWvianoba, aramed - `Selaparakeba~<br />
swored am, sruliad iracionalur<br />
imperiul miswrafebebs.<br />
_ axla qarTul politikas<br />
davubrundeT, sadac, rogorc<br />
ityvian, ZaRli patrons ver sc-<br />
nobs. rogor Seafasebdi qarTul<br />
politikaSi amJamad arsebul vi-<br />
Tarebas? xom ar fiqrob, rom<br />
qarTuli politikuri goni dab-<br />
erda da is verafers axals ver<br />
sTavazobs sazogadoebas?<br />
_ qarTul politikaSic qar-<br />
Tvelebi arian, maSasadame, didi<br />
bavSvebi.<br />
SeiZleba, bavSvuri butiaobis<br />
garda moeZebnos raime logikuri,<br />
zrdasruli adamianisTvis Sesaferisi<br />
axsna imas, rac axla xdeba<br />
avlabris prezidentis sasaxlis<br />
irgvliv? gabutulebi ar Sedian<br />
SenobaSi, Tumca xvdebian, rom<br />
saWiroa da amitom erTdroulad<br />
inaxaven or Senobas _ aTonelisa<br />
da avlabris rezidencias. arsebobs<br />
qveyana germania, sadac cxovroben<br />
germanelebi _ Zalian<br />
Wkviani da seriozuli xalxi. dRes<br />
qveynis parlamenti raixstagSi<br />
muSaobs, anu SenobaSi, sadac 1933-<br />
1945 wlebSi muSaobda hitleri.<br />
ratomRac, arc erT germanels ar<br />
mosvlia azrad am Senobis dacarieleba<br />
im mizeziT, rom is `borotebis<br />
simboloa~. ai, ase iqcevian<br />
zrdasruli erebi da maTi<br />
zrdasruli politikosebi.<br />
qarTuli politika iseTive infantiluria,<br />
rogorc qarTuli<br />
sazogadoebis nawili. ra Tqma<br />
unda, gansxvaveba arsebobs. magaliTad,<br />
`qocebs~ marTva saerTod ar<br />
SeuZliaT, `nacebs~ _ ukeTesad<br />
SeuZliaT, Sesabamisad, `qocebis~<br />
dros aris sruli qaosi, `nacebis~<br />
dros qaosi iqneba naklebi.<br />
Tumca, saboloo jamSi, politikac<br />
da qveynis Senebac xalxis<br />
xelSia da ara _ politikosebs.<br />
sanam qveyana da eri ar gaizrdeba<br />
_ Tvisobrivi winsvla ar iqneba<br />
arc politikaSi, arc ekonomikaSi<br />
da saerTod arsad.<br />
_ politikuri aqtorebi obivatels,<br />
sazogadoebas, amomrCev-<br />
els eubnebian da es maT qmede-<br />
bebSi Cans, rom politikaSi gama-<br />
rjvebis sawindaria agresia. am<br />
fonze amomrCevelic emorCileba<br />
politikuri subieqtebis nebas da<br />
arCevans kvlav da kvlav akeTebs<br />
ara politikuri programebisa da<br />
dapirebebis safuZvelze, aramed<br />
sakuTar TavSi Camoyalibebuli<br />
stigmebis kvalobaze. politiku-<br />
ri velidan realurad gaqra go-<br />
niereba da Cven politikosebis<br />
spontanurobis, xSir SemTxvevaSi,<br />
maTi vnebebisa da merkantiluri<br />
zraxvebis damakmayofilebeli in-<br />
strumentebi vxdebiT. aris raime<br />
saxis gamosavali am mojadoebu-<br />
li wridan, sadac sxvas yvelafers<br />
rom Tavi davaneboT, person-<br />
ebic ki ar icvlebian, azrsa da<br />
ideaze xom saubaric zedmetia?<br />
_ gamosavali igivea: rac eri _<br />
is beri. qarTvelebs ver eyolebaT<br />
germanuli tipis politikosebi _<br />
amisTvis saqarTveloSi arasakmarisi<br />
germanelia. agresiuloba da<br />
spontanuroba aris qarTuli cx-<br />
`sinamdvileSi, gza natosken<br />
ufro mniSvnelovania, vidre<br />
Tavad nato. pirvel rigSi,<br />
saqarTvelosnair, realobebs<br />
Soris gaWedili qveynisTvis<br />
aucilebelia raRac didi,<br />
Tundac Znelad misaRwevi<br />
mizani - swored aseTi<br />
miznebi axdens qveynebis<br />
gadaqcevas gaurkveveli<br />
teritoriebidan<br />
saxelmwifoebad. es aris<br />
erTgvari erovnuli<br />
ideologia~<br />
ovrebis wesis ori burji, amitomac<br />
politika Sesabamisia.<br />
kidev erTxel gavimeoreb: mTeli<br />
qveyana cxovrobs Cxubis, gawev-gamowevisa,<br />
da dedis ginebis<br />
reJimSi. tipuri qarTuli scena _<br />
Sua quCaSi dgas viRac kaci an<br />
qali, mobiluri telefoniT xel-<br />
Si da viRacas bolo xmaze eCxubeba,<br />
rogorc wesi, umniSvnelo mizezebis<br />
gamo. saqarTvelo aris unikaluri<br />
qveyana _ aq mkvlelobebis<br />
99%-is mizezia `Selaparakeba~<br />
_ ara bandituri garCevebi, ara<br />
fulis gayofa, ara eWvianoba,<br />
aramed _ `Selaparakeba~.<br />
Tqven gindaT, rom aseT qveyanaSi<br />
politika araagresiuli iyos?<br />
_ rogori iqneba 2020 wlisTvis<br />
qarTuli politikuri konfigu-<br />
racia da ramdenad Caereva ruse-<br />
Ti am konfiguraciis formireb-<br />
is procesSi?<br />
_ konfiguracia iqneba zustad<br />
iseTi. rogoric axlaa. araviTari<br />
mesame Zala ar iqneba da aqac vxvdebiT<br />
qarTul infantilizmisa<br />
da winaamRdegobas SexedulebebSi<br />
_ yvelas mobezrda Zveli saxeebi,<br />
Tumca rogorc ki gaCndeba axali<br />
saxe _ sayveduroben, rom mas ar<br />
gaaCnia gamocdileba da mas aravin<br />
icnobs.<br />
es gaoreba SeuZlebels xdis<br />
axali politikosebis gamoCenas.<br />
amitomac yvelaferi isev itrialebs<br />
ori gigantis _ qocebisa da<br />
nacebis irgvliv.<br />
qocebis, aseve aqvT, rezervi<br />
`patriotTa aliansia~. am ori<br />
partiis urTierToba ukve daviwyebul<br />
duets waagavs: `moqalaqe-<br />
Ta kavSiri~ _ `aRorZineba~. ramdenic<br />
ar unda aginon erTmaneTs,<br />
ideuri da mentaluri siaxlove<br />
mainc Tavisas Svreba da saWiroebis<br />
SemTxvevaSi isini aucileblad<br />
dauWeren mxars erTmaneTs. igive<br />
SeiZleba iTqvas sawinaaRmdego banakSi<br />
myof monaTesave partiebze<br />
_ `nacmoZraobasa~ da `evropul<br />
saqarTveloze~.<br />
saboloo jamSi, xelisuflebis<br />
sakiTxi am or banaks Soris gadawydeba.<br />
rac Seexeba ruseTs, is moiqceva<br />
iseve, rogorc saprezidento<br />
arCevnebSi _ ar Caereva Riad da<br />
gaxsnilad, Tumca, ra Tqma unda,<br />
`qocebis~ gamarjveba maTTvis sasurveli<br />
iqneba.<br />
ar gamovricxav, Tuki `ocnebis~<br />
wageba realuri gaxdeba, moskovi,<br />
gafrTxilebis mizniT, droebiT<br />
SeaCerebs romelime qarTuli<br />
produqtis imports, _ moiqeciT<br />
wesierad, Torem bazars CagiketavT.<br />
_ dabolos, ra aris is erTi,<br />
ori an sami umTavresi komponen-<br />
ti, romelic aucilebelia qarT-<br />
uli saxelmwifos mdgradobis-<br />
Tvis da romlis gareSec saxelm-<br />
wifos ganviTareba, ubralod,<br />
SeuZlebelia? ra aris is umTavr-<br />
esi Rirebuleba, romelic yvela<br />
xelisuflebisTvis memkvidreob-<br />
iTobis princips unda atarebdes?<br />
_ saxelmwifoebrivi azrovneba<br />
aris pasuxismgebloba yvela doneze<br />
_ dawyebuli meezoviT, damTavrebuli<br />
qveynis xelmZRvanelobiT,<br />
da racionaluri azris dominireba<br />
emociebze.<br />
erTi sityviT, eri unda gamovides<br />
sabavSo baRis asakidan da<br />
wavides skolaSi.<br />
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gega silagava<br />
pankisis xeobaSi ganviTarebul<br />
movlenebTan dakavSirebiT `qronika+~<br />
eTnikur konfesiaTa centris<br />
xelmZRvanel lela jejela-<br />
vas esaubra:<br />
_ pankisSi ganviTarebulma mov-<br />
lenebma TvalnaTliv dagvanaxa,<br />
rom xelisufleba da misi institutebi<br />
ver axerxeben mosaxleobasTan<br />
normalur da civilize-<br />
bul urTierTobas. ra aris amis<br />
mizezi?<br />
_ Cven ukve viciT, rom sakuTar<br />
moqalaqeebTan komunikaciis unari<br />
ar aris `qarTuli ocnebis~ Zlieri<br />
mxare. metic, es aris gadaulaxavi<br />
barieri, romelic problemas uqmnis<br />
saxelmwifos da Tavad xelisuflebasc,<br />
oRond xelisuflebas<br />
amis gacnobierebis unaric ar<br />
Seswevs. yvela xelisuflebis aqilevsis<br />
qusli aris is, rom is saku-<br />
Tar politikur interesebsa da<br />
saxelmwifos interesebs Soris<br />
tolobis niSans svams. saxelmwifo<br />
bevrad ufro didi Rirebulebaa,<br />
vidre romelime konkretuli xelisufleba<br />
da misi interesi. saxelmwifo<br />
ar ekuTvnis mxolod xelisuflebas<br />
da mis momxreebs. saxelmwifo<br />
sistemis gamarTulobas<br />
swored is warmoaCens, ramdenad<br />
xerxdeba dapirispirebuli interesebis<br />
SeTanxmeba erTi da sayovelTao<br />
interesis _ saxelmwifos<br />
stabilurobisa da moqalaqeebis<br />
uflebebis garSemo. cxadia, saxelmwifos<br />
krizisul viTarebaSi Zalis<br />
gamoyenebis legitimuri ufleba<br />
aqvs, magram aseve aqvs pauxismgebloba,<br />
aqamde ar miiyvanos<br />
saqme.<br />
_ socialur mediaSi gamoiTq-<br />
va sxvadasxva mosazreba pankisSi<br />
ganviTarebul movlenebze. Tqven<br />
ra migaCniaT realur mizezad?<br />
_ mimaCnia, rom pankisis xeobas-<br />
Tan dakavSirebiT am xelisuflebam<br />
yvela is Secdoma gaimeora,<br />
rasac maTi winamorbedebi uSvebdnen.<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom obieqtur<br />
mocemulobaTa gamo regioni<br />
Zalian mgrZnobiarea, misi mxolod<br />
usafrTxoebis konteqstSi ganxilva<br />
ar aris marTebuli. yvelam Zalian<br />
kargad viciT, vis interesebSi<br />
Sedis, rom pankisis xeoba mudmivad<br />
maRali riskebis mqone regionad<br />
iyos miCneuli. mTeli pasuxismgeblobiT<br />
SemiZlia vTqva, rom<br />
xelisuflebam didi Secdoma dauSva,<br />
rodesac hesebis mSeneblobas-<br />
Tan dakavSirebiT dialogi awarmoa<br />
mxolod sakuTar partiul aqtiv-<br />
Tan da mxardamWerebTan, maSin rodesac<br />
kargad icodnen, rom xeobis<br />
mosaxleobis didi nawili winaaRmdegi<br />
iyo am mSeneblobis. miuxedavad<br />
imisa, rom Zalian yuradRebiT<br />
vadevneb Tvals xeobaSi mimdinare<br />
procesebs da hesebis mSeneblobasTan<br />
dakavSirebul viTarebas,<br />
ar Semxvedria xelisuflebis<br />
myari argumentebi _ aseTi winaaRmdegobis<br />
miuxedavad ratom aris<br />
aseT patara xeobaSi oTxi hesis<br />
mSenebloba aucilebeli, miT ufro,<br />
rogorc energetikosebi aRni-<br />
Snaven, energetikuli TvalsazrisiT<br />
es proeqtebi arcTu mniSvnelovania?<br />
an ratom aris SeuZlebeli<br />
pankisis xeobis ekosistemis<br />
SenarCunebiT ufro meti ekonomikuri<br />
dividendis miReba, vidre am<br />
hesebis mSeneblobiT? dResac,<br />
rodesac xeobaSi viTareba ukiduresad<br />
daZabulia da danis pirze<br />
gavdivarT, qalbaton ministrs,<br />
romlis moTxovniTac xeobaSi policiis<br />
razmebi Cavida, neba ar<br />
uboZebia da ar ganumartavs sazogadoebisTvis,<br />
ra gardauval aucileblobas<br />
warmoadgenda aseTi<br />
ukiduresi RonisZiebis gatareba.<br />
_ amavdroulad, CvenTvis cno-<br />
bilia, rom am sakiTxTan dakavSi-<br />
rebiT mimdinareobs sasamarTlo<br />
dava.<br />
_ diax da bunebrivad miCndeba<br />
kiTxva, _ ratom ar daeloda ekonomikuri<br />
gundi sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebas<br />
pankisSi hesis mSeneblobasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT? ratom<br />
ar amowures adgilobriv mosaxleobasTan<br />
dialogis yvela resursi?<br />
dRevandeli procesebis analizis<br />
Semdeg me, rogorc moqalaqes mainteresebs:<br />
ratom gadaaqcia Cvenma<br />
xelisuflebam Sinagan saqmeTa ministri<br />
personad, romelic mudmivad<br />
bodiSs unda ixdides Tavisi<br />
Tu sxvisi Secdomebis gamo?! meramdened<br />
unda vnaxoT mosaxleobis<br />
winaaRmdegobis gamo specdaniSnulebis<br />
razmis gamoZevebuli mebrZolebi?!<br />
ratom vakninebT maT funqcias,<br />
ratom vaxdenT maT diskreditacias<br />
moqalaqeebis TvalSi?!<br />
ratom vaqcieT Cveni saxelmwifos<br />
usafrTxoebis garantebi Savlego<br />
madlianis (Ccd-s personaJi, _ avt.)<br />
specrazmad, romelmac konkretuli<br />
biznesjgufebis interesebi<br />
unda daicvan?!<br />
_ Tqveni mosazrebiT, ratom?<br />
_ Cveni Ss ministris adgilze me<br />
am kiTxvebs seriozulad CavuRrmavdebodi,<br />
miT ufro maSin, rom<br />
mTeli es procesebi misi gadayenebis<br />
moTxovnis fonze mimdinareobda.<br />
_ sakmaod saintereso miniSnebaa,<br />
magram pankiss davubrun-<br />
deT. minda gkiTxoT, ramdenad<br />
aris SesaZlebeli yoveli aseTi<br />
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lela jejelava:<br />
`ratom gadaaqcia<br />
xelisuflebam Ss<br />
ministri<br />
personad,<br />
romelic<br />
mudmivad bodiSs<br />
unda ixdides?~<br />
`meramdened unda vnaxoT<br />
mosaxleobis<br />
winaaRmdegobis gamo<br />
specdaniSnulebis razmis<br />
gamoZevebuli<br />
mebrZolebi?! ratom<br />
vakninebT maT funqcias,<br />
ratom vaxdenT maT<br />
diskreditacias<br />
moqalaqeebis TvalSi?!<br />
ratom vaqcieT Cveni<br />
saxelmwifos<br />
usafrTxoebis garantebi<br />
Savlego madlianis (Ccd-s<br />
personaJi, - avt.)<br />
specrazmad, romelmac<br />
konkretuli<br />
biznesjgufebis interesebi<br />
unda daicvan?!~<br />
SemTxveviT isargeblos Crdil-<br />
oelma mezobelma da Tu aseTi ram<br />
gamoricxuli ar aris, Tqveni mo-<br />
sazrebiT, ras niSnavs, `isargeb-<br />
los~?<br />
_ zemoTac aRvniSne, rom pankisis<br />
xeobaSi daZabulobis maRali<br />
xarisxis SenarCuneba upirobod<br />
Sedis ruseTis interesebSi, gansakuTrebiT<br />
axla, rodesac mTeli<br />
kavkasiis regioni seriozul<br />
politikur ryevebs ganicdis.<br />
gaixseneT, ra xdeba inguSeTSi, didoelebis<br />
problema, yabardo-balyareTi<br />
da am fonze pankisSi daZabuloba<br />
ruseTisTvis damatebiT<br />
Jangbadis miwodebis tolfasia.<br />
swored amitom miCndeba kiTxva, _<br />
ra iseTi maRali ekonomikuri interesis<br />
matarebelia am 5-megavatiani<br />
hesis mSenebloba, rom isedac<br />
aseT mgrZnobiare regionSi,<br />
romelmac urTules gamowvevebs<br />
gauZlo saqarTvelos uaxlesi istoriis<br />
manZilze, daZabulobis axali<br />
kera SevqmnaT?!.<br />
_ Cven gvqonda periodi, rodesac<br />
pankiss xelisufleba, faqto-<br />
brivad, ver akontrolebda, gvqonda<br />
viTareba, rodesac iq arsebu-<br />
li viTareba qarTuli, rusuli da<br />
aSS-is specsamsaxurebis `zrunvis~<br />
sakiTxi iyo. Semdeg viTareba<br />
TiTq<br />
Tqos damSvidda, magram gvaxsovs<br />
sakmaod masStaburi speco-<br />
peracia `nacionaluri moZraobis~<br />
xelisuflebaSi yofnisas. mere<br />
isev damSvidda viTareba da vnaxeT<br />
morigi specoperacia, romel-<br />
ic Temirlan maCalikaSvilis<br />
daRupviT dasrulda. avxsnaT, ra<br />
politikuri mocemulobaa saqar-<br />
TvelosTvis pankisi?<br />
_ diax, pankisis xeobam ramdenime<br />
umwvavesi faza gaiara qarTuli<br />
saxelmwifos ganviTarebasTan<br />
erTad da, SeiZleba iTqvas, did<br />
gamowvevebs gauZlo, romelic Cveni<br />
saxelmwifos winaSe idga. amaSi<br />
namdvilad didia xeobis mosaxleobis<br />
wvlili. erTmniSvnelovnad<br />
SeiZleba iTqvas, rom wlebis man-<br />
Zilze pankisis xeobaSi riskebi<br />
dakavSirebuli iyo rogorc xelisuflebis<br />
SecdomebTan, aseve<br />
gare Zalebis interesebis realizebasTan.<br />
arasodes damaviwydeba<br />
90-iani wlebis bolos blokpostebi<br />
xeobis misadgomebTan, rac Cveni<br />
saxelmwifos ususurobis simbolod<br />
aRiqmeboda. blokpostebis<br />
fonze gatacebuli adamianebi,<br />
narkotikebis trazinti, daTrgunuli<br />
mosaxleoba, gaTxrili<br />
sangrebi da iq gamagrebuli SeiaraRebuli<br />
adamianebi. madloba RmerTs,<br />
amanac gaiara. me piradad ar<br />
mimiRia pasuxi im kiTxvebze, romlebic<br />
saakaSvilis xelisuflebis<br />
pirobebSi ganxorcielebul lafanyuris<br />
specoperaciasTan dakav-<br />
SirebiT gauCnda sazogadoebas. upasuxod<br />
darCenilma kiTxvebma kidev<br />
ufro gaaRrmava undobloba pankisis<br />
mosaxleobasa da saqarTvelos<br />
maSindel xelisuflebas<br />
Soris. dRemde ar gvaqvs sicxade<br />
specoperaciis dros Temirlan<br />
maCalikaSvilis mkvlelobasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT. xelisufleba sazogadoebis<br />
maRali interesis dakmayofilebis<br />
nacvlad dumils amjobinebs.<br />
rodesac xelisufleba ver<br />
asabuTebs Tavis legitimur gadawyvetilebebs,<br />
es bunebrivad aRZravs<br />
mis mimarT eWvebs da ndobas<br />
ukargavs. roca ar Segwevs unari,<br />
argumentirebulad daasabuTo<br />
Seni qmedebebis Sesabamisoba saxelmwifos<br />
interesebTan an ar gyofnis<br />
Zala, aRiaro daSvebuli Secdomebi,<br />
es miuTiTebs mxolod araprofesionalizmsa<br />
da sisusteze.<br />
ar minda uaresis daSveba. erTi sityviT<br />
rom vTqvaT, pankisis xeoba<br />
aris geopolitikuri interesebis<br />
Sejaxebis erT-erTi umniSvnelovanesi<br />
adgili da Sesabamisad, gamowveva<br />
Cveni saxelmwifosTvis, romelic<br />
pankisel moqalaqeebTan er-<br />
Tad unda davZlioT. amis yvela<br />
resursi gvaqvs da, pirvel rigSi,<br />
es Tavad pankiselebis maRali moqalaqeobrivi<br />
TviTSegnebaa.<br />
_ viciT, rom xeobidan araer-<br />
Ti adamiani ibrZoda siriaSi. ram-<br />
denad aris safrTxe, rom garkve-<br />
uli nawili dabrunda xeobaSi da<br />
isini viTarebis SemdgomSi daZab-<br />
vis sababi gaxdnen Tu am mxriv<br />
safrxeebs ar unda velodoT?<br />
_ marTalia, rom Cveni pankiseli<br />
axalgazrdebis garkveuli nawili<br />
aRmoCnda Cabmuli axlo aRmosavleTSi<br />
mimdinare procesebSi,<br />
isini ibrZodnen siriasa da eraySi<br />
islamuri saxelmwifos rigebSi,<br />
aseve siriis opoziciuri armiis<br />
mxares da aman pankisTan dakavSirebuli<br />
riskebi kidev ufro gaamwvava.<br />
magram esec dauZleveli problemaa.<br />
Tu rekrutirebuli meomrebi<br />
amJamad pankisis xeobaSi imyofebian,<br />
maT yvelaze naklebad unda<br />
awyobdeT iq viTarebis gamwvaveba<br />
da amitom Znelad warmosadgenia,<br />
rom movlenebis eskalacias Seuwyon<br />
xeli, radgan pirveli samizneebi<br />
swored Tavad gaxdebian. sxva<br />
saqmea kadirovis momxre qistebi,<br />
romelTac ukve dagvamaxsovres<br />
Tavi gamomwvevi saqcieliT da xeobaSi<br />
areulobis mowyobis mcdelobiT.<br />
erTmniSvnelovnad SegiZliaT<br />
miTxraT, rom pankisis mosaxleoba<br />
srulad dgas qarTuli saxelmwifos<br />
samsaxurSi da aTviTcnobierebs<br />
im miznebs, rac saxelmwifos<br />
aqvs?<br />
Tqven SegiZliaT erTmniSvnelovnad<br />
mipasuxoT, rom qarTuli<br />
xelisufleba, opozicia, media,<br />
politikuri jgufebi da mosaxleoba<br />
srulad dgas saxelmwifos samsaxurSi<br />
da acnobierebs qarTuli<br />
saxelmwifos interesebs?<br />
_ samwuxarod ara. me, am SemTx-<br />
vevaSi, umravlesobaze vsaubrob...<br />
_ cxadia, qist mosaxleobaSic<br />
arian iseTebi, romlebmac Tavisi<br />
gaazrebuli Tu gauazrebeli qmedebebiT<br />
SeiZleba safrTxe Seuqmnan<br />
xeobasac da mTlianad saxelmwifosac.<br />
amitom aris aq saWiro<br />
uaRresad maRali ormxrivi pasuxismgebloba,<br />
rogorc saxelmwifos<br />
Sesabamisi uwyebebis, aseve qisti<br />
moqalaqeebis mxridan.<br />
_ ganmuxtuli viTarebis daZab-<br />
vis sababi yovelTvis SeiZleba<br />
moiZebnos. ra saxis prevenciaa<br />
saWiro xelisuflebis mxridan da<br />
ra aris is politika, romelic<br />
xeobaSi unda gatardes?<br />
_ mjera, rom krizisi ganimuxteba,<br />
minda mjerodes, rom xelisufleba<br />
sworad Seafasebs Seqmnil<br />
viTarebas da gaiazrebs daSvebul<br />
Secdomebs, opozicia daZlevs<br />
cdunebas da Tavisi politikuri<br />
miznebisTvis ar gamoiyenebs xeoba-<br />
Si arsebul mdgomareobas. gamosavali<br />
erTia: moqalaqe unda endobodes<br />
saxelmwifos da saxelmwifo<br />
unda endobodes moqalaqes.<br />
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brZola samarTlianobis aRsadgenad<br />
nari gegeSiZe, 1995 wlidan moy-<br />
nene injgia<br />
olebuli 2013 wlamde, flobda<br />
591 71 39 98<br />
miwis nakveTs ijaris xelSekruleb-<br />
is safuZvelze gldanis mkr-is me-<br />
20 a korpusis mimdebare teritoriaze. 2011 wels man gamoTqva<br />
survili, Seesyida zemoT aRniSnuli miwis nakveTi da Sesabamisi<br />
gancxadebiT orjer mimarTa Tbilisis meriis qonebis mar-<br />
Tvis saagentos, ris sapasuxodac meriis qonebis marTvis<br />
saagentos yofilma ufrosma, daviT Wediam, ukanonod Seuwyvi-<br />
ta ojaxs xelSekruleba. xelSekrulebis Sewyvetis safuZveli<br />
ki ijaris safasuris gadauxdeloba iyo. meriam moqalaqes sasa-<br />
marTloSi uCivla da 25 000 aSS dolaris gadaxdis dakisrebas<br />
iTxovda, saidanac saijaro Tanxa Seadgenda 17 000 aSS dola-<br />
rs, xolo pirgasamtexlo _ 8 000 aSS dolars.<br />
amis sapasuxod nari gegeSiZes<br />
hqonda gadaxdis qviTrebi, rac adasturebs<br />
misi mxridan valdebulebis<br />
keTilsindisierad Sesrulebas.<br />
rogorc gegeSiZe ganmartavs,<br />
mis mier Setanil Tanxas meriis<br />
aRniSnuli samsaxuri ukanonod<br />
iTvisebda da ar afiqsirebda misi<br />
mxridan valdebulebis Sesrulebas,<br />
rasac im mizniT axorcielebda,<br />
rom mis mflobelobaSi arsebuli<br />
miwis nakveTi waerTmiaT.<br />
misive TqmiT, Tbilisis meriis<br />
qonebis marTvis saagentos yofil<br />
ufros daviT Wedias surda, miwis<br />
nakveTi mieyida misi ojaxis axloblisTvis,<br />
xaTuna goginaSvilisTvis,<br />
romlis mamac, zaur goginaSvili,<br />
didZali qonebis mflobeli da<br />
daviT Wedias megobaria. aRsaniSnavia<br />
isic, rom zaur goginaSvils<br />
misi qonebis didi nawili SeZenili<br />
aqvs daviT Wedias Tbilisis meriis<br />
qonebis marTvis saagentos ufrosis<br />
poziciaze yofnis periodSi.<br />
sasamarTlom gadawyvetileba nari<br />
gegeSiZis sasargeblod miiRo da am<br />
Tanxis nacvlad 120 lari daakisra.<br />
es gadawyvetileba gegeSiZes 2013<br />
wlis 3 dekembers Cabarda. mas gauCnda<br />
imedi, rom samarTlianobas<br />
aRadgenda, Tumca aRmoCnda, rom<br />
sasamarTlo procesamde 6 TviT<br />
adre qoneba, romlisTvisac q-ni<br />
nari ibrZoda, auqcionis wesiT<br />
2013 wlis 6 ivliss xaTuna goginaSvilma<br />
SeiZina.<br />
nari gegeSiZe samarTlianobis<br />
aRsadgenad dRemde ibrZvis, Tumca<br />
uSedegod. wlebis Semdegac ver<br />
SeZlo darRveuli uflebebis aRdgena.<br />
`qronika+~ aRniSnul TemasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT nari gegeSiZes es-<br />
aubra:<br />
_ saxelmwifosgan Cems ojaxs<br />
ijariT hqonda aRebuli gldanis<br />
pirvel mkr-Si me-20 a korpusTan<br />
mimdebared 1830 kv.m. miwis nakveTi.<br />
Tavdapirvelad es adgili nagavsayreli<br />
iyo, magram davasabuTeT,<br />
SemovRobeT, gavamwvaneT, asfalti<br />
davageT da xelSekruleba gavaformeT<br />
ise, rogorc wesi iyo. pirveli<br />
xelSekruleba 1993 wels gavaformeT,<br />
maSin xelSekruleba fizikur<br />
pirsa da gamgeobas Soris formdeboda,<br />
e. i. 1993 wlidan 2000<br />
wlamde. xolo meore vadiT gaformebuli<br />
xelSekruleba iyo 2000<br />
wlidan 2005 wlamde. mesame vadiT<br />
ki gavaformeT 2005 wlidan 2013<br />
wlamde. am drois ganmavlobaSi<br />
Cven mudmivad keTilsindisierad<br />
vixdidiT ijaras. roca mesame vadiT<br />
aviReT ijara, maSin weliwad-<br />
Si 6000 dolars vixdidiT. sadRe-<br />
Ramiso avtosadgomi gvqonda, sadac<br />
adgilobrivi mosaxleoba gvyavda<br />
dasaqmebuli. es Cveni erTaderTi<br />
Semosavali iyo. 2010 wels<br />
qalaq Tbilisis meriam, administraciis<br />
ufrosma laSa kekeliZem, mogvwera<br />
da mogvTxova wargvedgina<br />
gadaxdis yvela dedani qviTari. xazgasmiT<br />
minda giTxraT, rom Cven<br />
warvadgineT yvela qviTari, arc<br />
sityvieri da arc werilobiTi<br />
SeniSvna ar mouciaT. erTi dRec ki<br />
ar gvqonda gadacilebuli gadaxdas,<br />
sul droulad vixdidiT. 2011<br />
weli is periodia, roca avtosadgomze<br />
manqanebi ar Semodiodnen,<br />
quCaSi daiwyes gaCereba da zaral-<br />
nari gegeSiZe darRveuli<br />
uflebebis aRdgenas iTxovs<br />
Si aRmovCndiT. TveSi 500 dolars<br />
vixdidiT, muSaoba ki ar iyo, miWirda<br />
gadaxda da amitom gadavwyvite,<br />
es adgili Semesyida. rogorc ukve<br />
giTxariT, avtosadgomis farTobi<br />
sakmaod didi iyo, amdeni Tanxa ar<br />
mqonda, amitom gadavwyvite, Cemi<br />
bina kerZo ipoTekarTan Camedo. es<br />
adgili 20 weli Cemi iyo, keTilsindisieri<br />
gadamxdeli viyavi da<br />
imedi mqonda, Sesyidvas SevZlebdi.<br />
ver warmovidgendi, Tu raime problema<br />
meqneboda. Tavdapirvelad,<br />
avtosadgomi rom gavxseni, ori mewile<br />
myavda, binis ipoTekaSi Cadebis<br />
Semdeg isini gavistumre, radgan<br />
ar moindomes Sesyidva, Tqves,<br />
rom es procesi didxans gagrZeldeboda<br />
da ar undodaT, Tumca me<br />
mainc ver gadamafiqrebines, mainc<br />
Sesyidvis imedi mqonda. mas Semdeg,<br />
rac bina ipoTekaSi Cavde da Sesasyidi<br />
fulic gadavde, rwmunebuli<br />
babulia undelaSvili aviyvane da<br />
qonebis marTvis saagentos mivwere,<br />
rom am adgilis Sesyidva mindoda:<br />
gTxovT, gagvagebinoT auqcionis<br />
Sesaxeb, migvaRebinoT monawileoba<br />
da gasayidad mogvamzadebinoT<br />
nakveTi. razec mipasuxes, rom Tanaxma<br />
iyvnen, magram nakveTis momijnave<br />
adgilisTvis e. w. wiTeli<br />
xazebi unda gamekeTebina, romelic<br />
aucilebeli iyo. Cemi fuliT<br />
gavukeTe nakveTis momijnave me-20 a<br />
korpuss wiTeli xazebi da meriaSi<br />
qonebis marTvis saagentoSi warvadgine.<br />
im periodSi qonebis mar-<br />
Tvis saagentos ufrosi daviT Wedia<br />
iyo, TaRliTi pirovneba, romelic<br />
Semdeg cixeSic ijda, aseve ma-<br />
Sin Tamar maTiaSvili iyo qonebis<br />
marTvis saagentos ufrosis moadgile.<br />
maT ise gaakeTes, rom, moulodnelad,<br />
2011 wlis 31 dekembers,<br />
Setyobineba momivida, rom<br />
ijara Sewyvetili mqonda.<br />
_ ris safuZvelze Segiwyvites<br />
ijara, SetyobinebaSi aRniSnuli<br />
iyo?<br />
_ ris safuZvelze Semiwyvites,<br />
es ar ewera. aseve mogvivida werili,<br />
rom unda agveRo levan samxaraulis<br />
saeqsperto biuros daskvna,<br />
rom Cveni ijara, 6000 dolari,<br />
SesabamisobaSi iyo Tu ara larTan<br />
mimarTebiT. es maSindeli meris,<br />
gigi ugulavas brZaneba iyo, sadac<br />
ewera, rom xelSekrulebis Sewyvvetis<br />
mizezi iqneboda, Tuki samxaraulis<br />
daskvna droze ar gakeTdeboda.<br />
aseT SemTxvevaSi calmxrivad<br />
SeeZloT Sewyveta. ori Tve<br />
gvqonda vada, rom es sabuTi migvetana.<br />
Tve-naxevarSi gavakeTeT yvelaferi,<br />
200-lariani qviTari aviRe<br />
da samxaraulis saeqsperto biurodan<br />
sabuTi maqvs, rom daskvna droulad<br />
gavakeTeT. samxaraulma daadgina,<br />
rom 6000 dolaris ekvivalenti<br />
larebSi unda gadagvexada,<br />
razedac Tanaxma viyaviT. aseve aq<br />
ikveTeba erTi ram: 2011 wlis 9 ivniss<br />
viTom werili gamogvigzavnes,<br />
rom unda gamovcxadeb„liyaviT<br />
saijaro qiris TanxmobasTan dakav-<br />
SirebiT, anu gadagvexada 6000<br />
dolaris ekvivalentiT larebSi.<br />
sinamdvileSi, es werili ar migviRia<br />
da amis oficialuri damadasturebeli<br />
sabuTic maqvs. policiam<br />
daadgina, rom werili Cven ar Cagvbarebia.<br />
yvelanairi gziT mebrZodnen,<br />
meriam sasamarTloSic ki mi-<br />
Civla, TiTqos, 25 000 dolari mqonda<br />
davalianeba, 17 000 dolari<br />
saijaro qira da 8 000 dolari pirgasamtexlo.<br />
aseve minda mogiyveT,<br />
rom me nakveTis mimdebared pirvel<br />
sarTulze arasacxovrebeli<br />
farTi mqonda aRebuli. ise gaakeTes,<br />
rom ijariT aRebul Cems<br />
teritoriaze devnili Semomisaxles,<br />
warmogidgeniaT?! maRazia<br />
mqonda, am farTSi ijaras TveSi 96<br />
lars vixdidi, gadatixres es 110<br />
kv.m. oTaxis farTi da devnili Semomisaxles.<br />
iq mcxovrebma devnilebma<br />
damidastures, rom namdvilad<br />
SemoiWra adamiani Cem mier<br />
daqiravebul farTSi. amis Sesaxeb<br />
notariulad damowmebuli 3 xelmowera<br />
maqvs, rac Tavmjdomarem ar<br />
gaiTvaliswina. saboloo jamSi, am<br />
adamianma es farTi miisakuTra da<br />
dResac iq cxovrobs.<br />
_ rogor fiqrobT, ra iyo mer-<br />
iis mTavari motivi, ratom moqmedebdnen<br />
Tqven winaaRmdeg am gze-<br />
biT?<br />
_ es adgili CemTvis ver gaimetes<br />
da raRac Sari momdes, rom<br />
TiTqos ijaris Tanxa gadaxdili<br />
ar mqonda. xazgasmiT minda aRvniSno,<br />
rom 2010 wels Cem mier wardgenil<br />
gadaxdis qviTrebze aranairi<br />
SeniSvna ar mouciaT (maSin SegvekiTxnen<br />
kidec, _ amden Tanxas<br />
rogor gamoimuSavebT, rom ijara-<br />
Si 500 dolaris gadaxdas axerxebTo?)<br />
rogor moxda, rom 2011<br />
wels 25 000 dolari davalianeba<br />
gvqonda?! mokled, sasamarTloSi<br />
miCivles. me advokatic ki ar amiyvania,<br />
radgan sakuTar simarTleSi<br />
darwmunebuli viyavi. aRmoCnda,<br />
rom saijaro gadaxdis qviTrebisgan<br />
gansxvavebiT, romelic xelSi<br />
miWiravs, merias Tanxa gacilebiT<br />
mcire raodenobiT aqvs gatarebuli.<br />
magaliTad: ianvris qviTarSi<br />
miweria, rom gadavixade 500 dolaris<br />
ekvivalentiT 850 lari, Tumca<br />
meria mitarebs 211 lars. TebervalSi<br />
gadavixade isev 850 lari,<br />
meria mitarebs 115-s. warmoidgineT,<br />
bolo 5 wlis qviTari yvela<br />
analogiurad hqondaT gatarebuli.<br />
Cem mier gadaxdili qviTrebi<br />
yvela Segnebulad daamaxinjes.<br />
_ konkretulad rom gviTxraT,<br />
ra xdeboda sasamarTlo pro-<br />
cesze?<br />
_ es saqme maSin `mecxre arxma~<br />
gaaSuqa. firic maqvs. sxdomaze<br />
qonebis marTvis saagentos ufrosis<br />
moadgile, Tamar maTiaSvili<br />
dakiTxes, es sakiTxi mas exeboda.<br />
aseve iyo meriis warmomadgeneli<br />
levan afxazava, romelsac mosamar-<br />
Tlem kiTxva dausva: yvela qviTari<br />
adgilzea, Tanxa gadaxdili aqvs da<br />
rogor moxda, rom Tqveni cdomilebis<br />
niadagze uwyvetT xelSekrulebaso?<br />
e. i. Cem mier gadaxdili<br />
Tanxa TviTon hqondaT (merias) mitacebuli!<br />
sxvanairad rogor aixsneba<br />
is, rom Sesabamis rekvizitze,<br />
rogorc saijaro qiraSi iyo miTi-<br />
Tebuli, am rekvizitze gadaxdili<br />
qviTrebi me mqonda, TviTon ki sxva<br />
Tanxas mitarebdnen, _ 850 larSi<br />
115-s?! aRsaniSnavia, rom maSin gigi<br />
ugulava mosamarTles mobiluriT<br />
ukavSirdeboda da miTiTebas aZlevda,<br />
magram mosamarTle CixlaZem<br />
gadawyvetileba miiRo da es 25000<br />
dolari Camomaweres.<br />
_ ra gaZlevT imis Tqmis safuZ-<br />
vels, rom uSualod ugulavas<br />
hqonda komunikacia mosamarTl-<br />
esTan?<br />
_ amis Tqmis safuZvels maZlevs<br />
is, rom merias ar surda, teritoria<br />
me Semesyida. es adgili gldanis<br />
pirobaze saukeTeso iyo. Tbilisis<br />
meriis uZravi qonebis saagentos<br />
imJamindeli ufrosi, daviT<br />
Wedia, rogorc korumpirebuli,<br />
miCveuli iyo adgilebis mitacebas<br />
da gayidvas. jer sasamarTloSi<br />
miCivles da ar daelodnen gadawyvetilebas,<br />
ar Sematyobines, ise<br />
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2013 wlidan _ dRemde<br />
Caatares auqcioni da miwis nakve-<br />
Ti gayides. sasamarTlos damTavrebamde<br />
7 TviT adre gayides. yvelaze<br />
mniSvnelovani ki is aris, rom<br />
Tavisi ojaxis axlobel xaTuna<br />
goginaSvilze _ ganvadebiT. misi<br />
mama milioneria da mTeli qoneba<br />
aseTi gzebiT aqvs SeZenili. sajaro<br />
reestridan amoRebuli maqvs<br />
informacia, ver daiTvliT, imdeni<br />
qonebis patronia da me, erT adamians,<br />
romelsac amis meti araferi<br />
mqonia, esec wamarTves. xaTuna goginaSvils<br />
mivwere da yvelaferi<br />
gavugzavne, vuTxari, rom mag nakveTze<br />
aravis mivcemdi Semosvlis<br />
uflebas. Tavs daviwvav da ukanonod<br />
Sesvlis uflebas aravis mivcem.<br />
goginaSvils Cems werilze reaqcia<br />
ar hqonia, Tumca gaikiTxa, vinc<br />
viyavi. me 40 weli gldanSi baRis<br />
gamged vmuSaobdi, man gaigo, rom<br />
ukan damxevi ar viyavi, xmauri atydeboda<br />
da ver Semodioda. TaRli-<br />
Tia, xmauri ar awyobda. es teritoria<br />
ki ase tyuilad iyo, aravin<br />
sargeblobda. goginaSvilma ifiqra,<br />
mainc ver vsargeblobo da es<br />
miwis nakveTi 2017 wels 5 ucxoelze<br />
gayida. konkretulad, iranelebze.<br />
amis damadasturebeli<br />
dokumentic maqvs. maTi saxelebi<br />
da gvarebia: seif hiCam, simon tab-<br />
Carani, kazan farid, miSel saliba,<br />
seif Jan. aseve ubedureba is aris,<br />
rom am pirovnebebs sasoflo-samurneo<br />
miwebi SeZenili aqvT dasavleT<br />
saqarTveloSic, samtrediis<br />
raionis sofel did jixaiSSi, saidanac<br />
me var warmoSobiT. Zalian<br />
gavbrazdi, es rom gavige _ aq Cemi<br />
miwa wamarTves da jixaiSsac miswvdnen.<br />
goginaSvils ucxoelis<br />
mozidvaSi TaRliTi biznesmeni paata<br />
nucubiZe exmareboda. mas Semdeg,<br />
rac gavige, rom miwa iranelebma<br />
iyides, yvelas Sevatyobine,<br />
mTeli mosaxleoba midgas gverdiT,<br />
yvela Cem mxarezea, maT ician Cemi<br />
simarTle.<br />
_ gasagebia, rom mosaxleoba<br />
gverdiT gidgaT, magram konkret-<br />
ulad ras gegmavT?<br />
_ vinc xaTuna goginaSvils ucxoeli<br />
miuyvana, es aris paata nucubiZe,<br />
romelic Sps `bona, dea da<br />
kompanis~ mflobelia. mivwere, avuxseni<br />
mdgomareoba. vTxove, erTi<br />
bina moecaT, rom Cemi bina ipo-<br />
Tekidan gamomexsna. es ambavi pirvelad<br />
rom gaigo, dampirda, _ binas<br />
mogcem, oRond movilaparakoTo.<br />
rogorc Cans, mere gadaifiqra. man<br />
mSeneblobis nebarTva im teritoriaze<br />
aiRo, romelic wamarTves.<br />
koeficienti iyo 2 da 5, Tumca<br />
meriam 5 da 5 koeficienti misca.<br />
nucubiZem ver gabeda iranelebis<br />
Semoyvana, mainc xmauris SeeSinda.<br />
amitomac es teritoria `oman<br />
jgufze~ gayides. erTi sityviT, am<br />
miwiT vaWroben. qonebis marTvis<br />
saagentoSi ufrosTan werili gavagzavne,<br />
Sexvedra viTxove, Tumca<br />
axalgazrda gogo damxvda, romelic<br />
sakiTxSi ver erkveoda da sruliad<br />
araadekvatur kiTxvebs misvamda.<br />
me qonebis marTvis saagentos<br />
ufros irakli TavarTqilaZesTan<br />
viTxove Sexvedra, Tumca ar<br />
mRebulobs.<br />
_ realurad, `qarTuli ocnebis~<br />
xelisuflebaSi mosvlis Sem-<br />
deg araferi Secvlila...<br />
_ am xelisuflebis Zalian ukmayofilo<br />
var. finansur sagamoZieboSi,<br />
prokuraturaSi, yvelgan<br />
mivwere da gavagebine am usamarTlobis<br />
Sesaxeb, Tumca reagireba ar<br />
aqvT. SoTaZis periodSi prokuraturis<br />
gamomZiebeli zaza suxiSvili<br />
meubneboda, _ marTali xar, magram<br />
vis ebrZvi, icio? aseve maqvs<br />
saqarTvelos iuristTa asociaciis<br />
daskvna, romelic ana nacvliSvilma<br />
momca. man 2017 wels mTavar<br />
prokuror irakli SoTaZes miswera,<br />
rom am saqmeSi sisxlis samarTlis<br />
danaSaulis niSnebi iyo<br />
da gamoZieba Tavidan unda daewyoT.<br />
viTom daiwyes gamoZieba, meriaSi<br />
mividnen, Sesabamisi pirebi dakiTxes,<br />
magram darRvevebi ver aRmoaCines,<br />
radgan daviT Wediasgan<br />
didi Tanxa hqondaT aRebuli. sxva<br />
saqmeze daWerili Wedia ganTavisuflebuli<br />
hyavdaT da Cemi gulis-<br />
Tvis xom ar awyeninebdnen?! Cemi<br />
axlobeli, sakrebulos yofili<br />
deputati, zura nefariZe, romelic<br />
amJamad msjavrdebulia, maSin<br />
maTiaSvils daelaparaka da hkiTxa,<br />
_ gegeSiZes ratom gaukeTeT aseTi<br />
saqmeo? maTiaSvilma upasuxa, _<br />
gegeSiZis saqme gadavagoreT da Sen<br />
xma ar amoiRoo. amis Canaweric<br />
arsebobs. axla kaxa kalaZes mivwere,<br />
Tumca imasac reagireba ar<br />
hqonia. Cemi moTxovna aseTia: usafuZvlod<br />
Semiwyvites xelSekruleba<br />
ori wliT adre, axla mainc<br />
momcen muSaobis ufleba. ori<br />
wliT mainc damibrunon es teritoria.<br />
naxon, rom im teritoriaze<br />
araferi xdeba da quCis manqanebi<br />
dganan. aseve minda aRvniSno, rom<br />
yofil mer gigi ugulavas da Tbilisis<br />
imJamindeli meris moadgile<br />
irakli abesaZes, romlebic axla<br />
oratorulad gamodian da gvesaubrebiian,<br />
mivwere da Sexvedra vTxove.<br />
yvela sabuTi gavugzavne, sadac<br />
maT Cems saqmeSi xeli moaweres,<br />
Tumca dRemde reagireba ar aqvT.<br />
Cemi berketi Cemi simarTlea. xalxi<br />
midgas gverdiT da meubneba, rom<br />
meriaSic gamomyvebian, Tu saWiro<br />
iqna. xalxis Tanadgomis imedi<br />
maqvs. xelSekrulebis Sewyvetisas<br />
meuRles nerviulobis gamo insulti<br />
daemarTa, mdgomareoba<br />
gaurTulda da dRes Zalian mZimedaa.<br />
Cemi ojaxi dRes quCaSi dar-<br />
Cenis safrTxis winaSe dgas, radgan<br />
gamosaxleba gvelodeba. rogorc<br />
giTxariT, bina ipoTekaSi maqvs<br />
Cadebuli. gamosaxleba, jer kidev,<br />
2017 wlis 25 aprils iyo CaniSnuli,<br />
Tumca imis gamo ar ganxorcielda,<br />
rom Cemi meuRle paralizebulia,<br />
pirveli jgufis invalidia,<br />
mas erTi fexi amputirebuli<br />
aqvs, diagnozi: diabeturi gangrena.<br />
ramdenia da sad ixarjeba wlidan wlamde<br />
quTaisis meriis sarezervo fondis Tanxa?<br />
saqarTvelos sabiujeto kodeqsSi sarezervo<br />
Sorena laRaZe<br />
fondis ganmartebis Sesaxeb vkiTxulobT, rom sa-<br />
557 56 23 66<br />
rezervo fondebi adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis<br />
biujetSi gauTvaliswinebeli xarjebis dasa-<br />
finanseblad iqmneba. sarezervo fondidan Tanxas meris an gamgeblis gadaw-<br />
yvetilebis safuZvelze safinanso organo gamoyofs. gadawyvetileba moicavs<br />
informacias Tanxis raodenobisa da miznobriobis Sesaxeb.<br />
fondis moculoba wliuri biujetiT ga-<br />
Tvaliswinebuli asignebebis mTliani odenobis<br />
2%-s ar unda aRematebodes. meti simartivisTvis<br />
_ asigneba aris biujetidan<br />
gansazRvruli fuladi Tanxis gamoyofa damtkicebuli<br />
xarjebis gasawevad. yoveli kvartalisa<br />
da wlis bolos meri amzadebs biujetidan,<br />
maT Soris, sarezervo fondidan<br />
gaxarjuli Tanxis angariSs da warudgens<br />
sakrebulos.<br />
quTaisis biujetis sarezervo fondidan<br />
Tanxis gadaxarjvas adgilobrivi opoziciuri<br />
partiebi xSirad aprotestebdnen.<br />
Tanxa marTlac STambeWdavia. xarjebis<br />
Sesaxeb `qronika+~-ma sajaro informacia<br />
quTaisis meriidan gamoiTxova:<br />
2017 wels qalaqis sarezervo fondi 400<br />
aTas lars Seadgenda, magram fondidan gacilebiT<br />
meti _ 523 974 lari gamoiyo. gadaxarjvis<br />
gamo wlis meore naxevarSi aucilebeli<br />
gaxda fondSi Tanxis damateba.<br />
500 aTas lars Seadgenda sarezervo fondi<br />
gasul wels. wlis pirvel naxevarSi,<br />
aprilis bolomde, 192 741 lari daixarja,<br />
xolo wlis bolos xarjma 553 737 lari<br />
Seadgina.<br />
2019 wels quTaisis meriis sarezervo<br />
fondi isev 500 aTasi laria. mimdinare wlis<br />
16 aprilis monacemebiT fondidan sxvadasxva<br />
miznisTvis 208 543.98 laria daxarjuli<br />
rac gasul wels amave droisTvis daxarjul<br />
Tanxaze gacilebiT metia.<br />
2017 wlidan dRemde quTaisis meriis<br />
sarezervo fondidan fuli im programebisTvis<br />
ixarjeba, romlisTvisac Tanxa biujetis<br />
ZiriTad nawilSicaa gawerili. magaliTad,<br />
programa `korpusi~, romlisTvisac<br />
2017 wels 1 289 lari iyo gamoyofili, sarezervo<br />
fondidan damatebiT 500 lariT dafinansda.<br />
damatebiTi Tanxa sarezervo fondidan<br />
biujetis mier 205 aTasi lariT dafinansebuli<br />
sportuli da kulturuli RonisZiebebisTvisac<br />
gamoiyo. garda amisa, sarezervo<br />
fondidan finansdebodnen da finansdebian<br />
gansakuTrebuli saWiroebis mqone<br />
pirebi maSin, roca socialuri programebisTvis<br />
qalaqis merias yvelaze didi Tanxa<br />
aqvs gamoyofili. aseve 2017 wels fondidan<br />
885 lari gaica saritualo (dakrZalvis)<br />
xarjebisTvis.<br />
quTaisis meriaSi ver asaxeleben, konkretulad<br />
visze gaica Tanxa meris sarezervo<br />
fondidan. mizezi erTia _ personaluri monacemebis<br />
gacemis ufleba ar aqvT. swored<br />
amitom opoziciuri partiebi qalaqis mers<br />
xSirad akritikebdnen. quTaisis sakrebulos<br />
fraqcia `evropuli saqarTvelos~ deputati<br />
merab meSveliani ambobs, rom, Tavis<br />
droze, sajaro informaciis gamoTxovisas,<br />
ar miawodes cnoba imis Sesaxeb, Tu konkretulad<br />
visze daixarja sarezervo fondis<br />
Tanxa. mizezad masac personaluri monacemebis<br />
dacvis aucilebloba dausaxeles.<br />
ra SemTxvevaSi unda daixarjos Tanxa<br />
sarezervo fondidan?<br />
sarezervo fondidan Tanxa mizanmimarTulad<br />
rom daixarjos, amisTvis sabiujeto<br />
kodeqsSi calsaxad unda iyos gawerili,<br />
Tu ra SemTxvevaSi unda gamoiyos Tanxa.<br />
qarTul realobaSi kanoni msgavs rekomendacias<br />
ar gvaZlevs.<br />
`evropuli saxelmwifoebis kanonmdeblobaSi,<br />
romelic sarezervo fondebis<br />
xarjvas aregulirebs, xazgasmiT weria, rom<br />
fuli fondidan unda daixarjos im SemTxvevaSi,<br />
rodesac zarali saxelmwifo qonebas<br />
adgeba. aseve wyaldidobebis, miwisZvrebisa<br />
da sxva bunebrivi kataklizmebis dros adamianTa<br />
dasaxmareblad~, _ ase afaseben sarezervo<br />
fondebis xarjvas informaciis Tavisuflebis<br />
ganviTarebis institutis (IDFI)<br />
mkvlevrebi. organizaciam ramdenime wlis<br />
win sarezervo fondebis gadaxarjvis Sesaxeb<br />
kvlevac gamoaqveyna. sarezervo fondebis<br />
Tanxis gadaxarjvaze kvlevas organizacia<br />
`saerTaSoriso gamWvirvaloba saqarTveloc~<br />
awarmoebda. arasamTavrobo organizacia<br />
2016 wels gamoqveynebul kvlevaSi werda,<br />
rom sarezervo Tanxis daxarjvis Ziri-<br />
Tadi mizezi arasaTanadod dagegmili biujetia.<br />
kidev erTi problema fondis gaum-<br />
Wvirvalobaa _ Tanxis daxarjva, ZiriTadad,<br />
wlis pirvel naxevarSi xdeba, meore naxevar-<br />
Si ki Tavidan ivseba.<br />
rogoria arasamTavrobo organizaciebis<br />
rekomendacia sarezervo fondebis<br />
xarjvasTan dakavSirebiT?<br />
`saerTaSoriso gamWvirvaloba saqarTvelosa~<br />
da `saqarTvelos reformebis asociaciis~<br />
analitikosebi miiCneven, rom umjobesia,<br />
Tuki sarezervo fondis Tanxa gadaudebel<br />
saWiroebas moxmardeba da ara<br />
biujetSi ukve arsebuli programebisTvis<br />
finansebis damatebas. saukeTeso SemTxveva-<br />
Si kargia, Tuki sarezervo fondidan gamoyofili<br />
Tanxa wlidan wlamde ar daixarjeba.<br />
amis garanti ki, mxolod da mxolod,<br />
kargad dagegmili biujetia. Tu safinanso<br />
dokumentSi Tanxa racionaluradaa gadanawilebuli,<br />
maSin ukve arsebul programebs<br />
sarezervo fondidan Tanxis damateba ar<br />
unda dasWirdeT.<br />
sarezervo fondebidan Tanxis xarjvis<br />
saukeTeso magaliTs slovakeTis, estoneTisa<br />
da ungreTis kanonmdebloba gvaZlevs. am<br />
qveynebSi sarezervo saxsrebi, ZiriTadad,<br />
forsmaJorul situaciebTan dakavSirebuli<br />
xarjebis dasafinanseblad gamoiyeneba.<br />
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Sorena laRaZe<br />
557 56 23 66<br />
2012 wlis pirveli oqtombris<br />
saparlamento arCevnebisa da axali konstituciis amoqmedebis<br />
Semdeg saqarTvelos parlamentis aparati Tbilisidan quTaisSi<br />
agebul SenobaSi gadavida. `nacionaluri moZraobis~ xelisufleb-<br />
is ideam, parlamentis quTaisSi gadataniT xelisuflebis Stoeb-<br />
is decentralizacia momxdariyo, 2018 wlis bolomde iarseba.<br />
quTaisSi parlamentis Senobis<br />
asagebad e. w. avtoqarxnis dasaxlebaSi<br />
jer adgili gaasufTaves,<br />
Semdeg ki faSizmze gamarjvebis<br />
46-metriani memoriali aafeTqes.<br />
memorialis avtori arqiteqtori<br />
oTar kalandariSvili gaxldaT.<br />
TaRze ganTavsebuli iyo moqandake<br />
merab berZeniSvilis monumenturi<br />
pano. memorialis afeTqeba<br />
tragediiT dasrulda _ qvis namsxvrevebi<br />
adgilobriv mosaxleebs,<br />
dedasa da mis 11 wlis Svils moxvda.<br />
daSavebulebma mZime dazianeba<br />
miiRes da gardaicvalnen. miuxedavad<br />
am ambis garSemo atexili<br />
xmaurisa, quTaisSi parlamenti<br />
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metrze ganTavsebuli, SuSis konstruqciaSi<br />
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Semdeg daiwyo. quTaisSi merve<br />
mowvevis parlamentma pirveli<br />
sxdoma amave wlis 21 oqtombers<br />
gamarTa. am dRidanve daiwyo debatebi<br />
da msjeloba imis Sesaxeb,<br />
rom sakanonmdeblo organos<br />
muSaoba isev dedaqalaqSi unda<br />
gaegrZelebina.<br />
ra daujda qveyanas quTaisSi<br />
parlamentis Senobis ageba?<br />
`informaciis Tavisuflebis<br />
ganviTarebis institutis~ (IDFI)<br />
gaTvliT, saxelmwifos quTaisSi<br />
parlamentis Senobis ageba, daaxloebiT,<br />
326 milioni lari daujda.<br />
144 milioni lari pirdapir<br />
saxelmwifo biujetidan daixarja,<br />
181 milioni lari ki saxelmwifo<br />
qonebis gayidviT mogrovda.<br />
mTlianobaSi, parlamentisa<br />
da mTavrobis saxlis Senobebis<br />
agebisTvis 347 194 772 lari gadairicxa.<br />
ra jdeboda 150<br />
parlamentaris quTaisSi<br />
cxovreba da siaruli?<br />
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weliwadSi 2.5 milion lars xarjavda.<br />
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organos adgilsamyofeli<br />
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ra moxda axali reglamentis<br />
ganxilvis dros?<br />
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reglamenti sami mosmenis<br />
Semdeg, 2018 wlis 6 dekembers<br />
amoqmedda. axali redaqciiT<br />
umaRlesi sakanonmdeblo organos<br />
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ganisazRvra _ rusTavelis gamziri<br />
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an sesiis gamarTvis mizniT<br />
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meoreze 83-ma, xolo saboloo<br />
mosmenisas 77-ma deputatma misca<br />
xma. axal reglaments pirveli<br />
mosmenisas _ 1, meore jerze<br />
_ 3, xolo mesame mosmenis dros<br />
2 mowinaaRmdege hyavda.<br />
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axali reglamentis ganxilvas qu-<br />
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romelma<br />
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qalaqidan<br />
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mosmenisas ar eswreboda, meore da mesame<br />
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genadi margvelaSvilma. rac Seexeba koba<br />
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xma ar misca, xolo mesame mosmenis dros axal<br />
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wlebis manZilze quTaiseli<br />
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interviuSi<br />
acxadebda, rom 99.9%-iT parlamenti<br />
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deputati `qronika+~-Tan<br />
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vnaxoT, Tu romelma deputatma<br />
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mosmenisas ar eswreboda, meore<br />
da mesame mosmenebze ki deputatma<br />
kanons xma ar misca, Tumca arc<br />
winaaRmdegi yofila. arc erT<br />
mosmenaze ar dauWira mxari axal<br />
reglaments genadi margvelaSvilma.<br />
rac Seexeba koba narCemaSvils<br />
_ igi ar eswreboda pirvel<br />
mosmenas. meore mosmenisas deputatma<br />
kanons xma ar misca,<br />
xolo mesame mosmenis dros axal<br />
reglaments mxari dauWira.<br />
quTaiseli deputatebis, maT<br />
Soris, koba narCemaSvilis dapireba<br />
imis Sesaxeb, rom parlamenti<br />
quTaisSi darCeboda, dapirebadve<br />
darCa.<br />
`qronika+~-ma kviris manZilze<br />
ramdenjerme scada TemasTan<br />
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sanam umaRlesi sakanonmdeblo<br />
organos sxdomebi Tbilisis<br />
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rigiTi moqalaqeebi<br />
da adgilobrivi Jurnalistebi<br />
miiCneven, rom parlamentis<br />
TbilisSi dabrunebiT quTaisma<br />
ganviTarebis Sansi dakarga.<br />
am etapze arsebuli informaciiT,<br />
quTaisSi mdebare parlamentis<br />
Senoba Sinagan saqmeTa<br />
saministros gadaecema. SenobaSi<br />
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parlamentis adgilsamyofeli<br />
Tbilisi da quTaisi iyo.<br />
2014 wels garemontda TbilisSi,<br />
rusTavelis 8 nomerSi mdebare<br />
parlamentis sxdomaTa da sakomiteto<br />
mosmenebis darbazi. im<br />
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inauguraciis Semdeg amoqmedda,<br />
parlamentis adgilsam-<br />
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21 wlis biWis (n.f.) dakavebas. mas<br />
bralad wauyenes sxvisi qonebis dazianeba da meuRlis mimarT<br />
fsiqologiuri tanjva, ris gamoc 3 weli miusajes. ojaxuri<br />
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braldebulis mxridan sxva qalTan mimowera gaxda.<br />
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3 weli, rac, ra Tqma unda, gavasa-<br />
Civre, magram 8 Tvea, prokuraturidan<br />
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_ cixeSi, cixidan _ advokatTan davrbivar<br />
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romelic meuRlesTan oficialurad<br />
qorwinebaSi ar imyofeboda,<br />
ubralod, ori saerTo Svili<br />
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da rogor iTvleboda ojaxis<br />
wevrad? es kiTxva davusvi qalaqis<br />
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iTvleboda. yvelas mivwere, maT<br />
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yuradReba aravin momaqcia.<br />
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ar SeuSves, ganerviulebulma<br />
sigareti moisrola, romelic<br />
`colis~ manqanaSi Cavarda. manqana<br />
`sidedrze~ iyo gaformebuli. am<br />
mizeziT saqme aRiZra, rogorc qonebis<br />
dazianebiT ojaxis wevrze Zaladoba.<br />
saqmeSi Cawerilia, rom bo-<br />
TliT benzini Seitana da manqanas<br />
moasxao. boTliT rom moesxa, manqana<br />
mTlianad daiwveboda. benzinis<br />
boTli afeTqda, magram ar aaldao.<br />
aqve aRvniSnav, rom manqana<br />
dazianebis Semdeg prokuraturaSi<br />
iyo gadayvanili, Tumca gamoZiebis<br />
dasrulebamde prokurorma daviT<br />
silagaZem Tavis mflobels gadasca.<br />
roca policiaSi mivedi,<br />
vuTxari, _ iqneb, biologiuri analizis<br />
aRebas vapirebdi, ratom<br />
gadaeciT mflobels gamoZiebis<br />
dasrulebamde manqana-meTqi? _<br />
Cven ra SuaSi varT, prokurorma<br />
darTo nebao.<br />
Cems Svils aseve edavebian colis<br />
mimarT fsiqologiur tanjvas.<br />
TiTqos, fexmZimobisas misi `qmari~<br />
sxvas swerda da es gogo itanjebodao.<br />
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devs, sadac weria, rom am SemTxvevas<br />
SesaZloa, fsiqologiuri tanjva<br />
gamoewvia, anu pirdapir verc<br />
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Cems Svils brali mainc wauyenes.<br />
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Svilis gamo es gogo fsiqologiurad<br />
itanjeboda da am fsiqologiur<br />
tanjvaSi ori Svili saidan<br />
gaCnda, es ver gavige?! rac Seexeba<br />
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rom `colis~ saxlSi bavSvebis sanaxavad<br />
mivida, am dros kibeebze misi<br />
`simamri~ Camodioda, romelmac uTxra,<br />
_ Sens Svilebs ver naxav, wadi<br />
da kanoniT mebrZoleo. anu alimentze<br />
SevitanT, xolo Tu manamde<br />
geCqareba, `dedaSenTan SegiZlia<br />
gaaCino da moefereo~. am dros,<br />
rogorc Cemi Svili yveba, `colis~<br />
bebiam xeli gaartya, magram arc ki<br />
ucdia, am Zaladobaze epasuxa. amas<br />
TviTonac aRiareben. amis Semdeg<br />
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namwvi da savarZeli daiwvao.<br />
mets arafers ambobs. Cems Svils<br />
zedmeti araferi ukadrebia, mas<br />
aqeT ayenebdnen Seuracxyofas.<br />
dRes Cemi Svili usamarTlod<br />
zis cixeSi da mas Zalian enatreba<br />
Svilebi. is erTaderTi kacia, romelic<br />
Svilebis naxvisTvis cixeSi 3<br />
wliT Casves~.<br />
`qronika+~-s<br />
braldebulis<br />
deda daukavSirda, romlis TqmiT-<br />
ac, amjerad, mis Svils sakuTari<br />
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en, ris gamoc axalgazrda biWi<br />
mZime fsiqologiur mdgomareoba-<br />
Sia, man cixidan werilic gamoag-<br />
zavna.<br />
am TemebTan dakavSirebiT<br />
`qronika+~ braldebulis dedas,<br />
ekaterine ZagniZes esaubra:<br />
_ rogorc ukve giTxariT, Cems<br />
Svils 3 weli hqonda misjili. swored<br />
`qronika+~-Si gasuli statiis<br />
Semdeg Catarda saapelacio sasamarTlo,<br />
Cems Svils sasjeli gaunaxevrda.<br />
didi madloba `qronika+~s,<br />
radgan TqvenTan gamoqveynebul<br />
statias Zalian didi mniSvneloba<br />
hqonda. Cven am gadawyvetilebas davemorCileT,<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom<br />
Cemi Svili usamarTlod zis cixe-<br />
Si, rac ar dauSavebia da mas provokacia<br />
mouwyves misma mamidam da simamrma.<br />
kidev erTxel xazgasmiT minda<br />
aRvniSno, rom simamris gavlena<br />
imdenad didi iyo, Semoviare Tbilisi,<br />
quTaisi, prokuratura, sasamarTlo,<br />
magram verafers gavxdi.<br />
_ axla ra xdeba, ra problemis<br />
winaSe dadeqiT?<br />
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Svilebis naxva surs, mas amis ufleba<br />
aqvs. bavSvi ramdenjerme saavadmyofoSi<br />
iwva, Cven am ambavs sxvebisgan<br />
vgebulobT da saSualebas ar<br />
gvaZleven, me _ SviliSvils, Cemi<br />
Svili ki sakuTar Svils ekontaqtos,<br />
rasac Zalian ganicdis. jer<br />
erTi, cixeSi udanaSaulod zis da<br />
amis gamo fsiqologiurad rTul<br />
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iTxovs icodes, rogor arian<br />
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rom Cemi Svili cixeSi gamoketa, axla<br />
uaresad sjis da yvelanair kontaqts<br />
ukrZalavs Tavis col-Svil-<br />
Tan. bavSvebi mamis gvarze arian,<br />
alimenti dakisrebuli aqvs, rogorc<br />
mamas (am etapze, radgan patimaria,<br />
ar ixdis) da naxvis saSualebas<br />
ar aZleven. aris Tu ara es patimris<br />
uflebis darRveva?<br />
_ Tqvens Svils arc erTxel ar<br />
unaxavs Tavisi Svilebi?<br />
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emigranti deda<br />
sakuTari Svilis<br />
uflebis dasacavad<br />
uTanasworo<br />
brZolaSia<br />
_ saqarTveloSi Cemi yofnis periodSi,<br />
gasuli wlis ivlisSi, Cemi<br />
rZali bavSvebTan erTad iyo misuli<br />
Cems SvilTan cixeSi, magram<br />
rZals, rogorc yovelTvis xdeba<br />
xolme, Cem Sesaxeb dauwyia sakmaod<br />
cudi saubari utaqtod, rasac,<br />
bunebrivia, Cemi Svilis ukmayofileba<br />
mohyolia da kamaTi dauwyiaT.<br />
paemnisTvis gankuTvnili erTi<br />
saaTi iyo, Tumca Cemi rZali manamde<br />
wamosula. rogorc aRmoCnda,<br />
Cemi rZali ara qmris sanaxavad,<br />
aramed angariSsworebisTvis mivida<br />
da maqsimalurad ecada Cem dadanaSaulebas<br />
sruliad usafuZvlod.<br />
es iyo erTaderTi SemTxveva,<br />
roca Cemma Svilma Tavisi Svilebi<br />
naxa, mas Semdeg arc mobilurze<br />
laparakis ufleba misces. metic:<br />
roca vurekavdiT, zarebze ar gvpasuxobdnen.<br />
warmogidgeniaT, simamri<br />
muqaris eniT laparakobs da<br />
xmebi momdis, rom rogorc ki gamova,<br />
egreve Sevabrunebo. gairkva,<br />
rom sidedri cdilobs, bavSvebi<br />
misi qmris gvarze gadaiyvanos da<br />
am procesSi TavianTi advokati<br />
hyavdaT CarTuli. Tumca advokats<br />
auxsnia, rom ase martivad es<br />
procedura ver moxerxdeboda.<br />
bavSvebi Cemi Svilis gvarze arian,<br />
alimentsac ixdis, mamoba ar CamourTmeviaT<br />
da, Sesabamisad, ufleba<br />
ar aqvT, TavianT gvarze gadaiyvanon.<br />
Tumca yvela xerxiT ibrZvian<br />
Cemi Svilis winaaRmdeg. rogorc<br />
ki cixidan gamova, egreve ecdebian,<br />
iseTive provokacia mouwyon,<br />
rogorc ukve mouwyves. sanam italiaSi<br />
wamovidodi, Cemi Svili movinaxule,<br />
yvelanairad vecade, damemSvidebina<br />
da gamemxnevebina. vuTxari,<br />
rom momavalSi aucileblad<br />
gaigebdnen bavSvebi simarTles da<br />
mis poziciaze dadgebodnen, Tumca<br />
axla emigraciaSi, roca Cemi Svilisgan<br />
aTasobiT kilometri ma-<br />
Sorebs, iseTi werili miviRe, ramac<br />
fsiqologiurad mZime mdgomareobaSi<br />
Camagdo.<br />
_ ra weria werilSi?<br />
_ jer minda aRvniSno, rom Cems<br />
Svils veRar vcnob. rogorc Cans,<br />
masze Zalian imoqmeda stresma da<br />
usamarTlobam. yvelaze metad ki,<br />
darwmunebuli var, is uWirs, rom<br />
Svilebis naxvis saSualebas ar aZleven.<br />
erTi Svili Tavisi gazrdilia,<br />
meore ki cixeSi mxolod er-<br />
Txel naxa, fanatikurad uyvars da<br />
maT gareSe misTvis yoveli dRe<br />
jojoxeTia. warmodgenac ki ar minda,<br />
Tu risi gadatana uwevs Cems<br />
Svils. ratom imeteben amxela tkivilisTvis,<br />
ver vxvdebi. Cemi Svili<br />
bavSvebis naxvas iTxovs, es aris misi<br />
mTavari safiqrali da sadardebeli.<br />
ar akmares oTx kedelSi usamarTlod<br />
gamomwyvdeva, axla ukve<br />
axali sasjeli moufiqres da sakuTar<br />
Svilebs ar anaxveben.<br />
_ samarTlebrivad rogor ecadeT<br />
Tqveni Svilis uflebis dac-<br />
vas?<br />
_ ukve mesame advokati aviyvaneT.<br />
Svili cixeSi myavs da bunebrivia,<br />
es yvelaferi finansebs moiTxovs,<br />
amitomac momiwia emigraciaSi<br />
wamosvla. saqarTveloSi yofnis periodSi<br />
samarTlebrivad verafers<br />
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simamri ekonomiurad Cemze gacilebiT<br />
Zlieria. es rasac niSnavs<br />
saqarTveloSi, kargad mogexsenebaT.<br />
miT umetes, aseT saqmeebSi fuli<br />
da gavlenebi gadamwyvetia. erTi<br />
emigranti qali var, 15 welia, emigraciaSi<br />
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me ar gamaCnia. saqarTveloSi<br />
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mSvenieraZes. miTxres, dagikav-<br />
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`evropuli saqarTvelos~ gaerTianeba<br />
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vels?<br />
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piriqiT, unda gavecnoT programas,<br />
vin ras gvTavazobs da amis mixedviT<br />
gadavwyvitoT, vis unda mivceT<br />
Cveni xma, radgan, realurad, xelisuflebas<br />
Cven vqiraobT. maTi<br />
pirdapiri movaleobaa, xalxisgan<br />
wamosul dakveTaze adekvaturi pasuxi<br />
hqondeT da problemis gada-<br />
Wris saukeTeso gegma SesTavazon.<br />
_ rogorc wesi, qarTul real-<br />
obaSi arCevnebis win aravin aqcevs<br />
yuradRebas saarCevno programas,<br />
radgan ZiriTadad piradi dapir-<br />
ispirebebiT arian dakavebulebi<br />
da mosaxleobac amiT `erToba~, ra<br />
roli aqvs amomrCevels am pro-<br />
cesSi?<br />
_ Cvenma sazogadoebam imuniteti<br />
unda gamoimuSavos, unda mixvdes,<br />
rom viRacis jibrze arCevanis<br />
gakeTeba mas kargs arafers<br />
moutans. unda gaviazroT, rom msgavsi<br />
midgomiT arCevanis gakeTeba<br />
isev Cvenze, maT Soris, Tqvenze da<br />
Ti pirobebis Seqmna, rom adamianma<br />
sakuTari Tavis realizeba SeZlos<br />
da imis SiSi ar hqondes, rom universitetis<br />
damTavrebis Semdeg ganaTlebisa<br />
da kvalifikaciis Sesabamisi<br />
samsaxuri ver iSovos. amitomac<br />
axalgazrdebi gadawyvetilebas<br />
iReben, rom qveynidan wavidnen.<br />
Cemi azriT, aucilebelia, axalgiorgi<br />
qitiaSvili:<br />
`marTlac paradoqsia,<br />
ivaniSvili murusiZes<br />
gmirad miiCnevs, damnaSaved<br />
_ Salva SavguliZes~<br />
Cemzec, nebismieri Cvenganis cxovrebaze<br />
uaryofiTad imoqmedebs.<br />
am kuTxiT axalgazrdebSi mdgomareoba<br />
SedarebiT ukeTesadaa.<br />
rogorc vici, Cem irgvlivac yvela<br />
aqcevs yuradRebas saarCevno<br />
programas, romeli partia ras<br />
sTavazobs maT, ra ideologiisaa<br />
da swored amis mixedviT irCeven,<br />
vis sasargeblod gaakeTon arCevani<br />
da vis miscen TavianTi kuTvnili<br />
saarCevno xma. rac Seexeba, winasaarCevno<br />
periodSi erTmaneTze warsulis<br />
wamoZaxebas, rac iyo, Tundac,<br />
2016 wels saparlamento arCevnebze,<br />
rac iyo aseve saprezidento<br />
arCevnebis drosac, vfiqrob,<br />
nel-nela esec warsulSi gadava da<br />
msgavs meTodebs amomrCevelze ise-<br />
Ti efeqti da gavlena aRar eqneba.<br />
_ rogor fiqrobT, ra aris<br />
dRes axalgazrdebis mTavari<br />
problema?<br />
_ axalgazrdebis mTavari problema<br />
uperspeqtivobis gancdaa. maT<br />
aqvT SegrZneba, rom saqarTveloSi<br />
warmatebis miRweva rTulia. amaSi<br />
ki, didwilad, damnaSave xelisuflebaa,<br />
_ swored mas evaleba ise-<br />
`Cvenma sazogadoebam imuniteti unda<br />
gamoimuSavos, unda mixvdes, rom viRacis<br />
jibrze arCevanis gakeTeba mas kargs arafers<br />
moutans. unda gaviazroT, rom msgavsi<br />
midgomiT arCevanis gakeTeba isev Cvenze, maT<br />
Soris, Tqvenze da Cemzec, nebismieri Cvenganis<br />
cxovrebaze uaryofiTad imoqmedebs~<br />
`axalgazrdebis mTavari<br />
problema uperspeqtivobis<br />
gancdaa. maT aqvT SegrZneba,<br />
rom saqarTveloSi<br />
warmatebis miRweva rTulia.<br />
amaSi ki, didwilad,<br />
damnaSave xelisuflebaa, -<br />
swored mas evaleba iseTi<br />
pirobebis Seqmna, rom<br />
adamianma sakuTari Tavis<br />
realizeba SeZlos da imis<br />
SiSi ar hqondes, rom<br />
universitetis damTavrebis<br />
Semdeg ganaTlebisa da<br />
kvalifikaciis Sesabamisi<br />
samsaxuri ver iSovos~<br />
gazrdebs meti Sansi mieceT. im adamianebs,<br />
visac qveyanaSi darCena da<br />
Tundac biznesis wamowyeba surT,<br />
sastarto pirobebi unda SevuqmnaT.<br />
_ uperspeqtiobasTan erTad<br />
axalgazrdebs nihilizmis gancdac<br />
aqvT, rac aSkarad gamoixate-<br />
ba Tundac arCevnebTan mimarTeb-<br />
iT. ra unda SesTavazoT axalgaz-<br />
rdebs imisTvis, rom maT arCevn-<br />
ebze mosvlis survili gauCndeT?<br />
_ nihilizmi ara mxolod saqar-<br />
TveloSi, aramed yvelganaa. vfiqrob,<br />
rom es gancda yovelTvis da<br />
yvela TaobaSi iyo. politikurma<br />
partiebma iseTi raRac unda SevTavazoT<br />
amomrCevlebs, maT Soris,<br />
axalgazrdebsac, rom maT arCevnebze<br />
mosvla da TavianTi xmis micema<br />
moundeT. am SemTxvevaSi veravisken<br />
xels ver gaviSverT, es Cveni<br />
politikuri partiebis gasake-<br />
Tebelia. organizaciebSi axalgazrdebs<br />
Sansi unda mivceT, rom<br />
TavianTi Tavi warmoaCinon, aseve<br />
unda gaviTvaliswinoT maTi mosazrebebi<br />
da survilebi. dRes Cveni<br />
axalgazrdebis winaSe mTavari<br />
gamowveva uperspeqtivobis gancda<br />
da mZime socialuri fonia.<br />
_ axalgazrdul protests<br />
Zalian didi Zala aqvs, Tumca<br />
naklebad aprotesteben Tundac<br />
dasaqmebis, ganaTlebis problemas.<br />
meTanxmebi Tu ara, rom axal-<br />
gazrdebi ar dganan iq, sadac unda<br />
idgnen?<br />
_ ar veTanxmebi imas, rom axalgazrdebi<br />
mxolod marixuanis dekriminalizacias<br />
moiTxoven, radgan<br />
zustad is adamianebi, romlebic<br />
marixuanis dekriminalizacias<br />
moiTxovdnen, idgnen da ruse-<br />
Tis okupacias aprotestebdnen.<br />
Tavad var samoqalaqo aqtivizmis<br />
moxalise gaerTianeba `ruseTi okupantias~<br />
aqtiuri wevri da im aqciazec<br />
videqi, sadac vaprotestebdiT,<br />
rom adamiani marixuanis mowevis<br />
gamo ar unda daeWiraT. Tu axalgazrdebi<br />
gamodian da raimes<br />
aprotesteben, e. i. maT es realurad<br />
awuxebT kidec. amaze saxelmwifo<br />
unda dafiqrdes da, Sesabamisad,<br />
gamosavalic unda monaxos.<br />
zogadad, vfiqrob, rom Zalian magari<br />
axali Taoba gvyavs.<br />
_ rogor xedavT axali saxeebis<br />
Semosvlis process politika-<br />
Si da ramdenad mniSvnelovania es,<br />
zogadad, qveynis ganviTarebi-<br />
sTvis?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, es procesi qveynisTvis<br />
Zalian mniSvnelovania. Zveli<br />
saxeebi midian da isini axalma<br />
saxeebma unda Caanacvlon. mTavaria,<br />
axalgazrdebma moindomon da<br />
yvelaferi gaakeTon, rom politikur<br />
procesebSi CaerTon. Cems<br />
magaliTze SemiZlia giTxraT, rom<br />
mec, Tavdapirvelad, moxalised<br />
daviwye, _ `Tavisufal demokratebSi~<br />
yofna mindoda da dRemde<br />
aq var. politikur partiebs rac<br />
Seexeba, maqsimalurad gaxsnilebi<br />
unda iyvnen, raTa Sansi miscen axalgazrdebs<br />
da endon maT.<br />
_ ra perspeqtiva aqvs Suale-<br />
dur arCevnebze `Tavisufali<br />
demokratebisa~ da `evropuli<br />
saqarTvelos~ maJoritar kandi-<br />
dat Salva SavguliZes?<br />
_ Salva SavguliZe aris Rirseuli<br />
adamiani. masze cuds veravin<br />
ityvis. is Zalian principuli pirovnebaa,<br />
rac yvelaze mniSvnelovania.<br />
Salva SavguliZe yovelTvis im<br />
adgilas idga, sadac yofna sworad<br />
miaCnda da sadac yofna samarTliani<br />
iyo. mTawmindis mosaxleoba,<br />
vinc Salvas dauWers mxars, vfiqrob,<br />
ar inanebs, radgan mas parlamentSi<br />
Rirseuli warmomadgeneli<br />
eyoleba, iseTi warmomadgeneli,<br />
romelsac imedi aravisTvis gaucruebia.<br />
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zRapris Teatralur enasa Tu scenaze gacocxleba reJi-<br />
sorisTvis ara mxolod rTuli, aramed cota saSaro ambavia:<br />
marjvniv da cudad gakvaluli bilikiT wava, SeiZleba trial<br />
mindorze aRmoCndes da vinZlo, orientirebic dakargos;<br />
radikalurad marcxniv gadauxvevs _ formebis uRranSi gada-<br />
iCexos; pirdapir wava da tradicias SeeCexos, romelmac Sesa-<br />
Zloa umtkivneulo, magram mainc sagrZnobi sila gaawnas!<br />
amdenad, gamarTul da scenur<br />
kondiciamde zRapris miyvanas jer<br />
kargad moTelva da Seswavla sWirdeba,<br />
Semdeg koncefciis mofiqreba<br />
da bolos, rac SeiZleba zusti<br />
da, amave dros, ubralo Tu gasagebi<br />
reJisoruli xerxebis moZebna.<br />
vidre aprilSi reJisori revaz SatakiSvili<br />
WiaTuris dramatul<br />
TeatrSi bavSvebisTvis (da cxadia,<br />
ara marto maTTvis) scenur zRapar-premiera<br />
`sizmaras~ gamoadnobda,<br />
manamde gasul wels imere-<br />
Tis kidev erT qalaqSi, zestafon-<br />
Si, sagrZnoblad gaivarjiSa: sergei<br />
kozlovis zRaprebis sakmaod<br />
zusti da ironiuli qarTuli adaptacia<br />
moaxerxa speqtaklSi `Talikos<br />
burvaki~.<br />
speqtakli `sizmara~, faqtobrivad,<br />
qarTul zRaparTa gudaSi mo-<br />
Zebnil-moqeqili, magram axali ambavia<br />
_ originaluri piesa, romelic<br />
sagangebod WiaTuris akaki wereTlis<br />
saxelobis TeatrisTvis Tavad<br />
reJisorma SeTxza da dadga.<br />
amavdroulad, masve ekuTvnis speqtaklis<br />
scenografiac, kostiumebic<br />
da musikaluri gaformebac.<br />
speqtaklis cocxali, msubuqi da<br />
qarTul motivebze agebuli qoreografiuli<br />
scenebi ki dadu<br />
amiranaSvilma dadga.<br />
erTsaaTian, mxiarul da naklebad<br />
didaqtikuri formis warmodgenas<br />
bevrad meti aqvs saerTo<br />
qarTuli zRapris tradiaciasTan,<br />
vidre ybadaRebul multiplikaciur<br />
film `sizmarasTan~. Tumca<br />
isic unda iTqvas, rom mTavari gmiri<br />
_ sizmara, odnav mxiarul Tu<br />
ironiul konteqstSi am multfilmsac<br />
axsenebs.<br />
reJisor-dramaturgi revaz SatakaSvili<br />
amjobinebs, folklorisa<br />
da zRapris arqetipebs daeyrdnos,<br />
Tumca axleburi da originaluri<br />
SinaarsiT Seavsos ambavi.<br />
mTavari gmiri _ sizmara, romlis<br />
rolsac mkvircxli artistulobiT<br />
gamorCeuli kote kaxiSvili asrulebs,<br />
cdilobs, sakuTari Tavi<br />
zRapris personaJebTan gaaigivos,<br />
magaliTad, obol biWTan, romelic<br />
`wiqaraSia~ gamoyvanili. es paraleli<br />
dedinacvalTan scenaSi (am<br />
rols maka cucqiriZe asrulebs)<br />
aSkarad parodirebulia da Tanac<br />
ZarRvian qarTlur konteqstSi,<br />
rac kedev ufro ironiul da mxiarul<br />
Sinaarss sZens Txrobas.<br />
zRapris namdvili transformacia<br />
scenaze maSin iwyeba, roca oboli<br />
biWi sizmaras sizmars xedavs<br />
(aqeT mze, iqiT mTvare, Suqur-varskvlavi<br />
xel-pirs abaninebs) da dedinacvali<br />
saxlidan agdebs da is<br />
sizmarad iqceva. zRaparSi mogzaurobiT<br />
ki, ase vTqvaT, `qarTuli<br />
fentezis~ Janri cocxldeba, sadac<br />
mTavar rolebSi sizmara da mwvadika<br />
xinkalauri gvevlnebian. diax,<br />
Sinidan gamogdebuli sizmara duqanSi<br />
erT ucnaur megobars iZens<br />
_ melas, romelsac mwvadika xinkalauri<br />
hqvia da romlis saxelic<br />
aSkarad vaJa-fSavelas nawarmoebebisken<br />
gvibiZgebs (mela-gela modebaZis<br />
aqtioruli xalisi, plastika<br />
da energia sagrZobia mTeli<br />
speqtaklis ganmavlobaSi). broweulis<br />
yvavilisfer Coxasa da `aziackebSi~<br />
gamowyobili, fafaxiani<br />
mela meduqne Tafla-giosTan daiareba<br />
(guram bregvaZe) da mwvadsa<br />
da xinkals geaxlebaT.<br />
unda aRiniSnos, rom reJisorma<br />
uari Tqva qarTul TeatrSi damkvidrebul<br />
tradiciaze da uricxvi,<br />
gaiZvera da uaryofiTi qalimelakudebis<br />
nacvlad scenaze yo-<br />
CaRi da megobruli kaci-mela<br />
Semoiyvana, romelic gacilebiT<br />
ufro erTgulia sizmarasi, vidre<br />
Tavad adamianebi.<br />
swored melasTan erTad gaudgeba<br />
gzas sizmara _ sizmris asaxdenad.<br />
isini Zveli didebiT Semosil<br />
samefoSi aRmoCndebian, Tumca es<br />
samefoc Tavisi galavniT, cixedarbaziTa<br />
Tu taxtiT aseve parodirebulia.<br />
cxadia, am samefoSi arc `vaivaia~<br />
(anu vaifai mwvadika xinkalauris<br />
enaze), arc `aifofia~ (anu aifoni<br />
mwvadika xinkalauris enaze) da<br />
aRarc `feizmuki~, sadac mTavari<br />
gmirebi erTmaneTs axal da moulodnel<br />
Tavgadasavals `gauziareben~.<br />
magram `aifofi~ `selapebs~<br />
(selfebs) mainc iRebs da swored<br />
amiT akvirveben warsulis mkvidrebs,<br />
visTvisac foto gaCerebuli<br />
sarkea, telefoni ki _ `eSmakis<br />
ficari~. am samefoSi mefobs erTi<br />
ucnauri da cota sasacilo mefe<br />
mzegrZeli (gia kenWoSvilis ironiiT<br />
naTamaSevi meore planis roli),<br />
romelsac aranakleb sasacilo saxlTuxucesi<br />
juanSeri (guram SukakiZe)<br />
da asuli mzevnaxe hyavs (sofo<br />
gogolaZe), romelsac jer siyvaruli<br />
ar ganucdia da romelsac,<br />
klasikuri zRapris sqemis mixedviT,<br />
swored sizmara unda Seuyvardes...<br />
magram siyvarulamde moulodnelad<br />
datyvevebulma da ormoSi<br />
gamomwyvdeulma sizmaram jer winaaRmdegobebiT<br />
savse gza unda gaiaros,<br />
raTa swored maTi gadalaxvis<br />
Semdeg SeZlos mefis asulis<br />
siyvaruli. amisTvis ki aRmosavle-<br />
Tis xelmwifis mier gamogzavnili<br />
N14 (<strong>275</strong>) 23.04-06.05.2019 w.<br />
sizmaras<br />
Wi-Fi<br />
mogzauroba awmyosa<br />
da warsulSi<br />
reJisorma revaz<br />
SatakiSvilma<br />
WiaTuris TeatrSi<br />
transformirebuli<br />
qarTuli zRapari<br />
gamoadno<br />
elCis (Tina miqautaZe) amocana<br />
unda amoxsnas _ gamogzavnili cxenebidan<br />
romelia deda, ufrosi,<br />
SuaTana da umcrosi kvici. Tu arada,<br />
aRmosavleTis mefe mefis asul<br />
mzevnaxes wayvaniT an omiTa da ganadgurebiT<br />
imuqreba... gasagebia,<br />
rom am gamocanas swored sizmara<br />
auRebs alRos da gamoicnobs kidec,<br />
raSic mas gamocdileba _ qar-<br />
Tuli xalxuri zRaprebis kargi<br />
codna exmareba.<br />
vidre sizmara amocana-gamocanebis<br />
amoxsnaSia, yoCaRi mela-mwvadika<br />
sasaxleSi gadamalul mfrinav<br />
xaliCas ipovis da sizmara, mefis<br />
asuli da Tavad mwvadika warsulidan<br />
momavalSi, anu Cvens dro-<br />
Si brundebian. fentez-zRapars,<br />
cxadia, optimisturi da zRapris<br />
Sesatyvisi finali eqneba _ omi<br />
aRar moxdeba, aRmosavleTis mefesa<br />
kiseri moegrixeba da sizmaras<br />
siyvarulic gaimajvebs.<br />
`sizmaras~ mTavari scenuri<br />
metaforaa giganturi gvirgvinis<br />
formis sasaxlis feradi galavani,<br />
romelsac mbrunav scenaze mravalgvari<br />
datvirTva aqvs _ xan Seuval<br />
cixedarbazadaa aRmarTuli, xan<br />
sasaxlis interierad warmogvidgeba.<br />
scena erTdroulad gantvirTulic<br />
Cans da datvrTulic,<br />
konkretuli asociaciebiT savsec<br />
da ganzogadebulic. reJisoris es<br />
xerxi raRaciT saopero reJisuras<br />
ufro mogvagonebs. aRmosavluri<br />
da qarTuli kostiumebis monacvleoba<br />
aseve iZleva abstraqciaganzogadebis<br />
saSualebas. piesisa<br />
da reJisoris cxadi mesijebi, miuxedavad<br />
warsul-momavalSi personaJebis<br />
cotaTi damabneveli mogzaurobisa,<br />
imedia, bavSvebisTvisac<br />
bolomde gasagebia... rasac<br />
speqtaklis finalSi maTi cocxali<br />
reaqciebi da taSi mowmobs.<br />
aucilebelia, ramdenime sityviT<br />
saintereso da sakmaod Wreli<br />
musikaluri gaformebis Sesaxebac<br />
iTqvas. reJisors gamoyenebuli<br />
aqvs fragmentebi nikoloz raWvelis<br />
`xorumidan~, aseve nawyvetebi<br />
viqtor doliZis operidan `qeTo<br />
da kote~ da ramdenime saunTreki<br />
cnobili Tanamedrive ucxouri<br />
teleserialebidan. erT-erTi kompozicia<br />
ki erekle gewaZem specialurad<br />
axali speqtaklisTvis dawera.<br />
revaz SatakiSvilis `sizmara~<br />
WiaTuris TeatrSi meeqvse da arc-<br />
Tu warumatebeli Serkinebaa scenur<br />
enaze rTulad mosaTvinierebel<br />
zRapris samyarosTan. manamde<br />
mas dadgmuli aqvs cnobili<br />
frangi scenaristis, Jan-klod<br />
karieris `ufliswuli da WeSmariteba~<br />
(rusTavelis Teatris eqsperimentuli<br />
scena), `sami goWi~ inglisuri<br />
folkloris motivebze,<br />
g. naxucriSvilis `komble~ da s.<br />
kozlovis `Talikos burvaki~ (zestafonis<br />
uSangi CxeiZis saxelobis<br />
Teatri), aseve `zRarbi nislSi~<br />
sergei kozlovis zRapris mixedviT<br />
(goris, giorgi erisTavs saxelobis<br />
Teatri).<br />
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mixeil basilaZe<br />
gagrZeleba. dasawyisi<br />
ix. `qronika+~ (2018w.)<br />
##3-27;29-39; (2019w.) #2-6;8-13.<br />
damfuZnebeli kreba<br />
1920 wlis 18 agvistos gazeTi<br />
`erToba~ gvauwyebs, rom 17 agvistodan<br />
saqarTvelos damfuZnebelma<br />
krebam, igive parlamentma, mu-<br />
Saoba SeaCera da Svebuleba gamoacxada.<br />
gazeTis pirvel gverdze<br />
damfuZnebeli krebis mier ukanaskneli<br />
Tvis manZilze gaweuli<br />
samuSaoa ganxiluli da CamoTvlilia<br />
is kanonebi da dekretebi, romelic<br />
deputatebma am xnis ganmavlobaSi<br />
miiRes.<br />
rogorc aRmoCnda, agvistoSi<br />
xalxis rCeulebma nayofierad imuSaves.<br />
gazeTis cnobiT, sxdomebi<br />
kviraSi oTxjer imarTeboda, rac<br />
kanonmdeblebis sakmaod intensiur<br />
grafikze miuTiTebda. yvelaze sayuradRebo<br />
ki 1920 wlis agvistoSi<br />
qveynis biujetis damtkiceba gamodga.<br />
es iyo damoukidebeli saqar-<br />
Tvelos pirveli biujeti.<br />
gazeTi `erToba~: `am xanSi<br />
mravali didmniSvnelovani kanoni<br />
da dekreti iyo miRebuli. maT Soris<br />
sakmaoa gavixsenoT iseTi pirvelxarisxovani<br />
kanoni, rogoric<br />
aris koleqtiuri xelSekruleba,<br />
romelic saZirkvelia muSaTa kanonmdeblobisa.<br />
sasoflo sameurneo<br />
aRmSeneblobaSi didi yuradRebis<br />
Rirsia is sameurneo-saskolo gegma,<br />
romelic warudgina damfuZnebel<br />
krebas miwaTmoqmedebis saministrom...<br />
ar gamovudgebiT mraval did<br />
mniSvnelovan dekretebis da SekiTxvebis<br />
aRnusxvas. movixsenebT<br />
mxolod im saqmes, romelic damfuZnebeli<br />
krebis yuradRebis centrSi<br />
idga ukanasknel TveSi. es iyo<br />
1919-1920 wlis biujeti. misi ganxilva<br />
miT ufro iyo Zlier sayuradRebo,<br />
rom saqarTvelos respublikam,<br />
romelic mxolod ori weliwadia<br />
arsebobs, moaxerxa Sedgena<br />
Tavis saxelmwifo-sameurneo<br />
gegmisa Tavis arsebobis meore<br />
welsve.<br />
marto es faqti ukve didi imedis<br />
aRmZvrelia. imedianobis kidev<br />
ufro dids sabuTs iZleva biujetis<br />
garSemo atexili kamaTis Tvalis<br />
gadavleba. opoziciam gamoiCina<br />
namdvili daundobloba. man<br />
sTqva yvelaferi is, ris Tqmac See-<br />
Zlo Cveni saxelmwifos wyobilebis<br />
Sesaxeb, usayvedura respublikis<br />
saTaveSi myofT yvelaferi,<br />
ris sayveduric SeiZleboda... wminda<br />
sindisiT vityviT: opoziciam<br />
ver aRmoaCina verc erTi iseTi nakli,<br />
romlis gamosworebis imedi<br />
ar hqondes saxelmwifos saTaveSi<br />
mdgom partias~.<br />
biujetis garda, saqarTvelos<br />
damfuZnebeli kreba kidev erT umniSvnelovanes<br />
dokumentze msjelobda,<br />
romelic qarTuli saxelmwifos<br />
fundaments warmoadgenda.<br />
saqarTvelos respublikis konstituciaze<br />
muSaoba ukve ramdenime weli<br />
mimdinareobda da 1920 weli, am<br />
mxriv, gadamwyveti iyo. gazeT `er-<br />
Tobis~ SefasebiT konstituciis SemuSaveba<br />
da Semdeg misi miReba damfuZnebeli<br />
krebisa da saerTod qa-<br />
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istoriis<br />
gamo Semcirda mosaxleobis ricxvi.<br />
1920 wlis<br />
abaSiZis gancxadebiT, aWaraSi sul<br />
190 aTasi adamiani cxovrobda.<br />
brZola prostituciasTan<br />
baTumSi<br />
rTuli politikuri klasis Ziri-<br />
Tad daniSnulebas warmoadgenda.<br />
gazeTis informaciiT am umniSvnelovanes<br />
dokumentze muSaobas<br />
damfuZnebeli kreba saSemodgomo<br />
sesiis gaxsnisTanave Seudgeboda.<br />
aWaris avtonomia<br />
rogorc gazeT `erTobis~ 5 agvistos<br />
nomerSi dabeWdili statiidan<br />
vigebT, TbilisSi memed-beg<br />
abaSiZis TavmjdomareobiT aWaris<br />
mejlisis delegacia Camovida. delegaciis<br />
stumrobis mizani saqar-<br />
Tvelos SemadgenlobaSi aWaris<br />
statusis gansazRvra warmoadgenda.<br />
jer kidev aWaris SemoerTebamde,<br />
saqarTvelos centralur xelisuflebasa<br />
da samuslimo saqarTvelos<br />
warmomadgenlebs Soris,<br />
Sedga SeTanxmeba, romlis mixedvi-<br />
Tac aWaras avtonomiuri statusi<br />
unda mieRo. samoqalaqo mmarTvelobis<br />
mosawesrigeblad da adgilobrivi<br />
mosaxleobis interesebis ga-<br />
TvaliswinebiT, damfuZnebel krebaSi<br />
unda momzadebuliyo kanonproeqti.<br />
demokratiuli arCevnebis<br />
safuZvelze aWaraSi avtonomiuri<br />
xelisufleba airCeoda. aseTi iyo<br />
gegma aWaris SemoerTebamde da es<br />
gegma igive darCa baTumis olqidan<br />
didi britaneTis gasvlis Semdegac.<br />
avtonomiis Temaze aWaris mejlisis<br />
delegaciis xelmZRvanelis,<br />
memed-beg abaSiZis mosazrebas<br />
gazeTi `erToba~ 5 agvistos nomer-<br />
Si beWdavs: `Cven avtonomia ise gvaqvs<br />
warmodgenili, rom is kiTxvebi,<br />
romlebic gareSe saqmeebs da<br />
finansur politikas Seexeba, agre-<br />
Tve samxedro mowyobilebas da im<br />
Sinagan saqmeebs, romlebsac saer-<br />
To saxelmwifoebrivi xasiaTi aqvT,<br />
unda gadaswyvitos centralurma<br />
kanonmdeblobiTma da aRmasrulebelma<br />
organoebma. is sakiTxebi ki,<br />
romlebsac olqisaTvis adgilobrivi<br />
xasiaTi aqvT, adgilobriv saxelmwifoebriv<br />
aparatis saSualebiT<br />
unda gairCes. adgilobriv pirobebTan<br />
SefardebiT unda gadaswydes<br />
agreTve agraruli sakiTxi...<br />
imedi maqvs, rom saqristiano da<br />
samuslimano saqarTvelos Soris<br />
sruli Tanxmoba Camovardeba da<br />
saqarTvelo da masTan erTad aWara<br />
ayvavdeba~.<br />
amave statiaSi gazeTi gvamcnobs,<br />
rom SemoerTebis Semdeg aWaraSi<br />
damakmayofilebeli mdgomareoba<br />
iyo. regionis sazRvrebTan<br />
marTalia, sxvadasxva bandis Tare-<br />
Si SeiniSneboda, magram am sakiTxs<br />
qarTveli muslimebi Tavad agvarebdnen<br />
da maT saqarTvelos sazRvrebSi<br />
ar uSvebdnen.<br />
memed-beg abaSiZis gancxadebiT,<br />
aWaris saqarTvelosTan SeerTebas<br />
ramdenime antiqarTuli Zala uSlida.<br />
maT Soris iyvnen: 1. axalgazrda<br />
Turqebis komiteti; 2. azerbaijaneli<br />
agentebi; 3. bolSevikebi,<br />
romlebic uzarmazar Tanxebs xarjavdnen<br />
propagandaze; 4. rusi moxaliseebi,<br />
romlebic denikinis davalebiT<br />
moqmedebdnen; 5. olqis rusuli<br />
administracia, romelic sruliad<br />
ucxo elementi iyo aWarisTvis.<br />
memed abaSiZis informaciiT,<br />
bolo periodSi gaizarda qarTvelTa<br />
emigracia regionidan da amis<br />
5 agvistos nomerSi gazeTi `er-<br />
Toba~ aWaris Sesaxeb kidev erT<br />
saintereso cnobas beWdavs, romelic<br />
prostitucias exeba. aWaris<br />
olqis sagangebo komisarma benia<br />
CxikviSvilma 4 agvistos specialuri<br />
brZanebuleba gamoaqveyna, romelic<br />
prostituciis akrZalvas da<br />
am saqmianobiT dakavebuli pirebis<br />
mkacr dasjas iTvaliswinebda:<br />
`komisarma CxikviSvilma brZaneba<br />
gasca yvela sazogado saxlis daxurvis<br />
Sesaxeb. sazogado saxlis<br />
yvela Semnaxvelni da prostitutkebi<br />
respublikidan unda ganidevnon.<br />
amaTgan isini, vinc saqarTvelos<br />
qveSevrdomebia, unda gaigzavnos<br />
etapiT mudmiv sacxovrebel<br />
adgilas da maTze unda dawesdes<br />
miliciis zedamxedveloba.<br />
Tu erTi kviris Semdeg aseTi<br />
piri qalaqSi aRmoCndeba, maSin is<br />
unda gaiyvanon iZulebiT samuSaoze:<br />
akerinon da arecxinon tomrebi,<br />
agvevinon quCebi da sxva. amisaTvis<br />
isini qalaqgareT yazarma-<br />
Si unda moaqcion da fulis magivrad<br />
miscen sazrdo. rodesac farul<br />
sazogado saxlis SemnaxvelT<br />
aRmoaCenen, maT daapatimreben da<br />
maTsave xarjze asazrdoeben.<br />
miliciis wevrebi unda awarmoebden<br />
aRniSnul pirTa registracias.<br />
sastumroebisa da saxlis<br />
patronebs im SemTxvevaSi, Tu es<br />
brZaneba ar Seasrules, gadaaxdevineben<br />
25 aTas maneT jarimas, saxls<br />
rekviziciiT waarTmeven da daapatimreben.<br />
brZaneba sisruleSi<br />
moyavT komisrebs. im SemTxvevaSi,<br />
Tu raionSi aseTi pirebi iqnebian<br />
aRmoCenilni, komisrebs samsaxuridan<br />
daiTxoven da daapatimreben~.<br />
qarTuli aviacia<br />
1920 wlis 2 agvistos Tbilisis<br />
gareubanSi, kerZod navTluRSi,<br />
damoukidebeli saqarTvelos istoriaSi<br />
pirvelad, saaviacio warmodgena<br />
gaimarTa. im periodis saqarTvelosTvis<br />
es metad uCveulo<br />
sanaxaoba gaxldaT. mTavrobis warmomadgenlebis,<br />
sapatio stumrebisa<br />
da ucxoeli diplomatebisTvis<br />
aerodromze sagangebo tribuna<br />
moawyves, romelic erovnuli bairaRebiTa<br />
da yvavilebiT iyo morTuli.<br />
navTluRSi saCvenebel frenebs<br />
mTavrobis Tavmjdomaris moadgile<br />
evgeni gegeWkori, samxedro<br />
ministri grigol lorTqifaniZe,<br />
saqarTvelos SeiaraRebuli Zalebis<br />
generaluri Stabis ufrosi zaqariaZe,<br />
generali andronikaSvili,<br />
gvardiis ufrosi valiko juReli<br />
eswrebodnen. safren moedanTan uamravi<br />
moqalaqe Seikriba. ukravda<br />
samxedro orkestri. irgvliv sazeimo<br />
da amaRlebuli ganwyoba sufevda.<br />
saaviacio Sous dawyebas yvela<br />
mouTmenlad eloda.<br />
saaviacio warmodgenaSi is<br />
mfrinavebi monawileobdnen, romlebmac<br />
sul cota xnis win war-<br />
CinebiT daasrules Tbilisis saaviacio<br />
saswavlebelis sruli kursi.<br />
es iyo qarTveli samxedro<br />
mfrinavebis pirveli gamoSveba.<br />
or rigad ganlagebulma 12-ma<br />
safrenma aparatma, musikisa da mayurebelTa<br />
SeZaxilebis TanxlebiT,<br />
asafreni biliki gaiara da erTmaneTis<br />
miyolebiT nel-nela caSi ai-<br />
Wra. naCvenebi iyo sxvadasxva sirTulis<br />
saaviacio ileTebi. maT Soris<br />
umaRlesi pilotaJis elementebic.<br />
am movlenis Sesaxeb gazeTi `er-<br />
Toba~ 5 agvistos nomerSi specialur<br />
reportaJs beWdavs: `frena 12<br />
aparatze swarmoebda. frena dilis<br />
5 saaTidan daiwyo. Semdeg Seasrules<br />
sahaero frenis rTuli<br />
figurebi. frenis dasasruls ev.<br />
gegeWkorma da gr. lorTqifaniZem<br />
saaviacio rotis komandiris movaleobis<br />
aRmsrulebels mayaSvils<br />
miuloces. saRamos gaimarTa vax-<br />
Sami, sadac mxurvale sityvebi warmosTqves<br />
da respublikis jars da<br />
xelmZRvanelebs keTildReoba da<br />
gamarjveba usurves~.<br />
1920 wels saqarTvelos mTavrobam<br />
saaviacio teqnikis Sesyidva<br />
daiwyo. samxedro uwyebam italiaSi<br />
saqarTvelosTvis 10 aeroplani Se-<br />
Zina. am TviTmfrinavebs ansaldos<br />
qarxanaSi awyobdnen, romelic cnobili<br />
iyo, rogorc msoflioSi yvelaze<br />
mowinave safreni aparatebis<br />
damamzadebeli. am aeroplanebis<br />
siCqare saaTSi 220 kilometrs aRwevda.<br />
TviTmfrinavebi aRWurvili<br />
iyo radiokavSiris mowyobilobiT,<br />
fotokameriT da saimedo ZraviT.<br />
Tavdapirvelad igegmeboda, rom<br />
aeroplanebs italiidan saqarTveloSi<br />
saaviacio skolis xelmZRvaneli<br />
maWavariani Camoiyvanda, magram<br />
rogorc Semdeg gairkva, axlad<br />
SeZenili TviTmfrinavebiT saqarTveloSi<br />
gadmofrena teqnikuri<br />
mizezebis gamo SeuZlebeli aRmo-<br />
Cnda. amitom isini daSales, yuTeb-<br />
Si Caawyves, gemze datvirTes da<br />
saqarTveloSi ise Camoitanes.<br />
gazeT `erTobis~ 1920 wlis agvistos<br />
nomrebSi aviaciis Sesaxeb<br />
kidev ramdenime informacias vxvdebiT.<br />
11 agvistos saRamos 7 saa-<br />
Tze, sacdeli frenis dros, daiRupa<br />
saaviacio aseulis xelmZRvaneli,<br />
maiori nikoloz mayaSvili.<br />
swored is mfrinavi, romelmac<br />
TviTmfrinavis virtuozuli mar-<br />
TvisTvis 2 agvistos saaviacio zeimze<br />
didi mowoneba daimsaxura. am<br />
ubeduri SemTxvevis Sesaxeb gaze-<br />
Ti `erToba~ 13 agvistos nomerSi<br />
mogviTxrobs: `maiori mayaSvili<br />
agvistos 11 daaxlovebiT 7 saaTze<br />
matoris gasasinjavaT gamofrinda<br />
`sopviCkemeli~-s sistemis inglisur<br />
gamanadgurebelze. igi afrinda<br />
haerodromze da sadgur nav-<br />
TluRis Tavze nakvTis gakeTebis<br />
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agvisto<br />
dros daaxlovebiT 25 metris simaRlidan<br />
Zirs Camovarda; wyosi<br />
wina nawiliT miwas daejaxa da daamsxvria,<br />
rogorc sCans, gansvenebulma<br />
yovelive Rone ixmara wyosis<br />
gadasarCenaT da mas Tavi Seswira.<br />
Tavdadebuli mfrinavi gamoitanes<br />
wyosis namsxvrevebidan; mas orive<br />
fexi da gulis ficari damtvreuli<br />
hqonda. is grZnobaze ar mosula<br />
da 5 wuTis Semdeg gardaicvala<br />
amxanagebis xelze~.<br />
aviakatastrofis dros daRupuli<br />
mfrinavi 14 agvistos didi<br />
pativiT dakrZales. mayaSvilis<br />
cxedari rusTavelis gamzirze<br />
samxedro taZarSi iyo dasvenebuli.<br />
panaSvids daeswrnen mTavrobis<br />
Tavmjdomaris moadgile evgeni<br />
gegeWkori, samxedro ministri grigol<br />
lorTqifaniZe, damfuZnebeli<br />
krebis wevrebi, mTavarsardali<br />
giorgi kvinitaZe da a. S. mayaSvili<br />
didubis sasaflaoze daasaflaves.<br />
gazeT `erTobis~ cnobiT, samgloviaro<br />
procesias saarmio da gvardiis<br />
nawilebi da artileriac mihyveboda.<br />
aviaciasTan dakavSirebuli ubeduri<br />
SemTxvevebi agvistoSi amiT<br />
ar dasrulebula. gazeTi `erToba~<br />
31 agvistos kidev erTi katastrofis<br />
Sesaxeb aqveynebs cnobas:<br />
`agvistos 28, dilis 6 saaTze, saswavlo<br />
frenis dros, samxedro<br />
mfrinavi leitenanti kiltava aparatTan<br />
erTad gamourkveveli<br />
mizezis gamo 20 metris simaRlidan<br />
Camovarda. Camovardnis dros<br />
mfrinavi mZimed daSavda. saRamos<br />
6 saaTze profesorma tixonoviCma<br />
fexi moaWra kiltavas. daaxlovebiT<br />
7 saaTze, sisxlis daqcevisa da<br />
saerTo sisustis gamo, kiltavam<br />
grZnoba dahkarga da gardaicvala.<br />
gardacvalebulma am mokle xanSi<br />
daasrula frenosnobis skola. igi<br />
didi niWiT iyo dajildovebuli.<br />
kiltavas sainJinro jarSi icnobden,<br />
rogorc saukeTeso aficers~.<br />
qolera da Tbilisis<br />
antisanitaria<br />
1920 wlis agvistoSi Tbilisis<br />
saavadmyofoebSi qoleris daavadebis<br />
niSnebis mqone sami moqalaqe<br />
miiyvanes, romelTagan ori mokle<br />
xanSi gardaicvala. rogorc gaze-<br />
Ti `erToba~ 11 agvistos nomerSi<br />
wers, samive SemTxvevaSi qolera im<br />
moqalaqeebs aRmoaCndaT, romlebic<br />
qalaqis mkvidri mcxovreblebi<br />
iyvnen. amis Sedegad gazeTi askvnda,<br />
rom qoleris daavadeba TbilisSi<br />
gaCnda da igi ar iyo sxva<br />
qveynidan Semotanili.<br />
qolerasTan sabrZolvelad<br />
qalaqis TviTmmarTvelobam Tbilisis<br />
biujetidan milioni maneTi<br />
gamoyo. Tumca, amave nomerSi gamoqveynebuli<br />
werilidan, romelic<br />
eqim lomaurs ekuTvnis, irkveva,<br />
rom es fuli, faqtobrivad, wyal-<br />
Si gadayrili iyo, radganac qalaqi<br />
katastroful sanitariul<br />
mdgomareobaSi imyofeboda.<br />
binZuri quCebi, sasmelad uvargisi,<br />
mRvrie wyali, devnilebiT<br />
gadatvirTuli qalaqi, umwvavesi<br />
sabinao krizisi, saSinel antisanitariaSi<br />
sursaTiT pirdapir quCeb-<br />
Si vaWroba. ubralod rom warmovidginoT,<br />
ra sibinZureSi cxovrobdnen<br />
im dros Tbiliselebi, eqim<br />
lomauris werilidan fragments<br />
moviyvanT: `msoflio omiT da<br />
dRevandeli ekonomiuri arev-dareviT<br />
Seqmnili Tfilisis ukiduresad<br />
antisanitaruli mdgomareoba<br />
aramc marto xolerisaTvis, bevri<br />
sxva gadamdebi senisaTvisac sauke-<br />
Teso niadagia. higienis moTxovnilebaTa<br />
TvalsazrisiT Tfilisis<br />
cxovrebis arc erTi mxare sul<br />
zerele kritikasac ki ver gauZlebs.<br />
ra saSinel mdgomareobaSia<br />
wylis sakiTxi es yvela moqalaqem<br />
kargad icis. uvargisi, mRvrie wyalic<br />
ki xSirad enatreba moqalaqes,<br />
radganac arsebuli wyalsadeni<br />
qalaqis moTxovnilebas naxevradac<br />
ki ar akmayofilebs. binis sakiTxi<br />
ufro mwvaveT dgas vidre wylisa.<br />
Tamamad SeiZleba iTqvas, rom moqalaqeTa<br />
20-30 procenti sruliad<br />
ubinaoT aris datovebuli. Zalian<br />
bevrs aucileblobis gamo sadRac<br />
nestian sardafebSi, derefnebSi, an<br />
visme sakuWnaoSi Seufarebia Tavi<br />
da ukidures siviwroveSi suls<br />
Zlivas iTqvams.<br />
Tfilisis saerTo usufTaoba<br />
yovelive zomas da warmodgenas<br />
aRemateba. dRes-dReobiT qalaqi<br />
Tavis sibinZuriT da WuWyiT osmaleTis<br />
mivardnil qalaqs mogvagonebs,<br />
sadac quCa, moedani da yovelive<br />
kuTxe sanagved da adamianis<br />
moTxovnilebaTa dasakmayofilebel<br />
adgiladaa gadaqceuli. dasarwmuneblad<br />
saWiroa naxva qalaqis<br />
moednebisa, ganapira quCebisa. xevebisa<br />
da baRebis, sadac xalxTan er-<br />
Tad auarebeli qeciani ZaRlebi,<br />
Rorebi da sxva oTxfexi sruliad<br />
Tavisuflad daiarebian da usufTaobas<br />
aorkeceben.<br />
sasmel-saWmelis sakiTxic usufTaobisa<br />
da falsifikaciis mxriv<br />
Zalian cud mdgomareobaSia. rac<br />
xdeba furneebSi, sasadiloebSi,<br />
saWmel-sanovagis maRaziebSi, sarZeveebSi<br />
da sxvagan, _ yvelam uwyis.<br />
kanalizacia cudia, asenizaciis<br />
mowyobileba qalaqs TiTqmis ara<br />
aqvs. erTi sityviT, qalaqis antisanitarul<br />
mdgomareobaze laparakis<br />
gagrZeleba metia. qalaqis ase-<br />
Ti umweo mdgomareoba sanitariis<br />
da higienis mxriT aris is noyieri<br />
niadagi, romelzedac aziidan Semotanilma<br />
senma xoleram aq CvenSi<br />
daibuda... am bolo wlebSi xolera<br />
CvenSi TiTqmis yovelTvis zafxuls<br />
Cndeba da auarebel zarals<br />
gvayenebs _ rogorc xalxis sicocxliT,<br />
ise qonebrivadac~.<br />
agvistos ganmavlobaSi gazeTi<br />
`erToba~ qolerasTan dakavSirebiT<br />
ramdenime statias beWdavs, romlis<br />
saSualebiTac mosaxleobas<br />
uxsnidnen, Tu rogor unda daecvaT<br />
Tavi avadmyofobisgan. moqalaqeebs<br />
mouwodebdnen gaekeTebinaT<br />
qoleris sawinaaRmdego acrebi,<br />
xSirad daebanaT xelebi, quCaSi ar<br />
eWamaT gaurecxavi xili, ar daeliaT<br />
gadauduRari wyali, daecvaT<br />
sanitariuli normebi sacxovrebel<br />
farTSi, kiris xsnariT daemuSavebinaT<br />
sapirfareSoebi da a. S.<br />
agvistos Sua ricxvebSi, gazeT-<br />
Si gamoCnda informacia, rom mosazRvre<br />
qveynebSi kidev erTi saSiSi<br />
daavadeba _ Savi Wiri gamoCnda da<br />
mosalodneli iyo Cvens qveyanaSi<br />
misi gavrcelebac. gazeTi `erTo-<br />
ba~ 25 agvisto: `sarwmuno wyaroebidan<br />
ityobinebian, rom saTaTreTis<br />
zogierT adgilebSi _ arzrumSi,<br />
konstantinopolSi da Savi<br />
zRvis pirad mdebare ramdensame<br />
qalaqSi Savi Wiri gaCenila da mcxovrebT<br />
did zarals ayenebs. es<br />
cnoba CvenTvisac friad samwuxaro<br />
ambavia. saTaTreTis aRniSnul<br />
qalaqebTan da Savi zRvis sanapiro<br />
bevr adgilebTan saqarTvelos respublikas<br />
mudam vaWroba-mimosvlis<br />
kavSiri aqvs da Tu mosazRvre<br />
saxelmwifoebSi Savi Wiri, xolera<br />
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Tu yvela saWiro zoma-saSualeba<br />
ar iqneba miRebuli~.<br />
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erTeuli SemTxvevebi iyo,<br />
xolo Savi Wiri saerTod ar dafiqsirebula.<br />
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mosaxleobas winaswar afrTxilebda<br />
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mokle ambebi<br />
28 agvistos gazeTi `erToba~<br />
saqarTvelos samxedro ministr<br />
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Tu xeliT, aramed uSveri ginebiT<br />
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vagebineb ara marto pirdapir damnaSaves,<br />
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umzgavsobas~.<br />
rkinigzaze kvlav yaCaRuri Tavdasxma<br />
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Tobis~ 4 agvistos nomerSi dabeWdilia<br />
cnoba, rom pirvel agvistos<br />
baTumidan gamosuli samgzavro matarebeli<br />
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Soris gaZarcves. rogorc irkveva,<br />
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dauWeriaT, romelic aRmoCnda<br />
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sxvebis dasaWeraTac~.<br />
saqarTveloSi ruseTis saelCo<br />
ityobineboda, rom 29 ivliss sadgur<br />
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kavkavidan (dRevandeli vladikavkazi)<br />
somxeTSi miemarTeboda.<br />
cnobaSi ar weria, Tu ra viTareba-<br />
Si gardaicvala Sikriki. gazeTi<br />
mxolod imas iuwyeba, rom kesleris<br />
gardacvalebasTan dakavSirebiT<br />
saqarTvelos mTavrobam prokuraturas<br />
yvela garemoebis dawvrilebiT<br />
gamoiZieba daavala.<br />
7 agvistos informaciiT TbilisSi,<br />
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qarTveli mxatvris, mose ToiZis<br />
sacxovrebeli saxli. rogorc cnobidan<br />
Cans, Zarcvis dros mxatvari<br />
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nivTi, romelTa Rirebulebac<br />
150 aTas maneTs aWarbebda.<br />
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iCivles, rom armiis zogier-<br />
Ti oficeri Tavisi piradi saWiroebisTvis<br />
iyenebda saxelmwifos ku-<br />
Tvnil etlebsa da avtomobilebs<br />
da qalaqis quCebSi SezarxoSebulebi<br />
dahqrodnen. mouravma es yovelive<br />
sajariso nawilis xelmZRvanelobas<br />
acnoba, romelmac, Tavis<br />
mxriv, wesrigis damrRvevi oficrebis<br />
mimarT sastiki zomebis gatarebis<br />
piroba dado.<br />
ucnauri cnoba daibeWda gazeT<br />
`erTobis~ 20 agvistos nomerSi,<br />
saidanac irkveva, rom fostaSi nisiad<br />
werilebis gagzavna SeiZleboda:<br />
`samxedro ministris moxsenebis<br />
Tanaxmad, mTavrobam daadgina:<br />
fosta-telegrafis uwyebam miiRos<br />
depeSebi jaris nawilebis ufrosebisagan<br />
nisiaT, im pirobiT, rom depeSebis<br />
gasagzavni saTanado fuli<br />
Semdeg gadaixados samxedro uwyebis<br />
sameurneo komitetma~.<br />
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`hiustoni~ saCempiono rbolis<br />
daskvniT etaps brwyinvale forma-<br />
Si Sexvda. teqsaselebma `iuta~ sakuTar<br />
kedlebSi meoredac daamarcxes,<br />
Tanac ise martivad, rom maspinZlebs<br />
sasurveli Sedegis Sansic<br />
ar hqoniaT.<br />
maik dentonis gundis warmatebaSi<br />
lomis wili jeims hardens miuZRvis.<br />
29 wlis msrolelma mcvelma<br />
isev gaibrwyina da meore Sexvedra<br />
32 quliT, 13 moxsniTa da 10<br />
Sedegiani gadacemiT daasrula.<br />
`iutasTan~ matCi wvera hardenisTvis<br />
gansakuTrebuli gamodga.<br />
is im elitur kompanias SeuerTda<br />
da NBA-is istoriaSi meeqvse kalaTburTeli<br />
gaxda, romelmac fleiofebSi<br />
30-quliani sammagi dubli,<br />
minimum, orjer gaakeTa.<br />
`hiustonis~ lideris garda msgavsi<br />
Sedegi rasel uestbruks, lebron<br />
jeimss, Carlz barklis, uilt<br />
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aqvT dafiqsirebuli.<br />
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Rmdeg `hiustonma~ sawyis 24 wuT-<br />
Si 13 samquliani moaTavsa, rac nacionaluri<br />
sakalaTburTo asociaciis<br />
rekordia.<br />
erTi safleiofo miRwevac `golden<br />
steitis~ kevin durantis angariSzea.<br />
los-anjelesTan man 38<br />
qula Caagdo.<br />
2014 wlis regularuli sezonis<br />
MVP-m am matCis Semdeg flei ofeb-<br />
Si Cagdebuli qulebis karieruli<br />
raodeobiT 3738-s (27.3 saSualod<br />
erT matCSi) uwia da istoriaSi me-<br />
14 gaxda. am SedegiT bolo ori<br />
sezonis Cempionma legendarul mejiq<br />
jonsons gadaaswro.<br />
axla duranti yvelaze axlos<br />
hakim olajounis SedegTanaa (3755),<br />
xolo moqmedi kalaTburTelebidan<br />
mxolod ors _ toni parkers (4005)<br />
da lebron jeimss (6911) CamorCeba.<br />
flei ofSi ki verc erTi moxvda.<br />
rekorduli<br />
NBA<br />
poCetino - fexburTis di kaprio<br />
CempionTa ligis meoTxedfinalSi,<br />
`sitis~ damarcxebis Semdeg,<br />
mxolod morigi talRa agorda,<br />
Torem `totenhemis~ argentinel<br />
damrigebels pativiscema da aRiareba<br />
arc manamde aklda. mauricio<br />
poCetinom sakuTar TavSi TiTqos<br />
yvela saukeTeso samwvrTnelo<br />
Tviseba gaaerTiana: marselo bielsas<br />
filosofia, aleqs fergiusonis<br />
menejeruli talanti, arsen vengeris<br />
romantika, karlo anCelotis<br />
fexburTelebTan kontaqtis<br />
niWi, antonio kontes emociuroba.<br />
misi `totenhemi~ regularulad<br />
TamaSobs CempionTa ligaSi, meoremesame<br />
adgilebs ikavebs premierl-<br />
igaSi, magram gadamwyvet momenteb-<br />
Si mokle saTadarigoTa skami iCens<br />
xolme Tavs da titulic sxvas rCeba.<br />
metismetad wuwuraqi kacia<br />
klubis prezidenti daniel levi.<br />
bolo weliwadnaxevarSi poCetinom<br />
mxolod lukas moura daimata 25<br />
milionad. sxva premierliguri<br />
klubebis fonze aSkarad sasacilo<br />
xarjia, magram poCetinos mainc<br />
gamosdis.<br />
ramdeni axalgazrda fexburTeli<br />
iqca mis xelSi varskvlavad? gana<br />
man ar gaacno yvelas dele ali<br />
an manve ar aqcia top-fleimeiqerad<br />
kristian eriqseni? erTi maRariCi<br />
poCetinos iurgen klopmac unda<br />
ukisros _ `sauThemptonSi~ misi<br />
gamozrdilebi arian deian lovreni<br />
da sadio mane. aRarafers vambobT<br />
imaze, rom `totenhemi~ inglisis nakrebis<br />
sabazo gundad iqca.<br />
`Cven misTvis vibrZolebT~, _<br />
ambobs mauricios Sesaxeb gundis<br />
brilianti, hari keini. mTeli saidumlo<br />
fexburTelebTan urTier-<br />
TobaSia. roca deni rouzs biZa<br />
daeRupa, rogor fiqrobT, vis daureka?<br />
_ mwvrTnels. poCetinom yvelaferi<br />
gadado da saxlSi miakiTxa<br />
TanagrZnobis gamosaxatad. raRa<br />
damatebiTi motivacia sWirdeba<br />
rouzs, rom poCetinos gulisTvis<br />
bolomde daixarjos?!<br />
mauriciosTvis umniSvnelo<br />
detali ar arsebobs, roca saqme<br />
gundSi Seqmnil atmosferos exeba.<br />
amboben, gansakuTrebul yuradRebas<br />
aqcevs sarecx fxvnils,<br />
romliTac fexburTelebis formebi<br />
irecxeba _ gasaxdelSi sisuf-<br />
Tavis sasiamovno aromati unda<br />
trialebdeso.<br />
mauricio poCetino raRaciT<br />
leonardo di kaprios hgavs. masac<br />
hqonda genialuri rolebi, dafaseba,<br />
honorarebi, magram Zalian did<br />
xani eloda `oskars~. bolos da<br />
bolos, miiRo. mauriciomac unda<br />
miiRos misi wili `oskari~, magram<br />
rodis? iqneb, welsve?<br />
38<br />
jeison stethemi da<br />
seulis olimpiada<br />
cotam Tu icis, rom msoflio donis kinovarskvlavi,<br />
jeison stethemi, Tavis droze, profesionali<br />
wyalSi mxtomeli iyo da britaneTis nakrebis wevric<br />
gaxldaT. yvelaferi ki inglisis miyruebul qalaq<br />
grei-iarmutSi daiwyo.<br />
jeisonis ufrosi Zmebi kriviT da tanvarjiSiT<br />
iyvnen gatacebulni da erTi xanoba imaT ahyva, magram<br />
savarjiSo `msxlis~ roli ar moswonda da guli<br />
aicrua. axali etapi maSin daiwyo, roca mSoblebTan<br />
erTad maiamiSi yofnisas pirvelad naxa tramplinidan<br />
wyalSi mxtomelebis varjiSi. jeisoni profesiulad<br />
dakavda sportis am saxeobiT. Zalian gaumarTla, rom<br />
mwvrTnel kim uaitTan megobrobda. WabukTa nakreb-<br />
Si rom daniSnes, kimma jeisonic Tan gaiyola, mere ki<br />
sulac erovnul nakrebSic dauZaxa.<br />
1990 wels jeisoni moskovur turnir `gazafxulis<br />
mercxlebSi~ monawileobda da morcxvad iTxova<br />
ssrk-is varskvlavur nakrebTan fotos gadaReba... ise,<br />
sainteresoa, ician Tu ara im wyalSi mxtomelebma,<br />
rom, Tavis droze, holivudis momaval varskvlavTan<br />
gadaiRes foto?!<br />
stethemisgan didi Cempioni ver gamovida. mis<br />
biografiaSi ki amoikiTxavT, rom seulis 1988 wlis<br />
olimpiadis monawile iyoo, magram amaze Tavad msaxiobs<br />
ecineba. misi yvelaze didi miRweva axal zelandiaSi<br />
gamarTul Tanamegobrobis TamaSebze metriani<br />
tramplinidan dakavebuli merve adgilia.<br />
mere ki iyo sportze gulis acrueba, gai riCis<br />
filmebiT dawyebuli da mere holivudSi gagrZelebuli<br />
kariera. jeisoni RimiliT ambobs, wyalSi xtomaSi<br />
Zalian cota fuli iyo, Torem imdenad miyvarda,<br />
arasodes davTmobdio.<br />
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TIME da mo salahi<br />
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serenam jadoqars uxmo<br />
amerikulma TIME-ma 2019 wlis 100 yvelaze gavleniani adamiani<br />
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CamonaTvalSi araerTi didebuli sportsmeni moxvda. magaliTad:<br />
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si. Tumca sainteresoa, rom siaSi erTaderTi mamakaci fexburTelia<br />
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aseulSi kidev erTi fexburTelia, oRond amerikis qalTa nakre-<br />
bis wevri aleqs morgani.<br />
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jonsoni, momRerali teilor svifti, CogburTeli naomi osaka da<br />
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mohamed salahisTvis 2018 weli gansakuTrebuli iyo. egviptis<br />
nakrebis lideri premierligis saukeTeso bombardiri da rekords-<br />
meni, aseve CempionTa ligis finalisti gaxda. 26 wlis fexburTeli<br />
`oqros burTis~ gamokiTxvaSi saukeTeso sameulSic moxvda.<br />
am sezonSi salahs yvela turnirze 22 goli aqvs gatanili, aqedan<br />
19 premierligaSi, riTac bombardirTa davaSi liderobas serxio<br />
aguerosTan inawilebs.<br />
iuventusi-aiaqsis<br />
yalbi msaji<br />
wina kviris kortsmiRma saCogburTo siaxleebidan<br />
mTavari: CogburTis legenda serena uiliamsma<br />
kalaTburTis jadoqars daxmareba sTxova. mejiq<br />
jonsonma amis Sesaxeb Tavad ganacxada: `serenam damireka<br />
da mkiTxa, xom ar davTanxmdebodi mis mentorobas,<br />
mis mrCevelTa sabWoSi Sesvlas. daufiqreblad<br />
davTanxmdi~.<br />
mejiqi `leikersis~ prezidentis postze aT milion<br />
dolaramde wliur jamagirs iRebda, magram ori<br />
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raSi unda waadges kalaTburTelis rCevebi CogburTels?<br />
bunebrivia, serenas mwvrTnelebi ar aklia,<br />
mas ufro mentaluri daxmareba sWirdeba. Svilis<br />
gaCenis Semdeg serenas filtvebis seriozuli<br />
problema Seeqmna da TiTqos Tavdajereba dakarga.<br />
arada, 37 wlis serena, vidre 24 slemtituli ar mougrovdeba,<br />
kortidan ar midis. aq dasWirdeba mas<br />
mejiqis gamocdileba, romelsac 1990 wels Sidsis<br />
diagnozi dausves da guSindel supervarskvlavs<br />
yvelam zurgi aqcia. maSin mejiqi mixvda, rom kerZo<br />
biznesi erTaderTi gamosavali iyo da sainvesticio<br />
fondi Seqmna. fondi dRemde warmatebulad<br />
funqcionirebs.<br />
investiciebi serenasa da mejiqis kidev erTi<br />
saerTo interesi aRmoCnda. serenam aRiara, rom jer<br />
kidev 2014 wlidan aqvs sainvesticio fondi da<br />
ocamde kompaniasTan TanamSromlobs.<br />
amboben, niWieri adamiani yvelaferSi niWieriao.<br />
Tu am oris zeniWiT vimsjelebT, biznesSic gadadgamen<br />
mTebs.<br />
kleman tiurpeni safexburTo msajebis samyaroSi xelwamosakravi figura<br />
namdvilad ar aris. 36 wlis frangma wina kviraSi CempionTa ligis<br />
`iuventusi~-`aiaqsi~ (1:2) gansaja.<br />
wina kviraSive musie tiurpeni narkoskandalSi gaexvia. policiam safrangeTsa<br />
da belgias Soris narkotranzitis sqema gaSifra.<br />
ramdenime avtomobils Soris erT-erTi kleman tiurpenze iyo<br />
gaformebuli. sabuTebSi klemanis dabadebis weli sworad, Tve da ricxvi<br />
ki SecdomiT iyo miTiTebuli. ar emTxveoda fotoc. swored am fotos<br />
daxmarebiT daapatimres yalbi kleman turpeni, romelsac manqanaSi<br />
saraketo danadgari, snaiperuli SaSxana, avtomatebi, fuli da 1.2 milion<br />
evrod Rirebuli saaTi aRmouCines.<br />
ratom, mainc da mainc, safexburTo arbitris gvar-saxeli? etyoba,<br />
bandis meTauri fexburTis seriozuli fania, radgan marixuanis samalavebs<br />
`kilien mbapeTi~ niSnavdnen.<br />
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ramosi davinCis tiloze<br />
Amazon-i serxio ramosze films iRebs,<br />
`markam~ ki filmis Sesaxeb meti detali gamoarkvia.<br />
gairkva, rom is rva damoukidebeli<br />
epizodisgan Sedgeba da madridis `realis~<br />
kapitnis cxovrebas aRwers rogorc moedanze,<br />
aseve mis gareT. dokumenturi Janris<br />
naSromSi mravlad iqneba interviuebi ramosis<br />
megobrebTan da naTesavebTan, romlebic<br />
mTavari gmiris Sesaxeb ilaparakeben da misi<br />
cxovrebis epizodebs gaixseneben. filmSi<br />
bevri kadri ramosis saxlSia gadaRebuli.<br />
gamocema El Confidencial wers, rom ramosi<br />
warmoaCens naxatebis koleqcias, romelTa<br />
Soris aris leonardo davinCis cnobili<br />
`saidumlo serobis~ asli, oRond Tavisufali<br />
interpretaciiT. kerZod, ramosis misaReb<br />
oTaxSi dakidebul tiloze qristes<br />
saxes kargad Tu daakvirdebiT, `realis~<br />
kapitans amoicnobT. imave naxatze erT-erT<br />
mociqulSi iolad SeicnobT ramosis Tanagundel<br />
marselos. iqvea ramosis sami Svilis<br />
dedisa da megobris (oficialurad coli<br />
ar aris da amitomac meuRles ar vwerT),<br />
pilar rubios gamosaxulebac. filmSi moTxrobilia<br />
andaluzieli varskvlavis memkvidreobisa<br />
da sviringebis Sesaxebac.<br />
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reklama CanarTis saxiT:<br />
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A4 4 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 300 lari;<br />
mis.: gudauris 7; 599 19 19 10 (Savlego cixelaSvili)<br />
afiSa<br />
jadosnuri parki<br />
amirani<br />
12:30; 14:45; 17:30<br />
kavea galeria<br />
12:45; 15:00<br />
kavea Tbilisi moli<br />
11:50; 15:30; 17:45<br />
kavea isT foinTi<br />
12:10; 14:20; 17:00<br />
Sazami<br />
amirani<br />
19:45<br />
kavea galeria<br />
16:30; 17:00; 22:30<br />
kavea Tbilisi moli<br />
12:30; 14:00; 22:15<br />
kavea isT foinTi<br />
11:50; 19:30; 21:45; 22:30<br />
dambo<br />
amirani<br />
11:45; 14:00; 17:00<br />
kavea galeria<br />
11:50; 12:00; 14:45; 17:15; 19:30<br />
kavea Tbilisi moli<br />
12:00; 14:30; 17:00<br />
kavea isT foinTi<br />
12:30; 15:15; 18:00; 19:15<br />
1 aSS dolari<br />
2.6975<br />
1 evro<br />
3.0347<br />
1 girvanqa sterlingi<br />
3.5041<br />
1 Sveicaruli franki<br />
2.6584<br />
100 rusuli rubli<br />
4.2277<br />
amindi<br />
samSabaTi<br />
oTxSabaTi<br />
xuTSabaTi<br />
paraskevi<br />
SabaTi<br />
kvira<br />
orSabaTi<br />
Tbilisi<br />
14-16 0<br />
16-18 0<br />
15-17 0<br />
16-19 0<br />
17-20 0<br />
20-22 0<br />
21-23 0<br />
quTaisi<br />
11-13 0<br />
15-17 0<br />
16-18 0<br />
22-24 0<br />
24-26 0<br />
25-27 0<br />
24-26 0<br />
baTumi<br />
12-14 0<br />
15-16 0<br />
16-19 0<br />
15-17 0<br />
19-21 0<br />
23-25 0<br />
21-23 0<br />
zugdidi<br />
12-13 0<br />
16-18 0<br />
15-18 0<br />
20-22 0<br />
25-27 0<br />
26-30 0<br />
24-26 0<br />
gori<br />
10-12 0<br />
13-15 0<br />
14-17 0<br />
15-16 0<br />
17-20 0<br />
18-20 0<br />
19-22 0<br />
Telavi<br />
14-16 0<br />
16-19 0<br />
17-20 0<br />
18-21 0<br />
20-23 0<br />
22-24 0<br />
23-25 0<br />
foTi<br />
12-14 0<br />
15-17 0<br />
16-18 0<br />
17-19 0<br />
18-20 0<br />
22-23 0<br />
21-23 0<br />
40<br />
saredaqcio kolegia<br />
yvela ufleba daculia;<br />
`qronika+~-Si gamoqveynebuli<br />
masalebis nebismieri saxiT<br />
gamoyeneba da gavrceleba<br />
redaqciasTan SeuTanxmeblad<br />
akrZalulia!<br />
gazeTSi R niSniT gamoqveynebul<br />
masalebs aqvT sareklamo<br />
xasiaTi; maTSi gamoxatuli pozicia<br />
SeiZleba ar daemTxves<br />
redaqciis Sexedulebas.<br />
mTavari redaqtori eliso kilaZe (599 17 12 12)<br />
rostiaSvili Tamar 577 10 07 06<br />
SatakiSvili rezo 597 94 42 50<br />
mosiaSvili maka 599 97 25 55<br />
injgia nene 591 71 39 98<br />
sakaruli giorgi 555 42 42 90<br />
qemokliZe levan 593 16 01 40<br />
vaSaymaZe xviCa 599 22 82 89<br />
laRaZe Sorena 557 56 23 66<br />
deviZe daviT<br />
stilisti rusudan quTaTelaZe;<br />
redaqciis misamarTi:<br />
Tbilisi, gudauris N3,<br />
pirveli sarTuli, bina 4;<br />
tel.: 294 69 77;<br />
sareklamo ganyofileba,<br />
gavrcelebis samsaxuri<br />
Savlego cixelaSvili 599 19 19 10<br />
gazeTi ibeWdeba stambaSi `tori~<br />
ISSN 2346-8025<br />
294 69 77;<br />
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